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Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
"Is It Open Season or Payback Time for Radio Industry?"
"HD Radio is yesterday's future. We're coming close to the time when the towel will be thrown in. HD Radio is not going anywhere. Worse, no radio person will ever use the HD Radio campaign to diagram successful radio advertising. To continue this chase is to throw manpower and money away. Want to read a review on one HD receiver? Try this from Wired.com. I'll give you a quote: Remember those crappy $15 AM/FM cassette radios from the 80s? The HD100 looks just like one and has the sound to match. Consumers aren't biting." http://www.audiographics.com/agd/082107-1.htm Ha Ha Struble! Ha Ha Eduardo! |
(OT) : HD Radio - Keeping A Straight-Face & Trying Not To Laugh !
On Aug 21, 1:53 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
"Is It Open Season or Payback Time for Radio Industry?" "HD Radio is yesterday's future. We're coming close to the time when the towel will be thrown in. HD Radio is not going anywhere. Worse, no radio person will ever use the HD Radio campaign to diagram successful radio advertising. To continue this chase is to throw manpower and money away. Want to read a review on one HD receiver? Try this from Wired.com. I'll give you a quote: Remember those crappy $15 AM/FM cassette radios from the 80s? The HD100 looks just like one and has the sound to match. Consumers aren't biting." http://www.audiographics.com/agd/082107-1.htm Ha Ha Struble! Ha Ha Eduardo! IBOC Crock, The HD Radio Newsgroup 'exists' for such Posts HD RADIO = http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio After-all you have posted there several times and for the most part : There Is No There - There ! |
(OT) : HD Radio - Keeping A Straight-Face & Trying Not To Laugh !
On Aug 21, 9:58 pm, dead of night wrote:
I have a Sangean HDR-1. It is a beautiful instrument and the HD stations are amazing. I am happy with the purchase. IBOCcrock wrote: On Aug 21, 6:56?pm, RHF wrote: On Aug 21, 1:53 pm, IBOCcrock wrote: "Is It Open Season or Payback Time for Radio Industry?" "HD Radio is yesterday's future. We're coming close to the time when the towel will be thrown in. HD Radio is not going anywhere. Worse, no radio person will ever use the HD Radio campaign to diagram successful radio advertising. To continue this chase is to throw manpower and money away. Want to read a review on one HD receiver? Try this from Wired.com. I'll give you a quote: Remember those crappy $15 AM/FM cassette radios from the 80s? The HD100 looks just like one and has the sound to match. Consumers aren't biting." http://www.audiographics.com/agd/082107-1.htm Ha Ha Struble! Ha Ha Eduardo! IBOC Crock, The HD Radio Newsgroup 'exists' for such Posts HD RADIO =http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio After-all you have posted there several times and for the most part : There Is No There - There ! . Let US Remember - This Is A Shortwave Radio NewsGroup. . keeping a straight-face & trying not to laugh - btdt ~ RHF . . . . What's the matter - looks like HD Radio is failing, IBOC shill ! Ha! Ha!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yea, you got a great deal on the HDT-1: http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/hdt-1.txt It's nothing but a cheap-**** empty box ! Now, you will have to upgrade that with the HDT-1X - a never-ending cycle of hardware/ receiver upgrades: http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/hdt-1x.txt Eventually, you will have to buy yet another crappy HD radio - suckers ! |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 21, 4:53 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
"Is It Open Season or Payback Time for Radio Industry?" "HD Radio is yesterday's future. We're coming close to the time when the towel will be thrown in. HD Radio is not going anywhere. Worse, no radio person will ever use the HD Radio campaign to diagram successful radio advertising. To continue this chase is to throw manpower and money away. Want to read a review on one HD receiver? Try this from Wired.com. I'll give you a quote: Remember those crappy $15 AM/FM cassette radios from the 80s? The HD100 looks just like one and has the sound to match. Consumers aren't biting." http://www.audiographics.com/agd/082107-1.htm Ha Ha Struble! Ha Ha Eduardo! I hope you're right about the future of AM HD. Several stations have begun testing at night in anticipation of this September. If this happens the AM braodcast band will be worthless at night. This is so sad to see what an inept government we have. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
wrote in message ups.com... You must have a very dull life - nothing to do but post your very stupid remarks about HD Radio. The auto industry is gearing up to add HD Radio to nearly every make and model automobile within the next 3 years or so. All 2007 BMW's now offer HD Radio as an option. For 2008, Jaguar has added the option. Also for 2008, the new luxury car being offered by Hyundai will have HD Radio as standard, I believe. And the list goes on. The same nonsense was said about FM Radio, about radio itself when television took off, about tv dinners, etc. etc. Things don't happen overnight. FM did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station. TV didn't interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM or FM station. FM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite FM station in monaural. AM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station in monaural (in fact, it enhanced the experience because of the allowed extra bandwidth. IBOC DOES interfere with people's abilities to listen to their favorite stations. Not only does AM-IBOC interfere with stations up to three channels away from an IBOC station's carrier frequency, but it has meant that the audio bandwidth now used for AM analog is little or no better than a telephone. FM-IBOC interferes with first and second adjacent channels, making them difficult or impossible to receive. And anyone who lives in a high population area, such as the east coast, knows that their 'local' stations are not the only ones they can hear. Areas between say, New York and Boston, or New York and Philadelphia, can hear stations easily from either city. Not with IBOC.. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 22, 5:50 pm, wrote:
You must have a very dull life - nothing to do but post your very stupid remarks about HD Radio. The auto industry is gearing up to add HD Radio to nearly every make and model automobile within the next 3 years or so. All 2007 BMW's now offer HD Radio as an option. For 2008, Jaguar has added the option. Also for 2008, the new luxury car being offered by Hyundai will have HD Radio as standard, I believe. And the list goes on. The same nonsense was said about FM Radio, about radio itself when television took off, about tv dinners, etc. etc. Things don't happen overnight. Get a life and grow up. "U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio" http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...7?pageNumber=1 Not happening - Satellite Radio is taking over in-dash, with 1/4 of new cars having Satellite as stand/optional equipment. Even Hyundai is installing Satellite as standard in all of its models, except for the luxery model where HD Radio remains an expensive $500 option. iPod jack are also taking over in-dash, stupid ! |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 22, 5:50?pm, wrote:
You must have a very dull life - nothing to do but post your very stupid remarks about HD Radio. The auto industry is gearing up to add HD Radio to nearly every make and model automobile within the next 3 years or so. All 2007 BMW's now offer HD Radio as an option. For 2008, Jaguar has added the option. Also for 2008, the new luxury car being offered by Hyundai will have HD Radio as standard, I believe. And the list goes on. The same nonsense was said about FM Radio, about radio itself when television took off, about tv dinners, etc. etc. Things don't happen overnight. Get a life and grow up. HD Radio is a farce ! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/ Think I give a **** what you think ? |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 22, 3:53 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
Think I give a **** what you think ? Do you really think ANYONE cares what YOU think? Of course satellite radio is available for most cars. Look how long satellite radio has been out. Satellite radio was first available in the LUXURY CARS ONLY, and now available in some non-luxury models. SAME FOR HD RADIO. It will start with the luxury cars and gradually work down. Like Satellite radio, receivers will go DOWN in price as more units are sold. IF HD Radio was dead, I wouldn't be making the money I am making now for HD Radio. And the income keeps going UP, not down. I have NO problem with analog AM reception here in central California. I get every local station loud and clear, PLUS several stations hundreds of miles away all day long. NO interference from the MANY HD stations broadcasting in my area. Get a quality radio and maybe you won't have all these problems. |
(OT) : IBOC Crock & HD Radio - Keeping A Straight-Face & Trying Not To Laugh !
On Aug 22, 4:53 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
- Think I give a **** what you think ? IBOC Crock, The HD Radio Newsgroup 'exists' for such Posts HD RADIO = http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio After-all you have posted there several times and for the most part : There Is No There - There ! |
(OT) : IBOC Crock & HD Radio - Keeping A Straight-Face & Trying Not To Laugh !
On Aug 23, 1:56 am, RHF wrote:
On Aug 22, 4:53 pm, IBOCcrock wrote: - Think I give a **** what you think ? IBOC Crock, TheHD RadioNewsgroup 'exists' for such PostsHD RADIO=http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio After-all you have posted there several times and for the most part : There Is No There - There ! . Let US Remember - This Is A Shortwave Radio NewsGroup. . mr. crock - keeping a straight-face & trying not to laugh ~ RHF . . . . **** yourself - HD RAadio is DOA: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/ |
The Little Blue Blinking Light Report - KFBK-AM 1530 kHz
On Aug 23, 3:04 am, RHF wrote:
Clear Channel announced in 2006 that KFBK would be converted from a traditional AM broadcasting station to an HD2 facility. Eventually, the HD conversion will allow for KFBK-1, KFBK-2 and KFBK-3 together on the 1530 AM signal. I didn't think you could carry all those separate IBOC services on the AM band? I thought IBOC for AM consisted basically of the station's digital signal plus RDS, since there isn't room for anything else (unless you turn off the analog signal). IBOC FM, I know for certain, can support up to three or four "streams". Maybe even more if you do away with analog subcarriers (like 92 and 67 khz for voice) and the analog section of the signal. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
The Little Blue Blinking Light Report - KFBK-AM 1530 kHz
On Aug 24, 11:57 am, Stephanie Weil wrote:
On Aug 23, 3:04 am, RHF wrote: Clear Channel announced in 2006 that KFBK would be converted from a traditional AM broadcasting station to an HD2 facility. Eventually, the HD conversion will allow for KFBK-1, KFBK-2 and KFBK-3 together on the 1530 AM signal. I didn't think you could carry all those separate IBOC services on the AM band? I thought IBOC for AM consisted basically of the station's digital signal plus RDS, since there isn't room for anything else (unless you turn off the analog signal). IBOC FM, I know for certain, can support up to three or four "streams". Maybe even more if you do away with analog subcarriers (like 92 and 67 khz for voice) and the analog section of the signal. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA SW - I was news to me so that is why I printed it out. ~ RHF Maybe DE will come along and give us a Definitive Answer . . . |
The Little Blue Blinking Light Report - KFBK-AM 1530 kHz
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Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:43:40 -0700, Stephanie Weil
wrote: On Aug 26, 2:58 am, "Pete KE9OA" wrote: Have you ever looked at an IBOC signal with a spectrum analyzer? On Aug 26, 2:58 am, "Pete KE9OA" wrote: Have you ever looked at an IBOC signal with a spectrum analyzer? I don't think to. Of course, you are joking when you try to tell people about the interference that you don't get from the local IBOC stations. I've seen the shape of one on a screen capture. Yes, I know, not the same thing, but still. On AM, if you try to tune in a faint out of market station in the daytime -- say AM 74 out of Huntington, NY -- which is between AM 710 and AM 77 in New York (both IBOC stations), you can't. If you're not getting hash from 710, you're getting it from 77, either of which wipes out the already pitiful reception of this peanutwhistle on AM 74. If you try to tune in AM 1240 out of Morristown, NJ, you'll be hit with interference from AM 1280 (another local station running IBOC). Stephanie Weil New York City, USA Here we have: 780 KKOH 790 KABC 810 KGO all obliterating each other and all owned by the same company. AM is about to die. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 26, 10:30 pm, Bart Bailey wrote:
Maybe if you narrowed your bandwidth or used synchronous detection on the far sideband you could do likewise? What kind of receiver are you using? Does it have synchronous detection or pass band shift? I'm talking about normal radios. I don't own any "communications grade" gear (unless you want to count my Zenith Royal D7000Y, which I don't). I've owned ghetto blasters (yes! ghetto blasters) with very good quality tuners that allowed me to pick up -- and comfortably listen to -- stations like WICC AM 6 in Bridgeport, Conn., WMTR AM 1250 in Morristown, NJ, and yes, even what was then WBLI-1240 (now WGBB) out of Freeport, NY. On a few run-of-the-mill 5-tube radios and pocket radios I would sometimes be able to scrape out AM 1210 from Philadelphia. All during the day. Can't do this anymore. But that's unimportant Let's get on to a topic that's more important for "joe random" AM listeners: The sound quality of the analog signal. I have a Kloss Tivoli table radio which is definitely not sensitive on AM, but was designed to have have very decent sound for its little size. It's gotten to the point where it's gotten impossible to listen to an IBOC AM station on one of these during the day because you ALWAYS hear that "hisss" in the background. And please, find an excuse for the "clipping" of the audio? Fine, so I won't be able to DX. I can live with that, considering it's not worth doing so anymore. But can't I have at least the local stations sounding decent and "clean" without something that sounds worse than over-driven cheap magnetic tape hiss constantly buzzing in my ears? Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
Pete KE9OA wrote:
Perfectly put, Brenda. IBOC is the biggest joke that I have seen in a long time. And they have the nerve to call it "high definition radio". As big a joke as Windows Vista. Pete iBiquity specifically states that "HD" in "HD Radio" does not stand for "High Definition." At one time, it stood for "Hybrid Digital," as the intent was to make the transition to full time digital only broadcasting. Today, iBiquity claims "HD" stands for nothing.... Which, if you think about it.....:) And as for the idea of apply synchronous detection to get rid of IBOC interference....yes...well....ahem.... Not so. You're not that far from me, and there is no end of IBOC rash over the stations worth hearing, up here. I think this is a solution desperately looking for a reason to execute the perpetrator. Radio isn't going to give up on this crap easily, though. Not with the investment they've already made in hardware and licensing. But it's not a solution that will bring the results Radio was hoping for. First, it's not CONTENT focussed in its marketing...And it's CONTENT that drives listening. That's why we're all so willing to sit through the noise and static to hear programs that are not broadcast locally....we're want the content, not the gimmick. (Well, except for one, whose logs reflected at most 2 minutes each of the stations in the ILG database.) Until Radio gets this, and starts creating content that listeners want to hear, and making it availble only on the digital streams, IBOC will continue to languish. No matter what HD salesmen claim. The data tells a different tune than a claim about a commission check. "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... You must have a very dull life - nothing to do but post your very stupid remarks about HD Radio. The auto industry is gearing up to add HD Radio to nearly every make and model automobile within the next 3 years or so. All 2007 BMW's now offer HD Radio as an option. For 2008, Jaguar has added the option. Also for 2008, the new luxury car being offered by Hyundai will have HD Radio as standard, I believe. And the list goes on. The same nonsense was said about FM Radio, about radio itself when television took off, about tv dinners, etc. etc. Things don't happen overnight. FM did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station. TV didn't interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM or FM station. FM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite FM station in monaural. AM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station in monaural (in fact, it enhanced the experience because of the allowed extra bandwidth. IBOC DOES interfere with people's abilities to listen to their favorite stations. Not only does AM-IBOC interfere with stations up to three channels away from an IBOC station's carrier frequency, but it has meant that the audio bandwidth now used for AM analog is little or no better than a telephone. FM-IBOC interferes with first and second adjacent channels, making them difficult or impossible to receive. And anyone who lives in a high population area, such as the east coast, knows that their 'local' stations are not the only ones they can hear. Areas between say, New York and Boston, or New York and Philadelphia, can hear stations easily from either city. Not with IBOC.. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
I believe ( HOPE) HD radio is going nowhere,,,, Fast!
cuhulin |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 27, 12:38 pm, Bart Bailey wrote:
Orban's Opti-Mod I think it's called, and station personnel that can't seem to resist adjusting them for maximum smoke. Processors were always set "hot" way before IBOC came on the scene, and I never heard station audio clip and distort the way it does now on the analog side of AM HD. Reducing the available bandwith for analog to +/- 5 khz to shoehorn the digital portion sure hasn't helped either. The whole idea with HD is that you have to back off on the processing a bit. You can't overdrive digital the way you can with analog and have it come out sounding good. It's like slightly overdriving a recording on cassette tape vs. Minidisc. If you try it with Minidisc, you hit a brick wall and everything above that starts sounding like so much mush. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
Stephanie Weil wrote:
On Aug 27, 12:38 pm, Bart Bailey wrote: Orban's Opti-Mod I think it's called, and station personnel that can't seem to resist adjusting them for maximum smoke. Processors were always set "hot" way before IBOC came on the scene, and I never heard station audio clip and distort the way it does now on the analog side of AM HD. Reducing the available bandwith for analog to +/- 5 khz to shoehorn the digital portion sure hasn't helped either. The whole idea with HD is that you have to back off on the processing a bit. You can't overdrive digital the way you can with analog and have it come out sounding good. It's like slightly overdriving a recording on cassette tape vs. Minidisc. If you try it with Minidisc, you hit a brick wall and everything above that starts sounding like so much mush. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA Clipping has been part of audio processing since the early days of audio processing. It's usually inaudible. AM processing has been using 'smart' clipping for awhile, now. Smart clipping is not quite as hard--rounded edges--but for a number of years CRL openly hard clipped the composite baseband and let the **** fall into the filter where it may. And not all analog clipping is that objectionable. It adds even order harmonics, which are pleasing to the ear. If over done...well, that's another story...but lightly, it can be a good thing... One of the problems we have with digital audio, is the number of analog engineers applyin analog thinking to digital audio. And this applies to both recording and live audio, as well. You're right, digital audio is a brick wall at '0', and anything beyond that becomes some serious trash. Analog engineers, especially in the recording industry, routinely try to recreate 'tape compression' at the top end, by driving preamps and other pre conversion electronics mildly to their top end. Especially if they're using tube preamps. This takes a delicate hand. But who's that delicate is broadcasting, today? Not many. The most common complaint I hear about HD reception, today, and this applies to both AM and FM, is the audio quality isn't what is expected. It's not CD quality, which according to Philips and Sony was only supposed to be medium-fi in the first place. And the HD audio is nearly always loaded with some kind of distortion artifact resulting from trying to pack 5 lbs in a 4 lb bag. Truth is, the very reasons we developed audio processing in the first place still apply to the digital audio--limited headroom and the attempt to control clipping distortions while retaining compelling listening. Simply going digital is not changing those needs. While digital usually has deeper dynamic range, on the soft end, there is still a finite, limited ceiling at the max end, and that's where the most objectionable distortion is. So, the same needs for processing still apply. Albeit in different areas, with different parameters. To provide compelling listening in the digital stream, engineers MUST provide the proper dynamics and spectral controls. But that costs money. And most HD streams are not self supporting. And with Radio facing performance royalty payments, that's not likely to change any too soon. Another reason why the HD battle is upstream. The hard truth is that Radio in the main, isn't playing HD the way it needs to be played to maximize it as a resource. Some are. There are some very good sounding HD streams. But most aren't. And they aren't likely to start. It's too much work, for too little revenue return on the investment. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
You are correct...........iBiquity didn't make that claim. The local radio
station on 97.1 calls theirselves "high definition radio". When I spoke to one of the PR folks at iBiquity a couple of years ago, they made the claim that when I heard the hi fidilety capabilities of IBOC on the MW band that I would be impressed. When I asked them about eliminating the interference to the adjacent channels, they didn't have an answer. Pete "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Pete KE9OA wrote: Perfectly put, Brenda. IBOC is the biggest joke that I have seen in a long time. And they have the nerve to call it "high definition radio". As big a joke as Windows Vista. Pete iBiquity specifically states that "HD" in "HD Radio" does not stand for "High Definition." At one time, it stood for "Hybrid Digital," as the intent was to make the transition to full time digital only broadcasting. Today, iBiquity claims "HD" stands for nothing.... Which, if you think about it.....:) And as for the idea of apply synchronous detection to get rid of IBOC interference....yes...well....ahem.... Not so. You're not that far from me, and there is no end of IBOC rash over the stations worth hearing, up here. I think this is a solution desperately looking for a reason to execute the perpetrator. Radio isn't going to give up on this crap easily, though. Not with the investment they've already made in hardware and licensing. But it's not a solution that will bring the results Radio was hoping for. First, it's not CONTENT focussed in its marketing...And it's CONTENT that drives listening. That's why we're all so willing to sit through the noise and static to hear programs that are not broadcast locally....we're want the content, not the gimmick. (Well, except for one, whose logs reflected at most 2 minutes each of the stations in the ILG database.) Until Radio gets this, and starts creating content that listeners want to hear, and making it availble only on the digital streams, IBOC will continue to languish. No matter what HD salesmen claim. The data tells a different tune than a claim about a commission check. "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... You must have a very dull life - nothing to do but post your very stupid remarks about HD Radio. The auto industry is gearing up to add HD Radio to nearly every make and model automobile within the next 3 years or so. All 2007 BMW's now offer HD Radio as an option. For 2008, Jaguar has added the option. Also for 2008, the new luxury car being offered by Hyundai will have HD Radio as standard, I believe. And the list goes on. The same nonsense was said about FM Radio, about radio itself when television took off, about tv dinners, etc. etc. Things don't happen overnight. FM did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station. TV didn't interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM or FM station. FM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite FM station in monaural. AM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station in monaural (in fact, it enhanced the experience because of the allowed extra bandwidth. IBOC DOES interfere with people's abilities to listen to their favorite stations. Not only does AM-IBOC interfere with stations up to three channels away from an IBOC station's carrier frequency, but it has meant that the audio bandwidth now used for AM analog is little or no better than a telephone. FM-IBOC interferes with first and second adjacent channels, making them difficult or impossible to receive. And anyone who lives in a high population area, such as the east coast, knows that their 'local' stations are not the only ones they can hear. Areas between say, New York and Boston, or New York and Philadelphia, can hear stations easily from either city. Not with IBOC.. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:36:27 -0700, Bart Bailey
wrote: In posted on Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:52:28 -0800, David wrote: Begin Here we have: 780 KKOH 790 KABC 810 KGO all obliterating each other and all owned by the same company. AM is about to die. I only get KGO at night as expected, but am much closer to KABC 790 and especially XESPN 800, neither of which 'obliterate' KGO, even when D layer propagation is poor. This guy sure messes with KGO: http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine....02979&sHours=N |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 27, 7:46 pm, David wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:36:27 -0700, Bart Bailey wrote: In posted on Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:52:28 -0800, David wrote: Begin Here we have: 780 KKOH 790 KABC 810 KGO all obliterating each other and all owned by the same company. AM is about to die. I only get KGO at night as expected, but am much closer to KABC 790 and especially XESPN 800, neither of which 'obliterate' KGO, even when D layer propagation is poor. This guy sure messes with KGO: http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine....=AM&tabSearchT... David, Usually get all these very well at Night with out any interference : KSFO 560 kHz to the West KMJ 580 kHz to the South KEAR 610 kHz to the West KFI 640 kHz to the South KNBR 680 kHz to the West KDWN 720 kHz to the South KCBS 740 kHz to the West KFMB 760 kHz to the South KKOH 780 kHz to the North KGO 810 kHz to the West KTRB 860 kHz to the West But they have to make the Trip up over the Hill and Down into the Valley. ~ RHF Twain Harte, CA North of Yosemite NP. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
Pete KE9OA wrote:
You are correct...........iBiquity didn't make that claim. The local radio station on 97.1 calls theirselves "high definition radio". When I spoke to one of the PR folks at iBiquity a couple of years ago, they made the claim that when I heard the hi fidilety capabilities of IBOC on the MW band that I would be impressed. When I asked them about eliminating the interference to the adjacent channels, they didn't have an answer. LOL...no....and why would they? iBiquity is very good at not answering questions, I've noticed. You'd think for the kind of money they get for licensing alone, they'd be a little less with the Microsoft attitude and a little more appreciative of the pigeons paying tribute. But, I expect too much. Like interference free broadcasting. What the hell was I thinking..... Pete "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Pete KE9OA wrote: Perfectly put, Brenda. IBOC is the biggest joke that I have seen in a long time. And they have the nerve to call it "high definition radio". As big a joke as Windows Vista. Pete iBiquity specifically states that "HD" in "HD Radio" does not stand for "High Definition." At one time, it stood for "Hybrid Digital," as the intent was to make the transition to full time digital only broadcasting. Today, iBiquity claims "HD" stands for nothing.... Which, if you think about it.....:) And as for the idea of apply synchronous detection to get rid of IBOC interference....yes...well....ahem.... Not so. You're not that far from me, and there is no end of IBOC rash over the stations worth hearing, up here. I think this is a solution desperately looking for a reason to execute the perpetrator. Radio isn't going to give up on this crap easily, though. Not with the investment they've already made in hardware and licensing. But it's not a solution that will bring the results Radio was hoping for. First, it's not CONTENT focussed in its marketing...And it's CONTENT that drives listening. That's why we're all so willing to sit through the noise and static to hear programs that are not broadcast locally....we're want the content, not the gimmick. (Well, except for one, whose logs reflected at most 2 minutes each of the stations in the ILG database.) Until Radio gets this, and starts creating content that listeners want to hear, and making it availble only on the digital streams, IBOC will continue to languish. No matter what HD salesmen claim. The data tells a different tune than a claim about a commission check. "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... You must have a very dull life - nothing to do but post your very stupid remarks about HD Radio. The auto industry is gearing up to add HD Radio to nearly every make and model automobile within the next 3 years or so. All 2007 BMW's now offer HD Radio as an option. For 2008, Jaguar has added the option. Also for 2008, the new luxury car being offered by Hyundai will have HD Radio as standard, I believe. And the list goes on. The same nonsense was said about FM Radio, about radio itself when television took off, about tv dinners, etc. etc. Things don't happen overnight. FM did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station. TV didn't interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM or FM station. FM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite FM station in monaural. AM stereo did not interfere with anyone's ability to listen to their favorite AM station in monaural (in fact, it enhanced the experience because of the allowed extra bandwidth. IBOC DOES interfere with people's abilities to listen to their favorite stations. Not only does AM-IBOC interfere with stations up to three channels away from an IBOC station's carrier frequency, but it has meant that the audio bandwidth now used for AM analog is little or no better than a telephone. FM-IBOC interferes with first and second adjacent channels, making them difficult or impossible to receive. And anyone who lives in a high population area, such as the east coast, knows that their 'local' stations are not the only ones they can hear. Areas between say, New York and Boston, or New York and Philadelphia, can hear stations easily from either city. Not with IBOC.. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Aug 28, 1:07 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in ... Pete KE9OA wrote: You are correct...........iBiquity didn't make that claim. The local radio station on 97.1 calls theirselves "high definition radio". When I spoke to one of the PR folks at iBiquity a couple of years ago, they made the claim that when I heard the hi fidilety capabilities of IBOC on the MW band that I would be impressed. When I asked them about eliminating the interference to the adjacent channels, they didn't have an answer. LOL...no....and why would they? iBiquity is very good at not answering questions, I've noticed. You'd think for the kind of money they get for licensing alone, they'd be a little less with the Microsoft attitude and a little more appreciative of the pigeons paying tribute. But, I expect too much. Like interference free broadcasting. What the hell was I thinking..... That's why the NAB fought tooth and nail to keep the pirates from getting a legal toehold... they wanted to use all that bandwidth so THEY could legally interfere with their competition. :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - BAD - Yes IBOC will 'localize' the Radio Market and keep Non-Local Broadcasters OUT of that "Local" Radio Market. After all the Radio Broadcasters Own the Listeners Ears ~ RHF |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
Brenda Ann wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Pete KE9OA wrote: You are correct...........iBiquity didn't make that claim. The local radio station on 97.1 calls theirselves "high definition radio". When I spoke to one of the PR folks at iBiquity a couple of years ago, they made the claim that when I heard the hi fidilety capabilities of IBOC on the MW band that I would be impressed. When I asked them about eliminating the interference to the adjacent channels, they didn't have an answer. LOL...no....and why would they? iBiquity is very good at not answering questions, I've noticed. You'd think for the kind of money they get for licensing alone, they'd be a little less with the Microsoft attitude and a little more appreciative of the pigeons paying tribute. But, I expect too much. Like interference free broadcasting. What the hell was I thinking..... That's why the NAB fought tooth and nail to keep the pirates from getting a legal toehold... they wanted to use all that bandwidth so THEY could legally interfere with their competition. :) You know, if it weren't so true, that would be funny. |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:17:15 -0700, Bart Bailey
wrote: That Ciudad Juarez station you referred to isn't heard here because of its co-channel in Tijuana. I'm line of sight (13 miles) from this one: http://tinyurl.com/2jsxjz and can still manage to pull KGO from underneath, unlike back when it was XEMM an over modulated splattering Mariachi Machine that no amount of filtration could overcome. When I lived in Phoenix I could hear X-Rock 80 at high noon in my '56 Cadillac. But that was a REAL radio. |
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In article
, D Peter Maus wrote: Stephanie Weil wrote: On Aug 27, 12:38 pm, Bart Bailey wrote: Orban's Opti-Mod I think it's called, and station personnel that can't seem to resist adjusting them for maximum smoke. Processors were always set "hot" way before IBOC came on the scene, and I never heard station audio clip and distort the way it does now on the analog side of AM HD. Reducing the available bandwith for analog to +/- 5 khz to shoehorn the digital portion sure hasn't helped either. The whole idea with HD is that you have to back off on the processing a bit. You can't overdrive digital the way you can with analog and have it come out sounding good. It's like slightly overdriving a recording on cassette tape vs. Minidisc. If you try it with Minidisc, you hit a brick wall and everything above that starts sounding like so much mush. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA Clipping has been part of audio processing since the early days of audio processing. It's usually inaudible. AM processing has been using 'smart' clipping for awhile, now. Smart clipping is not quite as hard--rounded edges--but for a number of years CRL openly hard clipped the composite baseband and let the **** fall into the filter where it may. And not all analog clipping is that objectionable. It adds even order harmonics, which are pleasing to the ear. If over done...well, that's another story...but lightly, it can be a good thing... One of the problems we have with digital audio, is the number of analog engineers applyin analog thinking to digital audio. And this applies to both recording and live audio, as well. You're right, digital audio is a brick wall at '0', and anything beyond that becomes some serious trash. Analog engineers, especially in the recording industry, routinely try to recreate 'tape compression' at the top end, by driving preamps and other pre conversion electronics mildly to their top end. Especially if they're using tube preamps. This takes a delicate hand. But who's that delicate is broadcasting, today? Not many. The most common complaint I hear about HD reception, today, and this applies to both AM and FM, is the audio quality isn't what is expected. It's not CD quality, which according to Philips and Sony was only supposed to be medium-fi in the first place. And the HD audio is nearly always loaded with some kind of distortion artifact resulting from trying to pack 5 lbs in a 4 lb bag. Snip The bit rate is not high enough for high quality sound. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Time to throw in the towel on HD Radio !
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D Peter Maus wrote: Pete KE9OA wrote: Perfectly put, Brenda. IBOC is the biggest joke that I have seen in a long time. And they have the nerve to call it "high definition radio". As big a joke as Windows Vista. Pete iBiquity specifically states that "HD" in "HD Radio" does not stand for "High Definition." At one time, it stood for "Hybrid Digital," as the intent was to make the transition to full time digital only broadcasting. Today, iBiquity claims "HD" stands for nothing.... Which, if you think about it.....:) Snip I have though about it. It stands for High Distortion. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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On Sep 1, 10:41 am, Telamon
wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: Pete KE9OA wrote: Perfectly put, Brenda. IBOC is the biggest joke that I have seen in a long time. And they have the nerve to call it "high definition radio". As big a joke as Windows Vista. Pete iBiquity specifically states that "HD" in "HD Radio" does not stand for "High Definition." At one time, it stood for "Hybrid Digital," as the intent was to make the transition to full time digital only broadcasting. Today, iBiquity claims "HD" stands for nothing.... Which, if you think about it.....:) Snip - I have though about it. It stands for High Distortion. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California Telamon - Beyond the 10mv/m Contour "HD" stands for the 'Hell & Damned' again Blinking Blue Light. ~ RHF |
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On Aug 31, 9:45?pm, RHF wrote:
On Aug 31, 6:32 pm, Zero wrote: In article . com, IBOCcrock wrote: "Is It Open Season or Payback Time for Radio Industry?" "HD Radio is yesterday's future. We're coming close to the time when the towel will be thrown in. HD Radio is not going anywhere. Worse, no radio person will ever use the HD Radio campaign to diagram successful radio advertising. To continue this chase is to throw manpower and money away. Want to read a review on one HD receiver? Try this from Wired.com. I'll give you a quote: Remember those crappy $15 AM/FM cassette radios from the 80s? The HD100 looks just like one and has the sound to match. Consumers aren't biting." http://www.audiographics.com/agd/082107-1.htm Ha Ha Struble! Ha Ha Eduardo! My Cambridge Soundworks Clock/Radio receives HD and can toggle back between analogue and HD. Admittedly, I can't tell the difference even though the Cambridge product sounds very good. Unfortunately, I live in an area where reception can be abysmal so I don't seem to get the digital stuff very often. There are times when a usually strong FM station just disappears into static on my Harmon-Kardon Stereo receiver. When I do get the HD, It's nice to see the call letters, the type of music played by that station (e.g. "Oldies" or "Classic Rock") as well as the name of the group who plays the current song. Neat. I suppose what kills so much technology is the vast array of choices. Too many choices means no choices since one cannot evaluate them all. Blue-Ray or HD-DVD? Neither! Holographic Video Disk is coming and will hold 100 GByte. The consumer is the loser in this brave new world since they were never given a vote and very few understand the technology anyway. And obsolescence is an eye-blink away. SBZ SBZ - Cambridge Soundworks makes some nice Radios ~ RHF . I like you am in a Signal Challenged Radio Reception Location beyond the 10mv/m Contour and HD Radio* has not been "The Best That It Could Be" here. * Mostly the Blinking Blue Light without a Signal Lock. . Maybe in time they will turn-up the FM "HD" Radio Power from 1% of Analog to 4~6% and then we will have a Strong and Consistant "HD" FM Sighnal to be able to Listen to and Enjoy. . . . .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Can't increase power-levels to the jamming digital saddlebags - just more interference. And, on a side-note: Hi ******, "Your letter to FCC re 'corporate thugs' quoted in Radio World, which also printed your letter to Paul Smith. Beautiful. Official of NIST requested FCC stop rollout. Articles in 01 SEP R/W also show HD gang is corrupt and delusional." |
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