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FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period. And this will happen. There will be no turning back. So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band. There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially become all local. It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control technology. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 19, 12:36 am, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period. And this will happen. There will be no turning back. So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band. There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially become all local. It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control technology. You are wrong! http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 19, 12:36 am, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period. And this will happen. There will be no turning back. So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band. There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially become all local. It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control technology. You may well be right that AM IBOC will spell the end of analog AM, but it seems even more likely to me that, if AM IBOC does come to rule the AM BCB, then the AM BCB is doomed for purely commercial reasons. I'm sure that AM IBOC stations understand that they're not going to take on their FM counterparts. The only thing that will change in an AM IBOC world is that the audience will become exclusively local and all of the infomercials will be broadcast in high fidelity. It's hard to imagine a more efficient means of commercial suicide. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Rfburns" wrote in message oups.com... Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. I'm not so impressed with ibiquity. They've screwed up more than they've succeeded. Their biggest success, self-promotion, has cast an ironic light on their shortcomings. If ibiquity is going to wait it out, it's going to take money. Were's that money going to come from? From broadcasters who have to keep paying -- right now -- for the promise that significant numbers of listeners will someday strart trickling in? Or will the money come from a turnaround in sales of all those expensive HD radios? There will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period. Why not? HD needs radio sales to have a chance. Consumers have a long track record of preferring cheap radios. Most people don't think a HD radio is worth one or two hundred bucks more than a regular radio. But plenty of people will chance it for five bucks. And FM-HD is stronger than AM-HD. So it would make perfect sense for ibiquity to offer a bargain basement FM only IBOC chipset. Why not? Oh, I get it. It's that "perfect sense" part. And this will happen. There will be no turning back. Let's hope that ibiquity sees itself in lockstep with the inevitable march of history. There's always room for more inflexible knotheads in the dustbin. So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band. There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially become all local. It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control technology. The status quo is doomed, whether it's from IBOC or individualized media or whatever. Frank Dresser |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 19, 8:08 am, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "Rfburns" wrote in message oups.com... Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. I'm not so impressed with ibiquity. They've screwed up more than they've succeeded. Their biggest success, self-promotion, has cast an ironic light on their shortcomings. If ibiquity is going to wait it out, it's going to take money. Were's that money going to come from? From broadcasters who have to keep paying -- right now -- for the promise that significant numbers of listeners will someday strart trickling in? Or will the money come from a turnaround in sales of all those expensive HD radios? There will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period. - Why not? HD needs radio sales to have a chance. - Consumers have a long track record of preferring cheap radios. - Most people don't think a HD radio is worth one or two hundred - bucks more than a regular radio. - But plenty of people will chance it for five bucks. - And FM-HD is stronger than AM-HD. FD The vast majority of Consumers buy Low Cost Kitchen Radios and Bedside Radio Alarm Clocks. All The FCC Had To Do / All the FCC Has To Do is Mandate that All 'new' Consumer and Automotive AM/FM Radios sold in the USA are IBOC {Analog and Digital} Compliant by a Certain Date [.] Then over time IBOC will be forced upon the Consumer and Automotive Drivers. IMHO - It is Automotive Drivers via New Car/Truck purchases that are 'naturally transitioned' into New Radio Technologies. An IBOC "HD" Radio in every Car/Truck for Drive Time Radio Listeners to Listen To : Will Get These Radio Listeners To Want An IBOC "HD" Radio In Their Homes and At The Office. IBOC FM "HD" Radio 'fits' the FM Radio Band Plan and should be accepted by Consumer over time as a better mode of Radio Enjoyable FM Radio Listening. IBOC AM/MW "HD" Radio does not 'fit' the AM/MW Radio Band Plan and may fail; without a major revision to the AM/MW Radio Band Plan : * Fewer AM/MW Radio Stations with the Migration of most of the AM/MW Band Radio Stations to the FM Radio Band. * Greater Channel Spacing : 25 kHz vice 10 kHz * More Uniform Digital Broadcast Signal Power for all AM/MW Digital Radio Stations 500 to 2500 Watts (1:5) vice the Analog scheme of 1000 to 50,000 Watts (1:50) Note this puts the Locals at 500/1000 ~50% of their original Analog ERP -and- the Clear Channels at 2500/50000 ~ 5% of their original Analog ERP making them Regional Broadcastes. I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM- loop and external FM-dipole antennas? I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than on performance. It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell itself. Technically, ther eis no way HD will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen. Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these days. My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to play out before they give up. I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined. And, what stores sell radios anymore and who buys radios? You're kidding, right? Frank Dresser |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 20, 3:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these days. Frank Dresser I think you're dead right here. Looks to me like IBOC was practically designed as a first step toward pay radio. Steve |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 20, 12:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM- loop and external FM-dipole antennas? I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than on performance. It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell itself. Technically, ther eis no way HD will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen. Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these days. My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to play out before they give up. I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined. And, what stores sell radios anymore and who buys radios? You're kidding, right? Frank Dresser FD - IBOC Crock is a Strand-Up Guy : Obsessed by His Own Humor ~ RHF |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 18, 9:36 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period. And this will happen. There will be no turning back. So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band. There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially become all local. It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control technology. RF Burns, Yes FM "HD" Radio will drag AM/MW "HD" Radio along for the ride into a 'new age' of Digital {IBOC} Radio Broadcasting. ~ RHF |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 20, 8:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is this going to have any impact on the price of your ginseng supplement? |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:48:34 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. They should be paying people. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. You do not understand the semiconductor business. You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:23:01 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "David Eduardo" wrote in message .net... "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... Doesn't IBOC use digital technology developed by Texas Instruments? How come, three or four years later, TI hasn't already started making the low power chipsets? iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. I know ibiquity only developed the chips, but calling them ibiquity chips is a reasonable sort of shorthand. It's like all those Celene Dion CDs at the record store. I can't really blame the manufacturer. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. I think ibiquity's fees have accounted for the bulk of the price difference between a standard radio and a HD radio. And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than Samsung since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the buddies in the HD radio alliance? Frank Dresser Lucent? |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. You do not understand the semiconductor business. You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false. Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more "on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries will last, not formulae. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than Samsung since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the buddies in the HD radio alliance? The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded together to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HDwill fail.
David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as the faux Hispanic, 'Eduardo', wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. You do not understand the semiconductor business. You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false. Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more "on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries will last, not formulae. To the fake Hispanic, it's not how big the lie is, but how long he can get away with it. dxAce Michigan USA Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"David Eduardo" wrote in message . net... "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than Samsung since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the buddies in the HD radio alliance? The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded together to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it. Oops. Looks like I miscatagorized TI into the HD radio alliance. That's what I get for writing off the cuff. I could have call them one of ibiquity's "strategic partners". But that dosen't really make any difference to the question -- Why Samsung and not TI? Well, a bit of research reveals that Texas Instruments isn't just a strategic partner. They are investors in ibiquity. That's right, TI owns a share of the company which is presumeably sending business off to a competitor. http://www.ibiquity.com/about_us/investor_information So, why isn't TI making the lower power chips right now? Why didn't they start making them a couple of years ago? Could Texas Instruments have lost faith in the future of HD radio? Frank Dresser |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message . net... "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than Samsung since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the buddies in the HD radio alliance? The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded together to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it. Oops. Looks like I miscatagorized TI into the HD radio alliance. That's what I get for writing off the cuff. I could have call them one of ibiquity's "strategic partners". But that dosen't really make any difference to the question -- Why Samsung and not TI? Well, a bit of research reveals that Texas Instruments isn't just a strategic partner. They are investors in ibiquity. That's right, TI owns a share of the company which is presumeably sending business off to a competitor. Samsung is a consumer products manufacturer first and foremost... and substantially vertically integrated. Samsung's first goal is to create chips for its own products, then sell them. iBiquity wants as many different companies manufacturing receivers as possible. Anyone can license the technology and make chips. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 22, 1:38 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message .net... "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than Samsung since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the buddies in the HD radio alliance? The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded together to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it. Oops. Looks like I miscatagorized TI into the HD radio alliance. That's what I get for writing off the cuff. I could have call them one of ibiquity's "strategic partners". But that dosen't really make any difference to the question -- Why Samsung and not TI? Well, a bit of research reveals that Texas Instruments isn't just a strategic partner. They are investors in ibiquity. That's right, TI owns a share of the company which is presumeably sending business off to a competitor. Samsung is a consumer products manufacturer first and foremost... and substantially vertically integrated. Samsung's first goal is to create chips for its own products, then sell them. iBiquity wants as many different companies manufacturing receivers as possible. Anyone can license the technology and make chips.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Does this mean Samsung is getting into the colloidal silver business as well? |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and license broadcast equipment from ibiquity. Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs. You do not understand the semiconductor business. You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false. Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more "on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries will last, not formulae. I don't know what you mean by "on time" in relation to power consumption. If you meant that the new chip set consumes 1/10 the power that I could understand, but regardless the comparison should be the new chip set to a comparable analog radio and cost by the way. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HDwill fail.
David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as the faux Hispanic, 'Eduardo', wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. dxAce Michigan USA Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company, or with Univision! |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 22, 3:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. d'Eduardo -but- At What Price Range ? We are talking an AM/FM Radio that happens to be "HD" and the 'Average-Joe' Radio Listener is not going to pay Big Bucks for what he considers an AM/FM Radio. Here are three AM/FM Radios that I bought in the last year. Sony ICFS10MK2 Pocket AM/FM Radio ~$11 http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4030071 Panasonic RF-2400 AM / FM Radio ~$17 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00007KDX6/ Sangean DT-200VX 'Pocket" Radio ~$65 http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...alty/4117.html ALL UNDER $100 and TWO UNDER $25 "HD" Radios Won't Sell -If- They Cost Too Much ! I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. It's not going to happen in 2008 either due to current demand required to support the processing needed for HD. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. It's not going to happen in 2008 either due to current demand required to support the processing needed for HD. -- Telamon Ventura, California Those things should be really good on batteries... as there is no 'current demand' for them. :) :) |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. In a luncheon address to the Program Directors and Managers I work with, in 2005, the CEO of iBiquity stated that there was no chip capable of portable usage and that there were no portables in the immediate future. This was the story everyone in the industry heard, so nobody in radio was talking about portables in '06 as there were none, none were planned and the HD system was not even approved.. First, the FCC had not approved HD. No company was going to take the risk of spending on a chip design which would be useless if the FCC did not approve; many were worried the FCC might change the standard, requiring chip revisions. Now, they can safely proceed. The moist significant development is the entry of Samsung, the largest consumer electronics company in the world. This pretty much guarantees lower prices and broad availability of chips and, consequently, radios. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 22, 5:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. In a luncheon address to the Program Directors and Managers I work with, in 2005, the CEO of iBiquity stated that there was no chip capable of portable usage and that there were no portables in the immediate future. This was the story everyone in the industry heard, so nobody in radio was talking about portables in '06 as there were none, none were planned and the HD system was not even approved.. First, the FCC had not approved HD. No company was going to take the risk of spending on a chip design which would be useless if the FCC did not approve; many were worried the FCC might change the standard, requiring chip revisions. Now, they can safely proceed. The moist significant development is the entry of Samsung, the largest consumer electronics company in the world. This pretty much guarantees lower prices and broad availability of chips and, consequently, radios.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - d'Eduardo, IMHO - "HD" AM & FM Radio will Live or Die : If-and-When there are "HD" AM & FM Radios in Every Car and Truck : When will there be OEM "HD" Radios for Automobiles ? When is it estimated that an "HD Radio will be Standard Equipment in ALL Cars and Trucks ? I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"RHF" wrote in message ps.com... When will there be OEM "HD" Radios for Automobiles ? Already are. Mine came with one. When is it estimated that an "HD Radio will be Standard Equipment in ALL Cars and Trucks ? No idea. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHD will fail.
dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote: 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in reference to YOU, claimed: ======================================= “Some people are like slinkies...... Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. ======================================= Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall. mike |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwill fail.
m II wrote: dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote: 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in reference to YOU, claimed: ======================================= “Some people are like slinkies...... Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. ======================================= Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall. Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwill fail.
dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:wrote: m II wrote: dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote: 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in reference to YOU, claimed: ======================================= “Some people are like slinkies...... Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. ======================================= Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall. Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall. yawwwwnnnnnn... So, how many Mexicans did you kill last night, Ace? When will your Militia be taking on the US Government? When will you sober up? So many questions, so little time. mike |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHD will fail.
Brenda Ann wrote:
Those things should be really good on batteries... as there is no 'current demand' for them. :) :) Forty thousand comedians out of work and YOU are trying to be funny... mike |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 22, 5:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets. So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I can see there are none. Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008. Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006. In a luncheon address to the Program Directors and Managers I work with, in 2005, the CEO of iBiquity stated that there was no chip capable of portable usage and that there were no portables in the immediate future. This was the story everyone in the industry heard, so nobody in radio was talking about portables in '06 as there were none, none were planned and the HD system was not even approved.. First, the FCC had not approved HD. No company was going to take the risk of spending on a chip design which would be useless if the FCC did not approve; many were worried the FCC might change the standard, requiring chip revisions. Now, they can safely proceed. - The moist significant development is the entry of Samsung, - the largest consumer electronics company in the world. This pretty much guarantees lower prices and broad availability of chips and, consequently, radios. Warning d'Eduardo is going into a High-Powered Presentation Speak Mode : "The Moist Significant Development Is The Entry Of Samsung, The Largest Consumer Electronics Company In The World." -add echo effect- in the world, In The World. IN THE WORLD ! "HD" Radio . . . For Those Who Really Want To Hear Radio ! ™ just for the fun of it ~ RHF . |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwillfail.
m II wrote: dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:wrote: m II wrote: dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote: 2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in 2000. That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in reference to YOU, claimed: ======================================= “Some people are like slinkies...... Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. ======================================= Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall. Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall. yawwwwnnnnnn... So, how many Mexicans did you kill last night, Ace? When will your Militia be taking on the US Government? When will you sober up? So many questions, so little time. That's CanaDuh! |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Explicity and frequently by iBiquity. Again, at a 2005 meeting of all or PDs and GMs, I asked, "when is a low power chip going to be available to allow portables and luggables?" The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD. I can find no reference to this. In 2004, the only chipsets were literally prototypes for very limited production sepcialt radios. Look harder. Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can figure this one out." Actually, not according to the CEO of Samsung, who predicts that their chipsets will be among the most expensive. In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. No, they don't. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 6:34 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were discussing this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by calling Miss Cleo. Explicity and frequently by iBiquity. Again, at a 2005 meeting of all or PDs and GMs, I asked, "when is a low power chip going to be available to allow portables and luggables?" The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD. That's weird. I wonder why he'd yank your chain that way? He was probably just joking around. I can find no reference to this. In 2004, the only chipsets were literally prototypes for very limited production sepcialt radios. Look harder. Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can figure this one out." This is incorrect. A great deal was said and the expectation was that they'd be available very soon. Actually, not according to the CEO of Samsung, who predicts that their chipsets will be among the most expensive. In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. No, they don't. Actually, they do. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. You are making things up again. Typical news item... there are dozens to be found searching on Samsung +ibiquity +hd... Samsung developing new chipset for HD Radio Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 9:49 AM Samsung said they will introduce a new low-power, low-cost chipset for HD Radio receivers. These new chipsets will be an important step in the development of portable HD Radios. Samsung figures that samples of the chipset will be available before the end of the 2007 - and production anticipated for the first quarter of 2008. The low-power, high-performance chip will be capable of supporting all current and planned HD Radio technology features. It is being designed and manufactured using advanced technology and features a System-in-Package (SIP) module and a CMOS, mixed-signal single-chip tuner. Target HD Radio applications include: mobile phones, portable media players, portable navigation devices, table radios and home audio-video components. If HD Radio is able to integrate into mobile phones and portable media players before satellite radio does, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 6:34 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD. That's weird. I wonder why he'd yank your chain that way? He was probably just joking around. iBiquity never made claims about portables. The first mention has been in the Samsung press releases about low cost low power chips. Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can figure this one out." This is incorrect. A great deal was said and the expectation was that they'd be available very soon. Then you will have no trouble producing a link or two. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. No, they don't. Actually, they do. Like nearly all your recent posts, you show that you don't understand the radio business model and are lying about the technical issues of HD. For example: Samsung developing new chipset for HD Radio Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 9:49 AM Samsung said they will introduce a new low-power, low-cost chipset for HD Radio receivers. These new chipsets will be an important step in the development of portable HD Radios. Samsung figures that samples of the chipset will be available before the end of the 2007 - and production anticipated for the first quarter of 2008. The low-power, high-performance chip will be capable of supporting all current and planned HD Radio technology features. It is being designed and manufactured using advanced technology and features a System-in-Package (SIP) module and a CMOS, mixed-signal single-chip tuner. Target HD Radio applications include: mobile phones, portable media players, portable navigation devices, table radios and home audio-video components. If HD Radio is able to integrate into mobile phones and portable media players before satellite radio does, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. |
FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website. Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very expensive indeed. You are making things up again. Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on us, right? |
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