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YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio
Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s. Check if out for yourself: Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235 Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544 Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756 americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309 UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151 Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612 Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670 70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866 80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883 Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085 Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853 Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275 Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037 UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849 Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908 Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814 EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605 Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848 |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
RHF wrote: SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio * It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone It makes no difference to the computer inside the radio whether the 24 kbit/s data arrived by wire, wireless, a floppy disc, or CD. Data is data. It will all sound the same. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Sep 30, 5:42 pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
So what's in it for him? Is he a professional shill, or is he just trolling? (Why must people always assume there's a conspiracy involved?) - I'm just a guy sitting in front of my computer, and watching TCM on the tv. Killing time basically until Monday rolls around. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
"SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... RHF wrote: SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio * It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone It makes no difference to the computer inside the radio whether the 24 kbit/s data arrived by wire, wireless, a floppy disc, or CD. Data is data. It will all sound the same. Yes, but radio is wireless. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Dearest SFTV_troy:
Stop the crossposting crap. We in ba.broadcast aren't interested in responding to crossposts to non-related newsgroups. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, "Karl Uppiano" wrote:
"SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... RHF wrote: SFTV - DOH ! - Internet Radio - Ain't Radio * It's Wire-to-Wire -aka- Telegraph / Telephone It makes no difference to the computer inside the radio whether the 24 kbit/s data arrived by wire, wireless, a floppy disc, or CD. Data is data. It will all sound the same. Yes, but radio is wireless. And why would the computer that's receiving the AAC stream care about that? |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
In article . com,
SFTV_troy wrote: HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s. Check if out for yourself: Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235 Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544 Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756 americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309 UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151 Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612 Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670 70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866 80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883 Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085 Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853 Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275 Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037 UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849 Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908 Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814 EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605 Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848 Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
----------------------------------------------------------------------- "SFTV_troy" wrote in message ups.com... HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio Mondiale, and DAB+. It provides FM quality sound at only 24 kbit/s. Check if out for yourself: Soft Hits- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=82235 Classical- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=160544 Big Band- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=872756 americana- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=199309 UK Jazz- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3151 Guitar- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=612 Classic Rock- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=61670 70s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8866 80s- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3883 Oldies- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=2085 Arab- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=853 Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=985275 Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=233037 UK Top 40- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8849 Ambient- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=8908 Techno- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4814 EU trance-shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=1605 Trance- shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=3848 The frequency response sounds like that of FM, but it has that swishy sound of compressed audio. -- Regards from Virginia Beach, Earl Kiosterud www.smokeylake.com |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Sep 30, 5:11 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio Mondiale, and DAB+. 1) The ACC is an athletic conference within the NCAA. You mean AAC. 2) There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. "HD Radio" is a trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. IBOC has three modes of operation: hybrid, extended hybrid, and all digital. All three are part of "HD Radio." 3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE- AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you could I would love to know about it. - Jonathan |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Telamon wrote: Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. Actually I just had my ears tested, and I still have high frequency response up to 18,000 hertz. I doubt a man of your advance age (somewhere around 55?), can say the same. If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound. Oh well. Be a hard-headed, calcified old fart, who is so set in his ways, he's like a marble statue. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Earl Kiosterud wrote: The frequency response sounds like that of FM, but it has that swishy sound of compressed audio. That's a fair assessment. I find it comparable to the constant background "hiss" that plagues FM. I guess it's a good thing AM-HD stations broadcast at 40 kbps then. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
jhardis wrote: On Sep 30, 5:11 pm, SFTV_troy wrote: HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio Mondiale, and DAB+. 1) The ACC is an athletic conference within the NCAA. You mean AAC. The "AAC girls" was Playboy's best issue. ;-) 2) There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. HD Radio is a trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. False. Go look it up on wikipedia, and you will see a link to an email from the HD Alliance. That email confirms that HD means Hybrid Digital. 3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE- AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you could I would love to know about it. (1) Wikipedia states it is AAC. (2) Even if wiki is wrong, you find that SBR codecs are the most- advanced. Take MP3pro for example, which is essentially MP3 + SBR. It routinely ties with AAC+SBR in listening tests. (3) iBiquity has already stated it is "based on MPEG4", the most- advanced standard currently available for audio compression. So to summarize: We know definitely that it's MPEG4 with SBR. We know wikipedia states it is based upon AAC. It's safe to make an educated guess that HDC == MPEG4 AAC+SBR, or a derivation thereof. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:59:12 -0700, jhardis
wrote: 2) There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. "HD Radio" is a trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. IBOC has three modes of operation: hybrid, extended hybrid, and all digital. All three are part of "HD Radio." iNiquity wants to piggy-back on the gullible public's awareness that HDTV means "high definition TV". We b/c engineers know that HD Radio means High Distortion Radio. -- Phil Kane Beaverton, OR |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
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YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
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YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Eric F. Richards wrote: wrote: Telamon wrote: Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. Actually I just had my ears tested, and I still have high frequency response up to 18,000 hertz. I doubt a man of your advance age (somewhere around 55?), can say the same. But can you recognize music? Any concept of tone? Yes I know what's music, thank you very much. I bet you were a lot more open-minded when you were in your twenties. (And your parents probably wondered why you listened to that Big Band and Jazz stuff, and thought you had poor taste.) Now you've turned into them. Close-minded. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Telamon wrote: wrote: Telamon wrote: Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound. I have actually listened to several radios and have experimented with different bandwidths.... So NO you didn't bother to listen to the HE-AAC encodings, and have no clue how they sound. Thanks for clarifying that. ----- You should not judge something of which you've never heard. That's like saying "chocolate ice cream tastes bad" when you've never even tried any. I bet you were a lot cooler person in your 20's. More open-minded. But now you've lost that - you've turned into a close-minded, arrogant, and rude man ("Troy has a tin ear"). What would your mother think if she saw how you talk to others? |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Silence. I guess you don't want to admit you were wrong, huh J
Hardis? On Oct 1, 8:58 am, wrote: jhardis wrote: There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. HD Radio is a trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. False. Go look it up on wikipedia and you will see a link to an email from the HD Alliance. That email confirms that HD means Hybrid Digital. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On 2007-10-02 07:11:40 -0700, David said:
"HD Radio" is a trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. Image http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/peterh5322/HD_Radio_Mark.jpg Word Mark HD RADIO Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "HD" and " RADIO" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:59:12 -0700, jhardis
wrote: On Sep 30, 5:11 pm, SFTV_troy wrote: HE-ACC + SBR is the codec used in Hybrid Digital Radio, Digital Radio Mondiale, and DAB+. 1) The ACC is an athletic conference within the NCAA. You mean AAC. 2) There is no such thing as "Hybrid Digital" radio. "HD Radio" is a trademark of iBiquity Digital Corp for their IBOC implementation, and the "HD" doesn't mean anything in particular. IBOC has three modes of operation: hybrid, extended hybrid, and all digital. All three are part of "HD Radio." 3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE- AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you could I would love to know about it. - Jonathan The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't they. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Eric F. Richards wrote: Eric F. Richards wrote: Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future employability. I find this ironic coming from the person who insulted me FIRST. What? You think it's okay to insult me, but heaven forbid I try to defend myself from such vicious attacks? Hypocrite. If you don't want me insulting you, then you should call me "tin ear" |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Oct 2, 6:37 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote: Eric F. Richards wrote: Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future employability. I find this ironic coming from the person who insulted me FIRST. What? You think it's okay to insult me, but heaven forbid I try to defend myself from such vicious attacks? Hypocrite. If you don't want me insulting you, then you should call me "tin ear" Okay, you're tin ear. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
SFTV_troy wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote: Eric F. Richards wrote: Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. Now why don't you go out and continue ****ing off some of the most premier engineers in this field? You're doing wonders for your future employability. I find this ironic coming from the person who insulted me FIRST. What? You think it's okay to insult me, but heaven forbid I try to defend myself from such vicious attacks? Hypocrite. If you don't want me insulting you, then you should call me "tin ear" First off, you came in here, guns blazing, ****ing everyone in sight off. THEN you go after a widely recognized, renowned engineer and call him stupid. I'm not calling an engineer stupid. I'm calling a vo-tech flunkie stupid, stupid. (THAT's an insult. To vo-tech grads everywhere.) I'm also saying you need some basic training in listening to music because your samples that you've presented sound like ****. Finally, may I point out to you that Peter David writes children's books? Good ones, granted, but they are aimed to adolescent boys. When will you move up to more challenging material? |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
In article om,
wrote: Telamon wrote: wrote: Telamon wrote: Been there, done that Mr. Tin ear. If you bothered to TRY those stations, instead of being a close-minded old grandpa, you'd probably be surprised how good they sound. I have actually listened to several radios and have experimented with different bandwidths.... So NO you didn't bother to listen to the HE-AAC encodings, and have no clue how they sound. Thanks for clarifying that. ----- You should not judge something of which you've never heard. That's like saying "chocolate ice cream tastes bad" when you've never even tried any. I have the radios. I did the bandwidth experiments with them and compared to the sound files I down loaded from various web sites and played them. You clearly have not done any of this so your opinion is baseless. You sure act like a moron. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Oct 2, 10:11 am, David wrote:
3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE- AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you could I would love to know about it. The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't they. Of the three companies you mention, Coding Technologies is the one that has an AAC+SBR implementation (under the tradename aacPlus). But you miss the point. You are relying on inferences and guesswork for something that -- whether a correct guess or an incorrect guess -- ought to be public information, but isn't. This is of great concern to me because of its consequences. For more information, please see: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...t=6519550 109 and the hyperlinked footnotes within. - Jonathan |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:29:31 -0700, jhardis
wrote: On Oct 2, 10:11 am, David wrote: 3) "HD Radio" uses a codec known as HDC (a.k.a. "HD Codec"). While iBiquity has acknowledged that it uses SBR, they have pointedly declined to discuss whether or not it has any other similarity to HE- AAC. I doubt that you could cite an authoritative source, but if you could I would love to know about it. The players (companies) are the same as the ones who implement AAC+SBR, e.g. Fraunhaufer and Coding Technologies and Neural, aren't they. Of the three companies you mention, Coding Technologies is the one that has an AAC+SBR implementation (under the tradename aacPlus). But you miss the point. You are relying on inferences and guesswork for something that -- whether a correct guess or an incorrect guess -- ought to be public information, but isn't. This is of great concern to me because of its consequences. For more information, please see: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...t=6519550 109 and the hyperlinked footnotes within. - Jonathan You make it sound like I give a rat's ass. I have Sirius and it sounds great. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
Eric F. Richards wrote: First off, you came in here, guns blazing This isn't some private mens' club. It's public. Anyone can post any thing, at any time. PROPER netiquette dictates that your *welcome* visitors, not insult them by saying they are stupid or have tin ears, or accuse them of being trolls. YOU are to blame with your lousy behavior. I merely am defending myself from the hostility. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Oct 3, 7:44 am, wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote: First off, you came in here, guns blazing This isn't some private mens' club. It's public. Anyone can post any thing, at any time. PROPER netiquette dictates that your *welcome* visitors, not insult them by saying they are stupid or have tin ears, or accuse them of being trolls. YOU are to blame with your lousy behavior. I merely am defending myself from the hostility. You're not a visitor. You're a troll. |
YES Virginia, 24 kbit/s can sound good (with HE-AAC codec)
On Oct 2, 8:50 pm, Telamon
wrote: You sure act like a moron. Frak you. |
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