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Rfburns September 19th 07 05:36 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.


IBOCcrock September 19th 07 02:33 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 19, 12:36 am, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.


You are wrong!

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html


Steve September 19th 07 02:52 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 19, 12:36 am, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.


You may well be right that AM IBOC will spell the end of analog AM,
but it seems even more likely to me that, if AM IBOC does come to rule
the AM BCB, then the AM BCB is doomed for purely commercial reasons.
I'm sure that AM IBOC stations understand that they're not going to
take on their FM counterparts. The only thing that will change in an
AM IBOC world is that the audience will become exclusively local and
all of the infomercials will be broadcast in high fidelity. It's hard
to imagine a more efficient means of commercial suicide.


Frank Dresser September 19th 07 04:08 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Rfburns" wrote in message
oups.com...
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio.


I'm not so impressed with ibiquity. They've screwed up more than they've
succeeded. Their biggest success, self-promotion, has cast an ironic light
on their shortcomings. If ibiquity is going to wait it out, it's going to
take money. Were's that money going to come from? From broadcasters who
have to keep paying -- right now -- for the promise that significant
numbers of listeners will someday strart trickling in? Or will the money
come from a turnaround in sales of all those expensive HD radios?

There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.


Why not? HD needs radio sales to have a chance. Consumers have a long
track record of preferring cheap radios. Most people don't think a HD radio
is worth one or two hundred bucks more than a regular radio. But plenty of
people will chance it for five bucks. And FM-HD is stronger than AM-HD.

So it would make perfect sense for ibiquity to offer a bargain basement FM
only IBOC chipset.

Why not? Oh, I get it. It's that "perfect sense" part.



And this will happen. There will be no turning back.


Let's hope that ibiquity sees itself in lockstep with the inevitable march
of history. There's always room for more inflexible knotheads in the
dustbin.


So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.


The status quo is doomed, whether it's from IBOC or individualized media or
whatever.

Frank Dresser



RHF September 19th 07 05:18 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 19, 8:08 am, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

oups.com...

Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio.


I'm not so impressed with ibiquity. They've screwed up more than they've
succeeded. Their biggest success, self-promotion, has cast an ironic light
on their shortcomings. If ibiquity is going to wait it out, it's going to
take money. Were's that money going to come from? From broadcasters who
have to keep paying -- right now -- for the promise that significant
numbers of listeners will someday strart trickling in? Or will the money
come from a turnaround in sales of all those expensive HD radios?

There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.


- Why not? HD needs radio sales to have a chance.
- Consumers have a long track record of preferring cheap radios.
- Most people don't think a HD radio is worth one or two hundred
- bucks more than a regular radio.
- But plenty of people will chance it for five bucks.
- And FM-HD is stronger than AM-HD.

FD
The vast majority of Consumers buy Low Cost Kitchen Radios
and Bedside Radio Alarm Clocks.

All The FCC Had To Do / All the FCC Has To Do is Mandate
that All 'new' Consumer and Automotive AM/FM Radios sold
in the USA are IBOC {Analog and Digital} Compliant by a
Certain Date [.]

Then over time IBOC will be forced upon the Consumer and
Automotive Drivers.

IMHO - It is Automotive Drivers via New Car/Truck purchases
that are 'naturally transitioned' into New Radio Technologies.

An IBOC "HD" Radio in every Car/Truck for Drive Time Radio
Listeners to Listen To : Will Get These Radio Listeners To
Want An IBOC "HD" Radio In Their Homes and At The Office.

IBOC FM "HD" Radio 'fits' the FM Radio Band Plan
and should be accepted by Consumer over time as
a better mode of Radio Enjoyable FM Radio Listening.

IBOC AM/MW "HD" Radio does not 'fit' the AM/MW Radio
Band Plan and may fail; without a major revision to the
AM/MW Radio Band Plan :
* Fewer AM/MW Radio Stations with the Migration
of most of the AM/MW Band Radio Stations to the
FM Radio Band.
* Greater Channel Spacing : 25 kHz vice 10 kHz
* More Uniform Digital Broadcast Signal Power for all
AM/MW Digital Radio Stations 500 to 2500 Watts (1:5)
vice the Analog scheme of 1000 to 50,000 Watts (1:50)
Note this puts the Locals at 500/1000 ~50% of their
original Analog ERP -and- the Clear Channels at
2500/50000 ~ 5% of their original Analog ERP making
them Regional Broadcastes.

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.

Frank Dresser September 20th 07 08:01 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
ups.com...



And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable
HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM-
loop and external FM-dipole antennas?


I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of
these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is
that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than
on performance.

It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell
itself.


Technically, ther eis no way HD
will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset
and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen.


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to
play out before they give up.

I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined.


And, what stores
sell radios anymore and who buys radios?


You're kidding, right?


Frank Dresser



Steve September 20th 07 08:11 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 20, 3:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

Frank Dresser


I think you're dead right here. Looks to me like IBOC was practically
designed as a first step toward pay radio.

Steve


RHF September 20th 07 09:00 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 20, 12:01 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...



And, how are consumers ever going to get good reception with portable
HD (don't forget that HD needs power bricks), as table-top needs AM-
loop and external FM-dipole antennas?


I think it can be done. I can imagine a few technical reasons why most of
these radios are mediocre performers, but I'm thinking the biggest reason is
that these radios designs are based on some marketing illusions, rather than
on performance.

It might start becoming obvious, even to ibiquity, that digital doesn't sell
itself.

Technically, ther eis no way HD
will ever work...period. $5 HD radios - with the expensive HD chipset
and licensing fees to iBiquity, it will never happen.


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

And I fully expect the pay radio variation of IBOC to show up one of these
days.

My point is that ibiquity and the broadcasters have still have options to
play out before they give up.

I just don't think the conclusion of this mess is yet determined.

And, what stores
sell radios anymore and who buys radios?


You're kidding, right?

Frank Dresser


FD - IBOC Crock is a Strand-Up Guy :
Obsessed by His Own Humor ~ RHF

RHF September 20th 07 09:03 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 18, 9:36 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Since FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's very, very
unlikely AM HD will fail. Since both systems were hatched by iBiquity
they will both be force fed to the consumer untill such a time, in the
future, when the FCC sets a date for the end of analog radio. There
will be no FM HD without AM HD ....period.

And this will happen. There will be no turning back.

So all of us who have loved traditional radio are out of luck. It's
that simple. The days of listening to a distant station coming via
the ionosphere are over - at least on the standard broadcast band.
There will be no more 50KW blowtorches and AM radio will essentially
become all local.

It's sad to see another pleasant thing pass due to out-of-control
technology.


RF Burns,

Yes FM "HD" Radio will drag AM/MW "HD" Radio
along for the ride into a 'new age' of Digital {IBOC}
Radio Broadcasting.

~ RHF

David Eduardo[_4_] September 21st 07 01:48 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.


Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.




Steve September 21st 07 02:46 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 20, 8:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message

...



Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.


Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.



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Is this going to have any impact on the price of your ginseng
supplement?


David September 21st 07 03:12 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:48:34 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.


Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


They should be paying people.

Telamon September 22nd 07 12:58 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.


Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David September 22nd 07 03:48 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:23:01 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.net...

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead

in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the

chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.


Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive protables
possible...


Doesn't IBOC use digital technology developed by Texas Instruments? How
come, three or four years later, TI hasn't already started making the low
power chipsets?


iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business.


I know ibiquity only developed the chips, but calling them ibiquity chips is
a reasonable sort of shorthand. It's like all those Celene Dion CDs at the
record store. I can't really blame the manufacturer.


The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.




I think ibiquity's fees have accounted for the bulk of the price difference
between a standard radio and a HD radio.

And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than Samsung
since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the
buddies in the HD radio alliance?


Frank Dresser

Lucent?

David Eduardo[_4_] September 22nd 07 05:04 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead
in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the
chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.


Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at
low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive
protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.


Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD
chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more
"on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for
analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries
will last, not formulae.



David Eduardo[_4_] September 22nd 07 05:06 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than
Samsung
since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the
buddies in the HD radio alliance?


The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded together
to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither
iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it.



dxAce September 22nd 07 05:11 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HDwill fail.
 


David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as the faux Hispanic, 'Eduardo', wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead
in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the
chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at
low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive
protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.


Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD
chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more
"on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for
analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries
will last, not formulae.


To the fake Hispanic, it's not how big the lie is, but how long he can get away
with it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.



Frank Dresser September 22nd 07 06:13 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than
Samsung
since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of the
buddies in the HD radio alliance?


The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded together
to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither
iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it.



Oops. Looks like I miscatagorized TI into the HD radio alliance. That's
what I get for writing off the cuff. I could have call them one of
ibiquity's "strategic partners". But that dosen't really make any
difference to the question -- Why Samsung and not TI?

Well, a bit of research reveals that Texas Instruments isn't just a
strategic partner. They are investors in ibiquity. That's right, TI owns a
share of the company which is presumeably sending business off to a
competitor.

http://www.ibiquity.com/about_us/investor_information

So, why isn't TI making the lower power chips right now? Why didn't they
start making them a couple of years ago?

Could Texas Instruments have lost faith in the future of HD radio?

Frank Dresser



David Eduardo[_4_] September 22nd 07 06:38 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than
Samsung
since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of
the
buddies in the HD radio alliance?


The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded
together
to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither
iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it.



Oops. Looks like I miscatagorized TI into the HD radio alliance. That's
what I get for writing off the cuff. I could have call them one of
ibiquity's "strategic partners". But that dosen't really make any
difference to the question -- Why Samsung and not TI?

Well, a bit of research reveals that Texas Instruments isn't just a
strategic partner. They are investors in ibiquity. That's right, TI owns
a
share of the company which is presumeably sending business off to a
competitor.


Samsung is a consumer products manufacturer first and foremost... and
substantially vertically integrated. Samsung's first goal is to create chips
for its own products, then sell them. iBiquity wants as many different
companies manufacturing receivers as possible. Anyone can license the
technology and make chips.



Steve September 22nd 07 06:59 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 22, 1:38 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message

...







"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.net...


"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


And wouldn't Texas Instruments get an even lower licensing fee than
Samsung
since some of the technology is already owned by TI and TI is one of
the
buddies in the HD radio alliance?


The HD Alliance is a group of large radio broadcasters who banded
together
to create a unified on-air ad campaign and marketing materials. Neither
iBiquity nor TI have anything to do with it.


Oops. Looks like I miscatagorized TI into the HD radio alliance. That's
what I get for writing off the cuff. I could have call them one of
ibiquity's "strategic partners". But that dosen't really make any
difference to the question -- Why Samsung and not TI?


Well, a bit of research reveals that Texas Instruments isn't just a
strategic partner. They are investors in ibiquity. That's right, TI owns
a
share of the company which is presumeably sending business off to a
competitor.


Samsung is a consumer products manufacturer first and foremost... and
substantially vertically integrated. Samsung's first goal is to create chips
for its own products, then sell them. iBiquity wants as many different
companies manufacturing receivers as possible. Anyone can license the
technology and make chips.- Hide quoted text -

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Does this mean Samsung is getting into the colloidal silver business
as well?


Telamon September 22nd 07 07:14 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...


Ibiquity sets the price of their chipsets. If radio sales remain dead
in
the water, they might decide they need a new game plan. Selling the
chips
cheap might encourage most of the rest of the broadcasters to buy and
license broadcast equipment from ibiquity.

Several fabs will be selling chipsets in Q1, starting with Samsung, at
low
prices and in power saving designs capable of making competitive
protables
possible... iBiquity is in the development, not the chip business. The
license fees are not as high as people think for the third party fabs.


You do not understand the semiconductor business.

You are making illusions to "low power" designs that are false.


Radio World ran some "battery life" comparisons of a first generation HD
chip to the design spec consumption of the Samsung chip.... 10 times more
"on time" than the early chip, and acceptable comparisons to consumption for
analog signal reception. To the consumer, it's about how long the batteries
will last, not formulae.


I don't know what you mean by "on time" in relation to power
consumption. If you meant that the new chip set consumes 1/10 the power
that I could understand, but regardless the comparison should be the new
chip set to a comparable analog radio and cost by the way.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo[_4_] September 22nd 07 11:13 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.

So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.

Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.



dxAce September 22nd 07 11:19 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HDwill fail.
 


David Frackelton Gleason, still posing as the faux Hispanic, 'Eduardo', wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.

So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.

Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.


2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in
2000.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company, or with Univision!



RHF September 22nd 07 11:37 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 22, 3:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...

Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.


So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.


Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.


d'Eduardo -but- At What Price Range ?

We are talking an AM/FM Radio that happens to be "HD"
and the 'Average-Joe' Radio Listener is not going to pay
Big Bucks for what he considers an AM/FM Radio.

Here are three AM/FM Radios that I bought in the last year.

Sony ICFS10MK2 Pocket AM/FM Radio ~$11
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4030071

Panasonic RF-2400 AM / FM Radio ~$17
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00007KDX6/

Sangean DT-200VX 'Pocket" Radio ~$65
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...alty/4117.html

ALL UNDER $100 and TWO UNDER $25

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Telamon September 23rd 07 12:54 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.

So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.

Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.


Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those
posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. It's not
going to happen in 2008 either due to current demand required to support
the processing needed for HD.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Brenda Ann September 23rd 07 01:14 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.

So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.

Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables
and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.


Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those
posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006. It's not
going to happen in 2008 either due to current demand required to support
the processing needed for HD.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Those things should be really good on batteries... as there is no 'current
demand' for them. :) :)




David Eduardo[_4_] September 23rd 07 01:52 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.

So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.

Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables
and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.


Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those
posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006.


Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006.
In a luncheon address to the Program Directors and Managers I work with, in
2005, the CEO of iBiquity stated that there was no chip capable of portable
usage and that there were no portables in the immediate future. This was the
story everyone in the industry heard, so nobody in radio was talking about
portables in '06 as there were none, none were planned and the HD system was
not even approved..

First, the FCC had not approved HD. No company was going to take the risk of
spending on a chip design which would be useless if the FCC did not approve;
many were worried the FCC might change the standard, requiring chip
revisions. Now, they can safely proceed.

The moist significant development is the entry of Samsung, the largest
consumer electronics company in the world. This pretty much guarantees lower
prices and broad availability of chips and, consequently, radios.



RHF September 23rd 07 02:15 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 22, 5:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...





In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
...


Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.


So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.


Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables
and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.


Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those
posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006.


Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006.
In a luncheon address to the Program Directors and Managers I work with, in
2005, the CEO of iBiquity stated that there was no chip capable of portable
usage and that there were no portables in the immediate future. This was the
story everyone in the industry heard, so nobody in radio was talking about
portables in '06 as there were none, none were planned and the HD system was
not even approved..

First, the FCC had not approved HD. No company was going to take the risk of
spending on a chip design which would be useless if the FCC did not approve;
many were worried the FCC might change the standard, requiring chip
revisions. Now, they can safely proceed.

The moist significant development is the entry of Samsung, the largest
consumer electronics company in the world. This pretty much guarantees lower
prices and broad availability of chips and, consequently, radios.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


d'Eduardo,

IMHO - "HD" AM & FM Radio will Live or Die : If-and-When
there are "HD" AM & FM Radios in Every Car and Truck :

When will there be OEM "HD" Radios for Automobiles ?

When is it estimated that an "HD Radio will be Standard
Equipment in ALL Cars and Trucks ?

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.

David Eduardo[_4_] September 23rd 07 02:43 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"RHF" wrote in message
ps.com...

When will there be OEM "HD" Radios for Automobiles ?


Already are. Mine came with one.

When is it estimated that an "HD Radio will be Standard
Equipment in ALL Cars and Trucks ?


No idea.



m II September 23rd 07 06:28 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHD will fail.
 
dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:

2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in
2000.



That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in
reference to YOU, claimed:

=======================================
“Some people are like slinkies......
Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your
face when you push them down the stairs.
=======================================


Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall.






mike

dxAce September 23rd 07 06:41 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwill fail.
 


m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:

2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in
2000.


That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in
reference to YOU, claimed:

=======================================
“Some people are like slinkies......
Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your
face when you push them down the stairs.
=======================================

Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall.


Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall.



m II September 23rd 07 08:10 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwill fail.
 
dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:wrote:



m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:

2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in
2000.

That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in
reference to YOU, claimed:

=======================================
“Some people are like slinkies......
Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your
face when you push them down the stairs.
=======================================

Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall.


Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall.




yawwwwnnnnnn...

So, how many Mexicans did you kill last night, Ace? When will your
Militia be taking on the US Government? When will you sober up?


So many questions, so little time.




mike

m II September 23rd 07 08:12 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHD will fail.
 
Brenda Ann wrote:

Those things should be really good on batteries... as there is no 'current
demand' for them. :) :)



Forty thousand comedians out of work and YOU are trying to be funny...






mike

RHF September 23rd 07 11:29 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 22, 5:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...





In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
...


Alright then the amount of time the radio plays. That comment didn't
quite fit in with semiconductor chip sets.


So can you point me to a HD portable that runs off batteries? Far as I
can see there are none.


Your reading comprehension really bites, doesn't it? I have said multiple
times that there will be a minimum of two and as many as 4 low power
consumption HD chips shipping in Q1 of 2008; these will enable portables
and
boom boxes of all sizes and we should see the first in Q2 or Q3 of 2008.


Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension since I did not read those
posts bozo. The posts I read spoke of portables back in 2006.


Nobody with any actual knowledge thought there would be portables in 2006.
In a luncheon address to the Program Directors and Managers I work with, in
2005, the CEO of iBiquity stated that there was no chip capable of portable
usage and that there were no portables in the immediate future. This was the
story everyone in the industry heard, so nobody in radio was talking about
portables in '06 as there were none, none were planned and the HD system was
not even approved..

First, the FCC had not approved HD. No company was going to take the risk of
spending on a chip design which would be useless if the FCC did not approve;
many were worried the FCC might change the standard, requiring chip
revisions. Now, they can safely proceed.

- The moist significant development is the entry of Samsung,
- the largest consumer electronics company in the world.

This pretty much guarantees lower prices and broad
availability of chips and, consequently, radios.


Warning d'Eduardo is going into a
High-Powered Presentation Speak Mode :

"The Moist Significant Development Is The Entry Of Samsung,
The Largest Consumer Electronics Company In The World."
-add echo effect- in the world, In The World. IN THE WORLD !

"HD" Radio . . . For Those Who Really Want To Hear Radio ! ™

just for the fun of it ~ RHF
.



dxAce September 23rd 07 12:28 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AMHDwillfail.
 


m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:wrote:


m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Creator of all Universes and Supreme Commander United
Militias (S.C.U.M.) wrote:

2008! Damn, time sure has flown by since you adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick back in
2000.
That reminds me..it's been DECADES since your foster family, in
reference to YOU, claimed:

=======================================
“Some people are like slinkies......
Not really good for anything, but they will still bring a smile to your
face when you push them down the stairs.
=======================================

Remember how long you were in a body cast? Three months, if I recall.


Remember how long you've been a dumbass Canuck? Since you were born, if I recall.



yawwwwnnnnnn...

So, how many Mexicans did you kill last night, Ace? When will your
Militia be taking on the US Government? When will you sober up?

So many questions, so little time.


That's CanaDuh!



David Eduardo[_4_] September 23rd 07 11:34 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...


Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were
discussing
this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by
calling Miss Cleo.



Explicity and frequently by iBiquity.


Again, at a 2005 meeting of all or PDs and GMs, I asked, "when is a low
power chip going to be available to allow portables and luggables?"

The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being
planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how
he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more
efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD.

I can find no reference to this. In 2004, the only chipsets were
literally
prototypes for very limited production sepcialt radios.


Look harder.


Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can
figure this one out."


Actually, not according to the CEO of Samsung, who predicts that their
chipsets will be among the most expensive.


In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the
existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website.


Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very
expensive indeed.


No, they don't.



Steve September 23rd 07 11:42 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 23, 6:34 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...



Not by either iBiquity or receiver manufacturers. Those who were
discussing
this possibility were speculating, and we could have had better data by
calling Miss Cleo.


Explicity and frequently by iBiquity.


Again, at a 2005 meeting of all or PDs and GMs, I asked, "when is a low
power chip going to be available to allow portables and luggables?"

The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being
planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and how
he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create more
efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD.


That's weird. I wonder why he'd yank your chain that way? He was
probably just joking around.


I can find no reference to this. In 2004, the only chipsets were
literally
prototypes for very limited production sepcialt radios.


Look harder.


Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can
figure this one out."



This is incorrect. A great deal was said and the expectation was that
they'd be available very soon.




Actually, not according to the CEO of Samsung, who predicts that their
chipsets will be among the most expensive.


In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the
existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website.


Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very
expensive indeed.


No, they don't.


Actually, they do.



David Eduardo[_4_] September 23rd 07 11:44 PM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the
existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website.


Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very
expensive indeed.


You are making things up again.


Typical news item... there are dozens to be found searching on Samsung
+ibiquity +hd...


Samsung developing new chipset for HD Radio
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 9:49 AM

Samsung said they will introduce a new low-power, low-cost chipset for HD
Radio receivers. These new chipsets will be an important step in the
development of portable HD Radios.


Samsung figures that samples of the chipset will be available before the end
of the 2007 - and production anticipated for the first quarter of 2008.

The low-power, high-performance chip will be capable of supporting all
current and planned HD Radio technology features. It is being designed and
manufactured using advanced technology and features a System-in-Package
(SIP) module and a CMOS, mixed-signal single-chip tuner.

Target HD Radio applications include: mobile phones, portable media players,
portable navigation devices, table radios and home audio-video components.

If HD Radio is able to integrate into mobile phones and portable media
players before satellite radio does, then we have no one to blame but
ourselves.








David Eduardo[_4_] September 24th 07 12:01 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 23, 6:34 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

The CEO of iBiquity said, "non is available, in development or being
planned." He then went on to describe the power consumption of DACs and
how
he hoped the offshoot of devices like the iPod would eventually create
more
efficient chips and that the technology could be applied to HD.


That's weird. I wonder why he'd yank your chain that way? He was
probably just joking around.


iBiquity never made claims about portables. The first mention has been in
the Samsung press releases about low cost low power chips.

Nothing was said in '04 about portable devices except "we hope they can
figure this one out."



This is incorrect. A great deal was said and the expectation was that
they'd be available very soon.


Then you will have no trouble producing a link or two.

Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very
expensive indeed.


No, they don't.


Actually, they do.


Like nearly all your recent posts, you show that you don't understand the
radio business model and are lying about the technical issues of HD.

For example:
Samsung developing new chipset for HD Radio
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 9:49 AM

Samsung said they will introduce a new low-power, low-cost chipset for HD
Radio receivers. These new chipsets will be an important step in the
development of portable HD Radios.


Samsung figures that samples of the chipset will be available before the end
of the 2007 - and production anticipated for the first quarter of 2008.

The low-power, high-performance chip will be capable of supporting all
current and planned HD Radio technology features. It is being designed and
manufactured using advanced technology and features a System-in-Package
(SIP) module and a CMOS, mixed-signal single-chip tuner.

Target HD Radio applications include: mobile phones, portable media players,
portable navigation devices, table radios and home audio-video components.

If HD Radio is able to integrate into mobile phones and portable media
players before satellite radio does, then we have no one to blame but
ourselves.





Steve September 24th 07 12:57 AM

FM HD in its current form will likely survive it's unlikely AM HD will fail.
 
On Sep 23, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Sep 23, 4:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:


In correct. The new chipsets will be considerably less expensive than the
existing ones. See press releases on iBiquity website.


Not according to Samsung. They predict that the chipsets will be very
expensive indeed.


You are making things up again.



Samsung's words, not mine. You're just playing some kind of joke on
us, right?



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