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BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
"BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind"
Well, yet another Top 40 station near me officially bit the dust almost exactly an hour ago. At noon Eastern time, the local Indianapolis pop/hip hop station, WNOU "Radio Now" 93.1, switched to a temporary format of all-Christmas-music-all-the-time through the end of the year, at which point it'll be replaced by an FM-dial version of local WIBC's news/talk format. The local owner of the station, Emmis Communications, has been on the financial ropes due to mismanagement and an overly-aggressive expansion strategy for quite some time now, as it struggled (and failed) to try to keep up with the radio-industry behemoth, Clear Channel Communications. But even Clear Channel has seen more than its fair share of financial woes lately, and what was once the 800-lb. gorilla in the radio universe is now on the cusp of having to be taken private just in order to be able to stay afloat. Emmis can spin-doctor its "choice" to switch from a music to a talk format all it wants, but anyone who's paying the slightest bit of attention in the radio industry knows damn well what is really going on here. The funding for the Clear Channel private equity deal dried up at about the same time that the RIAA released its latest batch of truly dismal numbers regarding the state of purchased recorded music in the country. Quite simply, no one cares about playlisted radio any more. Since it's becoming easier (not to mention cheaper) to put together one's own personalized playlists online through the myriad of streaming options available out there, even so-called "HD radio", which broadcasts in the digital frequencies between the regular analog ones, hasn't taken off the way industry peeps expected it to. And that means advertisers, the lifeblood of any "free" music station, have been deserting in droves for other avenues. Just about the only viable option LEFT on the FM dial any more is news/ talk, just as it was in the late seventies when listeners deserted AM en masse for greener pastures. And on-air yakkers are a lot cheaper to find, by the dozen, than their relatively more diva-esque DJ counterparts, who get paid just as much but are on the air something like 80% less. This is it, people. You read it here first. Music is officially dead. It's the end of the world. Society is on the brink of utter collapse. Get in your bomb shelters now, we're all gonna die. XD http://ozy-y2k.livejournal.com/338426.html Ha! Ha! Eduardo! |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message oups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 8, 1:39 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. This isn't what you've been saying. It's what you've been trying to cause. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 8, 1:39?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message oups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. That's right Steve - destroy AM with IBOC, then move the news/talk/ sports to FMs. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 8, 1:39?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message oups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. "Fresh FM vs. Stale FM" "'No FM' is really where I see the next generation and future ones heading. It is very unlikely they will redirect their attention from iPods, computers, social networks and, now, mobile devices back to a radio. And they certainly don't want a radio in these devices." http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...-stale-fm.html If continued lack of interest in music FMs don't kill them off, then the new royality rates will. The whole terrestrial industry is dying. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 8, 1:39?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message oups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. That's right Steve - destroy AM with IBOC, then move the news/talk/ sports to FMs. The ageing and decline of AM in salable demographics goes back to the 80's, and has simply gotton worse of late. It is an issue totally unrelated to HD. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 8, 2:21?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 8, 1:39?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message groups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. That's right Steve - destroy AM with IBOC, then move the news/talk/ sports to FMs. The ageing and decline of AM in salable demographics goes back to the 80's, and has simply gotton worse of late. It is an issue totally unrelated to HD. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And Gen Y has abandonded FM radio for iPods, cell phones, Satellite Radio, etc - as I said, your whole industy is screwed. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message ps.com... And Gen Y has abandonded FM radio for iPods, cell phones, Satellite Radio, etc - as I said, your whole industy is screwed. There is no evidence of this in radio listening surveys. There has been an erosion of time spent listening going back to the late 80's, but there is no hastening of the trend since the iPod or satellite radio became available. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 8, 2:15 pm, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Oct 8, 1:39?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message roups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. "Fresh FM vs. Stale FM" "'No FM' is really where I see the next generation and future ones heading. It is very unlikely they will redirect their attention from iPods, computers, social networks and, now, mobile devices back to a radio. And they certainly don't want a radio in these devices." http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...-stale-fm.html If continued lack of interest in music FMs don't kill them off, then the new royality rates will. The whole terrestrial industry is dying.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think you're probably right about that. People like to be in control of their own listening, and they like to have as many choices as possible, especially when it comes to music. FM broadcast will never be able to keep up with the internet or with ipods and similar devices. FM broadcast is already a dinosaur, but as we've seen many times in this group, some people love dinosaurs--especially when those people's professional interests are entangled with the fate of dinosaurs. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 8, 5:35 pm, Steve wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:15 pm, IBOCcrock wrote: On Oct 8, 1:39?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message roups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. "Fresh FM vs. Stale FM" "'No FM' is really where I see the next generation and future ones heading. It is very unlikely they will redirect their attention from iPods, computers, social networks and, now, mobile devices back to a radio. And they certainly don't want a radio in these devices." http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...-stale-fm.html If continued lack of interest in music FMs don't kill them off, then the new royality rates will. The whole terrestrial industry is dying.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think you're probably right about that. People like to be in control of their own listening, and they like to have as many choices as possible, especially when it comes to music. FM broadcast will never be able to keep up with the internet or with ipods and similar devices. FM broadcast is already a dinosaur, but as we've seen many times in this group, some people love dinosaurs--especially when those people's professional interests are entangled with the fate of dinosaurs.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You know- I can have all my own programmed music that I want - and the world has been able to do that since we started having 8 tracks in cars - then cassettes - then CD's - now ipods and MP3's - but I still like listening to the radio. Mostly - FM - some AM -- but I still - almost always turn on the radio. I listen to the stations that play all sorts of stuff and include commercials. I realize I am an oddity here -- but there are still people out there that prefer to listen to terrestial radio. It's a bit like choosing to watch non - cable TV stations as opposed to having dozens of channels to choose from courtesy of DISH networks. And I think - but I could be wrong - that terrestial radio will survive. Just like AM has survived since the advent of FM. AM is not the same animal it was - but it's still there. |
BROADCAST RADIO : It's Still Fun To Listen Too !
On Oct 8, 10:28 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
"BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind" Well, yet another Top 40 station near me officially bit the dust almost exactly an hour ago. At noon Eastern time, the local Indianapolis pop/hip hop station, WNOU "Radio Now" 93.1, switched to a temporary format of all-Christmas-music-all-the-time through the end of the year, at which point it'll be replaced by an FM-dial version of local WIBC's news/talk format. The local owner of the station, Emmis Communications, has been on the financial ropes due to mismanagement and an overly-aggressive expansion strategy for quite some time now, as it struggled (and failed) to try to keep up with the radio-industry behemoth, Clear Channel Communications. But even Clear Channel has seen more than its fair share of financial woes lately, and what was once the 800-lb. gorilla in the radio universe is now on the cusp of having to be taken private just in order to be able to stay afloat. Emmis can spin-doctor its "choice" to switch from a music to a talk format all it wants, but anyone who's paying the slightest bit of attention in the radio industry knows damn well what is really going on here. The funding for the Clear Channel private equity deal dried up at about the same time that the RIAA released its latest batch of truly dismal numbers regarding the state of purchased recorded music in the country. Quite simply, no one cares about playlisted radio any more. Since it's becoming easier (not to mention cheaper) to put together one's own personalized playlists online through the myriad of streaming options available out there, even so-called "HD radio", which broadcasts in the digital frequencies between the regular analog ones, hasn't taken off the way industry peeps expected it to. And that means advertisers, the lifeblood of any "free" music station, have been deserting in droves for other avenues. Just about the only viable option LEFT on the FM dial any more is news/ talk, just as it was in the late seventies when listeners deserted AM en masse for greener pastures. And on-air yakkers are a lot cheaper to find, by the dozen, than their relatively more diva-esque DJ counterparts, who get paid just as much but are on the air something like 80% less. This is it, people. You read it here first. Music is officially dead. It's the end of the world. Society is on the brink of utter collapse. Get in your bomb shelters now, we're all gonna die. XD http://ozy-y2k.livejournal.com/338426.html Ha! Ha! Eduardo! IBOC Crock, Why Are You So Anti-Traditional-Radio ? Your Life Appears To Revolve Around Getting Into People's Faces ! your's is a say life - happy to be me -and- very happy to be able to listen to 'free' radio over-the-air~ RHF |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 9, 5:32 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 8, 9:28 pm, " The question is whether the proponents of HD will succeed at destroying AM broadcasting. I don't think they will, but it's still playing out. If they don't, then like you I suspect that AM will survive. Today, 50 kw powerhouse WIBC in Indianapolis, the markets news talk station, announce it is moving to FM in 3 months. AM will not survive. d'Eduardo, eSpecially -if- IBOC Digital Hash Trashes the AM/MW Radio Band. This Failure is not iBquity's or the AM & FM Broadcast Industry : It is clearly the FAILURE of the FCC to Plan and Manage the Transition of Analog AM & FM Radio to the IBOC Radio Standard. IBOC and Digital Radio Broadcasting "Fits" the FM Radio Band Plan. IBOC and Digital Radio Broadcasting Does NOT 'Fit' the AM/MW Radio Band Plan. =IF= AM/MW Radio Is To Go Digital and Be Successful : The AM/MW Radio Band Plan Nedds To Be Re-Ordered With Greater Channel Spacing {25 kHz} -and- Far Fewer AM/MW Radio Stations. What Is Required Is - An Expanded FM Radio Band that uses the old Analog TV Channel 5 & 6 Frequency Range 76~88 Mhz for the Majority of former AM/MW Radio Stations to Transition to using IBOC. Mandates and Requirements by the FCC for all new AM/FM Radios to be IBOC Compliant and for All New Automobiles to have IBOC Radios as OEM Standard Equipment. Plus All AM/FM Radio Stations should be Broadcasting in IBOC by a Specific Date. Forcing All AM/MW Radio Broadcastors to Buy into AM/MW Radio IBOC -or- Buy into the Transition to FM Radio IBOC. -imho- the death of the am/mw radio band has 'fcc' written on it's headstone ~ RHF . Nope - IBOc still jams on FM. |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
On Oct 8, 11:10 pm, Steve wrote:
On Oct 8, 9:28 pm, " wrote: On Oct 8, 5:35 pm, Steve wrote: On Oct 8, 2:15 pm, IBOCcrock wrote: On Oct 8, 1:39?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message roups.com... Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Music is hardly dead... there are 20 FMs in the market, 16 with signals good enough to be considered viable. On single station that changed from a less-than-successful music format to talk does not mean music audiences are down... it just means that the change is on to move successful AM formats to Fm where they are accessible to under-55 listeners in a form they will use. WIBC (AM) has been third or fourth in the market in the last few years, and used to be a solid #1. The decline in 25-54 has affected them, so they are going to put the format on FM where they believe they can recover the younger, salable age groups. They will put a sports format on 1070, which is a good use of the facility. In that market, there is only one other AM in the top 20, a Black gospel station. After that, no AM has more than a 1 share. There were only 11 AM shares total in the market in Spring, and less than 7 shares in 25-54. WIBC moved to FM because their opportunities on AM were very limited and in decline. This is what I have been saying for years... the only viable AM format, talk, and its variants, will be moving to FM over the next few years and AM will be limited to very niche formats and brokered services at that point. "Fresh FM vs. Stale FM" "'No FM' is really where I see the next generation and future ones heading. It is very unlikely they will redirect their attention from iPods, computers, social networks and, now, mobile devices back to a radio. And they certainly don't want a radio in these devices." http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...-stale-fm.html If continued lack of interest in music FMs don't kill them off, then the new royality rates will. The whole terrestrial industry is dying.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think you're probably right about that. People like to be in control of their own listening, and they like to have as many choices as possible, especially when it comes to music. FM broadcast will never be able to keep up with the internet or with ipods and similar devices. FM broadcast is already a dinosaur, but as we've seen many times in this group, some people love dinosaurs--especially when those people's professional interests are entangled with the fate of dinosaurs.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You know- I can have all my own programmed music that I want - and the world has been able to do that since we started having 8 tracks in cars - then cassettes - then CD's - now ipods and MP3's - but I still like listening to the radio. Mostly - FM - some AM -- but I still - almost always turn on the radio. I listen to the stations that play all sorts of stuff and include commercials. I realize I am an oddity here -- but there are still people out there that prefer to listen to terrestial radio. It's a bit like choosing to watch non - cable TV stations as opposed to having dozens of channels to choose from courtesy of DISH networks. And I think - but I could be wrong - that terrestial radio will survive. Just like AM has survived since the advent of FM. AM is not the same animal it was - but it's still there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The question is whether the proponents of HD will succeed at destroying AM broadcasting. I don't think they will, but it's still playing out. If they don't, then like you I suspect that AM will survive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - News/talk/sports are highly-rated on AMs - the music FMs will go under first. |
BROADCAST RADIO : It's Still Fun To Listen Too !
On Oct 8, 9:50 pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:28 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind" Well, yet another Top 40 station near me officially bit the dust almost exactly an hour ago. At noon Eastern time, the local Indianapolis pop/hip hop station, WNOU "Radio Now" 93.1, switched to a temporary format of all-Christmas-music-all-the-time through the end of the year, at which point it'll be replaced by an FM-dial version of local WIBC's news/talk format. The local owner of the station, Emmis Communications, has been on the financial ropes due to mismanagement and an overly-aggressive expansion strategy for quite some time now, as it struggled (and failed) to try to keep up with the radio-industry behemoth, Clear Channel Communications. But even Clear Channel has seen more than its fair share of financial woes lately, and what was once the 800-lb. gorilla in the radio universe is now on the cusp of having to be taken private just in order to be able to stay afloat. Emmis can spin-doctor its "choice" to switch from a music to a talk format all it wants, but anyone who's paying the slightest bit of attention in the radio industry knows damn well what is really going on here. The funding for the Clear Channel private equity deal dried up at about the same time that the RIAA released its latest batch of truly dismal numbers regarding the state of purchased recorded music in the country. Quite simply, no one cares about playlisted radio any more. Since it's becoming easier (not to mention cheaper) to put together one's own personalized playlists online through the myriad of streaming options available out there, even so-called "HD radio", which broadcasts in the digital frequencies between the regular analog ones, hasn't taken off the way industry peeps expected it to. And that means advertisers, the lifeblood of any "free" music station, have been deserting in droves for other avenues. Just about the only viable option LEFT on the FM dial any more is news/ talk, just as it was in the late seventies when listeners deserted AM en masse for greener pastures. And on-air yakkers are a lot cheaper to find, by the dozen, than their relatively more diva-esque DJ counterparts, who get paid just as much but are on the air something like 80% less. This is it, people. You read it here first. Music is officially dead. It's the end of the world. Society is on the brink of utter collapse. Get in your bomb shelters now, we're all gonna die. XD http://ozy-y2k.livejournal.com/338426.html Ha! Ha! Eduardo! IBOC Crock, Why Are You So Anti-Traditional-Radio ? Your Life Appears To Revolve Around Getting Into People's Faces ! your's is a say life - happy to be me -and- very happy to be able to listen to 'free' radio over-the-air~ RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not anti-radio, just anti-Eduardo - I listen to WLW (if its not jammed by WOR), WBBM, and WCBS (for Yankees) every night from Maryland. I would be wiling to accept the downfall of terrestrial radio, if it meant the downfall of Eduardo. |
BROADCAST RADIO : It's Still Fun To Listen Too !
On Oct 9, 3:41 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Oct 8, 9:50 pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 8, 10:28 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind" Well, yet another Top 40 station near me officially bit the dust almost exactly an hour ago. At noon Eastern time, the local Indianapolis pop/hip hop station, WNOU "Radio Now" 93.1, switched to a temporary format of all-Christmas-music-all-the-time through the end of the year, at which point it'll be replaced by an FM-dial version of local WIBC's news/talk format. The local owner of the station, Emmis Communications, has been on the financial ropes due to mismanagement and an overly-aggressive expansion strategy for quite some time now, as it struggled (and failed) to try to keep up with the radio-industry behemoth, Clear Channel Communications. But even Clear Channel has seen more than its fair share of financial woes lately, and what was once the 800-lb. gorilla in the radio universe is now on the cusp of having to be taken private just in order to be able to stay afloat. Emmis can spin-doctor its "choice" to switch from a music to a talk format all it wants, but anyone who's paying the slightest bit of attention in the radio industry knows damn well what is really going on here. The funding for the Clear Channel private equity deal dried up at about the same time that the RIAA released its latest batch of truly dismal numbers regarding the state of purchased recorded music in the country. Quite simply, no one cares about playlisted radio any more. Since it's becoming easier (not to mention cheaper) to put together one's own personalized playlists online through the myriad of streaming options available out there, even so-called "HD radio", which broadcasts in the digital frequencies between the regular analog ones, hasn't taken off the way industry peeps expected it to. And that means advertisers, the lifeblood of any "free" music station, have been deserting in droves for other avenues. Just about the only viable option LEFT on the FM dial any more is news/ talk, just as it was in the late seventies when listeners deserted AM en masse for greener pastures. And on-air yakkers are a lot cheaper to find, by the dozen, than their relatively more diva-esque DJ counterparts, who get paid just as much but are on the air something like 80% less. This is it, people. You read it here first. Music is officially dead. It's the end of the world. Society is on the brink of utter collapse. Get in your bomb shelters now, we're all gonna die. XD http://ozy-y2k.livejournal.com/338426.html Ha! Ha! Eduardo! IBOC Crock, Why Are You So Anti-Traditional-Radio ? Your Life Appears To Revolve Around Getting Into People's Faces ! your's is a say life - happy to be me -and- very happy to be able to listen to 'free' radio over-the-air~ RHF .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not anti-radio, just anti-Eduardo - I listen to WLW (if its not jammed by WOR), WBBM, and WCBS (for Yankees) every night from Maryland. I would be wiling to accept the downfall of terrestrial radio, if it meant the downfall of Eduardo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - IBOC Crock, Sounds like you are 'committed' to "The Cause". ~ RHF |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 8, 9:28 pm, " The question is whether the proponents of HD will succeed at destroying AM broadcasting. I don't think they will, but it's still playing out. If they don't, then like you I suspect that AM will survive. Today, 50 kw powerhouse WIBC in Indianapolis, the markets news talk station, announce it is moving to FM in 3 months. However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. AM will not survive. You truly are retarded, 'Eduardo'. http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 dxAce Michigan USA |
BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind
David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 8, 9:28 pm, " The question is whether the proponents of HD will succeed at destroying AM broadcasting. I don't think they will, but it's still playing out. If they don't, then like you I suspect that AM will survive. Today, 50 kw powerhouse WIBC in Indianapolis, the markets news talk station, announce it is moving to FM in 3 months. However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But, just like KTAR in Phoenix, they substituted a 4 share format that went to FM for a format that maybe will get a 1 share to 1.5. Later, they can write the whole assets value off.... Much like folks have written you off, oh faux one? |
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David Frackelton Gleason, proving yet again that 'Eduardo' is s-l-o-w, wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 8, 9:28 pm, " The question is whether the proponents of HD will succeed at destroying AM broadcasting. I don't think they will, but it's still playing out. If they don't, then like you I suspect that AM will survive. Today, 50 kw powerhouse WIBC in Indianapolis, the markets news talk station, announce it is moving to FM in 3 months. However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! But, just like KTAR in Phoenix, they substituted a 4 share format that went to FM for a format that maybe will get a 1 share to 1.5. Later, they can write the whole assets value off.... |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. It will be replaced, at its dial position, by a different station with different call letters and a different format... and less listening potential. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. It will be replaced, at its dial position, by a different station with different call letters and a different format... and less listening potential. Same difference, retard! A station will remain, retard! |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. It will be replaced, at its dial position, by a different station with different call letters and a different format... and less listening potential. Same difference, retard! A station will remain, retard! But, and the point in Inside radio, RBR, Tom Taylor Report, etc., is that WIBC is moving. When a station moves its name or calls, intellectual property, talent, etc. elsewhere... whether to a better channel on the same band or to another or even to the internet... the station has moved from the old channel. whatever takes its place on the prior frequency is a new station... to the industry, the owner, to advertisers and to the ratings. In this case, the ratings will track WIBC, with historical data from the past AM listening and ongoing data from the new FM channel. The analogy is moving from one house to another. If you move, your residence is the new location; the new residents at the old house do not take on your name and identity. Some folks might keep the old house and rent it out, but the new residents are not their family. 1070 ceases to be WIBC in January. WIBC will be moved, to a new location. The old location will become a different station. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. I think you'd better re-read the article! Here is the URL again: http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 Good luck with your comprehension! dxAce Michigan USA |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. It will be replaced, at its dial position, by a different station with different call letters and a different format... and less listening potential. Same difference, retard! A station will remain, retard! But, and the point in Inside radio, RBR, Tom Taylor Report, etc., is that WIBC is moving. When a station moves its name or calls, intellectual property, talent, etc. elsewhere... whether to a better channel on the same band or to another or even to the internet... the station has moved from the old channel. whatever takes its place on the prior frequency is a new station... to the industry, the owner, to advertisers and to the ratings. In this case, the ratings will track WIBC, with historical data from the past AM listening and ongoing data from the new FM channel. The analogy is moving from one house to another. If you move, your residence is the new location; the new residents at the old house do not take on your name and identity. Some folks might keep the old house and rent it out, but the new residents are not their family. 1070 ceases to be WIBC in January. WIBC will be moved, to a new location. The old location will become a different station. Re-read the article! Third paragraph! http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 |
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On Oct 9, 8:29 am, Steve wrote:
On Oct 9, 10:24 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 8, 9:28 pm, " The question is whether the proponents of HD will succeed at destroying AM broadcasting. I don't think they will, but it's still playing out. If they don't, then like you I suspect that AM will survive. Today, 50 kw powerhouse WIBC in Indianapolis, the markets news talk station, announce it is moving to FM in 3 months. However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But, just like KTAR in Phoenix, they substituted a 4 share format that went to FM for a format that maybe will get a 1 share to 1.5. - - Later, they can write the whole assets value off.... - Maybe you should resort to bombing AM stations. - Seems like that would get you the results you want, - only more quickly. La Bomba - Isn't that one of d'Eduardo's Programming Formats ? Yeah - Then they could use Accelerated Depreciation and 'write' AM/MW Radio Stations "Off" more quickly. ~ RHF |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. I think you'd better re-read the article! Radio Station WIBC is going off AM and moving to FM. A totally new station will take its place. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... 1070 ceases to be WIBC in January. WIBC will be moved, to a new location. The old location will become a different station. Re-read the article! Third paragraph! http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 WIBC is moving to FM. A different station will be on 1070. Different format, different talent, different content. Brand new. The headline says, "WIBC to Make Switch to FM " which means there will be no WIBC on AM. There will be a new station. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. I think you'd better re-read the article! Radio Station WIBC is going off AM and moving to FM. A totally new station will take its place. Not what the article says! |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... 1070 ceases to be WIBC in January. WIBC will be moved, to a new location. The old location will become a different station. Re-read the article! Third paragraph! http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 WIBC is moving to FM. A different station will be on 1070. Different format, different talent, different content. Brand new. The headline says, "WIBC to Make Switch to FM " which means there will be no WIBC on AM. There will be a new station. Sounds to me like WIBC-AM and WIBC-FM! |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Radio Station WIBC is going off AM and moving to FM. A totally new station will take its place. Not what the article says! Yes, it does. The article says "WIBC to Make Switch to FM " and describes, vaguely as it will not come until January, a new sports talk format for the AM channel. WIBC, with its news talk format will be on FM only. Here is what Tom Taylor said today: (note the comments on "AM becoming less a draw") "Another 50-kw AM shares its format with a sister FM, then goes sports - WIBC, Indianapolis. Those solid-sounding rumors are borne out, as Emmis announces #1, a "93 days of Christmas" stunt for the FM that's been CHR WNOU (93.1). And #2, the impending birth of news/talk WIBC-FM on January 7, 2008. Where does that leave 50-kw WIBC at 1070? Doing sports full-time, building on its current agreements to carry Peyton Manning and the NFL Indianapolis Colts, plus the NBA Indiana Pacers, Indiana University football, plus various racing franchises like the IRL and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. (Some of that will continue to be shared with sister "Hank FM.") The strategy mirrors what Bonneville did in Phoenix with KTAR - it lifted the news/talk programming (and the KTAR image) from 620 over to the FM dial. Then it created "Sports 620" on the original KTAR frequency. Operators are busy looking for unique local content for their FMs and this is one answer - though long-term, there's the prospect of the AM dial becoming less of a draw. And perhaps worth less as an asset when the lenders get out their pencils. Is anybody thinking about that? Emmis will keep the WNOU CHR format going on HD-2 and on the Internet" |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... 1070 ceases to be WIBC in January. WIBC will be moved, to a new location. The old location will become a different station. Re-read the article! Third paragraph! http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 WIBC is moving to FM. A different station will be on 1070. Different format, different talent, different content. Brand new. The headline says, "WIBC to Make Switch to FM " which means there will be no WIBC on AM. There will be a new station. Sounds to me like WIBC-AM and WIBC-FM! You don't know that, and neither do I. Generally, to avoid confusion in diaries, each station would have separate calls. |
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dxAce wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... However, according to the news release, the AM is NOT going away, merely changing to ESPN format. Of course... they still own it, and putting something on it is appropriate. But you of course didn't indicate that to begin with! You made it seem as though the station was going completely off AM. Figures! WIBC, as a station, is going completely off AM. It will be replaced, at its dial position, by a different station with different call letters and a different format... and less listening potential. Same difference, retard! A station will remain, retard! But, and the point in Inside radio, RBR, Tom Taylor Report, etc., is that WIBC is moving. When a station moves its name or calls, intellectual property, talent, etc. elsewhere... whether to a better channel on the same band or to another or even to the internet... the station has moved from the old channel. whatever takes its place on the prior frequency is a new station... to the industry, the owner, to advertisers and to the ratings. In this case, the ratings will track WIBC, with historical data from the past AM listening and ongoing data from the new FM channel. The analogy is moving from one house to another. If you move, your residence is the new location; the new residents at the old house do not take on your name and identity. Some folks might keep the old house and rent it out, but the new residents are not their family. 1070 ceases to be WIBC in January. WIBC will be moved, to a new location. The old location will become a different station. Re-read the article! Third paragraph! http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 It's so simple even a high school graduate should be able to understand it. Oh... that's right! Sorry. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Radio Station WIBC is going off AM and moving to FM. A totally new station will take its place. Not what the article says! Yes, it does. The article says "WIBC to Make Switch to FM " and describes, vaguely as it will not come until January, a new sports talk format for the AM channel. WIBC, with its news talk format will be on FM only. Here is what Tom Taylor said today: (note the comments on "AM becoming less a draw") "Another 50-kw AM shares its format with a sister FM, then goes sports - WIBC, Indianapolis. Those solid-sounding rumors are borne out, as Emmis announces #1, a "93 days of Christmas" stunt for the FM that's been CHR WNOU (93.1). And #2, the impending birth of news/talk WIBC-FM on January 7, 2008. Where does that leave 50-kw WIBC at 1070? Doing sports full-time, building on its current agreements to carry Peyton Manning and the NFL Indianapolis Colts, plus the NBA Indiana Pacers, Indiana University football, plus various racing franchises like the IRL and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Yep, sounds like it will be WIBC-AM! (Some of that will continue to be shared with sister "Hank FM.") The strategy mirrors what Bonneville did in Phoenix with KTAR - it lifted the news/talk programming (and the KTAR image) from 620 over to the FM dial. Then it created "Sports 620" on the original KTAR frequency. Operators are busy looking for unique local content for their FMs and this is one answer - though long-term, there's the prospect of the AM dial becoming less of a draw. And perhaps worth less as an asset when the lenders get out their pencils. Is anybody thinking about that? Emmis will keep the WNOU CHR format going on HD-2 and on the Internet" |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... 1070 ceases to be WIBC in January. WIBC will be moved, to a new location. The old location will become a different station. Re-read the article! Third paragraph! http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=76552 WIBC is moving to FM. A different station will be on 1070. Different format, different talent, different content. Brand new. The headline says, "WIBC to Make Switch to FM " which means there will be no WIBC on AM. There will be a new station. Sounds to me like WIBC-AM and WIBC-FM! You don't know that, and neither do I. Well, for sure you don't know jack, 'tard boy! |
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On Oct 9, 10:30 pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:28 am, IBOCcrock wrote: "BROADCAST RADIO: continuing to suck wind" Well, yet another Top 40 station near me officially bit the dust almost exactly an hour ago. At noon Eastern time, the local Indianapolis pop/hip hop station, WNOU "Radio Now" 93.1, switched to a temporary format of all-Christmas-music-all-the-time through the end of the year, at which point it'll be replaced by an FM-dial version of local WIBC's news/talk format. The local owner of the station, Emmis Communications, has been on the financial ropes due to mismanagement and an overly-aggressive expansion strategy for quite some time now, as it struggled (and failed) to try to keep up with the radio-industry behemoth, Clear Channel Communications. But even Clear Channel has seen more than its fair share of financial woes lately, and what was once the 800-lb. gorilla in the radio universe is now on the cusp of having to be taken private just in order to be able to stay afloat. Emmis can spin-doctor its "choice" to switch from a music to a talk format all it wants, but anyone who's paying the slightest bit of attention in the radio industry knows damn well what is really going on here. The funding for the Clear Channel private equity deal dried up at about the same time that the RIAA released its latest batch of truly dismal numbers regarding the state of purchased recorded music in the country. Quite simply, no one cares about playlisted radio any more. Since it's becoming easier (not to mention cheaper) to put together one's own personalized playlists online through the myriad of streaming options available out there, even so-called "HD radio", which broadcasts in the digital frequencies between the regular analog ones, hasn't taken off the way industry peeps expected it to. And that means advertisers, the lifeblood of any "free" music station, have been deserting in droves for other avenues. Just about the only viable option LEFT on the FM dial any more is news/ talk, just as it was in the late seventies when listeners deserted AM en masse for greener pastures. And on-air yakkers are a lot cheaper to find, by the dozen, than their relatively more diva-esque DJ counterparts, who get paid just as much but are on the air something like 80% less. This is it, people. You read it here first. Music is officially dead. It's the end of the world. Society is on the brink of utter collapse. Get in your bomb shelters now, we're all gonna die. XD http://ozy-y2k.livejournal.com/338426.html Ha! Ha! Eduardo! Tech Survey III : "HD" Radio Findings - Jacobs Mediahttp://www.jacobsmedia.com/articles/tech3_hdradio.asp -by- Fred Jacobs -Dated- 14 Mayo 2007 The Good News : Awareness and Knowledge are much Improved. The Bad News : Major Barriers to Purchase an HD Radio remain. "Jacobs Media's Third Annual Technology Web Poll, conducted among more than 25,000 Rock Radio Listeners around the U.S., paints a mixed picture for the future of HD Radio." Key Findings : Graphic - HD Radio Familiarity Graphic - Strength of Knowledge About HD Radio Graphic - Likelihood of Buying an HD Radio Graphic - HD Radio Most Important Feature Graphic - Barriers to Puchasing an HD Radio Graphic - Desirable Features - Next Car COPYRIGHT © 2007 JACOBS MEDIA. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup HD RADIO =http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/ .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "HD Radio vs. Internet Radio - Which is Radio's Future?" "Of those who were "Very or Somewhat Interested" in owning HD radio, 3% were "very interested". However, with these respondents, we followed up with the question "Would you buy an HD radio in the next two months?" only 1.0% responded "yes". Asked if they ever visited a retail store to look at or try an HD radio receiver, 30 members of our sample of 3179 said they had. That is less than 1%." http://www.bridgeratings.com/press_0...vsInternet.htm ;-) |
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