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degan/kaito 1103
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Can anyone tell me who actually makes the degan/kaito 1103 please. I always thought it was Tecsun, am I right? thanks voyager I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html |
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M Peraaho schrieb:
Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see: www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp They only share the same office for overseas business, but the headquarters are located in different towns: http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks, however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things getting done by hand). Stephan -- Home: http://stephan.win31.de/ Team Mostly Harmless |
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On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass
wrote: M Peraaho schrieb: Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see: www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp They only share the same office for overseas business, but the headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks, however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things getting done by hand). Stephan -- Home:http://stephan.win31.de/ Team Mostly Harmless Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by keeping them occupied. The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it. Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados. SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have been mad, but he always had a method behind it. |
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On 8 7 , 11 52 , American Insurgent wrote:
On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass wrote: M Peraaho schrieb: Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see: www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp They only share the same office for overseas business, but the headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks, however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things getting done by hand). Stephan -- Home:http://stephan.win31.de/ Team Mostly Harmless Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by keeping them occupied. The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it. Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados. SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have been mad, but he always had a method behind it.- - - - I am posting some picutres here which were taken in Tecsun factory last month, you could see the factory yourself and make a judgement whether Tecsun is like you described as the communist brute force factory. http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2221197270.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...1521691803.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2242227344.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2245826600.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2253322787.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2226860594.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2264546356.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2272576291.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2283179655.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2229491433.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2114286435.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2125420267.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2141068775.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2155352688.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2185938669.JPG http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2215735444.JPG What you described would be true 30 years ago, things have changed so much in those 30 years. I am so suprised there is still people believing all these crapy propaganda against communist China. |
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On 7 Aug, 04:52, American Insurgent wrote:
On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass wrote: M Peraaho schrieb: Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see: www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp They only share the same office for overseas business, but the headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks, however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things getting done by hand). Stephan -- Home:http://stephan.win31.de/ Team Mostly Harmless Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by keeping them occupied. The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it. Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados. SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have been mad, but he always had a method behind it. I rather like CRI; much better than the vast majority of American SW stations I receive which are always sod-awful Christian ones. I once answered a request from one of these to provide a reception report and now am bombarded with ridiculous begging emails from them. Can't see CRI doing this to mailbox respondents. To me it is clear which continent is trying hardest to 'convert listeners to its point of view'. And long live the DE1103! |
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On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass
wrote: M Peraaho schrieb: Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see: www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp They only share the same office for overseas business, but the headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks, however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things getting done by hand). Stephan -- Home:http://stephan.win31.de/ Team Mostly Harmless SG - It would simply appear that Degen uses the Tecsun Offices in Hong Hong as their Export Agent and for Overseas Customer Support. ~ RHF |
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On Aug 7, 2:21 am, " wrote:
On 8 7 , 11 52 , American Insurgent wrote: On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass wrote: M Peraaho schrieb: Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see: www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp They only share the same office for overseas business, but the headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks, however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things getting done by hand). Stephan -- Home:http://stephan.win31.de/ Team Mostly Harmless Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by keeping them occupied. The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it. Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados. SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have been mad, but he always had a method behind it.- - - - I am posting some picutres here which were taken in Tecsun factory last month, you could see the factory yourself and make a judgement whether Tecsun is like you described as the communist brute force factory. http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2215735444.JPG What you described would be true 30 years ago, things have changed so much in those 30 years. I am so suprised there is still people believing all these crapy propaganda against communist China.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - SPWAN9, Nice Photos an it has been "The People's Republic of China" -or- China (PRC) ever since Nixon and Kissinger in 1972 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/pub...inger/nixzhou/ Sino-US Reapproachment is History ~ RHF |
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On Aug 3, 5:07 pm, "voyager2007" wrote:
Hi Can anyone tell me who actually makes the degan/kaito 1103 please. I always thought it was Tecsun, am I right? thanks voyager I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html There is an entity called Degen with offices in Shenzen that claims to design and manufacture a variety of products. Whether thay actually manufacture all component parts from scratch or assemble them is probably an open question. From what I've read Degen markets it's products through Tecsun Hong Kong. Whether Degen is a western style subsidiary of Tecsun or whether there is cross ownership of the two companies or whether they are tied in through other corporate entities is not apparent from the information I've read. |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:58:19 -0700, Roadie wrote:
On Aug 3, 5:07 pm, "voyager2007" wrote: Hi Can anyone tell me who actually makes the degan/kaito 1103 please. I always thought it was Tecsun, am I right? thanks voyager I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html There is an entity called Degen with offices in Shenzen that claims to design and manufacture a variety of products. Whether thay actually manufacture all component parts from scratch or assemble them is probably an open question. From what I've read Degen markets it's products through Tecsun Hong Kong. Whether Degen is a western style subsidiary of Tecsun or whether there is cross ownership of the two companies or whether they are tied in through other corporate entities is not apparent from the information I've read. Does it really matter? If my Degen 1103 works perfectly well... and is supposedly/presumably the same as the Kaito 1103... should I be aware (or gasp, worried) that Tecsun makes it/them? In North America, department stores market electonics/appliances under their own brand names that are manufactured by someone else (whose name is generally kept obscured). The Degen name apparently cannot be marketed outside China because of some sort of German brand conflict. So wot's the Big Deal? I sense an American "Red Baiting" scare in the earlier part of the thread. In which case, as most posters here are presumably male, please go look at where the gotchies cupping yer balls are made... probably China. |
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Duncan wrote at 07.08.07 about " degan/kaito 1103" in in . com:
I rather like CRI; To me it is clear which continent is trying hardest to 'convert listeners to its point of view'. And to me it is clear, that I not trust CRI and other chinese media as long as China jams foreign radio stations like BBC, VOA or Voice of Tibet. A state, who blocks the availbility of foreign media for its own citizens, has much informations and opinions to hide. With greetings from Germany Andreas |
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On Aug 12, 5:00 am, Andreas Nitschke wrote:
Duncan wrote at 07.08.07 about " degan/kaito 1103" in in . com: I rather like CRI; To me it is clear which continent is trying hardest to 'convert listeners to its point of view'. And to me it is clear, that I not trust CRI and other chinese media as long as China jams foreign radio stations like BBC, VOA or Voice of Tibet. A state, who blocks the availbility of foreign media for its own citizens, has much informations and opinions to hide. With greetings from Germany Andreas To be precise, the Chinese are jamming Radio Free Asia, a US propaganda station. RFA is similar to the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty station that operated during the Soviet era. I personally find CRI dull. Most stories are China-specific, and the few international news stories presented are done with a slant that makes them boring. At least Cuba has an interesting perspective, and a good selection of news that tends to be ignored by everybody else. The Chinese have plenty of money, and CRI is simply the overseas service of CPBS/CNR, so comparing them to American stations is not fair. American stuff is absolute bottom of the barrel-mostly offbeat religion and various weirdos with an ax to grind against the government. The stations don't have government resources behind them, so they're constantly in a desperate race to keep ahead of the power company and keep the juice on. Thus the constant begging. Anybody with altruistic motives quickly gets hammered by the money issue, and either gives up or becomes a slave to whoever will pay them. This happened to Allan Weiner, who wanted to be a legal pirate and instead became just another kook station trying to stay afloat. The only station that makes it work is WWCR, which seems to be doing ok, and the single source of income stations like Family Radio. Other than that, there's very little market. |
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