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KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 18, 7:13 am, David wrote:
Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF
wrote: On Sep 18, 7:13 am, David wrote: Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF . Can you say HD Radio? C'mon it's not too many syllables so give it a try. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF
wrote: On Sep 18, 7:13 am, David wrote: Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF . IBOC. Try to pay attention Tilda Boy. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 19, 7:00 am, David wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 7:13 am, David wrote: Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF . - IBOC. Try to pay attention Tilda Boy. David - Please Re-Read Your Original Post -and- Don't Read Anything In To It : "KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night" "Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since." "I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised." Point of Fact - The Word "IBOC" does not appear in it at all. * The Words 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' are genearlly considered Analog Radio Terms. * Digital "Drop-Out" would be an IBOC {Digital} Radio Term. David - I never knew that your had an IBOC AM/MW Radio to clearly make a judgement as to where it was the IBOC Digital Signal that was the Problem with your AM/MW 'Analog' Radio reception. David - I will give you the Point that you can hear Digital Hash on your Analog AM/MW Radios that is Attributed to IBOC. -but- To Attribute : 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' to IBOC is a stretch - imho. David -Question- Do You Own an IBOC AM/MW Radio ? FWIW - This "Tilda Boy" is Paying Attention. david - now go enjoy your radios ~ RHF |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 19, 10:03 pm, David wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:12:16 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 19, 7:00 am, David wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 7:13 am, David wrote: Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF . - IBOC. Try to pay attention Tilda Boy. David - Please Re-Read Your Original Post -and- Don't Read Anything In To It : "KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night" "Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since." "I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised." Point of Fact - The Word "IBOC" does not appear in it at all. * The Words 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' are genearlly considered Analog Radio Terms. * Digital "Drop-Out" would be an IBOC {Digital} Radio Term. David - I never knew that your had an IBOC AM/MW Radio to clearly make a judgement as to where it was the IBOC Digital Signal that was the Problem with your AM/MW 'Analog' Radio reception. David - I will give you the Point that you can hear Digital Hash on your Analog AM/MW Radios that is Attributed to IBOC. -but- To Attribute : 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' to IBOC is a stretch - imho. David -Question- Do You Own an IBOC AM/MW Radio ? FWIW - This "Tilda Boy" is Paying Attention. david - now go enjoy your radios ~ RHF . Like I sez, you ain't payin' attention.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - David - Oh Never Mind ~ RHF |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 19, 10:12 am, RHF wrote:
On Sep 19, 7:00 wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 7:13 wrote: Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF . - IBOC. Try to pay attention Tilda Boy. David- Please Re-Read Your Original Post -and- Don't Read Anything In To It : "KNX 1070 exhibits severemotorboatingat night" "Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since." "I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised." Point of Fact - The Word "IBOC" does not appear in it at all. * The Words 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' are genearlly considered Analog Radio Terms. * Digital "Drop-Out" would be an IBOC {Digital} Radio Term. David- I never knew that your had an IBOC AM/MW Radio to clearly make a judgement as to where it was the IBOC Digital Signal that was the Problem with your AM/MW 'Analog' Radio reception. David- I will give you the Point that you can hear Digital Hash on your Analog AM/MW Radios that is Attributed to IBOC. -but- To Attribute : 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' to IBOC is a stretch - imho. David-Question- Do You Own an IBOC AM/MW Radio ? FWIW - This "Tilda Boy" is Paying Attention. david- now go enjoy your radios ~ RHF . David, I apologize - I am now Hearing what you described as "Motorboating" on many of the "HD" Stations in the Early Morning at about 7 AM. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 24, 10:51 am, RHF wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:12 am, RHF wrote: On Sep 19, 7:00 wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 7:13 wrote: Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF . - IBOC. Try to pay attention Tilda Boy. David- Please Re-Read Your Original Post -and- Don't Read Anything In To It : "KNX 1070 exhibits severemotorboatingat night" "Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since." "I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised." Point of Fact - The Word "IBOC" does not appear in it at all. * The Words 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' are genearlly considered Analog Radio Terms. * Digital "Drop-Out" would be an IBOC {Digital} Radio Term. David- I never knew that your had an IBOC AM/MW Radio to clearly make a judgement as to where it was the IBOC Digital Signal that was the Problem with your AM/MW 'Analog' Radio reception. David- I will give you the Point that you can hear Digital Hash on your Analog AM/MW Radios that is Attributed to IBOC. -but- To Attribute : 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' to IBOC is a stretch - imho. David-Question- Do You Own an IBOC AM/MW Radio ? FWIW - This "Tilda Boy" is Paying Attention. david- now go enjoy your radios ~ RHF . David, I apologize - I am now Hearing what you described as "Motorboating" on many of the "HD" Stations in the Early Morning at about 7 AM. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . I suppose I can try KNX this morning, but I don't see any reason for IBOC to cause motorboating. Granted IBOC sucks in many other ways, but it should not have such an effect on the analog signal. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 24, 9:13 pm, wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:51 am, RHF wrote: On Sep 19, 10:12 am, RHF wrote: On Sep 19, 7:00 wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 18, 7:13 wrote: Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since. I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised. And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF . - IBOC. Try to pay attention Tilda Boy. David- Please Re-Read Your Original Post -and- Don't Read Anything In To It : "KNX 1070 exhibits severemotorboatingat night" "Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since." "I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is definitely compromised." Point of Fact - The Word "IBOC" does not appear in it at all. * The Words 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' are genearlly considered Analog Radio Terms. * Digital "Drop-Out" would be an IBOC {Digital} Radio Term. David- I never knew that your had an IBOC AM/MW Radio to clearly make a judgement as to where it was the IBOC Digital Signal that was the Problem with your AM/MW 'Analog' Radio reception. David- I will give you the Point that you can hear Digital Hash on your Analog AM/MW Radios that is Attributed to IBOC. -but- To Attribute : 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades' to IBOC is a stretch - imho. David-Question- Do You Own an IBOC AM/MW Radio ? FWIW - This "Tilda Boy" is Paying Attention. david- now go enjoy your radios ~ RHF . David, I apologize - I am now Hearing what you described as "Motorboating" on many of the "HD" Stations in the Early Morning at about 7 AM. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . I suppose I can try KNX this morning, but I don't see any reason for IBOC to cause motorboating. Granted IBOC sucks in many other ways, but it should not have such an effect on the analog signal.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, 1 - It may be that there is a 'Predictable Point' {Distance from the Transmitter} and specific Time-of-Day when the Radio Stations Analog Signal and it's Digital Signal cause a phase mixing product that 'appears to be' {sounds like} what is classically called 'motorboating'. -Or- it may be the Radio Stations own Analog Signal with the Digital Signal of one or more of the Adjacent Channels Radio Station; that is 'causing' this audio effect. The 'Cause' May Be Unknown - But What You "Hear" Is Real. 2 - Also I am hearing more and more of what we use to call Automotive Engine {Ingition} Noise {at very High RPM} with the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio. When I first got this "HD" Radio this Noise was not as noticeable -but- now it is the 'preponderant' sound across the AM/MW Band except when there is a Clean and Clear Analog AM/MW Radio Station to listen to on any given Frequency. -NOTE- This HD Radio "Noise" Background is so strong that IMHO most 2nd and 3rd Generation "HD" Radios should have a Squelch Knob to quiet-out this Noise so that a Radio Listener only has to hear those 'local' AM/MW Radio Stations with a Clean and Clear Signal : Be it Analog or Digital. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 25, 7:13 am, David wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:13:43 -0700, wrote: I suppose I can try KNX this morning, but I don't see any reason for IBOC to cause motorboating. Granted IBOC sucks in many other ways, but it should not have such an effect on the analog signal. It's part of the IBOC signal. If you have selectable single sideband listen to any HD AM station, one sideband only; you'll hear it quite clearly. It's a warbling signal at approx. 400 Hz. David - My Point Is - I Am Hearing This With An "HD" Radio : THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO LISTENERS ! I am hearing more and more of what we use to call Automotive Engine {Ingition} Noise {at very High RPM} with the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio. THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO BROADCASTERS ! When I first got this "HD" Radio this Noise was not as noticeable -but- now it is the 'preponderant' sound across the AM/MW Band except when there is a Clean and Clear Analog AM/MW Radio Station to listen to on any given Frequency. -NOTE- This HD Radio "Noise" Background is so strong that IMHO most 2nd and 3rd Generation "HD" Radios should have a Squelch Knob to quiet-out this Noise so that a Radio Listener only has to hear those 'local' AM/MW Radio Stations with a Clean and Clear Signal : Be it Analog or Digital. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 26, 11:37 pm, RHF wrote:
On Sep 26, 11:14 pm, wrote: On Sep 25, 8:52 am, RHF wrote: On Sep 25, 7:13 am, David wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:13:43 -0700, wrote: I suppose I can try KNX this morning, but I don't see any reason for IBOC to cause motorboating. Granted IBOC sucks in many other ways, but it should not have such an effect on the analog signal. It's part of the IBOC signal. If you have selectable single sideband listen to any HD AM station, one sideband only; you'll hear it quite clearly. It's a warbling signal at approx. 400 Hz. David - My Point Is - I Am Hearing This With An "HD" Radio : THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO LISTENERS ! I am hearing more and more of what we use to call Automotive Engine {Ingition} Noise {at very High RPM} with the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio. THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO BROADCASTERS ! When I first got this "HD" Radio this Noise was not as noticeable -but- now it is the 'preponderant' sound across the AM/MW Band except when there is a Clean and Clear Analog AM/MW Radio Station to listen to on any given Frequency. -NOTE- This HD Radio "Noise" Background is so strong that IMHO most 2nd and 3rd Generation "HD" Radios should have a Squelch Knob to quiet-out this Noise so that a Radio Listener only has to hear those 'local' AM/MW Radio Stations with a Clean and Clear Signal : Be it Analog or Digital. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- . Yes, I didn't understand you were using an IBOC radio. I have no experience with one, other than trying to play with one at Fry's and not getting it to work. I notice that some of the IBOC hash does reach the analog channel, even using a very selective filter. That is, the noise floor of the analog signal is raised a bit. This is noticeable on very clean AM signals.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, The Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio was functioning in the Analogy Mode. Had a GE Superadio III sitting next to it and basically heard the same thing on it. It just may be that I am at the 'right distance' from the Radio Station's Transmitter where It's Analog and Digital Signals 'Interact' and cause the sound effect heard. -Or- More likely it is the Analog Signal of One Radio Station being Trashed by the Digital Side Band of an Adjacent Channel's Radio Station. Again being at the 'right-distance' to where the two Signals 'Interact' and cause the sound effect heard. AM/MW "HD" Radio is 'by-design' Engineered to Interfer with the two Adjacent AM/MW Radio Channels at 10 kHz.http://electronicdesign.com/Files/29.../Figure_02.gif I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- . I wonder if the iboc signal is messing with the analog AGC, making the signal motorboat. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 26, 11:37 pm, RHF wrote:
On Sep 26, 11:14 pm, wrote: On Sep 25, 8:52 am, RHF wrote: On Sep 25, 7:13 am, David wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:13:43 -0700, wrote: I suppose I can try KNX this morning, but I don't see any reason for IBOC to cause motorboating. Granted IBOC sucks in many other ways, but it should not have such an effect on the analog signal. It's part of the IBOC signal. If you have selectable single sideband listen to any HD AM station, one sideband only; you'll hear it quite clearly. It's a warbling signal at approx. 400 Hz. David - My Point Is - I Am Hearing This With An "HD" Radio : THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO LISTENERS ! I am hearing more and more of what we use to call Automotive Engine {Ingition} Noise {at very High RPM} with the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio. THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO BROADCASTERS ! When I first got this "HD" Radio this Noise was not as noticeable -but- now it is the 'preponderant' sound across the AM/MW Band except when there is a Clean and Clear Analog AM/MW Radio Station to listen to on any given Frequency. -NOTE- This HD Radio "Noise" Background is so strong that IMHO most 2nd and 3rd Generation "HD" Radios should have a Squelch Knob to quiet-out this Noise so that a Radio Listener only has to hear those 'local' AM/MW Radio Stations with a Clean and Clear Signal : Be it Analog or Digital. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- . Yes, I didn't understand you were using an IBOC radio. I have no experience with one, other than trying to play with one at Fry's and not getting it to work. I notice that some of the IBOC hash does reach the analog channel, even using a very selective filter. That is, the noise floor of the analog signal is raised a bit. This is noticeable on very clean AM signals.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M...Sushi, The Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio was functioning in the Analogy Mode. Had a GE Superadio III sitting next to it and basically heard the same thing on it. It just may be that I am at the 'right distance' from the Radio Station's Transmitter where It's Analog and Digital Signals 'Interact' and cause the sound effect heard. -Or- More likely it is the Analog Signal of One Radio Station being Trashed by the Digital Side Band of an Adjacent Channel's Radio Station. Again being at the 'right-distance' to where the two Signals 'Interact' and cause the sound effect heard. AM/MW "HD" Radio is 'by-design' Engineered to Interfer with the two Adjacent AM/MW Radio Channels at 10 kHz.http://electronicdesign.com/Files/29.../Figure_02.gif I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - M... Sushi, I can understand that yours was a valid listening experience; and please accept that mine too was a valid listening experience : After all that is part the varied nature of radio wave propagation; and the fact that while we were both about 400 Miles from the Transmitter; we were also 120 Miles apart. {Two Different RF Environments} ~ RHF |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 29, 10:06 am, John Barnard wrote:
wrote: On Sep 25, 8:52 am, RHF wrote: On Sep 25, 7:13 am, David wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:13:43 -0700, wrote: I suppose I can try KNX this morning, but I don't see any reason for IBOC to cause motorboating. Granted IBOC sucks in many other ways, but it should not have such an effect on the analog signal. It's part of the IBOC signal. If you have selectable single sideband listen to any HD AM station, one sideband only; you'll hear it quite clearly. It's a warbling signal at approx. 400 Hz. David - My Point Is - I Am Hearing This With An "HD" Radio : THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO LISTENERS ! I am hearing more and more of what we use to call Automotive Engine {Ingition} Noise {at very High RPM} with the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio. THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR "HD" AM/MW RADIO BROADCASTERS ! When I first got this "HD" Radio this Noise was not as noticeable -but- now it is the 'preponderant' sound across the AM/MW Band except when there is a Clean and Clear Analog AM/MW Radio Station to listen to on any given Frequency. -NOTE- This HD Radio "Noise" Background is so strong that IMHO most 2nd and 3rd Generation "HD" Radios should have a Squelch Knob to quiet-out this Noise so that a Radio Listener only has to hear those 'local' AM/MW Radio Stations with a Clean and Clear Signal : Be it Analog or Digital. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. * Twain Harte, CA -USA- . Yes, I didn't understand you were using an IBOC radio. I have no experience with one, other than trying to play with one at Fry's and not getting it to work. I notice that some of the IBOC hash does reach the analog channel, even using a very selective filter. That is, the noise floor of the analog signal is raised a bit. This is noticeable on very clean AM signals. I don't know if anyone has tried but is it possible to remove some of the IBOC hash on analogue signals by using DSP audio processing? JB The IBOC hash shows up in two manners. One is due to the finite slope of the analog IF. Essentially, IBOC sits in the guard band. [Of course, the guardband is now "quaint", dating back to the days when the FCC cared about protecting signals. ] Given how AM demod works, this shows up as high frequency hiss. Some of the digital hash falls into the analog channel. It sounds like noise right in the voice band, degrading the analog signal. There is no linear solution to get rid of this noise. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
"John Barnard" wrote in message news:7CvLi.18458$x%6.12229@pd7urf2no... I don't know if anyone has tried but is it possible to remove some of the IBOC hash on analogue signals by using DSP audio processing? Most stations are processing even the analog signal digitally, anyway. But HD processing is generally done separately, to preserve more dynamic range among other things. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "John Barnard" wrote in message news:7CvLi.18458$x%6.12229@pd7urf2no... I don't know if anyone has tried but is it possible to remove some of the IBOC hash on analogue signals by using DSP audio processing? Most stations are processing even the analog signal digitally, anyway. But HD processing is generally done separately, to preserve more dynamic range among other things. Audio processing not the issue. The issue is the HD side bands screwing up the analog reception. The noise for analog reception varies depending on what radio you use to receive the signal. For example I can't use the sync function on my Sony 7600G for KKGO and KNX unless I want to hear a a low frequency buzzing in the background. This was not an issue until they started the night time HD broadcasting where I would want to use sync. On the R8B and RX340 I can use sync but not side band selectable sync unless I want to hear hiss in the background. Things will continue to get worse the more digital mode is allowed to be used. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
"Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Audio processing not the issue. The issue is the HD side bands screwing up the analog reception. The noise for analog reception varies depending on what radio you use to receive the signal. Most consumer radios have no issue; when you use an RX340 for a purpose for which it was not designed, of course it sounds bad. Most listeners do not have $5000 radios... most DXers don't either. For example I can't use the sync function on my Sony 7600G for KKGO and KNX unless I want to hear a a low frequency buzzing in the background. This was not an issue until they started the night time HD broadcasting where I would want to use sync. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. On the R8B and RX340 I can use sync but not side band selectable sync unless I want to hear hiss in the background. Things will continue to get worse the more digital mode is allowed to be used. How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
David Frackelton Gleason, the 'tard boy who poses as 'Eduardo', wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Audio processing not the issue. The issue is the HD side bands screwing up the analog reception. The noise for analog reception varies depending on what radio you use to receive the signal. Most consumer radios have no issue; when you use an RX340 for a purpose for which it was not designed, of course it sounds bad. Most listeners do not have $5000 radios... most DXers don't either. For example I can't use the sync function on my Sony 7600G for KKGO and KNX unless I want to hear a a low frequency buzzing in the background. This was not an issue until they started the night time HD broadcasting where I would want to use sync. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. On the R8B and RX340 I can use sync but not side band selectable sync unless I want to hear hiss in the background. Things will continue to get worse the more digital mode is allowed to be used. How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. Yeah, that more than 24 hours in one day thing is something you've not tried to lie about... yet! |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Audio processing not the issue. The issue is the HD side bands screwing up the analog reception. The noise for analog reception varies depending on what radio you use to receive the signal. Most consumer radios have no issue; when you use an RX340 for a purpose for which it was not designed, of course it sounds bad. Most listeners do not have $5000 radios... most DXers don't either. Like it matters but I have the same issue with the Drake @ $1,500. It will be a problem with any radio that has sync. What do you mean these radios were not meant for this purpose? Are you turning into a complete nut case? For example I can't use the sync function on my Sony 7600G for KKGO and KNX unless I want to hear a a low frequency buzzing in the background. This was not an issue until they started the night time HD broadcasting where I would want to use sync. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. Since I live close to the beach I get the best reception but inland those stations do well on the car radio where I listen to AMBCB most the time usually. FM reception is not that hot around here with all the mountains just off the coast. AM usually offers better reception. On the R8B and RX340 I can use sync but not side band selectable sync unless I want to hear hiss in the background. Things will continue to get worse the more digital mode is allowed to be used. How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. More stations could be using it. The digital side bands could be increased in power or bandwidth. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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dxAce wrote: David Frackelton Gleason, the 'tard boy who poses as 'Eduardo', wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Audio processing not the issue. The issue is the HD side bands screwing up the analog reception. The noise for analog reception varies depending on what radio you use to receive the signal. Most consumer radios have no issue; when you use an RX340 for a purpose for which it was not designed, of course it sounds bad. Most listeners do not have $5000 radios... most DXers don't either. For example I can't use the sync function on my Sony 7600G for KKGO and KNX unless I want to hear a a low frequency buzzing in the background. This was not an issue until they started the night time HD broadcasting where I would want to use sync. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. On the R8B and RX340 I can use sync but not side band selectable sync unless I want to hear hiss in the background. Things will continue to get worse the more digital mode is allowed to be used. How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. Yeah, that more than 24 hours in one day thing is something you've not tried to lie about... yet! I'll just bet Eduardo could statistically find 25 listening hours a day in the Arbitron books. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
"Telamon" wrote in message ... What do you mean these radios were not meant for this purpose? Are you turning into a complete nut case? The radios were designed before HD became a standard. So they were not designed to receive analog signals when HD was being broadcast simultaneously, as the design predates HD. Duh. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. Since I live close to the beach I get the best reception but inland those stations do well on the car radio where I listen to AMBCB most the time usually. FM reception is not that hot around here with all the mountains just off the coast. AM usually offers better reception. Such marginal reception areas outside the primary contours of AMs is exactly what both the FCC and American broadcasters were willing to sacrifice to get digital capability. Everything has tradeoffs. How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. More stations could be using it. There are perhaps 250 stations in the top 100 markets that warrant use of HD; the rest are not viable full market signals. And, in that fact, is the problem with AM today... The better signals were licensed back from the 20's into the 30's, moved a bit in '28 and after NARBA, but designed to cover existing 70 to 80 year back population areas. Many growth areas have no good AMs, many AMs have been outgrown by urban and suburban sprawl, and today's noise levels all contribute to make most AMs poor HD candidates. The longer term survival of AM is certainly in doubt when many major markets have less than 10% of all listening to that band, and most of that in definitely "senior" demographics. The digital side bands could be increased in power or bandwidth. We can hope the power is eventually raised; on FM there have been studies of raising the digital signal by as much as 10 db. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... What do you mean these radios were not meant for this purpose? Are you turning into a complete nut case? The radios were designed before HD became a standard. So they were not designed to receive analog signals when HD was being broadcast simultaneously, as the design predates HD. Duh. HD is supposed to be compatible with existing radios Eduardo. Oh! I see now that was just another lie. You got me good that time. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. Since I live close to the beach I get the best reception but inland those stations do well on the car radio where I listen to AMBCB most the time usually. FM reception is not that hot around here with all the mountains just off the coast. AM usually offers better reception. Such marginal reception areas outside the primary contours of AMs is exactly what both the FCC and American broadcasters were willing to sacrifice to get digital capability. Everything has tradeoffs. Ah yes the signal strength fallback position. You are about the only person that thinks this is a good tradeoff. How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. More stations could be using it. There are perhaps 250 stations in the top 100 markets that warrant use of HD; the rest are not viable full market signals. And, in that fact, is the problem with AM today... The better signals were licensed back from the 20's into the 30's, moved a bit in '28 and after NARBA, but designed to cover existing 70 to 80 year back population areas. Many growth areas have no good AMs, many AMs have been outgrown by urban and suburban sprawl, and today's noise levels all contribute to make most AMs poor HD candidates. The longer term survival of AM is certainly in doubt when many major markets have less than 10% of all listening to that band, and most of that in definitely "senior" demographics. What can I say about your reading comprehension that is already known to readers of the news group. He did not ask why or if a station should have HD he asked how HD could be used more than it is now. The digital side bands could be increased in power or bandwidth. We can hope the power is eventually raised; on FM there have been studies of raising the digital signal by as much as 10 db. You can hope that. I don't and I think most people reading the news group would not want that either. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
"Telamon" wrote in message ... The radios were designed before HD became a standard. So they were not designed to receive analog signals when HD was being broadcast simultaneously, as the design predates HD. Duh. HD is supposed to be compatible with existing radios Eduardo. Oh! I see now that was just another lie. You got me good that time. I don't think radios that have production runs of a few hundred or a thousand or so were taken into consideration. There are relatively few radios that are incompatible by 100%... most have the "DX receivers" have the ability to change mode. Such marginal reception areas outside the primary contours of AMs is exactly what both the FCC and American broadcasters were willing to sacrifice to get digital capability. Everything has tradeoffs. Ah yes the signal strength fallback position. You are about the only person that thinks this is a good tradeoff. Most broadcasters and the FCC think this; it was the basis for approving an in band on channel system. What can I say about your reading comprehension that is already known to readers of the news group. He did not ask why or if a station should have HD he asked how HD could be used more than it is now. It will expand to the remaining good signals and to smaller markets... if AM is even around that long. The digital side bands could be increased in power or bandwidth. We can hope the power is eventually raised; on FM there have been studies of raising the digital signal by as much as 10 db. You can hope that. I don't and I think most people reading the news group would not want that either. and how many people would that be? |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:37:59 -0700, Telamon
wrote: Since I live close to the beach I get the best reception but inland those stations do well on the car radio where I listen to AMBCB most the time usually. FM reception is not that hot around here with all the mountains just off the coast. AM usually offers better reception. Same here. We have one AM station that sucks, and 1 FM station (a university station too poor to afford a satellite dish). I can get Los Angeles AM in the daytime, but at night San Francisco works much better. Canyon Country, California. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... The radios were designed before HD became a standard. So they were not designed to receive analog signals when HD was being broadcast simultaneously, as the design predates HD. Duh. HD is supposed to be compatible with existing radios Eduardo. Oh! I see now that was just another lie. You got me good that time. I don't think radios that have production runs of a few hundred or a thousand or so were taken into consideration. There are relatively few radios that are incompatible by 100%... most have the "DX receivers" have the ability to change mode. So how many Sony 7600G radios do you think were produced? If HD is supposed to be compatible with existing radios I really don't see how you logically segregate one brand from another. Duh. Such marginal reception areas outside the primary contours of AMs is exactly what both the FCC and American broadcasters were willing to sacrifice to get digital capability. Everything has tradeoffs. Ah yes the signal strength fallback position. You are about the only person that thinks this is a good tradeoff. Most broadcasters and the FCC think this; it was the basis for approving an in band on channel system. They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations that have good regional coverage. What can I say about your reading comprehension that is already known to readers of the news group. He did not ask why or if a station should have HD he asked how HD could be used more than it is now. It will expand to the remaining good signals and to smaller markets... if AM is even around that long. That is your flawed theory and you don't care do you. The digital side bands could be increased in power or bandwidth. We can hope the power is eventually raised; on FM there have been studies of raising the digital signal by as much as 10 db. You can hope that. I don't and I think most people reading the news group would not want that either. and how many people would that be? The number is not as important as the fact that this is the interest of the people that read this news group rec.radio.shortwave. I know that you are incapable of understanding that. We all have our limitations and that is just one of yours. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
"Telamon" wrote in message ... I don't think radios that have production runs of a few hundred or a thousand or so were taken into consideration. There are relatively few radios that are incompatible by 100%... most have the "DX receivers" have the ability to change mode. So how many Sony 7600G radios do you think were produced? I'd be surprised to know that they sold over 20 thousand in the US. There are various estimates, but the range is 700 million to 1 billion for all working radios in the US. Most broadcasters and the FCC think this; it was the basis for approving an in band on channel system. They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations that have good regional coverage. All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas. It will expand to the remaining good signals and to smaller markets... if AM is even around that long. That is your flawed theory and you don't care do you. Do a nice little straight line history and project into the future the total AM listenership in the US and its age level. Within th enext decade, it will be almost entirely over 55, and down to about 6% to 7% of all radio listening. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... I don't think radios that have production runs of a few hundred or a thousand or so were taken into consideration. There are relatively few radios that are incompatible by 100%... most have the "DX receivers" have the ability to change mode. So how many Sony 7600G radios do you think were produced? I'd be surprised to know that they sold over 20 thousand in the US. There are various estimates, but the range is 700 million to 1 billion for all working radios in the US. I would not know but that doesn't stop you does it. Most broadcasters and the FCC think this; it was the basis for approving an in band on channel system. They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations that have good regional coverage. All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas. One would be enough but the number is a lot more than 25 to 30. It will expand to the remaining good signals and to smaller markets... if AM is even around that long. That is your flawed theory and you don't care do you. Do a nice little straight line history and project into the future the total AM listenership in the US and its age level. Within th enext decade, it will be almost entirely over 55, and down to about 6% to 7% of all radio listening. The only straight line I see is the HD driving listeners away evenings. Using statistics to predict the future is foolhardy at best. You don't know the future. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
"Telamon" wrote in message ... They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations that have good regional coverage. All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas. One would be enough but the number is a lot more than 25 to 30. No, it is actually not. You are perhaps missing the point that radio markets are not single cities or even counties. Chicago is an 11 county metro, for example. Very few signals cover it all. Only a couple get any significant listening outside the metro, either... despite pretty good coductivity there. So there are really only a handful of staitons by day, on AM, that cover adequately outside their radio market. And at night, there are even fewer due to interference, directionality, and the fact that AM is only listened to lightly at night demonstrates this. The number is basically the 25 former 1-As, plus a handful of the old 1-Bs. No former regionals get any really useful skywave, as the channels are too crowded. And some of the 1-As are chewed up at night by other stations, like KFI and KNX do to the East of the LA market. Do a nice little straight line history and project into the future the total AM listenership in the US and its age level. Within th enext decade, it will be almost entirely over 55, and down to about 6% to 7% of all radio listening. The only straight line I see is the HD driving listeners away evenings. Using statistics to predict the future is foolhardy at best. You don't know the future. The decline of AM listening is mostly a function of age. The band "average age" increases by 1 year every 18 months, nationally, and there are two whole rated generations that for all practical purposes don't use AM at all or only for some special occurrence. I steadfastly predict that Americans will continue to age one year each 12 months, so there will be ongoing ageing of AM listeners until the band is totally unprofitable. This will be hastened by the current "we already read the tea leaves" move of many AM news talk operators to transfer the format to FM and put the AM to some other niche use until it no longer produces anything. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 29, 3:07 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"John Barnard" wrote in message news:7CvLi.18458$x%6.12229@pd7urf2no... I don't know if anyone has tried but is it possible to remove some of the IBOC hash on analogue signals by using DSP audio processing? Most stations are processing even the analog signal digitally, anyway. But HD processing is generally done separately, to preserve more dynamic range among other things. Oh, did you research this while you held a postdoctoral fellowship or something? |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 29, 5:28 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. So what? Half the stuff you say you know to be false. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 29, 8:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... The radios were designed before HD became a standard. So they were not designed to receive analog signals when HD was being broadcast simultaneously, as the design predates HD. Duh. HD is supposed to be compatible with existing radios Eduardo. Oh! I see now that was just another lie. You got me good that time. I don't think radios that have production runs of a few hundred or a thousand or so were taken into consideration. There are relatively few radios that are incompatible by 100%... most have the "DX receivers" have the ability to change mode. Such marginal reception areas outside the primary contours of AMs is exactly what both the FCC and American broadcasters were willing to sacrifice to get digital capability. Everything has tradeoffs. Ah yes the signal strength fallback position. You are about the only person that thinks this is a good tradeoff. Most broadcasters and the FCC think this; it was the basis for approving an in band on channel system. What can I say about your reading comprehension that is already known to readers of the news group. He did not ask why or if a station should have HD he asked how HD could be used more than it is now. It will expand to the remaining good signals and to smaller markets... if AM is even around that long. The digital side bands could be increased in power or bandwidth. We can hope the power is eventually raised; on FM there have been studies of raising the digital signal by as much as 10 db. You can hope that. I don't and I think most people reading the news group would not want that either. and how many people would that be? And how many degrees do you hold? |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 29, 11:36 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... I don't think radios that have production runs of a few hundred or a thousand or so were taken into consideration. There are relatively few radios that are incompatible by 100%... most have the "DX receivers" have the ability to change mode. So how many Sony 7600G radios do you think were produced? I'd be surprised to know that they sold over 20 thousand in the US. There are various estimates, but the range is 700 million to 1 billion for all working radios in the US. Most broadcasters and the FCC think this; it was the basis for approving an in band on channel system. They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations that have good regional coverage. All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas. It will expand to the remaining good signals and to smaller markets... if AM is even around that long. That is your flawed theory and you don't care do you. Do a nice little straight line history and project into the future the total AM listenership in the US and its age level. Within th enext decade, it will be almost entirely over 55, and down to about 6% to 7% of all radio listening. Don't look now, but Tardo's website resume is changing again....it's like a damned chameleon. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 30, 12:19 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations that have good regional coverage. All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas. One would be enough but the number is a lot more than 25 to 30. No, it is actually not. You are perhaps missing the point that radio markets are not single cities or even counties. Chicago is an 11 county metro, for example. Very few signals cover it all. Only a couple get any significant listening outside the metro, either... despite pretty good coductivity there. So there are really only a handful of staitons by day, on AM, that cover adequately outside their radio market. And at night, there are even fewer due to interference, directionality, and the fact that AM is only listened to lightly at night demonstrates this. The number is basically the 25 former 1-As, plus a handful of the old 1-Bs. No former regionals get any really useful skywave, as the channels are too crowded. And some of the 1-As are chewed up at night by other stations, like KFI and KNX do to the East of the LA market. Do a nice little straight line history and project into the future the total AM listenership in the US and its age level. Within th enext decade, it will be almost entirely over 55, and down to about 6% to 7% of all radio listening. The only straight line I see is the HD driving listeners away evenings. Using statistics to predict the future is foolhardy at best. You don't know the future. The decline of AM listening is mostly a function of age. The band "average age" increases by 1 year every 18 months, nationally, and there are two whole rated generations that for all practical purposes don't use AM at all or only for some special occurrence. I steadfastly predict that Americans will continue to age one year each 12 months, so there will be ongoing ageing of AM listeners until the band is totally unprofitable. This will be hastened by the current "we already read the tea leaves" move of many AM news talk operators to transfer the format to FM and put the AM to some other niche use until it no longer produces anything. Instead of posting this crap, you'd better start altering your web resume some more. Quick! |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... They didn't ask the listeners and they did not listen to the stations that have good regional coverage. All 25 or 30 of them? Most of those stations, perhaps nearly all, do not care about anything except the strongest groundwave coverage areas. One would be enough but the number is a lot more than 25 to 30. No, it is actually not. You are perhaps missing the point that radio markets are not single cities or even counties. Chicago is an 11 county metro, for example. Very few signals cover it all. Only a couple get any significant listening outside the metro, either... despite pretty good coductivity there. So there are really only a handful of staitons by day, on AM, that cover adequately outside their radio market. And at night, there are even fewer due to interference, directionality, and the fact that AM is only listened to lightly at night demonstrates this. The number is basically the 25 former 1-As, plus a handful of the old 1-Bs. No former regionals get any really useful skywave, as the channels are too crowded. And some of the 1-As are chewed up at night by other stations, like KFI and KNX do to the East of the LA market. Snip You are full of crap. KFI and KNX come in just fine here at night. I also regularly listen to KKOH out of Nevada, KOGO San Diego, KGO in San Francisco to name a few. I'm beginning to think you don't live in LA when you post this crap. They all come in well on a portable radio I hold in my hand so drop the jealousy act over my table top radios. You do not seem to know what can be picked up on the West coast at all. You seem to get your information from the Internet instead of actually listening to a radio. You are a real nut job pretender. How can you not know about the reception I get if you live in LA? I can only conclude you are full of crap and that you don't live in LA or anywhere on the West coast. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 29, 2:28 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Audio processing not the issue. The issue is the HD side bands screwing up the analog reception. The noise for analog reception varies depending on what radio you use to receive the signal. Most consumer radios have no issue; when you use an RX340 for a purpose for which it was not designed, of course it sounds bad. Most listeners do not have $5000 radios... most DXers don't either. For example I can't use the sync function on my Sony 7600G for KKGO and KNX unless I want to hear a a low frequency buzzing in the background. This was not an issue until they started the night time HD broadcasting where I would want to use sync. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. On the R8B and RX340 I can use sync but not side band selectable sync unless I want to hear hiss in the background. Things will continue to get worse the more digital mode is allowed to be used. - How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? - It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and - I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours - in the day. d'Eduardo another evasive answer : More AM/MW Radio changing over to IBOC. Higher Digital Signal Outpust from 1% to 2% to 4% to to to ~ RHF |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sep 29, 2:38 pm, dxAce wrote:
David Frackelton Gleason, the 'tard boy who poses as 'Eduardo', wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield- Audio processing not the issue. The issue is the HD side bands screwing up the analog reception. The noise for analog reception varies depending on what radio you use to receive the signal. Most consumer radios have no issue; when you use an RX340 for a purpose for which it was not designed, of course it sounds bad. Most listeners do not have $5000 radios... most DXers don't either. For example I can't use the sync function on my Sony 7600G for KKGO and KNX unless I want to hear a a low frequency buzzing in the background. This was not an issue until they started the night time HD broadcasting where I would want to use sync. The FCC did not take your reception of either station into consideration, as, unless you live right on the ocean, you are outside the contours that are going to get any protection these days. On the R8B and RX340 I can use sync but not side band selectable sync unless I want to hear hiss in the background. Things will continue to get worse the more digital mode is allowed to be used. How much more can digital (HD) be allowed to use? It is authorized 24/7 for AM and FM in the US, and I do not believe that there were more than 24 hours in the day. Yeah, that more than 24 hours in one day thing is something you've not tried to lie about... yet!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DX Ace - Clearly there is more that 24 Hours in . . . d'Eduardo's Bio ! :o) ~ RHF |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
"Telamon" wrote in message ... You are full of crap. KFI and KNX come in just fine here at night. I also regularly listen to KKOH out of Nevada, KOGO San Diego, KGO in San Francisco to name a few. I'm beginning to think you don't live in LA when you post this crap. They all come in well on a portable radio I hold in my hand so drop the jealousy act over my table top radios. Right. I said there were a handful of stations that get any kind of regional coverarage. KFI and KNX are licensed within the market you live in, although you are in an area outside the radio metro, but inside the TV metro (marketing terms like MSA and DMA were set up precisely so advertisers would know where the influence of a market's stations extends to... it's not arbitrary.... it is based on listening) where the signals may be receivable, but few people listen. KOGO is probably receivable as you are near the coast. I have no usable night signal in Glendale, as 600 is very congested inland. 780 and 810 are former 1 B clears. You have proven my case. Many 1 Bs shoot out over the water, but the As and usable B's combined are not even 1% of all the radio stations in the US, and none of them has registered skywave based listening in ratings for many, mnay years... decades perhaps. All we are looking at here is whether the FCC and the broadcast industry did the right thing. A sacrifice of a quantity of listening so small it is statistically not quantifiable looks to many to be a fair price to try to move AM to digital and to try to "reinvent" it. I happen to think AM is too dead to save in the long run, but standing in the way of perhaps its only chance to survive is also not appropriate. You do not seem to know what can be picked up on the West coast at all. You seem to get your information from the Internet instead of actually listening to a radio. I can get Kota Kinabalu many mornings, but that is no indication that anyone else in the US is listening to it. My point... what I have apparently failed to convey to you, is that reception of night skywave signals is not how 99.999% of people want to hear radio. The levels of such reception are so low that they do not register in radio ratings, where every listening incident is captured, including distant stations, in the current system. You are a real nut job pretender. How can you not know about the reception I get if you live in LA? I can only conclude you are full of crap and that you don't live in LA or anywhere on the West coast. The fact is that many LA stations are unusable to me, let alone distant ones. The noise level is so extreme that anything but a huge signal is not worth listening to. You are talking about a theoretical ability to pick up a station and I am talking about what people actually do when they listen to the radio. Our KTNQ, a 50 kw AM, of which a decade ago I was program director, did not have a usable night signal much of the time where I lived in Toluca Lake; it has no consistently usable signal in Orange County, either. And guess what: we got no diary mentions in those areas, either. Listeners don't seek out signals that sound bad. |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
The fact is that many LA stations are unusable to me, let alone distant ones. The noise level is so extreme that anything but a huge signal is not worth listening to. .... Just go here and you can listen to your station with crystal clarity: http://www.knx1070.com http://www.kfi640.com http://www.kkoh.com http://www.kogo.com http://www.kgo.com |
KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:23:19 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: Your methods are flawed. Listen to KGO tonight at 10P PDT. There's a huge community happening there. Live and local to the American West. |
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