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3 Killed In Missouri. Church Shooting
How many more tragedies am I going to have to post before you contact
your Senator and Congressman to demand immediate action? As I've pleaded repeatedly for IT'S TIME TO END THE INSANITY AND CONFISCATE GUNS! Guns have no place in a civilized society. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! A.W.S. President Gay, Lesbian, Transgendered Shortwave Club NEOSHO, Mo. - A gunman opened fire in the sanctuary of a southwest Missouri church Sunday, killing three people and wounding several others, a city spokeswoman said. About 25 to 50 people were briefly held hostage at the First Congregational Church until the gunman surrendered, Neosho spokeswoman Desiree Bridges said. Fewer than 10 people were also shot and wounded, Bridges said. The shooter was being held at the Newton County Jail, but police were not releasing any information about him. Bridges said he was related to someone in the church, but declined to elaborate. Bridges said the shooter had three firearms, but wouldn't say what type. The shooting followed the 1 p.m. service. |
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3 Killed In Missouri. Church Shooting
On Aug 12, 5:54 pm, wrote:
How many more tragedies am I going to have to post before you contact your Senator and Congressman to demand immediate action? As I've pleaded repeatedly for IT'S TIME TO END THE INSANITY AND CONFISCATE GUNS! Guns have no place in a civilized society. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! A.W.S. President Gay, Lesbian, Transgendered Shortwave Club NEOSHO, Mo. - A gunman opened fire in the sanctuary of a southwest Missouri church Sunday, killing three people and wounding several others, a city spokeswoman said. About 25 to 50 people were briefly held hostage at the First Congregational Church until the gunman surrendered, Neosho spokeswoman Desiree Bridges said. Fewer than 10 people were also shot and wounded, Bridges said. The shooter was being held at the Newton County Jail, but police were not releasing any information about him. Bridges said he was related to someone in the church, but declined to elaborate. Bridges said the shooter had three firearms, but wouldn't say what type. The shooting followed the 1 p.m. service. And if just one of those church people had been carrying a gun - this would have been over a lot quicker and with a lot less loss of life.!!! In the area I live in, the mayor just ran a big gun collection. Got loads of weapons. But there are still shootings and killings and the gang's are still strong -- so who did the gun collection help?? |
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3 Killed In Missouri. Church Shooting
Guns don't kill, people do.Outlaw people!
cuhulin |
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On Aug 12, 4:46 pm, dxAce wrote:
wrote: How many more tragedies am I going to have to post before you contact your Senator and Congressman to demand immediate action? As I've pleaded repeatedly for IT'S TIME TO END THE INSANITY AND CONFISCATE GUNS! Guns have no place in a civilized society. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! If some of those folks had been carrying guns they might have taken the shooter out after or even before they had killed one, let alone three people. Pull your head out of your ass. DX Ace, Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria : Dave McCracken, Neosho Police Chief is attributed to this statement : "The gunman had two small-caliber handguns and one 9 mm semi-automatic machine pistol with a large magazine," McCracken said. OMG - It's a Killing Machine ! - 9mm Semi-Automatic "Machine" {Machine Gun} Pistol with a LARGE Magazine. * Another Liberal Media Distortion About Guns. Most members of the Anti-Gun Political Cadre believe that the use of anything greater then the old Six-Shot 38 Police Revolver is Police Brutality and any 9mm Semi-Auto with a 10-13 Round Clip is a Weapon of War. Smith & Wesson M&P Standard 9mm Pistol http://www.gunslot.com/guns/smith-we...p-standard-9mm That's "M&P" as in Military and Police. I Believe It Is The Right {and Duty} Of Each And Every America Citizen To BEAR ARMS [.] ~ RHF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_bear_arms |
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RHF wrote:
On Aug 12, 4:46 pm, dxAce wrote: wrote: How many more tragedies am I going to have to post before you contact your Senator and Congressman to demand immediate action? As I've pleaded repeatedly for IT'S TIME TO END THE INSANITY AND CONFISCATE GUNS! Guns have no place in a civilized society. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! If some of those folks had been carrying guns they might have taken the shooter out after or even before they had killed one, let alone three people. Pull your head out of your ass. DX Ace, Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria : Dave McCracken, Neosho Police Chief is attributed to this statement : "The gunman had two small-caliber handguns and one 9 mm semi-automatic machine pistol with a large magazine," McCracken said. OMG - It's a Killing Machine ! - 9mm Semi-Automatic "Machine" {Machine Gun} Pistol with a LARGE Magazine. * Another Liberal Media Distortion About Guns. Most members of the Anti-Gun Political Cadre believe that the use of anything greater then the old Six-Shot 38 Police Revolver is Police Brutality and any 9mm Semi-Auto with a 10-13 Round Clip is a Weapon of War. Smith & Wesson M&P Standard 9mm Pistol http://www.gunslot.com/guns/smith-we...p-standard-9mm That's "M&P" as in Military and Police. I Believe It Is The Right {and Duty} Of Each And Every America Citizen To BEAR ARMS [.] ~ RHF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_bear_arms . . The terms 'Semi-Automatic' and "Machine Pistol" are mutually exclusive terms. Actually so are "Machine" and "Pistol." Semi-Automatic--for those not up to speed, means that one bullet is fired every time the trigger is released, the cartridge casing is ejected and a fresh cartridge chambered. In the context of a shoot, there is no technical difference between the outcome of squeezing the trigger on a revolver and a semi-auto. One squeeze, one shot. Nothing more. To be a "Machine Gun," a weapon must fire fully automatically AND must fire rifle cartridges. One squeeze and the weapons empties the magazine of RIFLE cartridges. The reason the Thompson Automatic (Eliot Ness's Tommy Gun) was called a sub-machine gun, is because it fired pistol cartridges. Specifically .45 ACP. The only pistol of which I have experience firing a rifle bullet is a Thompson Center Contender....which is single shot only. Now, there are automatic pistols. Extremely hard to handle, and virtually impossible to aim after the first cartridge is fired. But those are not 'Machine Pistols.' And they are most certainly not semi-automatic. There were no "Machine Pistols" in the inventory taken after this event. The speaker is using the most inflammatory language to create fear and motion in favor of an agenda. It's the most reckless kind of yellow journalism. The shooting itself is reprehensible enough. It does not require embroidery. And, since this is Rec.Radio.Shortwave....where did I learn all of this? On shortwave radio. Back when BBC was still a news organization. . . |
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wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. |
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One time over there at the ammo dump, a few miles North of the Tan Son
Nhut North Gate (www.devilfinder.com Map Tan Son Nhut) somebody brought over some shootin irons I (and most of the other scrub nosed guys over there) haden't ever laid hands on before.Machine Gun, Grease Gun (my favorite, Grease Gun) and a few other shootin irons for us to get familiar with. cuhulin |
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D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. dxAce Michigan USA Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B 70' and 200' wires along with the Eavesdropper dipole 221 Countries verified and 237 heard using the NASWA Country List I love, and have met, Marianne Faithfull, I also howl at the morning rain... |
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dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. dxAce Michigan USA Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B 70' and 200' wires along with the Eavesdropper dipole 221 Countries verified and 237 heard using the NASWA Country List I love, and have met, Marianne Faithfull, I also howl at the morning rain... |
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I used to get over to a blood donation place across the park on Robinson
Road.There was a black woman there, Deborah, from Bourbannais,Illinois, near Kankakee.She was married, had five kids, her hubby was in the U.S.Army) My arm blood veines are impossible to see.But, Deborah always stuck my right arm just right.I love that woman. cuhulin |
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I emailed told that married Irish woman in Bognor Regis,England she
better say sompin to me or I am going to get that little Hannah girl in Bognor Regis to step over there and kick her butt.I reckon I need to hunt up some more Maybelline On The Rocks eye liner pencils and snail mail them to that woman.Anything to keep the peace. cuhulin |
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Metinks I almost see my old barracks in that Tan Son Nhut South [South
is always best] I gotta get out of this World. I am goin back to the Wagon folks, these Boots are hurtin me. cuhulin |
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Tree minutes and ten seconds, Out of this World.I needs to go to my
WevTV female user name thangy and look that hottie teenage gal over some more.Don't blame it on me. cuhulin |
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Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. The hard reality is that gut feelings can be inaccurate. They can also be abused, like anything else. But they develop as a result of front line experience and are right more often than not. To disparage a gut feeling in this circumstance and require compelling dispositive proof before taking action is precisely how 9/11 came to happen. It's precisely how the Cole grew the hole in her hull. It's precisely how party goers died in a disco in Germany. Had more gut feelings been followed, the heightened state of vigilance would have prevented engagement in this instances by permitting more proactive defensive postures. Give me a Marine with a gut feeling over a so-called scientific approach any day. ANY DAY. In other words, I'll walk into a hot zone with a Marine at my side before I'd walk into a public school with you. It's real easy to armchair quarterback the guy sitting in the big chair. And it's real easy to criticize someone charged with responsibility based on your politics and his colloquial speech. But I've noticed your criticism does not come accompanied with an alternative practical solution other than "Impeach Bush." Forgive me for saying this, but paper tigers are made of these. |
3 Killed In Missouri. Church Shooting
My gawd Cuhulin... you do have some brain cells that still work. You made
sense. Wow! wrote in message ... Guns don't kill, people do.Outlaw people! cuhulin |
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In article ,
dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I'll stick with the Garand I purchased from the DCM program (now CMP). I had to put a but pad on it so I would not get bruised firing it. .30-06 is one mean round. http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm .30-06 is one mean round. The M1 is one awesome rifle. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon wrote:
In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. Pull to the left, do they? |
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On Aug 13, 7:27 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OMG - Canadians Making Killer Hand Guns Mike (M II) Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF |
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RHF wrote: On Aug 13, 7:27 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OMG - Canadians Making Killer Hand Guns Mike (M II) Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF 30+ million of the vermin just north of us. |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
On Aug 13, 7:18 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I'll stick with the Garand I purchased from the DCM program (now CMP). I had to put a but pad on it so I would not get bruised firing it. .30-06 is one mean round. http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm .30-06 is one mean round. The M1 is one awesome rifle. -- Telamon Ventura, California I'd kick myself in my ass if I could. I should have never sold my M-1 Garand. But I make do now with a Swedish Mauser M-38 Short Rifle, a Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I* - Longbranch, and a Sturm-Ruger .45 Old Army in stainless steel. Hell of a lot of hoops to jump through up here fo me to keep my .45. Although once in a while I fire a Glock 17 9mm in competition, but I don't own it. Fired a C-7 (our Canadian version of the M-16) in auto burst fire, didn't care for it. Waste of ammo in my opinion, the way the barrel climbs. Careful single shot is the way I've always gone. The Afghans did a damn good job against the Soviets using old Lee-Enfields. And some of those old Lee-Enfields where cheap copys made in shops in Pakistan. Cato the Canuck |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Human dxAceholism
dxAce wrote:
RHF wrote: On Aug 13, 7:27 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OMG - Canadians Making Killer Hand Guns Mike (M II) Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF 30+ million of the vermin just north of us. Alcoholics Anonymous is meant for people like you. The Tribal Council of the Miami Nation will also help. They hate to see the flock become derelicts such as yourself, Supreme Commander. mike |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Human dxAceholism
m II wrote: dxAce wrote: RHF wrote: On Aug 13, 7:27 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OMG - Canadians Making Killer Hand Guns Mike (M II) Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF 30+ million of the vermin just north of us. Alcoholics Anonymous is meant for people like you. The Tribal Council of the Miami Nation will also help. They hate to see the flock become derelicts such as yourself, Supreme Commander. Flock? Gimme a break. We're not dumbass Canucks, nor fake Hispanics. Call Health CanaDuh tomorrow and get some help. dxAce Michigan USA |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Human dxAceholism
On Aug 13, 9:14 pm, dxAce wrote:
m II wrote: dxAce wrote: RHF wrote: On Aug 13, 7:27 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OMG - Canadians Making Killer Hand Guns Mike (M II) Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF 30+ million of the vermin just north of us. Alcoholics Anonymous is meant for people like you. The Tribal Council of the Miami Nation will also help. They hate to see the flock become derelicts such as yourself, Supreme Commander. Flock? Gimme a break. We're not dumbass Canucks, nor fake Hispanics. Call Health CanaDuh tomorrow and get some help. dxAce Michigan USA **** dxAce! I take a break from here for a while and come back, and your still calling us Canucks dumbass, and referring to Canada as CanaDuh. What will make you turn off the insults??? You know what?? I'd like to sit down and have a few beers with you time. Maybe see what makes you tick. Cato the Canuck |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience or magical powers. The hard reality is that gut feelings can be inaccurate. They can also be abused, like anything else. But they develop as a result of front line experience and are right more often than not. See above -- he's had no "front-line experience". He's a desk man. But you miss my point completely. With Chertoff having total and unlimited access to everything from the CIA to the FBI to Scotland Yard to the East Podunk Township Police Department and everything in between, he DOESN'T NEED to rely on "gut feelings". He didn't give one single tiny shred of any support or evidence other than his "gut". Sorry, but unless he bases it on the wide resources he has access to, I consider his "gut" just fear mongering. It's real easy to armchair quarterback the guy sitting in the big chair. And it's real easy to criticize someone charged with responsibility based on your politics and his colloquial speech. But I've noticed your criticism does not come accompanied with an alternative practical solution other than "Impeach Bush." Huh? At NO time and nowhere in my post did I say, mention, hint at or allude to the "I" word. I have no idea where you got that idea from (other than a Freudian slip on your part). ;-) And, yes, my "alternative solution" was that he base his getting the public aroused on the tons of resources he has, not his "gut". P.S. Just to anticipate you saying "he can't give away his sources", I believe (if he actually had anything), he could have made a "generic" statement like "Intelligence sources report that...") without letting any cats out of the bag or trusting us to solely rely on his "gut". |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience. And you think a judge can't get a gut feeling about impending matters? You're more cynical than I thought. I consider his "gut" just fear mongering. It's real easy to armchair quarterback the guy sitting in the big chair. And it's real easy to criticize someone charged with responsibility based on your politics and his colloquial speech. But I've noticed your criticism does not come accompanied with an alternative practical solution other than "Impeach Bush." Huh? At NO time and nowhere in my post did I say, mention, hint at or allude to the "I" word. I have no idea where you got that idea from (other than a Freudian slip on your part). ;-) And, yes, my "alternative solution" was that he base his getting the public aroused on the tons of resources he has, not his "gut". P.S. Just to anticipate you saying "he can't give away his sources", I believe (if he actually had anything), he could have made a "generic" statement like "Intelligence sources report that...") without letting any cats out of the bag or trusting us to solely rely on his "gut". |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience or magical powers. And you think a judge can't get a gut feeling about impending matters? You're more cynical than I thought. I consider his "gut" just fear mongering. Well, then. That should be good enough for all of us. I know I'm sure relieved. |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience or magical powers. D Peter Maus wrote: And you think a judge can't get a gut feeling about impending matters? You're more cynical than I thought. Jeez, you keep missing the point... cynical has nothing to do with it. I never said a desk bound judge couldn't have a "gut feeling". (But the point being he IS a desk man and a political appointee and has NOT had any day-to-day front line intelligence experience). For the final time, my point IS that with all the BILLIONS spent on homeland security and with him having access to EVERY law enforcement agency in the country, from big to little and access to some Western European agencies also, I think he should have a least a -shred- of real evidence from at least one of these outfits before he goes on national TV and gets everybody all geeked up over his gut. The American people deserve better than a "gut feeling" for the billions spent. It's just more fear mongering to get the sheep to think we need the politicians to "save" us... |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience or magical powers. D Peter Maus wrote: And you think a judge can't get a gut feeling about impending matters? You're more cynical than I thought. Jeez, you keep missing the point... cynical has nothing to do with it. I never said a desk bound judge couldn't have a "gut feeling". (But the point being he IS a desk man and a political appointee and has NOT had any day-to-day front line intelligence experience). For the final time, my point IS that with all the BILLIONS spent on homeland security and with him having access to EVERY law enforcement agency in the country, from big to little and access to some Western European agencies also, I think he should have a least a -shred- of real evidence from at least one of these outfits before he goes on national TV and gets everybody all geeked up over his gut. The American people deserve better than a "gut feeling" for the billions spent. It's just more fear mongering to get the sheep to think we need the politicians to "save" us... No, Sweetheart, in your zeal to find something by which to be offended, you've missed the point entirely.... The 'gut feeling' is where it starts. The research, the intel, and the gathering of evidence follows. Which is precisely what Chertoff was telling you. |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Human dxAceholism
On Aug 13, 10:05 pm, dxAce wrote:
Cato wrote: On Aug 13, 9:14 pm, dxAce wrote: m II wrote: dxAce wrote: RHF wrote: On Aug 13, 7:27 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OMG - Canadians Making Killer Hand Guns Mike (M II) Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF 30+ million of the vermin just north of us. Alcoholics Anonymous is meant for people like you. The Tribal Council of the Miami Nation will also help. They hate to see the flock become derelicts such as yourself, Supreme Commander. Flock? Gimme a break. We're not dumbass Canucks, nor fake Hispanics. Call Health CanaDuh tomorrow and get some help. dxAce Michigan USA **** dxAce! I take a break from here for a while and come back, and your still calling us Canucks dumbass, and referring to Canada as CanaDuh. What will make you turn off the insults??? You know what?? I'd like to sit down and have a few beers with you time. Maybe see what makes you tick. Dumbass Canucks just don't cut it. dxAce advice: hang in there and we'll drive the *******s out. dxAce Michigan USA Well, let's see. What was it Jefferson said before the War of 1812? Something about "taking Canada will be merely a matter of marching."?? And then Mr. Madison became President, and found out that is was a bit more difficult then that. Not one bit of Canadian soil was ever permanently captured by the U.S.. Although they tried pretty hard. I'll give 'em credit for effort. Lot of battles around my area in the Niagara Peninsula. Battle of Fort George, Battle of Fort Erie, Battle of Lundy's Lane, Battle of Chippewa, Battle of Stoney Creek etc. They sure did give it a good try over those few years. Yep. The War of 1812 became known as "Mr. Madison's War." He was still wearing knee breeches when pretty well everyone else had switched to long pants. Cato the Canuck |
(OT) : Mike (M II) - The Can-A-Duh-Ian { Genesis } Ineptus Canadianus Simplianus
On Aug 13, 9:09 pm, m II wrote:
dxAce wrote: RHF wrote: On Aug 13, 7:27 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: Guns have no place in a civilized society. Neither do gangs, drug runners, or people who shout on street corners. Nor is there a place in civilized society for those who create fear and hysteria by distorting the facts. And yet,..... Specifically referring to the Neosho Deputy who spoke before the cameras, but referring in general to anyone who shouts distortions to create sympathy for an unpopular agenda, the Deputy is heavily trained in the technical knowledge, and proficient use and understanding of firearms. For him to say what he said, publicly, is the most clear and present reason why the people in this country fear police: What comes out of their mouths is often not the truth. But in a more general sense, anyone screaming for confiscation of anything as a national policy has to do so through the same kinds of distortions...and their credibility becomes, as well, suspect. There is no place in a civilized society for such persons. How many more innocent people are going to have to die before this nation finally wakes up and does the inevitable - BAN GUNS!!! It's interesting how the same people who screamed until there was a statutory requirement for smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in every home are the first to scream about banning firearms. Consider...the reason for the smoke alarm is to warn the family early enough to take meaningful action to save home, hearth and lives. The reason for the fire extinguisher is to help contain damage while the fire department is in route. And yet, when an armed soul wanders into a building known to be unarmed, the fault is on the authorities who didn't arrive in time? That's bull****. If you're going to have a fire extinguisher in every home to hold back the flames while the fire department is enroute, you'd be irresponsible not to have an accessible weapon on the grounds to hold off unimpeded killings while the SWAT team is enroute. Having a weapon accessible and in play INSIDE when such an event breaks out, does two things immediately....1) it diverts attention of the gunmen from killing the unarmed and innocent, to taking cover and focussing on those who are shooting at him, and 2) it presents the only real and immediate opportunity to stop his activities at the earliest moments possible. Banning guns, as the a number of Chicago suburbs have discovered is the only way to a guaranteed certaintly to boost armed home invasions. And sadly, nationwide, school shootings. AK-47... the best anger management tool ever invented. I"m partial to Walthers, myself. I like Para Ordance myself. http://www.paraord.com/pages/main.html Out of the box one gun was good but another needed a little polish on the trigger parts for a smooth pull. They are a Canadian firm. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OMG - Canadians Making Killer Hand Guns Mike (M II) Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF 30+ million of the vermin just north of us. Alcoholics Anonymous is meant for people like you. The Tribal Council of the Miami Nation will also help. They hate to see the flock become derelicts such as yourself, Supreme Commander. mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mike (MII), -WRT- ? dxAcehole, Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) ? Mike (M II) - This does not change the very simply fact that you are a Can-A-Duh-Ian - A Countryless Person Who Hates America -and- Does Not Love Canada -and- Is a 'citizen' of Neither [.] Can-A-Duh-Ian { genesis } ineptus canadianus simplianus Mike (M II) - Learn To Love Canada and Being A Canadian -and- Please Stop Hating The USA and Americans. |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
Zeke Zzzppt wrote:
Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience or magical powers. D Peter Maus wrote: And you think a judge can't get a gut feeling about impending matters? You're more cynical than I thought. Jeez, you keep missing the point... cynical has nothing to do with it. I never said a desk bound judge couldn't have a "gut feeling". (But the point being he IS a desk man and a political appointee and has NOT had any day-to-day front line intelligence experience). For the final time, my point IS that with all the BILLIONS spent on homeland security and with him having access to EVERY law enforcement agency in the country, from big to little and access to some Western European agencies also, I think he should have a least a -shred- of real evidence from at least one of these outfits before he goes on national TV and gets everybody all geeked up over his gut. The American people deserve better than a "gut feeling" for the billions spent. It's just more fear mongering to get the sheep to think we need the politicians to "save" us... D Peter Maus wrote: No, Sweetheart, in your zeal to find something by which to be offended, you've missed the point entirely.... The 'gut feeling' is where it starts. The research, the intel, and the gathering of evidence follows. Wow! You really have been around the current administration too long. You are saying to first come up with some vague, half-baked, superstitious "gut feeling" and -then- try and find and/or "manufacture" facts to fit. Actually, no, I didn't say that, Strawman. But nice try. I'm capable of speaking for myself. But if I ever require a paraphrast, you'll be the first on my list to call. What makes you think that Chertoff hasn't waded through hard intel before he makes his appearance? You honestly think he calls a press conference to make a hunch? Really... How it works in government is how it works everywhere else. Some information comes across someone's path that triggers a gut reaction. Then they start looking for evidence one way or the other. You'll notice that the level of alert doesn't remain at 'Orange' or 'Red.' It does drop down to 'Yellow' from time to time. Indicating that after Chertoff's gut feeling, the hard intel doesn't support escalation. I don't see the problem. It's simply unrealistic, in law enforcement or security, to wait until all possible evidence and intel has been evaluated to take an action. History has proven that to be an unreliable strategy. |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
On Aug 15, 8:02 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience or magical powers. D Peter Maus wrote: And you think a judge can't get a gut feeling about impending matters? You're more cynical than I thought. Jeez, you keep missing the point... cynical has nothing to do with it. I never said a desk bound judge couldn't have a "gut feeling". (But the point being he IS a desk man and a political appointee and has NOT had any day-to-day front line intelligence experience). For the final time, my point IS that with all the BILLIONS spent on homeland security and with him having access to EVERY law enforcement agency in the country, from big to little and access to some Western European agencies also, I think he should have a least a -shred- of real evidence from at least one of these outfits before he goes on national TV and gets everybody all geeked up over his gut. The American people deserve better than a "gut feeling" for the billions spent. It's just more fear mongering to get the sheep to think we need the politicians to "save" us... D Peter Maus wrote: No, Sweetheart, in your zeal to find something by which to be offended, you've missed the point entirely.... The 'gut feeling' is where it starts. The research, the intel, and the gathering of evidence follows. Wow! You really have been around the current administration too long. You are saying to first come up with some vague, half-baked, superstitious "gut feeling" and -then- try and find and/or "manufacture" facts to fit. Actually, no, I didn't say that, Strawman. But nice try. I'm capable of speaking for myself. But if I ever require a paraphrast, you'll be the first on my list to call. What makes you think that Chertoff hasn't waded through hard intel before he makes his appearance? You honestly think he calls a press conference to make a hunch? Really... How it works in government is how it works everywhere else. Some information comes across someone's path that triggers a gut reaction. Then they start looking for evidence one way or the other. You'll notice that the level of alert doesn't remain at 'Orange' or 'Red.' It does drop down to 'Yellow' from time to time. Indicating that after Chertoff's gut feeling, the hard intel doesn't support escalation. I don't see the problem. It's simply unrealistic, in law enforcement or security, to wait until all possible evidence and intel has been evaluated to take an action. History has proven that to be an unreliable strategy.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Better ot have a "Gut Feeling" : Then to reveal your 'sources' and have them killed and and end-up without any sources. ~ RHF |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
RHF wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:02 am, D Peter Maus wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: Zeke Zzzppt wrote: So, while you're on the subject, is there a place for government fear-mongering? Like Secretary of Homeland Security Chertoff, with access to -every- law enforcement agency in the US and probably the Western world, and the best he can come up with is ..."Gee, I have this gut feeling". :-( D Peter Maus wrote: Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have come as a result of a gut feeling. Ask anyone who's been in combat if they don't develop a 'spidey sense' of impending engagement while on patrol. Ask anyone who's served in law enforcement if they've not developed a gut feeling about a suspect based on very slightly discernable behaviours. Ask anyone who's ever worked in Customs if a gut feeling hasn't led to an arrest and confiscation of contraband. Unfortunately, Chertoff never served in law enforcement, Customs nor has he ever "been out on patrol". He's a lawyer, judge and a political appointee, not someone with field experience or magical powers. D Peter Maus wrote: And you think a judge can't get a gut feeling about impending matters? You're more cynical than I thought. Jeez, you keep missing the point... cynical has nothing to do with it. I never said a desk bound judge couldn't have a "gut feeling". (But the point being he IS a desk man and a political appointee and has NOT had any day-to-day front line intelligence experience). For the final time, my point IS that with all the BILLIONS spent on homeland security and with him having access to EVERY law enforcement agency in the country, from big to little and access to some Western European agencies also, I think he should have a least a -shred- of real evidence from at least one of these outfits before he goes on national TV and gets everybody all geeked up over his gut. The American people deserve better than a "gut feeling" for the billions spent. It's just more fear mongering to get the sheep to think we need the politicians to "save" us... D Peter Maus wrote: No, Sweetheart, in your zeal to find something by which to be offended, you've missed the point entirely.... The 'gut feeling' is where it starts. The research, the intel, and the gathering of evidence follows. Wow! You really have been around the current administration too long. You are saying to first come up with some vague, half-baked, superstitious "gut feeling" and -then- try and find and/or "manufacture" facts to fit. Actually, no, I didn't say that, Strawman. But nice try. I'm capable of speaking for myself. But if I ever require a paraphrast, you'll be the first on my list to call. What makes you think that Chertoff hasn't waded through hard intel before he makes his appearance? You honestly think he calls a press conference to make a hunch? Really... How it works in government is how it works everywhere else. Some information comes across someone's path that triggers a gut reaction. Then they start looking for evidence one way or the other. You'll notice that the level of alert doesn't remain at 'Orange' or 'Red.' It does drop down to 'Yellow' from time to time. Indicating that after Chertoff's gut feeling, the hard intel doesn't support escalation. I don't see the problem. It's simply unrealistic, in law enforcement or security, to wait until all possible evidence and intel has been evaluated to take an action. History has proven that to be an unreliable strategy.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Better ot have a "Gut Feeling" : Then to reveal your 'sources' and have them killed and and end-up without any sources. ~ RHF . . . . Well, yeah..and that's the other side of this....to be effective there's so much that Chertoff simply cannot reveal. What he says on camera fills a need to feed The Beast. It's not going to be detailed or an accurate representation of processes. |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
RHF wrote:
Better ot have a "Gut Feeling" : Then to reveal your 'sources' and have them killed and and end-up without any sources. ~ RHF So..the releasing of Valerie Plame's identity by the Bush Administration was a BAD thing, right? mike |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
m II wrote:
RHF wrote: Better ot have a "Gut Feeling" : Then to reveal your 'sources' and have them killed and and end-up without any sources. ~ RHF So..the releasing of Valerie Plame's identity by the Bush Administration was a BAD thing, right? The releasing of Valerie Plame's identity was by Richard Armitage, who told it to Carl Novak. Confirmed by both Armitage and, once it was out, Novak. |
(OT) : Example of the Anti-Gun Liberal Media {News} Hysteria
D Peter Maus wrote:
m II wrote: RHF wrote: Better ot have a "Gut Feeling" : Then to reveal your 'sources' and have them killed and and end-up without any sources. ~ RHF So..the releasing of Valerie Plame's identity by the Bush Administration was a BAD thing, right? The releasing of Valerie Plame's identity was by Richard Armitage, who told it to Carl Novak. Confirmed by both Armitage and, once it was out, Novak. I see..no connection at all to the Bush people...I was mistaken. ========================================= "Richard Armitage, the current Deputy Defense Secretary, was another Iran-Contra player in Unocal's employ. A former Navy SEAL, covert operative in Laos, director with the Carlyle Group, Armitage is allegedly deeply linked to terrorist and criminal networks in the Middle East, and the new independent states of the former Soviet Union (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrghistan). Armitage was no stranger to pipelines. As a member of the Burma/Myanmar Forum, a group that received major funding from Unocal, Armitage was implicated in a lawsuit filed by Burmese villagers who suffered human rights abuses during the construction of a Unocal pipeline. (Halliburton, under Dick Cheney, performed contract work on the same Burmese project.)" http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex...cheneyasia.htm ========================================== |
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