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RFI Post 0: An Introduction

I am 56 years old enjoy SWL, guitar, folk and some
rock music and science fiction. I road a motorcycle
for 25 years until I became enlightened with the
idea that even IF I was a perfect rider, I had no
control over the other idiots on the highway.

I make no claim to special expertise in the RFI
arena, I have been a SWL since June 1962.
I have been a ham since 1974 and currently hold
an extra class ham license. Some of my friends call
me an accidental ham. I had never intended get a ham
license but after the "Night of the Tornadoes" in 1974,I
decided to get smart and gain the skill set for back up
communication. These days about the only time I use
my ham license is during nasty weather. I am an engineer
by training and have been a working engineer for the
last 35 years. I have avoided each and every chance to
move up the ladder into management,

Over the years I have had the opportunity to learn
at the knees of several very bright people. Many
wise assed kid.. A retired communication specialist
from the army who lived across the street interrupted
my experiments with a spark gap transmitter and taught
me CW. A friend of my Dad was a Radio TV repair
man and he gave me a lot of help and practical advice.
Another friend's father was a ham and helped me tweak
our 100mW CB HTs to operate with the receive and
transmit crystals interchanged.

In Jr High School my science teacher pulled some strings
and I was allowed to take an AP physics course in the 8th
grade. During High school I made the odd choice of going to
vocational school while taking college prep courses. After
working for a few years, I went to college and after graduation
I have been lucky enough to work in electronics, mainly in the
telecommunication field and I have done a lot of moonlighting
in other electronic areas.

Early in my radio listening experience I learned that noise was
the single biggest limitation to what I could receive. I spent years
coming to an understanding what noise is and how it effects
our ability to understand any communication.

For several months in the summer of 2007 I had the opportunity
to work at a FCC certified EMI laboratory. The lab only dealt with
conducted emissions as opposed to radiated emissions. It was
quite an experience. I learned that FCC Class B acceptance is
Damn near worthless. A device can be legal and still radiate like
mad.

I also learned that "medical devices", like my wife's APAP(sleep
apnea breathing assist) are not regulated by the FCC but instead
the FDA sets the rules. And the FDA doesn't know squat about RFI.

The owner discovered "nose candy" and had to sell the business,
but I gained a lot of appreciation for how RFI, or more properly EMI,
is measured. I burned two weeks of vacation to allow the lab to
complete some contractual obligations and to oversee the disassembly
of the lab for shipment to South Korea. I ended up with some odds and
ends that the buyers didn't want. I took photos and had the owner
sign
off on everything that he gave me.

Among the useful "stuff" that found it's way home was several Mini
Circuits
ZFSC-2-6 hybrid power dividers, rated for ~60KHz through 60MHz.
Several
ZFSC-2-1 hybrids rated for 5 through 500MHz. A bunch of attenuators,
dummy loads and a couple of LISNs. and a AC mains RFI/EMI sniffer
probe that is connected directly to the AC mains for measurement of
devices too large to bring to a lab..

What is a LISN? Line Impedance Simulator Network. The FCC specifies
a magic simulator that everyone has to use for conducted RFI emission
testing. It doesn't have much connection to the reality of home,
office or
commercial AC mains, but it is a standard.

I also ended up with enough 1/4 rat wire to shield a large room. And
enough
1/8" woven copper panels to build an 8'X8'X8' cage. And I ended up
three RF
tight doors with frames, finger stock RF gaskets .because the buyers
intended
to use much larger doors.

Along the way I was lucky enough to read W1HIS's wonderful work on
"Common Mode Chokes", and even luckier to engage Chuck via Email
and his comments and thoughts have been a great help the last year
or
so in my attempt to understand, find and eliminate or at least reduce
RFI.

My wife says that I am no longer a SWL, but instead I have become an
avenging angel devoted to ridding the world of RFI. I think she is
wildly
optimistic!

In the posts that follow, and in the web page that I hope to construct
some day
"real soon now", I will try to spread the information that others have
shared
with me and my few contributions in the RFI reduction arena.

In rereading this I find it appears that my life was a lot more
ordered then reality
would suggest. There were many false steps, trips down the wrong road
and
general silliness. And before I die I expect that some of my current
beliefs will
be shown to be wrong, or at least incomplete. My posts are not
intended to
address every aspect of RFI and noise. Think of this as the Idiots
Guide to RFI.
Or the Cllff notes version.

And please even when you disagree with what I say, please understand
that
everything I suggest is based on actual real world experience and not
from what
I learned in school are read in technical manuals. And that I am not
selling anything
and don't expect to gain anything other then satisfaction from this
effort. And if
the flame wars start I will simply stop posting. If we are going to
disagree, then let
us try to be civil.

Terry
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RFI Post 0: An Introduction

I am 56 years old enjoy SWL, guitar, folk and some
rock music and science fiction. I road a motorcycle
for 25 years until I became enlightened with the
idea that even IF I was a perfect rider, I had no
control over the other idiots on the highway.

I make no claim to special expertise in the RFI
arena, I have been a SWL since June 1962.
I have been a ham since 1974 and currently hold
an extra class ham license. Some of my friends call
me an accidental ham. I had never intended get a ham
license but after the "Night of the Tornadoes" in 1974,I
decided to get smart and gain the skill set for back up
communication. These days about the only time I use
my ham license is during nasty weather. I am an engineer
by training and have been a working engineer for the
last 35 years. I have avoided each and every chance to
move up the ladder into management,

Over the years I have had the opportunity to learn
at the knees of several very bright people. Many
wise assed kid.. A retired communication specialist
from the army who lived across the street interrupted
my experiments with a spark gap transmitter and taught
me CW. A friend of my Dad was a Radio TV repair
man and he gave me a lot of help and practical advice.
Another friend's father was a ham and helped me tweak
our 100mW CB HTs to operate with the receive and
transmit crystals interchanged.

In Jr High School my science teacher pulled some strings
and I was allowed to take an AP physics course in the 8th
grade. During High school I made the odd choice of going to
vocational school while taking college prep courses. After
working for a few years, I went to college and after graduation
I have been lucky enough to work in electronics, mainly in the
telecommunication field and I have done a lot of moonlighting
in other electronic areas.

Early in my radio listening experience I learned that noise was
the single biggest limitation to what I could receive. I spent years
coming to an understanding what noise is and how it effects
our ability to understand any communication.

For several months in the summer of 2007 I had the opportunity
to work at a FCC certified EMI laboratory. The lab only dealt with
conducted emissions as opposed to radiated emissions. It was
quite an experience. I learned that FCC Class B acceptance is
Damn near worthless. A device can be legal and still radiate like
mad.

I also learned that "medical devices", like my wife's APAP(sleep
apnea breathing assist) are not regulated by the FCC but instead
the FDA sets the rules. And the FDA doesn't know squat about RFI.

The owner discovered "nose candy" and had to sell the business,
but I gained a lot of appreciation for how RFI, or more properly EMI,
is measured. I burned two weeks of vacation to allow the lab to
complete some contractual obligations and to oversee the disassembly
of the lab for shipment to South Korea. I ended up with some odds and
ends that the buyers didn't want. I took photos and had the owner
sign
off on everything that he gave me.

Among the useful "stuff" that found it's way home was several Mini
Circuits
ZFSC-2-6 hybrid power dividers, rated for ~60KHz through 60MHz.
Several
ZFSC-2-1 hybrids rated for 5 through 500MHz. A bunch of attenuators,
dummy loads and a couple of LISNs. and a AC mains RFI/EMI sniffer
probe that is connected directly to the AC mains for measurement of
devices too large to bring to a lab..

What is a LISN? Line Impedance Simulator Network. The FCC specifies
a magic simulator that everyone has to use for conducted RFI emission
testing. It doesn't have much connection to the reality of home,
office or
commercial AC mains, but it is a standard.

I also ended up with enough 1/4 rat wire to shield a large room. And
enough
1/8" woven copper panels to build an 8'X8'X8' cage. And I ended up
three RF
tight doors with frames, finger stock RF gaskets .because the buyers
intended
to use much larger doors.

Along the way I was lucky enough to read W1HIS's wonderful work on
"Common Mode Chokes", and even luckier to engage Chuck via Email
and his comments and thoughts have been a great help the last year
or
so in my attempt to understand, find and eliminate or at least reduce
RFI.

My wife says that I am no longer a SWL, but instead I have become an
avenging angel devoted to ridding the world of RFI. I think she is
wildly
optimistic!

In the posts that follow, and in the web page that I hope to construct
some day
"real soon now", I will try to spread the information that others have
shared
with me and my few contributions in the RFI reduction arena.

In rereading this I find it appears that my life was a lot more
ordered then reality
would suggest. There were many false steps, trips down the wrong road
and
general silliness. And before I die I expect that some of my current
beliefs will
be shown to be wrong, or at least incomplete. My posts are not
intended to
address every aspect of RFI and noise. Think of this as the Idiots
Guide to RFI.
Or the Cllff notes version.

And please even when you disagree with what I say, please understand
that
everything I suggest is based on actual real world experience and not
from what
I learned in school are read in technical manuals. And that I am not
selling anything
and don't expect to gain anything other then satisfaction from this
effort. And if
the flame wars start I will simply stop posting. If we are going to
disagree, then let
us try to be civil.

Terry




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RFI Post 0: An Introduction

I am 56 years old enjoy SWL, guitar, folk and some
rock music and science fiction. I road a motorcycle
for 25 years until I became enlightened with the
idea that even IF I was a perfect rider, I had no
control over the other idiots on the highway.

I make no claim to special expertise in the RFI
arena, I have been a SWL since June 1962.
I have been a ham since 1974 and currently hold
an extra class ham license. Some of my friends call
me an accidental ham. I had never intended get a ham
license but after the "Night of the Tornadoes" in 1974,I
decided to get smart and gain the skill set for back up
communication. These days about the only time I use
my ham license is during nasty weather. I am an engineer
by training and have been a working engineer for the
last 35 years. I have avoided each and every chance to
move up the ladder into management,

Over the years I have had the opportunity to learn
at the knees of several very bright people. Many
wise assed kid.. A retired communication specialist
from the army who lived across the street interrupted
my experiments with a spark gap transmitter and taught
me CW. A friend of my Dad was a Radio TV repair
man and he gave me a lot of help and practical advice.
Another friend's father was a ham and helped me tweak
our 100mW CB HTs to operate with the receive and
transmit crystals interchanged.

In Jr High School my science teacher pulled some strings
and I was allowed to take an AP physics course in the 8th
grade. During High school I made the odd choice of going to
vocational school while taking college prep courses. After
working for a few years, I went to college and after graduation
I have been lucky enough to work in electronics, mainly in the
telecommunication field and I have done a lot of moonlighting
in other electronic areas.

Early in my radio listening experience I learned that noise was
the single biggest limitation to what I could receive. I spent years
coming to an understanding what noise is and how it effects
our ability to understand any communication.

For several months in the summer of 2007 I had the opportunity
to work at a FCC certified EMI laboratory. The lab only dealt with
conducted emissions as opposed to radiated emissions. It was
quite an experience. I learned that FCC Class B acceptance is
Damn near worthless. A device can be legal and still radiate like
mad.

I also learned that "medical devices", like my wife's APAP(sleep
apnea breathing assist) are not regulated by the FCC but instead
the FDA sets the rules. And the FDA doesn't know squat about RFI.

The owner discovered "nose candy" and had to sell the business,
but I gained a lot of appreciation for how RFI, or more properly EMI,
is measured. I burned two weeks of vacation to allow the lab to
complete some contractual obligations and to oversee the disassembly
of the lab for shipment to South Korea. I ended up with some odds and
ends that the buyers didn't want. I took photos and had the owner
sign
off on everything that he gave me.

Among the useful "stuff" that found it's way home was several Mini
Circuits
ZFSC-2-6 hybrid power dividers, rated for ~60KHz through 60MHz.
Several
ZFSC-2-1 hybrids rated for 5 through 500MHz. A bunch of attenuators,
dummy loads and a couple of LISNs. and a AC mains RFI/EMI sniffer
probe that is connected directly to the AC mains for measurement of
devices too large to bring to a lab..

What is a LISN? Line Impedance Simulator Network. The FCC specifies
a magic simulator that everyone has to use for conducted RFI emission
testing. It doesn't have much connection to the reality of home,
office or
commercial AC mains, but it is a standard.

I also ended up with enough 1/4 rat wire to shield a large room. And
enough
1/8" woven copper panels to build an 8'X8'X8' cage. And I ended up
three RF
tight doors with frames, finger stock RF gaskets .because the buyers
intended
to use much larger doors.

Along the way I was lucky enough to read W1HIS's wonderful work on
"Common Mode Chokes", and even luckier to engage Chuck via Email
and his comments and thoughts have been a great help the last year
or
so in my attempt to understand, find and eliminate or at least reduce
RFI.

My wife says that I am no longer a SWL, but instead I have become an
avenging angel devoted to ridding the world of RFI. I think she is
wildly
optimistic!

In the posts that follow, and in the web page that I hope to construct
some day
"real soon now", I will try to spread the information that others have
shared
with me and my few contributions in the RFI reduction arena.

In rereading this I find it appears that my life was a lot more
ordered then reality
would suggest. There were many false steps, trips down the wrong road
and
general silliness. And before I die I expect that some of my current
beliefs will
be shown to be wrong, or at least incomplete. My posts are not
intended to
address every aspect of RFI and noise. Think of this as the Idiots
Guide to RFI.
Or the Cllff notes version.

And please even when you disagree with what I say, please understand
that
everything I suggest is based on actual real world experience and not
from what
I learned in school are read in technical manuals. And that I am not
selling anything
and don't expect to gain anything other then satisfaction from this
effort. And if
the flame wars start I will simply stop posting. If we are going to
disagree, then let
us try to be civil.

Terry


MiniCircuits rules! I am in low-power analog transmission/reception and
use their splitters, DC blocks, and low distortion RF amps all the time.
I know for a fact that the OET division at the FCC uses them as well.
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