"Telamon" wrote in message
...

They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations
that have good regional coverage.

All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not
care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas.

One would be enough but the number is a lot more than 25 to 30.

No, it is actually not. You are perhaps missing the point that radio markets
are not single cities or even counties. Chicago is an 11 county metro, for
example. Very few signals cover it all. Only a couple get any significant
listening outside the metro, either... despite pretty good coductivity
there.

So there are really only a handful of staitons by day, on AM, that cover
adequately outside their radio market. And at night, there are even fewer
due to interference, directionality, and the fact that AM is only listened
to lightly at night demonstrates this.

The number is basically the 25 former 1-As, plus a handful of the old 1-Bs.
No former regionals get any really useful skywave, as the channels are too
crowded. And some of the 1-As are chewed up at night by other stations, like
KFI and KNX do to the East of the LA market.

Do a nice little straight line history and project into the future the
total
AM listenership in the US and its age level. Within th enext decade, it
will
be almost entirely over 55, and down to about 6% to 7% of all radio
listening.

The only straight line I see is the HD driving listeners away evenings.
Using statistics to predict the future is foolhardy at best. You don't
know the future.

The decline of AM listening is mostly a function of age. The band "average
age" increases by 1 year every 18 months, nationally, and there are two
whole rated generations that for all practical purposes don't use AM at all
or only for some special occurrence. I steadfastly predict that Americans
will continue to age one year each 12 months, so there will be ongoing
ageing of AM listeners until the band is totally unprofitable. This will be
hastened by the current "we already read the tea leaves" move of many AM
news talk operators to transfer the format to FM and put the AM to some
other niche use until it no longer produces anything.

On Sep 30, 12:19 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations
that have good regional coverage.

All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not
care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas.

One would be enough but the number is a lot more than 25 to 30.

No, it is actually not. You are perhaps missing the point that radio markets
are not single cities or even counties. Chicago is an 11 county metro, for
example. Very few signals cover it all. Only a couple get any significant
listening outside the metro, either... despite pretty good coductivity
there.

So there are really only a handful of staitons by day, on AM, that cover
adequately outside their radio market. And at night, there are even fewer
due to interference, directionality, and the fact that AM is only listened
to lightly at night demonstrates this.

The number is basically the 25 former 1-As, plus a handful of the old 1-Bs.
No former regionals get any really useful skywave, as the channels are too
crowded. And some of the 1-As are chewed up at night by other stations, like
KFI and KNX do to the East of the LA market.



Do a nice little straight line history and project into the future the
total
AM listenership in the US and its age level. Within th enext decade, it
will
be almost entirely over 55, and down to about 6% to 7% of all radio
listening.

The only straight line I see is the HD driving listeners away evenings.
Using statistics to predict the future is foolhardy at best. You don't
know the future.

The decline of AM listening is mostly a function of age. The band "average
age" increases by 1 year every 18 months, nationally, and there are two
whole rated generations that for all practical purposes don't use AM at all
or only for some special occurrence. I steadfastly predict that Americans
will continue to age one year each 12 months, so there will be ongoing
ageing of AM listeners until the band is totally unprofitable. This will be
hastened by the current "we already read the tea leaves" move of many AM
news talk operators to transfer the format to FM and put the AM to some
other niche use until it no longer produces anything.

Instead of posting this crap, you'd better start altering your web
resume some more. Quick!

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the
stations that have good regional coverage.

All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all,
do not care about anything except the strongest groundwave
coverage areas.

One would be enough but the number is a lot more than 25 to 30.

No, it is actually not. You are perhaps missing the point that radio
markets are not single cities or even counties. Chicago is an 11
county metro, for example. Very few signals cover it all. Only a
couple get any significant listening outside the metro, either...
despite pretty good coductivity there.

So there are really only a handful of staitons by day, on AM, that
cover adequately outside their radio market. And at night, there are
even fewer due to interference, directionality, and the fact that AM
is only listened to lightly at night demonstrates this.

The number is basically the 25 former 1-As, plus a handful of the old
1-Bs. No former regionals get any really useful skywave, as the
channels are too crowded. And some of the 1-As are chewed up at night
by other stations, like KFI and KNX do to the East of the LA market.

Snip

You are full of crap. KFI and KNX come in just fine here at night. I
also regularly listen to KKOH out of Nevada, KOGO San Diego, KGO in San
Francisco to name a few. I'm beginning to think you don't live in LA
when you post this crap. They all come in well on a portable radio I
hold in my hand so drop the jealousy act over my table top radios.

You do not seem to know what can be picked up on the West coast at all.
You seem to get your information from the Internet instead of actually
listening to a radio. You are a real nut job pretender. How can you not
know about the reception I get if you live in LA? I can only conclude
you are full of crap and that you don't live in LA or anywhere on the
West coast.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...


You are full of crap. KFI and KNX come in just fine here at night. I
also regularly listen to KKOH out of Nevada, KOGO San Diego, KGO in San
Francisco to name a few. I'm beginning to think you don't live in LA
when you post this crap. They all come in well on a portable radio I
hold in my hand so drop the jealousy act over my table top radios.

Right. I said there were a handful of stations that get any kind of regional
coverarage. KFI and KNX are licensed within the market you live in, although
you are in an area outside the radio metro, but inside the TV metro
(marketing terms like MSA and DMA were set up precisely so advertisers would
know where the influence of a market's stations extends to... it's not
arbitrary.... it is based on listening) where the signals may be receivable,
but few people listen.

KOGO is probably receivable as you are near the coast. I have no usable
night signal in Glendale, as 600 is very congested inland. 780 and 810 are
former 1 B clears.

You have proven my case. Many 1 Bs shoot out over the water, but the As and
usable B's combined are not even 1% of all the radio stations in the US, and
none of them has registered skywave based listening in ratings for many,
mnay years... decades perhaps.

All we are looking at here is whether the FCC and the broadcast industry did
the right thing. A sacrifice of a quantity of listening so small it is
statistically not quantifiable looks to many to be a fair price to try to
move AM to digital and to try to "reinvent" it. I happen to think AM is too
dead to save in the long run, but standing in the way of perhaps its only
chance to survive is also not appropriate.

You do not seem to know what can be picked up on the West coast at all.
You seem to get your information from the Internet instead of actually
listening to a radio.

I can get Kota Kinabalu many mornings, but that is no indication that anyone
else in the US is listening to it. My point... what I have apparently failed
to convey to you, is that reception of night skywave signals is not how
99.999% of people want to hear radio. The levels of such reception are so
low that they do not register in radio ratings, where every listening
incident is captured, including distant stations, in the current system.

You are a real nut job pretender. How can you not
know about the reception I get if you live in LA? I can only conclude
you are full of crap and that you don't live in LA or anywhere on the
West coast.

The fact is that many LA stations are unusable to me, let alone distant
ones. The noise level is so extreme that anything but a huge signal is not
worth listening to. You are talking about a theoretical ability to pick up a
station and I am talking about what people actually do when they listen to
the radio.

Our KTNQ, a 50 kw AM, of which a decade ago I was program director, did not
have a usable night signal much of the time where I lived in Toluca Lake; it
has no consistently usable signal in Orange County, either. And guess what:
we got no diary mentions in those areas, either. Listeners don't seek out
signals that sound bad.

The fact is that many LA stations are unusable to me, let alone distant
ones. The noise level is so extreme that anything but a huge signal is not
worth listening to. ....



Just go here and you can listen to your station with crystal clarity:
http://www.knx1070.com

http://www.kfi640.com
http://www.kkoh.com
http://www.kogo.com
http://www.kgo.com

On Sep 30, 10:16 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
The fact is that many LA stations are unusable to me, let alone distant
ones. The noise level is so extreme that anything but a huge signal is not
worth listening to. ....

Just go here and you can listen to your station with crystal clarity:http://www.knx1070.com

http://www.kfi640.comhttp://www.kkoh...://www.kgo.com

SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio
* It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone

Free Over-the-Air Radio is Radio [.]

SFTV, { DOH ! - Hybrid Digital Radio Fanatic }

AM/MW "HD" Radio is 'by-design' Engineered to Interfer
with the two Adjacent AM/MW Radio Channels at 10 kHz.
http://electronicdesign.com/Files/29.../Figure_02.gif

1 - Sear This Graphic Into Your Minds Eye.

2 - Then Actually Listen To What AM/MW Radio Has Become
Due To IBOC {HD} Radio Broadcasting.

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
* Twain Harte, CA -USA-

On Sep 30, 1:16 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
The fact is that many LA stations are unusable to me, let alone distant
ones. The noise level is so extreme that anything but a huge signal is not
worth listening to. ....

Just go here and you can listen to your station with crystal clarity:http://www.knx1070.com

http://www.kfi640.comhttp://www.kkoh...://www.kgo.com

Except, if your other posts are correct, the internet could disappear
at any minute.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:23:19 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

Your methods are flawed. Listen to KGO tonight at 10P PDT. There's a
huge community happening there. Live and local to the American West.

On Sep 30, 11:26 am, David wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:23:19 GMT, "David Eduardo"

wrote:

Your methods are flawed. Listen to KGO tonight at 10P PDT. There's a
huge community happening there. Live and local to the American West.

Well no, on the weekends, don't list to KGO at 10PM. But Monday
through Friday, that is a good suggestion.

On Sep 30, 1:49 pm, wrote:
On Sep 30, 11:26 am, David wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:23:19 GMT, "David Eduardo"

wrote:

Your methods are flawed. Listen to KGO tonight at 10P PDT. There's a
huge community happening there. Live and local to the American West.

Well no, on the weekends, don't list to KGO at 10PM. But Monday
through Friday, that is a good suggestion.

M...Sushi - OK - Why Not on the Week-Ends ? - iwtk ~ RHF