HD Radio Killer
 

http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 9:56 am, Steve wrote:
http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide



Except Wireless Internet is extremely expensive, not free like HD or
analog Radio.

Also it appears it won't work outside of your home. Thus HD or Analog
radio is still the only option for car travel.

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 11:12 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:56 am, Steve wrote:

http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide

Except Wireless Internet is extremely expensive, not free like HD or
analog Radio.

Wireless internet is not extremely expensive? Where have you been
shopping? And many people already have it, in which case internet
radio introduces no additional cost.


Also it appears it won't work outside of your home. Thus HD or Analog
radio is still the only option for car travel.

Ah, but that is changing quickly:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Samsu...ty-63879.shtml

http://www.wsradio.com/internet-talk...-your-car.html

The fact is, progress happens. Change happens. You can't fight them.

HD Radio Killer
 

I own a Linksys Wireless B Music System internet radio, I paid about
$159.00 for it at the Wal Mart store a few years ago.I can use it
tethered to my computer, or, I can use it wirelessly up to about 100
feet from my computer.I don't tote, so I keep it tethered to my
computer.

www.devilfinder.com Linksys Wireless B Music System

A bunch of months ago, good old Heidy in that Irish computer newsgroup
thingy, she was wondering about buying herself a Bose radio.I told her
leave that junk alone and go to a store and buy a real stereo Radio.
cuhulin

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 11:12 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:56 am, Steve wrote:

http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide

Except Wireless Internet is extremely expensive, not free like HD or
analog Radio.

Also it appears it won't work outside of your home. Thus HD or Analog
radio is still the only option for car travel.

"Automotive PCs will connect through regular cellular phone signals.
But makers expect the in-car systems to eventually move to Wi-Max -
high-powered Wi-Fi that blankets broadband access across cities - over
the next few years."

LOL

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 12:27?pm, Steve wrote:
On Sep 30, 11:12 am, SFTV_troy wrote:

On Sep 30, 9:56 am, Steve wrote:

http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide

Except Wireless Internet is extremely expensive, not free like HD or
analog Radio.

Also it appears it won't work outside of your home. Thus HD or Analog
radio is still the only option for car travel.

"Automotive PCs will connect through regular cellular phone signals.
But makers expect the in-car systems to eventually move to Wi-Max -
high-powered Wi-Fi that blankets broadband access across cities - over
the next few years."

LOL

Steve,

I would agree - Sprint is rolling out nation-wide WiMax and once that
gets substantial coverage, it is over for terrestrial and HD Radio.
Jerry Del Colliano gives terrestrial radio another 20 years before
"the sticks" become obsolete. HD Radio is a non-starter, as other
technologies are moving forward at lightening speeds. Ford's point-of-
sale, dealer-installed HD Radio will also be a non-starter, as Ford is
offering Sync, as a standard feature across all of it premium
vehicles, which constuitute 40% of its sales. Otherwise, Sync is a
$300 factory-installed option, less than HD Radio at $279 + $50
installation fee. Even though Ford is offering HD Radio, customers
have to pay directly for installation - Ford owns Visteon which makes
HD radios, and Ford is an investor in iBiquity. LOL!

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 11:13 am, Steve wrote:

The fact is, progress happens. Change happens. You can't fight them.




On the other hand, sometimes progress DOESN'T happen. Remember
WebTV? It was supposed to bring internet to everyone's televisions.
Fail.

I've learned that not all technologies win; Just because YOU want to
see Wireless Internet sending music to people's cars, doesn't mean it
will succeed. CONSUMERS decide, not us, and they might decide to
ignore this new idea (same way they ignored Super VHS and Super Audio
CD).

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 6:50 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 11:13 am, Steve wrote:



The fact is, progress happens. Change happens. You can't fight them.

On the other hand, sometimes progress DOESN'T happen. Remember
WebTV? It was supposed to bring internet to everyone's televisions.
Fail.

I've learned that not all technologies win; Just because YOU want to
see Wireless Internet sending music to people's cars, doesn't mean it
will succeed. CONSUMERS decide, not us, and they might decide to
ignore this new idea (same way they ignored Super VHS and Super Audio
CD).

The thing is, in this case the choice is literally a no brainer.
Consumers will be able to decide between HD radio, which lets them
hear a few big local broadcasters delivering generic programming vs
the thousands of stations accessible via the internet, bundled no
doubt with email, web access, the whole shebang. Think about it.
Internet radio will let people hear EVERYTHING they can hear on HD,
together with thousands of OTHER things as well.

Not much of a choice.

HD Radio Killer
 

In article . com,
SFTV_troy wrote:

On Sep 30, 9:56 am, Steve wrote:
http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide



Except Wireless Internet is extremely expensive, not free like HD or
analog Radio.

Also it appears it won't work outside of your home. Thus HD or Analog
radio is still the only option for car travel.

What a funny guy!

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 7:56 am, Steve wrote:
http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide

-IF- You got to have the Home "PC" Turn-On
-or- a Wireless Network Running to make it Work

I Fails the "Toaster" Test [.] ~ RHF

For an Internet Radio to 'be' a Stand-A-Lone Radio :
It should only require only three things :

1 - Power AC Plug and Cord {Battery Power Optional}

2 - Any Telephone Line with Dial-Up or DSL {Cable-TV Optional}
- - - Assumes you are already paying for one of these
three services; and therefore the Internet Radio is a
Free Bonus that once you buy it cost you nothing more.

3 - You the Radio Listener.

YOU PLUG IT IN + TURN IT ON + LISTEN
- - - yes it is that simple -or- should be ~ RHF

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 6:50 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 11:13 am, Steve wrote:



The fact is, progress happens. Change happens. You can't fight them.

On the other hand, sometimes progress DOESN'T happen. Remember
WebTV? It was supposed to bring internet to everyone's televisions.
Fail.

I've learned that not all technologies win; Just because YOU want to
see Wireless Internet sending music to people's cars, doesn't mean it
will succeed. CONSUMERS decide, not us, and they might decide to
ignore this new idea (same way they ignored Super VHS and Super Audio
CD).

How much is iBiquity paying you to shill for HD Radio?

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 5:58 pm, Steve wrote:
On Sep 30, 6:50 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:

I've learned that not all technologies win; Just because YOU want to
see Wireless Internet sending music to people's cars, doesn't mean it
will succeed. CONSUMERS decide, not us.....

The thing is, in this case the choice is literally a no brainer.
Consumers will be able to decide between HD radio, which lets them
hear a few big local broadcasters delivering generic programming vs
the thousands of stations accessible via the internet, bundled no
doubt with email, web access, the whole shebang....


Sounds complicated. History shows consumers don't like complicated
things (like how to program the blinking clock on their VCRs).

Terrestrial radio offers the ease of just "turning the knob". That's
it. Even a mental midget can do it.

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 1, 3:44 pm, Steve wrote:
On Oct 1, 7:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 5:58 pm, Steve wrote:


the thousands of stations accessible via the internet, bundled no
doubt with email, web access, the whole shebang....

Sounds complicated. History shows consumers don't like complicated
things (like how to program the blinking clock on their VCRs).
Terrestrial radio offers the ease of just "turning the knob".
That's it. Even a mental midget can do it.

Audio streaming is getting simpler all the time. You don't really even
need a router to do it. I feel sorry for HD.




No one in my family knows how to do it.
But they know how to operate a radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:
On Oct 1, 3:44 pm, Steve wrote:

On Oct 1, 7:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 5:58 pm, Steve wrote:

the thousands of stations accessible via the internet, bundled no
doubt with email, web access, the whole shebang....

Sounds complicated. History shows consumers don't like complicated
things (like how to program the blinking clock on their VCRs).
Terrestrial radio offers the ease of just "turning the knob".
That's it. Even a mental midget can do it.

Audio streaming is getting simpler all the time. You don't really even
need a router to do it. I feel sorry for HD.

No one in my family knows how to do it.
But they know how to operate a radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.




You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe who still, after all these years, can't come
to terms with the internet and what it means. There are already
thousands of internet stations streaming audio, and there already
millions of people listening to them. This isn't something that's
going to happen tomorrow. It's happening right now, under your nose
and apparently to your displeasure. As soon as Wimax is deployed--and
there's no doubt whatsoever that this will happen--it's all over. You
can deny the advance of technology and you can deny the inevitable,
but your denials won't make one whit of difference.

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
..

You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

Oh, you mean like HD receivers?

HD Radio Killer
 

Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe ...


Is that why I've became an engineer? Because I fear technology? Is
that why I've using computers since 1984, and internet connections
since 1987? Because I fear technology? Is that why I spend my days
reviewing code & designing hardware? Because I fear technology?

Bzzz.

Guess again.

Never mind I'll tell you why: I've seen supposed "better" standards
like laserdisc, minidisc, Digital Audio Tape, Digital Cassette
Recorders, Super Audio CD, HDTV VHS recorders, and on and on and
on...... arrive on the scene, make a lot of noise, and then disappear
since the general public ignored them. (Blu-ray and HD DVD might be
the next ones to flop.)

That's taught me not to believe all the lies.... er, marketing hype.
(Yes even the internet has its trail of tears, with numerous failed
technologies & bankrupted companies.)



Jus because something is new (like Wimax) does not mean it will win.
I remember back in the 80s when ISDN was supposed to be "the future of
computer networking", and many of my colleagues immediately signed-
up. But that never happened. The consumers continued using their
phone lines (slowly upgrading from 9.6k to 56k), and then they ignored
ISDN and jumped straight to high-speed (dsl or cable).

ISDN failed to live-up to its hype, becoming a marginal service barely
used by anybody.

Wimax certainly *sounds* good, but it could very well be the next
ISDN... the next flop.

Don't believe marketing hype.

HD Radio Killer
 

Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
.

You can have the best "gadget" in the world,
but it doesn't matter if the consumer doesn't want it.

Oh, you mean like HD receivers?


Exactly. It could be that Wireless will die-out completely, and
they'll be no need for either HDR or Wimax. Nobody knows what the
future will hold... not me, and certainly not you.

HD Radio Killer
 

SFTV_troy wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
.

You can have the best "gadget" in the world,
but it doesn't matter if the consumer doesn't want it.

Oh, you mean like HD receivers?

Exactly. It could be that Wireless will die-out completely, and
they'll be no need for either HDR or Wimax. Nobody knows what the
future will hold... not me, and certainly not you.

Sure we do! Death, taxes and more BS from Edweenie!

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 3, 3:19 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe ...

Is that why I've became an engineer? Because I fear technology? Is
that why I've using computers since 1984, and internet connections
since 1987? Because I fear technology? Is that why I spend my days
reviewing code & designing hardware? Because I fear technology?

Bzzz.

Guess again.

Never mind I'll tell you why: I've seen supposed "better" standards
like laserdisc, minidisc, Digital Audio Tape, Digital Cassette
Recorders, Super Audio CD, HDTV VHS recorders, and on and on and
on...... arrive on the scene, make a lot of noise, and then disappear
since the general public ignored them. (Blu-ray and HD DVD might be
the next ones to flop.)

That's taught me not to believe all the lies.... er, marketing hype.
(Yes even the internet has its trail of tears, with numerous failed
technologies & bankrupted companies.)

Jus because something is new (like Wimax) does not mean it will win.
I remember back in the 80s when ISDN was supposed to be "the future of
computer networking", and many of my colleagues immediately signed-
up. But that never happened. The consumers continued using their
phone lines (slowly upgrading from 9.6k to 56k), and then they ignored
ISDN and jumped straight to high-speed (dsl or cable).

ISDN failed to live-up to its hype, becoming a marginal service barely
used by anybody.

Wimax certainly *sounds* good, but it could very well be the next
ISDN... the next flop.


- Don't believe marketing hype.

SFTV -aka- "Hybrid Digital" Man,

Then why have you promoted the Marketing Hype Words :
"Hybrid Digital" for 'HD' Radio so many times ?

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
* Twain Harte, CA -USA-

HD Radio Killer
 

RHF wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:19 am, SFTV_troy

- Don't believe marketing hype.

Then why have you promoted the Marketing Hype Words :
"Hybrid Digital" for 'HD' Radio so many times ?



For the same reason I keep saying "Digital Radio Mondiale" for
DRM..... because that's what the letters mean.

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 3, 6:19 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe ...

Is that why I've became an engineer? Because I fear technology? Is
that why I've using computers since 1984, and internet connections
since 1987? Because I fear technology? Is that why I spend my days
reviewing code & designing hardware? Because I fear technology?

Bzzz.

Guess again.

You tell me. It's your fear. I can only theorize about its source.


Never mind I'll tell you why: I've seen supposed "better" standards
like laserdisc, minidisc, Digital Audio Tape, Digital Cassette
Recorders, Super Audio CD, HDTV VHS recorders, and on and on and
on...... arrive on the scene, make a lot of noise, and then disappear
since the general public ignored them. (Blu-ray and HD DVD might be
the next ones to flop.)

So, let me get this straight: You think the INTERNET is likely to
"flop" and disappear? And you're an engineer? Really?


That's taught me not to believe all the lies.... er, marketing hype.
(Yes even the internet has its trail of tears, with numerous failed
technologies & bankrupted companies.)

The internet isn't hype. It's what you're using to post to this group
right now.


Jus because something is new (like Wimax) does not mean it will win.

The internet isn't new, and Wimax is simply an extension of it.

I remember back in the 80s when ISDN was supposed to be "the future of
computer networking", and many of my colleagues immediately signed-
up. But that never happened. The consumers continued using their
phone lines (slowly upgrading from 9.6k to 56k), and then they ignored
ISDN and jumped straight to high-speed (dsl or cable).

ISDN failed to live-up to its hype, becoming a marginal service barely
used by anybody.

Wimax certainly *sounds* good, but it could very well be the next
ISDN... the next flop.

So tell me, what do you think is going to replace the internet? Do you
think HD AM will replace the internet? If so, can you please elaborate
on what the hell this could mean?

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 3, 7:29 am, wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:19 am, SFTV_troy

- Don't believe marketing hype.

Then why have you promoted the Marketing Hype Words :
"Hybrid Digital" for 'HD' Radio so many times ?

For the same reason I keep saying "Digital Radio Mondiale" for
DRM..... because that's what the letters mean.

LOL....are they even still doing DRM?

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 3, 6:22 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
.

You can have the best "gadget" in the world,
but it doesn't matter if the consumer doesn't want it.

Oh, you mean like HD receivers?

Exactly. It could be that Wireless will die-out completely, and
they'll be no need for either HDR or Wimax. Nobody knows what the
future will hold... not me, and certainly not you.

Sure we do. I know that the physical laws of motion will still be in
effect and that 2+2 will still equal 4. I also know that the internet
is not going to simply vanish, and as long as it's there people will
want wireless access to it. If you have some theory about why the
internet is going to vanish sometimes soon, please share it.

HD Radio Killer
 

In article . com,
Steve wrote:

On Oct 3, 7:29 am, wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:19 am, SFTV_troy

- Don't believe marketing hype.

Then why have you promoted the Marketing Hype Words :
"Hybrid Digital" for 'HD' Radio so many times ?

For the same reason I keep saying "Digital Radio Mondiale" for
DRM..... because that's what the letters mean.

LOL....are they even still doing DRM?

Yes, and that's their new motto, "DRM, it's all in the letters, duh."

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

HD Radio Killer
 

On Oct 3, 4:29 am, wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:19 am, SFTV_troy

- Don't believe marketing hype.

Then why have you promoted the Marketing Hype Words :
"Hybrid Digital" for 'HD' Radio so many times ?

For the same reason I keep saying "Digital Radio Mondiale" for
DRM..... because that's what the letters mean.

SFTV -aka- "Hybrid Digital" Man,

And that is why you are "Hybrid Digital" Man
-cause- You know what the Letters mean
-and- that is something special.

buzz on ! ~ RHF
-fyi- Retired, Healthy and Free { Hey That's Me :o}

HD Radio Killer
 

On Sep 30, 7:56 am, Steve wrote:
http://www.sonoplayer.com/overview.htm

99 bucks
No preexisting wireless network needed
Access to far, far more stations than any HD receiver will provide

A REMINDER TO ALL -WRT- "HD" RADIO

There Is a "HD Radio" NewsGroup
HD RADIO = http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
Description: This is a Group for discussing HD Radio, it's
viability in the market place, HD Radios & Receivers and
Technology, Programming, Reception, and in general
anything concerning HD Radio that shouldn't be clogging
up other NewsGroups, like Rec.Radio.Shortwave.

For anyone who is looking for an "HD" Radio Group that
is Moderated -or- Simply NOT Rec.Radio.Shortwave

Here is a List of Yahoo Groups that have something
to do with "HD" Radio News and Information.
HD RADIO = http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=HD+Radio
* HDRadio
* HD-Radio
* HD-Radio-Engineering
* Accurian HD Radio {RadioShack}
* High Defination Radio

Plus here is a List of Yahoo Groups that have something
to do with "IBOC" {HD Radio} News and Information.
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=IBOC
* HD-Radio-Engineering
* Sangean HDT1 "HD" Radio Tuner
* NO2IBOC = Just Say "NO" To IBOC !
* DRM IBOC HDRadio = DRM and HD Radio Forum
* AMStereoOnly = AM Stereo Only ! - Where Digital Is Dead !

FWIW - Here is another HD Radio Forum {NewsGroup}
AVS Forum Digital Video & Audio Devices HD Radio
HD RADIO = http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=154
Some Good Info Here and It is Free for the Reading :o)

And Once Again The Aforementioned "HDRadio" NewsGroup
HDRADIO=http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/

hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF