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HD radio means Half Dead radio
Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot.
http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
It is bad enough that they are trying to peddle that junk. What really makes
it bad is that they don't even care about the adjacent channels they are wiping out. Now, the evening broadcasting takes it to new heights. Quite disgusting. Pete "Telamon" wrote in message ... Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 23, 9:33 pm, Telamon
wrote: Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California "HD Radio: Stunts and symbols at your expense" http://www.hear2.com/2007/09/hd-radi....html#comments "HD on QVC -- Lipstick on a (Roast) Pig" "Can you imagine how ****ed buyers are going to be.I'm going to turn QVC on and have a few laughs. (If I'm a lawyer, I'm recording it)." http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...roast-pig.html HD Radio gets more comical by-the-minute! |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
Telamon wrote:
Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... -- Eric F. Richards, "It's the Din of iBiquity." -- Frank Dresser |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
"Pete KE9OA" wrote in message ... It is bad enough that they are trying to peddle that junk. What really makes it bad is that they don't even care about the adjacent channels they are wiping out. Now, the evening broadcasting takes it to new heights. Quite disgusting. Pete "Telamon" wrote in message ... Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California It's pretty much a big fraud being foisted upon the American consumer to trash their perfectly good AM/FM radios in their homes and cars and instead spend 200 to 400 dollars to buy one of the HD sets. So what are we going to do with all these old radios? Are we going to send them to Chad via Ebay or just let them collect dust. The FCC said they would let the market decide so hopefully the END User consumer will drop this idea like a hot potato. And fortunately, it seems that they are doing just that. But instead the radio mafia still wants to jam this retarded idea down our throats. Not to mention sell everyone a bill of goods with their 300 dollar crappy looking junk boxes. I noticed that WTAM was wiping out adjacent channels last night on 1100 khz and WBT which is usually audible here was getting splattered. The best thing to do is for people to start writing the Commission and let them know what a boondoogle this is. Ridiculous |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 23, 9:33 pm, Telamon
wrote: Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California I don't particularly like QVC or ShopNBC because their merchandise is mostly low-class stuff like NeverSharp knives, George Foreman Grills, Cubic Zirconia rings, etc. They rely on high-sizzle merchandising including overstated MSRP's that are cut by absurd discounts. Not much has really changed in that industry from when Ron Popeil was first marketing Veg-O-Matics. However, a lot of people buy stuff from venues like that so think of it as just another successful distribution channel like Overstock.Com, Amazon.Com, etc. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 24, 10:07 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 23, 9:33 pm, Telamon wrote: Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California I don't particularly like QVC or ShopNBC because their merchandise is mostly low-class stuff like NeverSharp knives, George Foreman Grills, Cubic Zirconia rings, etc. They rely on high-sizzle merchandising including overstated MSRP's that are cut by absurd discounts. Not much has really changed in that industry from when Ron Popeil was first marketing Veg-O-Matics. However, a lot of people buy stuff from venues like that so think of it as just another successful distribution channel like Overstock.Com, Amazon.Com, etc. I suspect the allure for Tardo is the prospect of getting his colloidal silver and Amazing HGH some airtime on QVC. |
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"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio before adaquate mass market radios were available. HD radio might not have been designed to fail, but it sure doesn't look like the smart guys have thought out the elements of success, either. But now we have a FCC decision which will mark the latest first start date in which very important things got fixed. Inexpensive low power consumption chips are in the pipeline and I'll bet these new, improved chips are subscription radio ready. Frank Dresser |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 24, 10:07 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 23, 9:33 pm, Telamon wrote: Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California I don't particularly like QVC or ShopNBC because their merchandise is mostly low-class stuff like NeverSharp knives, George Foreman Grills, Cubic Zirconia rings, etc. They rely on high-sizzle merchandising including overstated MSRP's that are cut by absurd discounts. Not much has really changed in that industry from when Ron Popeil was first marketing Veg-O-Matics. However, a lot of people buy stuff from venues like that so think of it as just another successful distribution channel like Overstock.Com, Amazon.Com, etc. Amazon.com, as with Best Buy, Radio Shack, Wal-Mart, and Circuit City have all been miserable failures for HD Radio. Jerry Del Colliano made the point that even if people buy HD radios, the radios do not work as advertised and will be returned promptly. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 24, 11:01 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:07 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 23, 9:33 pm, Telamon wrote: Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California I don't particularly like QVC or ShopNBC because their merchandise is mostly low-class stuff like NeverSharp knives, George Foreman Grills, Cubic Zirconia rings, etc. They rely on high-sizzle merchandising including overstated MSRP's that are cut by absurd discounts. Not much has really changed in that industry from when Ron Popeil was first marketing Veg-O-Matics. However, a lot of people buy stuff from venues like that so think of it as just another successful distribution channel like Overstock.Com, Amazon.Com, etc. Amazon.com, as with Best Buy, Radio Shack, Wal-Mart, and Circuit City have all been miserable failures for HD Radio. Jerry Del Colliano made the point that even if people buy HD radios, the radios do not work as advertised and will be returned promptly.- I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio before adaquate mass market radios were available. The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. The principal objective of HD for us is to put out a digital FM signal; in LA it is very much less susceptable to multipath. HD2 is a side benefit, but not critical at this time. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves. |
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"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Speculative comments will either be proven or disproven by the sales record tallied 120 days after the christmas rush. As of right now we can guess about the volume of HD radio sales volume. Even more important than the number of people buying hardware will be the number of people who switch some of their listening time to HD channels. My guess is that will take even longer for listening habits to change. I think that mid-summer 2008 will be the earliest that any meaningful HD listening statistics will be available. |
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IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:07 am, Roadie wrote: On Sep 23, 9:33 pm, Telamon wrote: Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California I don't particularly like QVC or ShopNBC because their merchandise is mostly low-class stuff like NeverSharp knives, George Foreman Grills, Cubic Zirconia rings, etc. They rely on high-sizzle merchandising including overstated MSRP's that are cut by absurd discounts. Not much has really changed in that industry from when Ron Popeil was first marketing Veg-O-Matics. However, a lot of people buy stuff from venues like that so think of it as just another successful distribution channel like Overstock.Com, Amazon.Com, etc. Amazon.com, as with Best Buy, Radio Shack, Wal-Mart, and Circuit City have all been miserable failures for HD Radio. Jerry Del Colliano made the point that even if people buy HD radios, the radios do not work as advertised and will be returned promptly. That's a pretty good point. The preponderance of consumers will not take a second chance after a bad experience. Look at David, himself...returning his XM rig because of reception problems in areas where there are XM listeners experiencing no difficulties. Having been offered an opportunity to try a second radio, he declined. The first batch of HD radios were pretty poor. Those appealing to innovators and early adoptors, which are crucial to creating the pilot stream of retail and the buzz on the street. If their experiences were not good, they'll be off to something else before they try a second HD radio, and the buzz that drives the mainstream adoption will not develop. That's not a great road sign for HD's future. |
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On Sep 24, 7:07 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 23, 9:33 pm, Telamon wrote: Interesting changes in HD marketing afoot. http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2007/09/halif-dead-radio.html -- Telamon Ventura, California I don't particularly like QVC or ShopNBC because their merchandise is mostly low-class stuff like NeverSharp knives, George Foreman Grills, Cubic Zirconia rings, etc. They rely on high-sizzle merchandising including overstated MSRP's that are cut by absurd discounts. Not much has really changed in that industry from when Ron Popeil was first marketing Veg-O-Matics. However, a lot of people buy stuff from venues like that so think of it as just another successful distribution channel like Overstock.Com, Amazon.Com, etc. "Stuff" is Good and for the Consumer that's : Got To Have It ! There should be : www.Buy-Stuff.Com ~ RHF |
News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" !
On Sep 24, 9:11 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. - I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. - The ones out there still bite big time, News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" ! - and the first generation of really good ones - will come sometime in mid-2008. |
News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" !
It's not like I check the shelves in the stores around here for new
radios, because I dont, I know they are cheap plastic junk.QVC channel is in HD now? I haven't clicked on that channel in over five years. Those QVC people,about ten percent of the money they gyp people out of, that ten percent goes to the democrats.I wouldn't ever buy anything from QVC. cuhulin |
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In article
, "Frank Dresser" wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio before adaquate mass market radios were available. HD radio might not have been designed to fail, but it sure doesn't look like the smart guys have thought out the elements of success, either. But now we have a FCC decision which will mark the latest first start date in which very important things got fixed. Inexpensive low power consumption chips are in the pipeline and I'll bet these new, improved chips are subscription radio ready. I keep looking for signs other then initial announcements for a low cost chip or low cost chip sets and I don't find anything. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 24, 12:10 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message .. . I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio before adaquate mass market radios were available. The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. That's not what the major stations in the LA market reporting. You might want to check your facts again. The principal objective of HD for us is to put out a digital FM signal; in LA it is very much less susceptable to multipath. HD2 is a side benefit, but not critical at this time. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves.- Hide quoted text - This is incorrect. The HD Alliance reports that a very large amount of money was used to purchase ad time. |
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Steve wrote: On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. I predict another rough day for 'Eduardo'... |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote:
Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying much. Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market. Stephanie Weil New York City, USA |
News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" !
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:14:36 -0700, RHF
wrote: On Sep 24, 9:11 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. - I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. - The ones out there still bite big time, News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" ! - and the first generation of really good ones - will come sometime in mid-2008. The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is give crap to the early adopters (who tend to spread the word). |
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"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. It's not a portable. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. That's not what the major stations in the LA market reporting. You might want to check your facts again. I was not speaking of other stations. Our station cluster in LA spent about 10 times more on one single broadcast studio than it did to put HD on all 5 of our transmitters. Heck, the studio lights in that studio cost more than the HD on KRCD. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves.- Hide quoted text - This is incorrect. The HD Alliance reports that a very large amount of money was used to purchase ad time. No, there was no cash spent. Each member committed to giving a certain VALUE in ad time to HD promotion on its own stations. There is no out of pocket cost in giving your own time to a particular purpose. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Steve wrote: On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. I predict another rough day for 'Eduardo'... Nope, rough for Stevearino. 1. Receptor is not a portable.He says it it. 2. He lied about HD Alliance ad expenditure 3. He is clueless about cost of going HD vs. normal engineering capital items. |
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"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote: Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying much. The receptor, of course, is not portable. Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market. We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year. |
News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" !
"David" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:14:36 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 24, 9:11 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. - I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. - The ones out there still bite big time, News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" ! - and the first generation of really good ones - will come sometime in mid-2008. The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is give crap to the early adopters (who tend to spread the word). My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400. I can say that about nearly every totally new product. Early XM and Sirius receivers were vastly less effective than current ones, too. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
"David Eduardo" wrote in message . .. "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio before adaquate mass market radios were available. The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. Yes, but that wasn't the comparision. How much had been spent on HD radio content compared to how much had been spent on IBOC hardware? And, to get to the point, there would have been good promotional value if the HD radio early adoptors had something special to listen to, and maybe brag about. HD radio won't get many more chances to make a good first impression. The principal objective of HD for us is to put out a digital FM signal; in LA it is very much less susceptable to multipath. HD2 is a side benefit, but not critical at this time. But people have to at least hear the radios to appreciate any difference. The market for "crystal clear" simulcasts at high prices is obviously and predictably small. Better radios at lower prices and worthwhile HD radio programming would have sold plenty more radios. Not to say that I have any idea if such a rollout would have been worth it. The idea of putting more channels on the air without a corresponding increase in overall listenership and advertising revenues seems problematical to me but I'm just some guy with a radio, hearing the damn noise nobody listens to. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves. The ads were on the air and from the radio buying public's point of view, it doesn't matter how they were paid for. Frank Dresser |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 10:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. That's not what the major stations in the LA market reporting. You might want to check your facts again. I was not speaking of other stations. Our station cluster in LA spent about 10 times more on one single broadcast studio than it did to put HD on all 5 of our transmitters. Heck, the studio lights in that studio cost more than the HD on KRCD. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves.- Hide quoted text - This is incorrect. The HD Alliance reports that a very large amount of money was used to purchase ad time. No, there was no cash spent. Each member committed to giving a certain VALUE in ad time to HD promotion on its own stations. There is no out of pocket cost in giving your own time to a particular purpose. The promotions are being dropped by stations at end-of-year because they were ineffectual because consumers don't give an ass's **** about HD Radio: "HD Radio Marketing: Change is Coming" "The date is no surprise. It was a 2-year deal. It ends in January.I agree it's time to re-assess. The problem with the licensing plan is two very different groups with different agendas pay the fee. Which is why neither is happy. Broadcasters pay for the encoder, and they're not happy with the radios, and electronics manufacturers pay for the decoder, and they're not happy with anything. They see no demand, and therefore, no return on their investment.I think the best bet is for everyone to walk away at the end of this deal, and leave iBiquity to think about what went wrong." "Maybe the date is no surprise to you, George. But the lack of renewal of that deal for a later date might be a surprise to some." http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/hd-radi....html#comments |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 10:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote: Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying much. The receptor, of course, is not portable. Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market. We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year. It's too late - consumers do not buy radios anymore, cell phone companies will not be interested in HD Radio because of WiFi/WiMAX, and automakers are not interested in HD Radio. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 11:02 am, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "David Eduardo" wrote in message . .. "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message .. . I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio before adaquate mass market radios were available. The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. Yes, but that wasn't the comparision. How much had been spent on HD radio content compared to how much had been spent on IBOC hardware? And, to get to the point, there would have been good promotional value if the HD radio early adoptors had something special to listen to, and maybe brag about. HD radio won't get many more chances to make a good first impression. The principal objective of HD for us is to put out a digital FM signal; in LA it is very much less susceptable to multipath. HD2 is a side benefit, but not critical at this time. But people have to at least hear the radios to appreciate any difference. The market for "crystal clear" simulcasts at high prices is obviously and predictably small. Better radios at lower prices and worthwhile HD radio programming would have sold plenty more radios. Not to say that I have any idea if such a rollout would have been worth it. The idea of putting more channels on the air without a corresponding increase in overall listenership and advertising revenues seems problematical to me but I'm just some guy with a radio, hearing the damn noise nobody listens to. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves. The ads were on the air and from the radio buying public's point of view, it doesn't matter how they were paid for. Frank Dresser- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - True - there are more than enough AM/FM stations without the need for simulcasting. |
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On Sep 25, 10:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message roups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. It's not a portable.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - According to iBiquity it is. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 10:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. That's not what the major stations in the LA market reporting. You might want to check your facts again. I was not speaking of other stations. Our station cluster in LA spent about 10 times more on one single broadcast studio than it did to put HD on all 5 of our transmitters. Heck, the studio lights in that studio cost more than the HD on KRCD. Well, that's not what any of your station managers are saying. You'd better confer with them and report back. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves.- Hide quoted text - This is incorrect. The HD Alliance reports that a very large amount of money was used to purchase ad time. No, there was no cash spent. Each member committed to giving a certain VALUE in ad time to HD promotion on its own stations. There is no out of pocket cost in giving your own time to a particular purpose. According to the HD Alliance, vast amounts of money were spent. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 10:41 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Steve wrote: On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message oups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. I predict another rough day for 'Eduardo'... Nope, rough for Stevearino. 1. Receptor is not a portable.He says it it. iBiquity says it is. 2. He lied about HD Alliance ad expenditure Merely exposed your ignorance. 3. He is clueless about cost of going HD vs. normal engineering capital items. As are all the major proponents of HD, in that case. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 10:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Steve wrote: Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. Probably using the current chip design. Which is still not saying much. The receptor, of course, is not portable. Explain that to iBiquity and report back. Supposedly they're still working on a second generation design. Maybe they should have waited a bit more till the receivers were perfected before rolling this stuff out on the consumer market. We are headed towards a 4th generation chipset next year. Right. That's the one that Samsung says will be extremely expensive. |
News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" !
On Sep 25, 10:43 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:14:36 -0700, RHF wrote: On Sep 24, 9:11 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message groups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. - I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. - The ones out there still bite big time, News Flash - d'Eduardo Admits - HD Radios "Bite Big Time" ! - and the first generation of really good ones - will come sometime in mid-2008. The worst thing you can do when debuting a new technology is give crap to the early adopters (who tend to spread the word). My first CD player was crap.... and cost $1400. We're very sorry. This must have been a major blow to you. I can say that about nearly every totally new product. We know you can and that's very exciting!! Your language skills are improving, sort of. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 7:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. That's not what the major stations in the LA market reporting. You might want to check your facts again. I was not speaking of other stations. Our station cluster in LA spent about 10 times more on one single broadcast studio than it did to put HD on all 5 of our transmitters. Heck, the studio lights in that studio cost more than the HD on KRCD. There was no expenditure on ad time by the HD Alliance. It is all based on the value of time on the Alliance stations themselves.- Hide quoted text - This is incorrect. The HD Alliance reports that a very large amount of money was used to purchase ad time. No, there was no cash spent. Each member committed to giving a certain VALUE in ad time to HD promotion on its own stations. There is no out of pocket cost in giving your own time to a particular purpose. d'Eduardo - Great Selling Pont for "HD" Radio : More "HD" Radio Ads and Less Radio Entertainment Content. Just What The Radio Listener's Wanted ! ~ RHF |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
On Sep 25, 8:02 am, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "David Eduardo" wrote in message . .. "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message .. . I like this response: Anonymous said... Thank you for having the balls to challenge Ibiquity and the NAB. They are doing serious damage to our once great industry. Bring broadcasters back to broadcasting otherwise you may as well sign the stations off. September 21, 2007 3:04 PM Hmmmmm... That's IF the broadcasters want to stick exclusively with broadcasting, at least free broadcasting. Consider that the broadcasters have spent millions on IBOC radio interference transmitter equipment and only a pittance on HD radio content. And they've spent millions more on advertising HD radio before adaquate mass market radios were available. The investment in equipment in the top markets is minimal. As I mentioned, in LA we spent 10 times as much on the new studio for one morning show as the HD gear for all 5 of our signals. Yes, but that wasn't the comparision. How much had been spent on HD radio content compared to how much had been spent on IBOC hardware? And, to get to the point, there would have been good promotional value if the HD radio early adoptors had something special to listen to, and maybe brag about. Gee ! Wowee . . . "HD" Radio Promos in "HD" Radio ~ RHF HD radio won't get many more chances to make a good first impression. Here's My First Impression - I Ask Myself : What IBOC ? All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go : Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour. |
HD radio means Half Dead radio
David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 24, 12:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Roadie" wrote in message ups.com... I have no idea who the self-proclaimed expert Jerry D.C. is, but his and other claims about poor sales and high returns of HD radios are unsupportable now. Such claims will either be verified or dismissed in the next 9 months which includes the christmas selling season. I don't think many receivers will be sold at Christmas, 2007. The ones out there still bite big time, and the first generation of really good ones will come sometime in mid-2008. Not according to iBiquity, which maintains that the BA Receptor was the best HD AM portable achievable. It's not a portable. You're not Hispanic. |
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