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On Oct 5, 2:09 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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What Radio claims,...and I can speak with some clarity, here, having
been involved in the process for a good chunk of my career, even up to
this last spring,...is that what it does is dicated to by the public,
based on focus groups, perceptual research, and music tests in front of
listeners. And that advertisers and listeners respond positively. What
Radio doesn't tell you, is that the focus groups are highly selected
from
'desirable' listeners, as defined by advertiser requirements and
expectations,

Now that is a generalization that my fit one company, but in every
experience I have, with a dozen research companies I have delt with, as
well
as our own, such a statement is, if not an exaggeration, a lie.

Most listener research is done to best serve an existing format. So one
picks mostly one's own listeners.... and generally, those who listen a
lot
(so they will know the music or format or hosts or whatever) and tries to
find what will serve them better. Some secondary listeners are picked...
those who may listen more to another station, but who also have enough
interest in our station to know about the music or the programming.

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Well I must admit that sure does sound like you to pick a small group of
people that will reinforce your own thinking. Since it serves your
purpose I don't expect you to see the incestuous nature of what you
promote.

Of course, your rabid statement does not explain why we have the top two
radio stations in Los Angeles, and have for nearly all of the last 10 years
or why we have a limited coverage class A FM that does so well it is in the
top 5 or 6 in 25-53 in LA among over 60 local stations.\

No, it is crass commercialism that explains this.

Next...


Of course, a fool like you who even questions Bob Orban and then is nasty to
him can be expected to be oblivious to reality.

Why should Bob Orban be questioned? Are you his little slave boy or
something?

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On Oct 5, 9:53 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:


KSCA #1 LA, has been #1 or #2 12+ and 25-54 since Spring, 1997.

KLVE #2 in LA, has been #1 or #2 in 25-54 (all that matters) 90% of books
from 1995 till today.

KRCD (simulcast) Top 10 in 26-54 most of last 8 years.

I'm very happy for them. Too bad this isn't relevant to anything here,
though.




Of course, a fool like you who even questions Bob Orban and then is nasty
to
him can be expected to be oblivious to reality.

Of course a fool like you would expect Bob Orban to just show up in the
news group all of a sudden.

He is a regular, if not frequent, poster to ba.broadcast over the years, and
always has something interesting or positive to post about.

And I suspect most of his posts in ba.broadcast are on topic. It's a
pity he won't keep his posts to RRS on topic.

The reason he
has showed up in the shortwave group is because of crossposting, not a
sudden interest in shortwave.

And why did you show up here? Was that also the result of
crossposting? If so, perhaps you should figure out how to correct it.
Surely Univision has a tech person somewhere who could help you.

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On Oct 6, 12:51 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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KSCA #1 LA, has been #1 or #2 12+ and 25-54 since Spring, 1997.

KLVE #2 in LA, has been #1 or #2 in 25-54 (all that matters) 90% of books
from 1995 till today.

KRCD (simulcast) Top 10 in 26-54 most of last 8 years.

Well , I'm in that age group and don't listen to those stations so there
must be something wrong with your numbers.

You are not in the LA radio market, either. The numbers come right from
Arbitron; the 12+ top line numbers are on the Arbitron website. Or atwww.rr.comunder "ratings. "

He is a regular, if not frequent, poster to ba.broadcast over the
years, and always has something interesting or positive to post
about. The reason he has showed up in the shortwave group is because
of crossposting, not a sudden interest in shortwave.

You and Bob seem to share the same reading comprehension problems.

You obviously have no idea who you are talking about when you refer to Bob
Orban that way.

Are you and Bob the same person? If not, are you lovers? What's going
on here?

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On Oct 6, 2:41 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name is
Orban.

Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

Oh, now there's a failsafe way to verify someone's identify. Just go
to a usenet group and ask! Lol

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KRCD (simulcast) Top 10 in 26-54 most of last 8 years.

Telamon wrote:

Well , I'm in that age group and don't listen to those stations so there
must be something wrong with your numbers.

Amazing, just amazing!

Your above statement speaks volumes about you. "Gee, you didn't include
the great Telamonkey, so something must be wrong with your numbers".

IMHO, in addition to being a hypocrite, you can now add narcissistic and
egotistical to your list of "credentials".

You state there must be something wrong with the study because YOU, one
person, does not listen. The world revolves around Telamonkey.
Telamonkey didn't listen, so let's throw out the entire study.

Yeah, right...

Gad, what a spectacular ego!

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On Oct 6, 12:51 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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KSCA #1 LA, has been #1 or #2 12+ and 25-54 since Spring, 1997.

KLVE #2 in LA, has been #1 or #2 in 25-54 (all that matters) 90% of
books
from 1995 till today.

KRCD (simulcast) Top 10 in 26-54 most of last 8 years.

Well , I'm in that age group and don't listen to those stations so
there
must be something wrong with your numbers.

You are not in the LA radio market, either. The numbers come right from
Arbitron; the 12+ top line numbers are on the Arbitron website. Or
atwww.rr.comunder "ratings. "

Why should we believe you when you say this? You've lied about
everything a person can lie about in this group, and then you act
surprised when no one believes you. Please note that, as I've said
before, you now have the credibility of a 13 year old's myspace page.
No one is going to believe you (except perhaps a 13 year old or two).

www.arbitron.com Top Line Ratings.

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"dxAce" wrote in message
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Did you and Bob attend Harvard together?

I'm wondering if Bob had an amateur license just like Edweenie's!

You have no idea who you are talking about. Google "Optimod" and see what
you get. Google "Bob Orban" and look again.

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David Eduardo wrote:

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Did you and Bob attend Harvard together?

I'm wondering if Bob had an amateur license just like Edweenie's!

You have no idea who you are talking about. Google "Optimod" and see what
you get. Google "Bob Orban" and look again.

Actually, I was talking about you, retard!

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On Oct 6, 11:49 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Oct 6, 12:51 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

KSCA #1 LA, has been #1 or #2 12+ and 25-54 since Spring, 1997.

KLVE #2 in LA, has been #1 or #2 in 25-54 (all that matters) 90% of
books
from 1995 till today.

KRCD (simulcast) Top 10 in 26-54 most of last 8 years.

Well , I'm in that age group and don't listen to those stations so
there
must be something wrong with your numbers.

You are not in the LA radio market, either. The numbers come right from
Arbitron; the 12+ top line numbers are on the Arbitron website. Or
atwww.rr.comunder"ratings. "

Why should we believe you when you say this? You've lied about
everything a person can lie about in this group, and then you act
surprised when no one believes you. Please note that, as I've said
before, you now have the credibility of a 13 year old's myspace page.
No one is going to believe you (except perhaps a 13 year old or two).

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You failed to answer the question. Again.

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On Oct 6, 11:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Did you and Bob attend Harvard together?

I'm wondering if Bob had an amateur license just like Edweenie's!

You have no idea who you are talking about. Google "Optimod" and see what
you get. Google "Bob Orban" and look again.

I just googled both. So what?

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On Oct 6, 11:50 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

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Did you and Bob attend Harvard together?

I'm wondering if Bob had an amateur license just like Edweenie's!

You have no idea who you are talking about. Google "Optimod" and see what
you get. Google "Bob Orban" and look again.

Sorry Tardo but we don't want to be part of your little Univision
circle jerk.

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Did you and Bob attend Harvard together?

I'm wondering if Bob had an amateur license just like Edweenie's!

You have no idea who you are talking about. Google "Optimod" and see what
you get. Google "Bob Orban" and look again.

This is about you bozo, not someone else.

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Ventura, California

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Oct 6, 12:51 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

KSCA #1 LA, has been #1 or #2 12+ and 25-54 since Spring, 1997.

KLVE #2 in LA, has been #1 or #2 in 25-54 (all that matters) 90% of
books
from 1995 till today.

KRCD (simulcast) Top 10 in 26-54 most of last 8 years.

Well , I'm in that age group and don't listen to those stations so
there
must be something wrong with your numbers.

You are not in the LA radio market, either. The numbers come right from
Arbitron; the 12+ top line numbers are on the Arbitron website. Or
atwww.rr.comunder "ratings. "

Why should we believe you when you say this? You've lied about
everything a person can lie about in this group, and then you act
surprised when no one believes you. Please note that, as I've said
before, you now have the credibility of a 13 year old's myspace page.
No one is going to believe you (except perhaps a 13 year old or two).

www.arbitron.com Top Line Ratings.

Your Usenet rating is at the bottom.

--
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Ventura, California

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Billy Burpelson wrote:

KRCD (simulcast) Top 10 in 26-54 most of last 8 years.

Telamon wrote:

Well , I'm in that age group and don't listen to those stations so there
must be something wrong with your numbers.

Amazing, just amazing!

Your above statement speaks volumes about you. "Gee, you didn't include
the great Telamonkey, so something must be wrong with your numbers".

IMHO, in addition to being a hypocrite, you can now add narcissistic and
egotistical to your list of "credentials".

You state there must be something wrong with the study because YOU, one
person, does not listen. The world revolves around Telamonkey.
Telamonkey didn't listen, so let's throw out the entire study.

Yeah, right...

Gad, what a spectacular ego!

Well, el-moron I'm not alone. I actually live here, have neighbors,
friends, family. I know many that live in Ventura county and work in LA.
There are many people at work here in Ventura county that live in LA.
There are these things called freeways clogged everyday in both
directions with people going from where I live to LA and back.

Eduardo does not even realize the number of people that drive route 1
and 101 from Ventura county to LA. That's just one way I know he is a
complete fake... like you for instance.

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Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

Do you post as David Eduardo there? If so that's a screen name as your real name is
David Frackelton Gleason!

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

You mean like you for instance?

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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On Oct 6, 2:01 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name is
Orban.

Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.

The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.- Hide quoted text -

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You mean phony screen names like "Eduardo"?

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"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name
is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

Do you post as David Eduardo there? If so that's a screen name as your
real name is
David Frackelton Gleason!

I am using my two given names. The other two are surnames.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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..
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name
is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

You mean like you for instance?

I use my given names, Identify who I am frequently by reference or by link
to my website. If I look for a Telemon or Telamon or Taliman or whatever, I
get nothing of use.

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On Oct 4, 2:22 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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What Radio claims,...and I can speak with some clarity, here, having
been involved in the process for a good chunk of my career, even up to
this last spring,...is that what it does is dicated to by the public,
based on focus groups, perceptual research, and music tests in front of
listeners. And that advertisers and listeners respond positively. What
Radio doesn't tell you, is that the focus groups are highly selected from
'desirable' listeners, as defined by advertiser requirements and
expectations,

Now that is a generalization that my fit one company, but in every
experience I have, with a dozen research companies I have delt with, as well
as our own, such a statement is, if not an exaggeration, a lie.

Most listener research is done to best serve an existing format. So one
picks mostly one's own listeners.... and generally, those who listen a lot
(so they will know the music or format or hosts or whatever) and tries to
find what will serve them better. Some secondary listeners are picked...
those who may listen more to another station, but who also have enough
interest in our station to know about the music or the programming.

I have never heard the word "advertiser" mentionend in the recruit specs for
a music test or a perceptual. The usual things a age (concentrated in the
ages where aobut 75% to 80% of the station listeners are located) sex (in
balance with Arbitron audience composition), ethnicity (a CHR in LA might do
half and half Other and Hispanic), and a minimum usage of the P1 or P2
station under study to insure knowledge of the station music or format.

Most radio researchers do not use focus groups. For music tests, most
research on ongoing stations is several music tests a year, to determine
what to play and what not to, and how often. Again, no advertiser
involvement, and the sales department seldom even knows a test is done.

and those focus groups of highly selected 'desirable' listeners, go on to
form, or define, the essential language used in perceptuals that are used
in determining the formatics, playlists and production elements of the
radio station to serve the 'desirable' listener.

I have never seen this done this way. You may have. If you did, it was done
wrong.

Focus groups are ´perceptuals, and perceptual research is based generally on
a combination of neutral questions with attention on low interviewer bias.
Most radio perceptuals are done on the phone, and are a combination of open
ended, scaled and fixed response questions. The secret is in the cross
tabulation of the hard data, like demos, and the frequency in each cell of a
particular verbatim from an open ended question.

Format searches are the broadest, usually done by playing pods of many
different kinde of music and doing a question set on like / intent /
availability and canibalization questions. I've done ones with up to 17
different pods, and also done ones where a follow up with blends of pods
were tested.



Music tests, themselves are comprised of highly selected listeners to
respond to songs, for the purpose of determining playlists to serve
'desirable' listeners.

The only desirable listener is the one who will listen a long time. The only
filters are age, sex (are they where most of the listeners are), ethnicity,
and hours of listening to that "kind" of music on our station or a very
similar competitor. For example, WLEY in Chicago is going to test 21-39 year
olds (that is where over 80% of listeners already are), 100% mexican (that
is the format... Mexican music), 60% men (that is the balance for the
format, for them and everyone) and mostly those who listen a minimum of an
hour a day to them, or maybe 5 hours a week to them and 5 minimum a week to
music on WOJO.

There is nothing desirable or undesirable there... just a snapshot of the
listener and potential listener, eliminating those who do not listen enough
to radio to know the music... because they could not score it appropriately
if they do not know it.

Crest does not do research with people who wear dentures... there is always
selection based on who will be the heavy users of any service or goods.



It's a closed loop. Created to meet the needs of advertisers first. And
then attract the advertisers 'desirable' listeners to the radio station.

No such thing. I have participated in well over 100 tests from vendors, and
have done close to 1000 projects myself, as well as an equal or greater
number of call out cycles and a few hundred perceptual projects. None has
ever had the word "advertiser" attached or implied.



Formats are specifically chosen to meet an advertiser's need.

No, the only place this comes into play is in the knowing that there is no
revenue in 12-17 or 55+ so we don't even look for that kind of format
because it is not viable.



Nowhere in the process, is the concept of 'serving in the pubic
interest' apparent. Even ascertainment, at most of the stations I've been
involved with, has been done with a closed loop.

Finding out what songs the listeners want to hear is not serving? Finding
out what topics and content morning and talk show listeners want is not
serving? Finding out how often and what roads are important for traffic
reports is not serving?



So, Roy, it's a lot more than just a Radio believing it has the right
to be paid for it's product. It's more like Radio believing the public
exists to serve Radio and Advertising. And to select what will be and will
not be acceptable for it's listeners, by manipulating its own research.

That's just plain BS. You started with a false premise that audience
research is something that it is not, and took it from there.



Jim Collins, in "Good to Great" said the hallmark of good research is
that it produces something that you don't expect. The hallmark of GREAT
research is that it gives you something you don't like.

The main purpose of music testing is to get rid of the stiffs. In talent
testing, it is to get rid of negatives. In staiton testing, it is to find
defects and correct them. That is the whole purpose of research... enhance
the good, modify the bad.



Radio has neither been surprised, nor disappointed, with its research,
since John Sebastian ruined KHJ.

I can take the best research and make a crappy station. Research is a tool.
I can take carpentry tools and ruin a lot of fine wood too. It's also about
the skills of the station staff.



Listen to how David Gleason presents his case...all based on numbers
that are highly selected, and highly interpreted. Numbers, which
themselves are based on responses of individuals that are highly selected.

No, they are not selected. If I say AM listening in LA is 17% of the total
listening, 12+, how is that selected? The Arbitron universe is not selected,
it is as close as possibly to a totally proportional sample, where everyone
has the same weight



Which is kind of amusing. Because where Radio has dared to open the
loop, risks have been high, but successes have been huge.

We do that all the time, with the aid of research. My overnight guy from
KWIZ in Santa Ana now has about 3 million daily cume on 40 stations. Our "it
won't work" Mexican adult hits is now on 12 stations and #1 or #2 Spanish
language. My "it won't work here" 100% local artist rock station in Buenos
Aires was #1 in a month, front page news in the press, and had never been
done before in a market with over 250 stations (more than 100 LPFM
equivalents, for example). We look outside the loop all the time. It is
usually the listeners who tell us where to look.

Doesn't matter. You're BUSTED.

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On Oct 6, 5:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name
is
Orban.

Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.

The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

Do you post as David Eduardo there? If so that's a screen name as your
real name is
David Frackelton Gleason!

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Using, hiding...whatever. We're not going to play your childish
semantic games.

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David Eduardo wrote:

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name
is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

Do you post as David Eduardo there? If so that's a screen name as your
real name is
David Frackelton Gleason!

I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name
is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

You mean like you for instance?

I use my given names, Identify who I am frequently by reference or by link
to my website. If I look for a Telemon or Telamon or Taliman or whatever, I
get nothing of use.

Well get the handle right and you will see many references on the web.
Gee how tough can it be to do this.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message

et.
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I know the name. I just don't believe the poster boy using his name
is
Orban.


Go ask on ba.broadcast if it is really him.

And what will be the result. Other handles coming back saying sure
that's him?

Well, this isn't about Bob, this is about you.


The newsgroup regulars are well known and identified. None hide behind
screen names, as you do.

You mean like you for instance?

I use my given names, Identify who I am frequently by reference or by link
to my website. If I look for a Telemon or Telamon or Taliman or whatever, I
get nothing of use.

You make a lot of crap up including about who you are. My IP address is
in every post I make. The city I live in is in my signature. There is
not much anonymous about me. At least what you know about me is true,
which is not something you can say about yourself Mr. Pretender.

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Ventura, California

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!


I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web, maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:52:43 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!


I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web, maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

tobe honest he knows but he chooses to pretend he does not so he can
attack you for something to devert atention for the real point

(someone needs o state these obvious turth "aloud" every now and then)

"one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress"
adams

woger you are a Congress all in your own head

http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/
altopia is never used by KB9RQZ
nor is ever udsed on the usenet from anywhere but google

posts from these sorucees are fakes

and get ou the newly recovered KB9RQZ.blogspot.com as well

G

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On Oct 6, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!

I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web, maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

d'Eduardo,

Forget Foreign Documents written in a Foreign Language :
What Does your California Driver's License and Federal
Social Security Card have written on them as your True
and Correct Name in the English Language ?

facts are facts ~ RHF
.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!


I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web, maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

"David Eduardo Frackelton Gleason Frackelton" let's call you "David
Eduardo Gleason Frackelton * 2" from now on.

For short that would be DEGF II.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You make a lot of crap up including about who you are. My IP address is
in every post I make. The city I live in is in my signature. There is
not much anonymous about me. At least what you know about me is true,
which is not something you can say about yourself Mr. Pretender.

All I know about you is that you are in Venchurra County, and have no facts
about how radio is used. IP addresses can easily be faked or masked. So you
have about zero identity.

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"RHF" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Oct 6, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!

I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web,
maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never
figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

d'Eduardo,

Forget Foreign Documents written in a Foreign Language :
What Does your California Driver's License and Federal
Social Security Card have written on them as your True
and Correct Name in the English Language ?

CDL says David Eduardo and my two last names. Has since I came to the US in
1992. I have not had a physical SS card for 40 years, so I do not know how
it would read.

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On Oct 6, 10:24 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



You make a lot of crap up including about who you are. My IP address is
in every post I make. The city I live in is in my signature. There is
not much anonymous about me. At least what you know about me is true,
which is not something you can say about yourself Mr. Pretender.

All I know about you is that you are in Venchurra County, and have no facts
about how radio is used. IP addresses can easily be faked or masked. So you
have about zero identity.

He has enough identity to keep you coming back here dozens of times a
day in varying states of distress and aggravation. I'd say that's
identity enough. Lol.

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On Oct 6, 10:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

ps.com...
On Oct 6, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"dxAce" wrote in message

...

I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!

I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web,
maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never
figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

d'Eduardo,

Forget Foreign Documents written in a Foreign Language :
What Does your California Driver's License and Federal
Social Security Card have written on them as your True
and Correct Name in the English Language ?

CDL says David Eduardo and my two last names. Has since I came to the US in
1992. I have not had a physical SS card for 40 years, so I do not know how
it would read.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's not all you don't know.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You make a lot of crap up including about who you are. My IP address is
in every post I make. The city I live in is in my signature. There is
not much anonymous about me. At least what you know about me is true,
which is not something you can say about yourself Mr. Pretender.

All I know about you is that you are in Venchurra County, and have no facts
about how radio is used. IP addresses can easily be faked or masked. So you
have about zero identity.

The IP address is correct and my account is with Pacbell / AT&T and
that's Ventura county bubba.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Frackelton Gleason, who is a bit like a $3 bill, wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You make a lot of crap up including about who you are. My IP address is
in every post I make. The city I live in is in my signature. There is
not much anonymous about me. At least what you know about me is true,
which is not something you can say about yourself Mr. Pretender.

All I know about you is that you are in Venchurra County, and have no facts
about how radio is used.

All we know about you Edweenie is that you have little or no documentation to
back up your statements!

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, who is a bit like a $3 bill, wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You make a lot of crap up including about who you are. My IP address is
in every post I make. The city I live in is in my signature. There is
not much anonymous about me. At least what you know about me is true,
which is not something you can say about yourself Mr. Pretender.

All I know about you is that you are in Venchurra County, and have no
facts
about how radio is used.

All we know about you Edweenie is that you have little or no documentation
to
back up your statements!

Oh, right! I forgot that you claim stations are listened to _in_ your county
that.... I hate to break it to you... aren't. The little listening to LA
stations in Ventura County is mostly in the area right on the LA County
border, or in cars and at work inside LA County. All I have is the data for
the last 10 years from Arbitron for both markets, based in total on about
350,000 diaries and something like 5 million listening incidents.

The one with no documentation is you, as you base your comments on what you
can get on your radios.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-

I live in the city of Ventura in Ventura county. I gave you data on what
was "listen-able" as a strong signal where I live in response to your
postings about your claim that all markets (1) only have 1 to 3 strong
signals to listen to the rest being to weak to provide noise free
listening.

I am not the only one to apply this proven-by-actual-listening standard.
BIA, the data source for advertisers, investors, raido companies, lenders,
etc., shows very few "viable" AMs in rated markets. There are, in fact, only
about 250 in the top 100 US markets per that source.

Well, that's not the argument now is it o' fake one. A station with a
signal strong enough to be noise free has not much to do with your faked
marketing numbers.

You then build on the false fact that (2) since these other
weak stations are noisy people do not listen to them. Then you extend
this assertion to (3) your perversion of marketing data that other
people do not have access to that those marketing numbers show the same.

I am sorry that Arbitron does not give away the research that costs about a
billion dollars a year to produce for the radio stations it has contracts
with. I challenge you to find a friendly subscriber who will do some
Maximi$er runs on your area of Ventura County or otherwise gain access to
the data.

You are not sorry. You are proud to have singular access to this this
data among the posters to this news group. You think this makes your
arguments irrefutable but their is a problem with that thinking as that
data and facts derived from them have nothing to do with your original
assertion.

You will find that, while many signals may be receivable, meaning that there
is enough signal in the area to get the station if one tries, most are not
listenable. Listenable means that real listeners find that the station is
clear and loud enough to be enjoyed; in a car it means it will stop the seek
function and will be relatively immune from power line noise, etc.

Nope, that's not what I found. I gave you empirical data from table top,
car, and hand held radio that refutes such an assertion.

The stations you mentioned in prior posts do not meet the "listenable"
criteria because the signals are hearable but not used or usable by the
average listener.

Well if you were a real person you could find out in about 60 minutes
but since you are fake I guess you can't.

Well I'm sorry to burst your bubble but I provided empirical evidence to
point one above so the rest can't follow. Now I know that logic like any
other technical issue goes right over your head but that's your unique
cross to bear. So again Mr. Fake hispanic / engineer / marketing guru
this is your failure to understand nothing else.

Simple fact: there is essentially no listening to weak signals. When the
signal is harder to tune, gets interference or static or noise, people do
not listen. This is shown by millions of listening incidents over many
years... outside the strongest signal areas, there is no listening. It does
not matter what the principle is that determines attenuation of signals...
bad signals do not get listening of any consequence.

The facts you imagine are not reality.

Since you claim to live in LA you could hop in the car for a 60 minute
drive with the 7600GR you claim to own and see for yourself but being a
fake you can't do that now can you.

Most radio listening does not take place in the car. And driving around with
one expensive radio that is not typical of that which the average listener
has is not a good test. A better test is to do MapMaker(tm) runs with
Arbitron data (description at arbitron.com) and compare the listening
locations against the signal contours.

So after spending the 60 minutes driving time with the car radio step
out of car with your fake 7600GR portable and tune around on it. With
your fake 7600GR in hand and the list of stations I gave you in the
other hand find out for yourself.

Next.

Right. What nonsense will you post next?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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On Oct 6, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!

I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web, maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

d'Eduardo - cis, Cis. CIS !

What does "CIS" mean in your El Mundo ? ~ RHF
.

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"RHF" wrote in message
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On Oct 6, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



I am using my two given names.

You weren't given ****, oh faux one. You made that up circa 2000!

I started using the "pair" of given names more frequently for the web,
maybe
around the time I first got CIS, which would be 1985 or 1986. The name was
given me when I was baptized, though. It's on my original baptismal
certificate. On my Cédula de Identidad in Ecuador, it was David Eduardo
Frackelton Gleason Frackelton, as my "American" middle name is also my
Maternal surname. You apparently, for all the DX you do, have never
figured
out that there are different naming conventions in different countries and
cultures.

d'Eduardo - cis, Cis. CIS !

What does "CIS" mean in your El Mundo ? ~ RHF

It's the acronym for Compuserve.