On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

...



"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.



Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??

On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF

RHF wrote:

snip

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Many WiFi Internet Radio appliances are already on the market;
these are often used near public "hot spots" or open WiFi
access points and don't require any fee. Many communities
have a stated goal to provide large-area WiFi open access
for VoIP, email and internet radio appliances and mesh
and ad-hoc networks are also becoming more widespread.
In urban areas at least, this will be a competition to
terrestrial radio.

Regards,

Michael

On Nov 23, 2:28 am, RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:





On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

"HD Hypocrisy"

"Here's a few more reasons why only iBiquity and a few clueless radio
group heads could make a big thing out of HD radio tagging... The very
damn radio stations that broadcast in HD offer no programming worth
listening to. HD Radio is a virtual sewer of formats owners don't want
on their terrestrial frequencies and other assorted garbage that no
one sane would listen to -- let alone spend money for new radios --
tagging or not."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...hypocrisy.html

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

"Radio: Internet Radio or HD Radio. You choose!"

"Here's the choice - supplementary channels of varied audio quality
from the same radio chains that deliver today's unimaginative
terrestrial radio formats or worldwide radio of every imaginable
format and style where the passion is in the performance?... And, most
of all, who'll apologize for the time and money spent, the years the
radio industry bought into it, and the deceitfulness suffered because
of Ibiquity and the HD Radio Alliance's misguidance."

http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/...blog-post.html

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

15 million consumers have chosen to pay for uncensored "radio".

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

"Let's Play Music Media Trick or Treat?"

"Buy an HD radio and you get many new channels of music and radio
programming. No. Buy an HD radio and get taken for a fool. The radio
operators, however, won't be taken for fools. They're investing
relatively nothing in the future of HD (wisely for them) and propping
up the HD proponents with a meaningless HD initiative. (HD is the
equivalent of trick or treating and returning home with an Apple that
has a razor blade in it)."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...-or-treat.html

On Nov 23, 2:28 am, RHF wrote:
On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:





On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Internet radio requires a fee? I'm still waiting for my first bill in
the mail.

On Nov 23, 11:24 am, Steve wrote:
On Nov 23, 2:28 am, RHF wrote:





On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:

On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Internet radio requires a fee? I'm still waiting for my first bill in
the mail.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Steve,

Do You Pay For Internet Access ?

Via a Land Line or Cable ? [ ISP Costs ]

The average Table Radio is ~25 Watts
-while- The average Home PC is ~250 Watts [ 10X ]
-extra- "WiFi" Whole House System

you pay-through-the-nose month-after-month ~ RHF

On Nov 23, 5:42 pm, RHF wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:24 am, Steve wrote:





On Nov 23, 2:28 am, RHF wrote:

On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:

On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Internet radio requires a fee? I'm still waiting for my first bill in
the mail.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Steve,

Do You Pay For Internet Access ?

Via a Land Line or Cable ? [ ISP Costs ]

The average Table Radio is ~25 Watts
-while- The average Home PC is ~250 Watts [ 10X ]
-extra- "WiFi" Whole House System

you pay-through-the-nose month-after-month ~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but it seems pretty deceptive to call that an internet radio
'fee'. It's a bit like saying you pay a monthly 'fee' to listen to
over-the-air radio when you pay your power bill or buy batteries.

On Nov 23, 8:21 pm, Steve wrote:
On Nov 23, 5:42 pm, RHF wrote:





On Nov 23, 11:24 am, Steve wrote:

On Nov 23, 2:28 am, RHF wrote:

On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:

On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Internet radio requires a fee? I'm still waiting for my first bill in
the mail.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Steve,

Do You Pay For Internet Access ?

Via a Land Line or Cable ? [ ISP Costs ]

The average Table Radio is ~25 Watts
-while- The average Home PC is ~250 Watts [ 10X ]
-extra- "WiFi" Whole House System

you pay-through-the-nose month-after-month ~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but it seems pretty deceptive to call that an internet radio
'fee'. It's a bit like saying you pay a monthly 'fee' to listen to
over-the-air radio when you pay your power bill or buy batteries.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's the way I see it. You pay a "fee" for a service if your using
that service requires you to pay something over and above what you'd
pay were you *not* using that service. Your monthly power bill is not
a monthly 'over the air' radio "fee" because you'd be paying your
power bill even if you didn't listen to or own a radio. By the same
token, your monthly ISP bill is not an internet radio "fee" because
you'd be paying it even if you weren't listening to internet radio.

On Nov 23, 5:33 pm, Steve wrote:
On Nov 23, 8:21 pm, Steve wrote:





On Nov 23, 5:42 pm, RHF wrote:

On Nov 23, 11:24 am, Steve wrote:

On Nov 23, 2:28 am, RHF wrote:

On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:

On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Internet radio requires a fee? I'm still waiting for my first bill in
the mail.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Steve,

Do You Pay For Internet Access ?

Via a Land Line or Cable ? [ ISP Costs ]

The average Table Radio is ~25 Watts
-while- The average Home PC is ~250 Watts [ 10X ]
-extra- "WiFi" Whole House System

you pay-through-the-nose month-after-month ~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but it seems pretty deceptive to call that an internet radio
'fee'. It's a bit like saying you pay a monthly 'fee' to listen to
over-the-air radio when you pay your power bill or buy batteries.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- Here's the way I see it. You pay a "fee" for a service if your using
- that service requires you to pay something over and above what you'd
- pay were you *not* using that service. Your monthly power bill is
not
- a monthly 'over the air' radio "fee" because you'd be paying your
- power bill even if you didn't listen to or own a radio. By the same
- token, your monthly ISP bill is not an internet radio "fee" because
- you'd be paying it even if you weren't listening to internet radio.

Steve,

Yours is a Distorted View 'wink' of the Real Underlaying Monthly
Costs of having and using an Internet Radio -via- PC or WiFi.

Internet Radio Proponents : What Part of the "Free"
in 'Free' Over-the-Air Radio Do You Not Understand ?
* No Monthly Fees
* Nothing Extra Required to Operate {Stand-A-Lone}
-If- Power Cost are Excluded from Both.

~ RHF

On Nov 23, 5:21 pm, Steve wrote:
On Nov 23, 5:42 pm, RHF wrote:





On Nov 23, 11:24 am, Steve wrote:

On Nov 23, 2:28 am, RHF wrote:

On Nov 22, 7:25 pm, "
wrote:

On Nov 22, 4:14 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

m...

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

FM failed. Twice. The public didn't care. There was virtually no
uptake.

Look at it now.

FM didn't require people to throw out their old radios and buy new ones.

It didn't? How did you listen to FM on an AM radio. Similarly, HD does not
require anyone buy a new radio unless they want to... the analog signals
continue to be broadcast. Of course, you had the choice of simply not buying
an FM radio, which is what 99% of the people did for the first 25 years of
FM broadcasting.

Color TV didn't require people to throw out their B/W sets and buy an
expensive new color set. Color TV didn't interfere with existing B/W
television services and was still viewable on existing B/W sets.

Just as current radios will continue to receive analog signals.

So, then are you saying that HD radio, once all stations go to that,
will require everyone to purchase an HD radio - or could one still
listen to the station on a regular radio - with just poorer quality
reception??- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

BAJ,

You can not listen to the "HD" Radio 'Digital' Signal
on an Anolog Radio.

1 - Buy a HD Radio and Listen for Free.

2 - Buy a Internet Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

3 - Buy a Satellite Radio and Pay a Month Fee.

Your Future Choice : Free -or- Monthly Fee

~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Internet radio requires a fee? I'm still waiting for my first bill in
the mail.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- - Steve,
- -
- - Do You Pay For Internet Access ?
- -
- - Via a Land Line or Cable ? [ ISP Costs ]
- -
- - The average Table Radio is ~25 Watts
- - -while- The average Home PC is ~250 Watts [ 10X ]
- - -extra- "WiFi" Whole House System
- -
- - you pay-through-the-nose month-after-month ~ RHF
- - .
- -

- Yes, but it seems pretty deceptive to call that an internet radio
- 'fee'. It's a bit like saying you pay a monthly 'fee' to listen to
- over-the-air radio when you pay your power bill or buy batteries.

Steve - Deceptive [ D E C E P T I V E ] - It's The Truth [.]

It is part of the cost-of-doing-business just like the
True Power-Cost of In-Home Internet Radio is actually
Ten Times [10X] the Cost of a Single AM/FM Table Radio

Point-of-Fact : Internet Radio -is- Anti-Green -and- Presently
An Environmentally Un-Sound Media Distribution System [.]

SAVE THE PLANET - LISTEN TO 'FREE' OVER-THE-AIR RADIO !

When an Internet Radio can Function like an basic 'kitchen'
AM/FM Radio and be Plug-and-Use like a basic Toaster :
* AC Power Plug
* Telephone Power Plug [No PC or WiFi]

IMHO - Then Internet Radio will have come of Age
for Use by the Average Radio Listener. ~ RHF