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FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 7:01 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 6:34 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD. That's weird. I wonder why he'd yank your chain that way? He was probably just joking around. iBiquity never made claims about portables. The first mention has been in the Samsung press releases about low cost low power chips. iBiquity was constantly making claims about portables and about how they would be widely available at any time. Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can figure this one out." This is incorrect. A great deal was said and the expectation was that they'd be available very soon. Then you will have no trouble producing a link or two. Then you'd have no trouble doing your own homework, no? Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. No, they don't. Actually, they do. Like nearly all your recent posts, you show that you don't understand the radio business model and are lying about the technical issues of HD. Are you talking about the radio business or the colloidal silver business? You switch back and forth all the time and it gets very confusing. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HDwill fail.
Telamon wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. Why not? He's been into making stuff up for at least 50 years now. He's got experience. dxAce Michigan USA |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. You are making things up again. Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on us, right? Every article I could find mentioned that the chips would be low in energy consumption and in price. I found nothing referring to higher prices than existing chipset costs. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 7:01 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: iBiquity never made claims about portables. The first mention has been in the Samsung press releases about low cost low power chips. iBiquity was constantly making claims about portables and about how they would be widely available at any time. No, they never did nay shuch ting; there was no chip announced until mid-2007 that could hope to run on battery power. Then you will have no trouble producing a link or two. Then you'd have no trouble doing your own homework, no? As I though, there are no links. Like nearly all your recent posts, you show that you don't understand the radio business model and are lying about the technical issues of HD. Are you talking about the radio business or the colloidal silver business? You switch back and forth all the time and it gets very confusing. You are obfuscating with this dumb little joke... the fact is that neither you nor anyone else can prove that the Samsung chips are "more" expensive and you can not prove that iBiquity offered hope for a portable device prior to this year. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. Any reliable source reported, through Spring of this year, that there was no chip capable of the battery drain requirements of a portable. Now that Samsung and others have announced low cost low power chips, we can now predict portables around Q2 or Q3 of 2008. There were HD radios out nearly 4 years ago. However, they were really limited in production, marketed mostly to the engineering staffs of early HD stations. The HD system was developed to first get stations on, then get some early receivers, then get more stations on, then get FCC approval and then get mass production. That was the only way manufacturers could have the necessary guarantees: they wanted about half the total radio listening to be to HD equipped stations and coverage of about 2/3 of the population of the US... both goals have been achieved now. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 8:41 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. You are making things up again. Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on us, right? Every article I could find mentioned that the chips would be low in energy consumption and in price. I found nothing referring to higher prices than existing chipset costs. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You must not be looking very hard. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 8:43 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 7:01 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: iBiquity never made claims about portables. The first mention has been in the Samsung press releases about low cost low power chips. iBiquity was constantly making claims about portables and about how they would be widely available at any time. No, they never did nay shuch ting; there was no chip announced until mid-2007 that could hope to run on battery power. They did say it. Repeatedly. And emphatically. Then you will have no trouble producing a link or two. Then you'd have no trouble doing your own homework, no? As I though, there are no links. Like nearly all your recent posts, you show that you don't understand the radio business model and are lying about the technical issues of HD. Are you talking about the radio business or the colloidal silver business? You switch back and forth all the time and it gets very confusing. You are obfuscating with this dumb little joke... the fact is that neither you nor anyone else can prove that the Samsung chips are "more" expensive and you can not prove that iBiquity offered hope for a portable device prior to this year. I didn't realize that "proof" is required. Isn't Samsung's word good enough? |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 8:43 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 7:01 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: iBiquity never made claims about portables. The first mention has been in the Samsung press releases about low cost low power chips. iBiquity was constantly making claims about portables and about how they would be widely available at any time. No, they never did nay shuch ting; there was no chip announced until mid-2007 that could hope to run on battery power. Then you will have no trouble producing a link or two. Then you'd have no trouble doing your own homework, no? As I though, there are no links. If you "thought" at all, you wouldn't be carrying on with this foolishness. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 8:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. Any reliable source reported, through Spring of this year, that there was no chip capable of the battery drain requirements of a portable. Now that Samsung and others have announced low cost low power chips, we can now predict portables around Q2 or Q3 of 2008. This is incorrect. As Samsung has made clear, the chips are not low cost. There were HD radios out nearly 4 years ago. However, they were really limited in production, marketed mostly to the engineering staffs of early HD stations. The HD system was developed to first get stations on, then get some early receivers, then get more stations on, then get FCC approval and then get mass production. That was the only way manufacturers could have the necessary guarantees: they wanted about half the total radio listening to be to HD equipped stations and coverage of about 2/3 of the population of the US... both goals have been achieved now.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You need to learn to do your homework before opening your mouth. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. You are making things up again. Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on us, right? Every article I could find mentioned that the chips would be low in energy consumption and in price. I found nothing referring to higher prices than existing chipset costs. I looked around on on the Samsung web site and the only reference I could find is the original announcement #172. There is no information on engineering samples of this module. Not a good sign for its development. There should be at least a projection of samples by now according to the news release. Looks like more vaporware to me. http://www.sem.samsung.com/cms/_work/en/company/news/newsList.jsp Looks like Eduardo will be pulling that diehard battery cart so far. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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dxAce wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. Why not? He's been into making stuff up for at least 50 years now. He's got experience. Well yeah but about himself. He should stick to that. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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Steve wrote: On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. You are making things up again. Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on us, right? It will definitely be expensive in the beginning. The only way it will not be expensive in time is for that chip to become a commodity with a very large volume. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. Any reliable source reported, through Spring of this year, that there was no chip capable of the battery drain requirements of a portable. Now that Samsung and others have announced low cost low power chips, we can now predict portables around Q2 or Q3 of 2008. There were HD radios out nearly 4 years ago. However, they were really limited in production, marketed mostly to the engineering staffs of early HD stations. The HD system was developed to first get stations on, then get some early receivers, then get more stations on, then get FCC approval and then get mass production. That was the only way manufacturers could have the necessary guarantees: they wanted about half the total radio listening to be to HD equipped stations and coverage of about 2/3 of the population of the US... both goals have been achieved now. Well that a little better of you and don't neglect that portables were supposed to be just around the corner. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. Any reliable source reported, through Spring of this year, that there was no chip capable of the battery drain requirements of a portable. Now that Samsung and others have announced low cost low power chips, we can now predict portables around Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Snip Not so fast. That one news release was an announcement kickoff for the system on a chip development. Samples should be available by now according to that news release. They might have run into problems. We will see if they can solve them or if sales / management shot off their mouths. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwill fail.
dxAce wrote:
m II wrote: dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote: 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in reference to YOU, claimed: ======================================= “Some people are like slinkies...... Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. ======================================= Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall. Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall. Alcohol impairs memory and recall. Hence, your recall is not to be trusted. JB |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"David Eduardo" wrote in message et... Or the first start date was when the radios hit the shelves. Or when the much ignored HD radio sales campaign started. That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers They started making and retailing radios before the start date? The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start date? I guess those were startdates 0.2 and 0.51 or something. Or the big Christmas of 2005. Or when the 1000th HD station went on the air (even though the part makers thought HD radio was still in limbo). Or the big Christmas of 2006. Or when the new and improved encoding was implemented. So many disappointments, so many start dates. For major manufacturers, the start date was the day the FCC approved. Here's the list from early 2006: "HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15 companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic, Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE, Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon." http://www.hdradio.com/press_room.php?newscontent=23 Too bad HD radio has been flat for the pre-start manufacturers. Now that HD radio finally has major manufacturers and StartDate 1.0, there's nowhere to go but up!! Frank Dresser Too bad HD radio hasn't been a roaring success. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 2:18 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... When will there be OEM "HD" Radios for Automobiles ? Already are. Mine came with one. When is it estimated that an "HD Radio will be Standard Equipment in ALL Cars and Trucks ? No idea. That may be a while yet. If you look around on the Internet you will find a transportable that can shuttle between car and home. This notable development indicates a battery operated unit is still a long ways off if it ever happens. -- Telamon Ventura, California "U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio" http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv...7?pageNumber=1 Will never happen. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 2:29 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article . com, Steve wrote: On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Snip That's correct. The marketing bozos don't realize that HD, DRM or other digital modes will require a constant processing load in order for the receiver to function. This means there will be a constant demand for power from the batteries. One way that semiconductors can save power is by shutting down circuits from switching when they are not needed but that can't happen here. I don't expect someone like Eduardo to understand the technical details of the hurtles that need to be overcome for HD portable development. I expect Eduardo to have the first HD portable though. This portable will be held in one hand and his other hand will be used to pull the small cart with a diehard car battery to power it walking the streets of LA. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How's Eduardo ever going to hold the required AM-loop and FM-dipole antennas? |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 4:10 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:38:59 -0700, "David Eduardo" wrote: ... virtually all the "good" facilities in the top 100 markets are on... that alone represents nearly two-thirds of the US population. KFI? Yes, when they replace the tower that was felled by an airplane. Currently, the emergency facility has a high Q ATU and ugly load properties and they can not put the HD exciter on; Clear Channel has a corporate mandate for HD on all AMs. How amusing - the HD Radio Alliance's stations are jamming each other, so the AM-HDs have to cycle their exciters off and on! |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 6:34 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Explicity and frequently by iBiquity. Again, at a 2005 meeting of all or PDs and GMs, I asked, "when is a low power chip going to be available to allow portables and luggables?" The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD. I can find no reference to this. In 2004, the only chipsets were literally prototypes for very limited production sepcialt radios. Look harder. Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can figure this one out." Actually, not according to the CEO of Samsung, who predicts that their chipsets will be among the most expensive. In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. No, they don't. Yes, they do. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers They started making and retailing radios before the start date? "They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or two others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a monitor receiver at the converting stations. The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start date? This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200 million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time. "HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15 companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic, Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE, Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon." Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers They started making and retailing radios before the start date? "They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or two others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a monitor receiver at the converting stations. The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start date? This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200 million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time. "HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15 companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic, Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE, Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon." Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. According to iBiquity, the Receptor is probably the best that is achievable. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers They started making and retailing radios before the start date? "They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or two others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a monitor receiver at the converting stations. Ibiquity was blowing smoke back then? I'm shocked!!! The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start date? This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200 million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time. The dateline on the linked page is Feb. 21, 2006. To be fair, the article said the ad campaign was "As promised and ahead of schedule". I know I was hearing the ads in March or April. So maybe it was more like a year than a year and a half. You like nine months, fine. Just for the hell of it, we can call it six months. That's not the point. The point is that HD radio, for whatever reason, was being widely promoted before the buying public even knew it was well before the offical "start date". "HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15 companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic, Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE, Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon." Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. Yeah, those pre-starts were rough. A big promotion for expensive, crummy radios to receive mostly simulcasts and also-ran programming. Good luck with your next few start dates! Frank Dresser |
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"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message date? This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200 million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time. The dateline on the linked page is Feb. 21, 2006. To be fair, the article said the ad campaign was "As promised and ahead of schedule". I know I was hearing the ads in March or April. So maybe it was more like a year than a year and a half. You like nine months, fine. Just for the hell of it, we can call it six months. Yhe HD Alliance campaign started around June, 2006. That is less than a year before the FCC approval; many stations were promoting on their own prior to that, though. That's not the point. The point is that HD radio, for whatever reason, was being widely promoted before the buying public even knew it was well before the offical "start date". Any station that started HD broadcasts would, on their own, promote it. Not all are part of the Alliance, nor did all run the Alliance spots. Several of the top 10 largest broadcast companies are not even HD Alliance members, although they have HD stations running. For most manufacturers, the FCC approval was the start date. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. According to iBiquity, the Receptor is probably the best that is achievable. It had a crummy 1st generation chipset, and a lousy front end: it is nowhere near as good as the monaural non-HD Receptor. And it was discontinued. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 8:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Snip You would know better than any other poster about Miss Cleo. HD radios were originally supposed to be out more than a year ago including portables. I see you are now into revising history. Any reliable source reported, through Spring of this year, that there was no chip capable of the battery drain requirements of a portable. Now that Samsung and others have announced low cost low power chips, we can now predict portables around Q2 or Q3 of 2008. There were HD radios out nearly 4 years ago. However, they were really limited in production, marketed mostly to the engineering staffs of early HD stations. The HD system was developed to first get stations on, then get some early receivers, then get more stations on, then get FCC approval and then get mass production. That was the only way manufacturers could have the necessary guarantees: they wanted about half the total radio listening to be to HD equipped stations and coverage of about 2/3 of the population of the US... both goals have been achieved now.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If there had been any buzz with HD Radio, as with the iPhone, all of us would have heard about it. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 9:39 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. You are making things up again. Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on us, right? Every article I could find mentioned that the chips would be low in energy consumption and in price. I found nothing referring to higher prices than existing chipset costs. I looked around on on the Samsung web site and the only reference I could find is the original announcement #172. There is no information on engineering samples of this module. Not a good sign for its development. There should be at least a projection of samples by now according to the news release. Looks like more vaporware to me. http://www.sem.samsung.com/cms/_work/en/company/news/newsList.jsp Looks like Eduardo will be pulling that diehard battery cart so far. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - SiPort was also shilling for a low-power HD chipset, but no word anymore from them - must have given up. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message That was June, 2007. It was a requirement for manufactureers to begin development, even if there was no FCC approval and few receivers They started making and retailing radios before the start date? "They" is a few second or third tier specialty manufacturers and one or two others with a single offering at a high price to satisfy a need for a monitor receiver at the converting stations. The $200 million radio ad campaign was a year and a half before the start date? This was one of the requirements of the interested manufacturers.... and it actually started about 9 months prior to FCC approval of HD. The $200 million figure is the value of airtime contributed by HD Alliance stations... by no means all the HD stations on the air at the time. "HD digital radio receivers are currently manufactured by more than 15 companies, including Audio Design Associates, Kenwood, Alpine, Panasonic, Boston Acoustics, Polk, Day Sequerra, Radiosophy, Delphi, Rotel, DICE, Sanyo, Eclipse (Fujitsu), Yamaha, JVC and Visteon." Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. "But is "availability" of HD radios the problem?" "They can't find the radios even if they want one. That's one way some folks explain HD radio's sputtering sales. But now that Best Buy is coming into the fold of retailers that offer HD radio products nationwide, it will be impossible to say that "availability" is a problem, because that availability will generally be universal. Chalk off one excuse from the pile of excuses theoretically explaining HD's lack of momentum." http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/but_is_availabi.html Ramsey must be talking about you, oh Fake Hispanic! |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwillfail.
dxAce wrote:
John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: m II wrote: dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote: 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in reference to YOU, claimed: ======================================= “Some people are like slinkies...... Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. ======================================= Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall. Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall. Alcohol impairs memory and recall. Hence, your recall is not to be trusted. You're a dumbass Canuck. Therefore, like a faux Hispanic, you are not to be trusted. dxAce Michigan USA You seem to have a hard time keeping track of just how little Miami you are let alone anyone of Hispanic extraction. Lay off the booze and maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to keep track of your lineage. JB |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
In article .com,
IBOCcrock wrote: On Sep 23, 2:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article . com, Steve wrote: On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message m.. . In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .net ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Snip That's correct. The marketing bozos don't realize that HD, DRM or other digital modes will require a constant processing load in order for the receiver to function. This means there will be a constant demand for power from the batteries. One way that semiconductors can save power is by shutting down circuits from switching when they are not needed but that can't happen here. I don't expect someone like Eduardo to understand the technical details of the hurtles that need to be overcome for HD portable development. I expect Eduardo to have the first HD portable though. This portable will be held in one hand and his other hand will be used to pull the small cart with a diehard car battery to power it walking the streets of LA. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How's Eduardo ever going to hold the required AM-loop and FM-dipole antennas? The antenna will be taped to his head. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikelyAMHDwillfail.
John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: m II wrote: dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote: 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in reference to YOU, claimed: ======================================= “Some people are like slinkies...... Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. ======================================= Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall. Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall. Alcohol impairs memory and recall. Hence, your recall is not to be trusted. You're a dumbass Canuck. Therefore, like a faux Hispanic, you are not to be trusted. You seem to have a hard time keeping track of just how little Miami you are let alone anyone of Hispanic extraction. Lay off the booze and maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to keep track of your lineage. I keep track of things just fine. After all, I'm not a dumbass Canuck! |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 24, 10:31 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. According to iBiquity, the Receptor is probably the best that is achievable. It had a crummy 1st generation chipset, and a lousy front end: it is nowhere near as good as the monaural non-HD Receptor. And it was discontinued. Yes, the best achievable portable HD AM receiver crashed and burned. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 24, 10:31 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. According to iBiquity, the Receptor is probably the best that is achievable. It had a crummy 1st generation chipset, and a lousy front end: it is nowhere near as good as the monaural non-HD Receptor. And it was discontinued. Yes, the best achievable portable HD AM receiver crashed and burned. The BA Receptor HD is not portable. Never has been, never will be. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 24, 4:40 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 23, 2:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article . com, Steve wrote: On Sep 22, 8:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. Not true. The availability of portables was predicted well before 2006. Snip That's correct. The marketing bozos don't realize that HD, DRM or other digital modes will require a constant processing load in order for the receiver to function. This means there will be a constant demand for power from the batteries. One way that semiconductors can save power is by shutting down circuits from switching when they are not needed but that can't happen here. I don't expect someone like Eduardo to understand the technical details of the hurtles that need to be overcome for HD portable development. I expect Eduardo to have the first HD portable though. This portable will be held in one hand and his other hand will be used to pull the small cart with a diehard car battery to power it walking the streets of LA. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - - How's Eduardo ever going to hold the required - AM-loop and FM-dipole antennas? d'Eduardo - Presentación como Estatua de La Libertad * Antena de Lazo de Onda Media en Una Mano * La Antena de FM llevó a cabo colmo en la Otra Mano Ambos Pies puestos firmemente encendido y Radio de "HD" Me Pregunto : ¿ Qué IBOC ? ¡Toda Lo que Veo Es La Luz Azul Del Cekntelleo! ~ RHF En La Tierra Distante en donde IBOC Teme para Ir : La Vida Existe y Los Oyentes de Radio - Viven Más Allá del Contorno del 10mv/m . |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 25, 10:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 24, 10:31 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 24, 8:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Very limited lines, totaling less than a dozen models, some hard to get. Many were first generation, like the dreadful BA Receptor. According to iBiquity, the Receptor is probably the best that is achievable. It had a crummy 1st generation chipset, and a lousy front end: it is nowhere near as good as the monaural non-HD Receptor. And it was discontinued. Yes, the best achievable portable HD AM receiver crashed and burned. The BA Receptor HD is not portable. Never has been, never will be.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can fight this issue out with iBiquity. Let us know how you make out. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 24, 10:31 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
It had a crummy 1st generation chipset, and a lousy front end: it is nowhere near as good as the monaural non-HD Receptor. And it was discontinued. Boston Acoustics hasn't discontinued the HD Recepter yet. You can still purchase it from the BA website: http://www.bostonacoustics.com/home_...product_id=325 Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 25, 1:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 25, 1:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message groups.com... You can fight this issue out with iBiquity. Let us know how you make out. I have a Receptor HD right here on my desk. It is anything but portable. It is a tabletop radio. It can't run off batteries, as it has none except a penlight to hold clock memory in power failures. Funny, iBiquity disagrees. No, they don't. The radio is not portable, and can not run off battery power.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why are you telling me? Tell iBiquity. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... ! Well -if- you can't handle a simple BableFish Translation - - - Then Pardon My Span-lish ;-{ That is not Spanish. It is gibberish. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 25, 10:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... ! - - Well -if- you can't handle a simple BableFish Translation - - - - - Then Pardon My Span-lish ;-{ - That is not Spanish. It is gibberish. d'Eduardo - One man's gibberish - Is Another Man's Attempt To Communicate. d'Eduardo - More importantly you can not reply to the real Technical Issue of IBOC Broadcasting and Practical Aspect of Analog AM/MW Radio Band Listening after IBOC has been Implemented. Again you clearly don't have the sense to understand that IBOC is Trashing the AM/MW Radio Band. - - - And You Can Not Reply To This Very Practical Issue of IBOC Noise Across the AMMW Radio Band ! I made this statement as an owner of and IBOC Dual Mode {so called "HD"} Analog and Digital Radio. * Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio - - - Even With An "HD" Radio Analog AM/MW Radio Band Listening Now SUCKS Beyond {and often within} the 10mv/m Contour Due To IBOC ! As each week goes by the Digital Hash from more and more IBOC AM/MW Radio Broadcasts is getting more noticeable even on that "HD" Radio. - - - AM/MW Radio Listening Is Getting More and More Limited and Ain't Fun Anymore ! d'Eduardo - I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. . The Bottom Line - For the Most Part IBOC has resulted in the Loss of This {Me} and I suspect many more Analog AM/MW Radio Listeners. - - - Just Extended My XM Radio Subscription For Another Year and Have Started To Check-Out The Music Channels on Comcast Cable TV ! PS - No Spanish Required [.] ¡ Ningún Español Requerido ! . |
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