dxAcehole, Supreme Commander Urinal Malingering Misfits (S.C.U.M.M.)
wrote:

Generally, the decision to pose as a faux Hispanic is one of idiocy, not of
sanity.


Pretending to be a Native American is the ultimate in idiocy, as you've
been told countless times while getting your Federal Government
Assistance payments, Bozo.

Kill any more Mexicans last night? Any blood on the axe handle you keep
by the back door? It isn't there? Better phone the janitor at the
Greyhound Station washroom.





mike

dxAcehole, Sickly Cretinous Underachieving Male Member Masticator
(S.C.U.M.M.M.) wrote:

My question: Why do you talk just like David Rickets?


The same reason you try to talk like a human.






mike

m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Supreme Commander Urinal Malingering Misfits (S.C.U.M.M.)
wrote:

Generally, the decision to pose as a faux Hispanic is one of idiocy, not of
sanity.


Pretending to be a Native American is the ultimate in idiocy, as you've
been told countless times while getting your Federal Government
Assistance payments, Bozo.

Assistance? I merely collect my Social Security.

On Jan 6, 6:33*pm, m II wrote:
dxAcehole, Supreme Commander Urinal Malingering Misfits (S.C.U.M.M.)
wrote:

Generally, the decision to pose as a faux Hispanic
is one of idiocy, not of sanity.

- Pretending to be a Native American is the ultimate in idiocy,
- as you've been told countless times while getting your

Mike - You Are What You Are -and- Sadly You Are Not !

- Federal Government Assistance payments,

Mike - A Canadian criticizing Grovernment Assistance ?

- Bozo.

Mike - Clearly You Know BOZO !

- Kill any more Mexicans last night?

Mike - The USA is Not Canada : In the USA Illegal Alien Mexican
Invaders can be Deported; without being Killed as Sport like Baby
Seals in Canada.

- Any blood on the axe handle you keep by the back door?
- It isn't there?

Mike - The Axe Handle is made of All American Solid Hickory
not some week Canadian Maple pecker-wood.

Mike - The Back Door Faces North toward Canada and it is Locked.

- Better phone the janitor at the Greyhound Station washroom.

Mike - Why . . . Are You MIA ?

- mike

~ RHF

On Jan 6, 9:17*am, RHF wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:53*pm, RHF wrote:





On Jan 5, 4:25*pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:

RHF wrote:
Undeniable Fact # 1 - The Man Made RFI-EMF Environment
Has Changed Greatly : Increasing one or two Magnitudes from
the 1930s to the 1990s.

Undeniable Fact # 2 - Man's Ability to Accurately Measure the
RFI-EMF Environment and It's Effects Has Changed Greatly :
Increasing at least a Magnitude from the 1930s to the 1990s.

- Undeniable Fact # 3 - According to a direct quote of Doty,
- UN-shielded lead-in wires are susceptible to noise.
- Coaxial cable is SHIELDED. So why does Doty say bury it?

Fact is most Coax Cable does not have a perfect Shield.

- Undeniable Fact # 4 - Even though the RFI environment has
- changed and even though man's ability to measure it has
- changed, burial in a few inches of soil provides no noise
- mitigation.

You provide no Empirical Data to dispute my Anecdotal Observations.

- Undeniable Fact # 5 - Yes, the environment has changed and
- measurement techniques have changed, but that does NOT
- mean the Laws of Physics have changed.

I would have to conclude that 'our' knowledge of the Laws of
Physics has improve from 1930s to 1990s.

- Finally, for the sake of this discussion, assume your neighbor/
- neighborhood is throwing out a lot of RF hash and trash.
- Furthermore, let us assume you've buried your coax in hopes
- of alleviating the problem (even though it won't).
-
- What, pray tell, is to keep this neighborhood RF hash and
- trash from impinging directly on the antenna itself and being
- piped right in to your receiver?

Nothing -but- that's the Antenna itself -and- at least it ain't the
Coax Cable feed-in-line; acting as a Noise Pick-Up Antenna.

- -If you need to avoid the lawn mower, bury by all means.

Good Point.

- -If you need to avoid the wrath of your wife, bury by all means.

She Who Must Be Obeyed - Must Be Happy Too !

- -If you want to bury to mitigate noise, save your time, trouble and
energy.

Alas it is 'my' Time and Money and to 'me' it is Worth-the-Trouble :
To Do It Right !

Oops You Forgot : # 2 - Dang - See # 1 + Safety - It's a Tripping
Hazard.

KEY POINT - Burying the Coax Cable is simply one of the many
Synergistic Elements that goes into making a Low Noise
Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Antenna -a-la- John Doty

1 - At the Antenna using a Matching Transformer between the
Antenna Element and the Coax Cable feed-in-line. {The Far-End}

2 - Plus a Ground Rod at this Matching Transformer.

3 - Near the entry to the House using an Isolation Transformer
between the Coax Cable feed-in-line and Coax Cable going
into the House to the RadioShack. {The Near-End}

4 - Plus a Ground Rod at the Isolation Transformer.

5 - Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line between the Two Ground
Rods and Transformers.

Number "5" is realy only important when you have first
accomplished Numbers 1~4.

Effectively the Outer-Shield of the Coax Cable is :
1-
2-
3-
4-
5-
etc...

Three Rec.Radio.Shortwave Messages to Read -by- John Dotyhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1abc6a2bf8acc12d
* SWL Longwire
* Low Noise Antenna Connection
* Grounding Is Key To Good Reception

John Doty will tell you that he did not Invent any of these things
or Uniquely Combine them to Create a New Concept. *He more
or less studied what was out-there and empirically tried things
until he found what seemed to Work : "The Best". *He Wrote about
them; and Help to Popularize them in the 1990s in the Shortwave
Radio Listening (SWL) community. *As far as I know he makes
no claim that any one of these things will work by itself -but- as
a group they do improve things greatly over a simple Classic
Horizontal Bare Wire Antenna with an Insulated Wire feed-in-line
-or- an Improved Horizontal Bare Wire Antenna with a Coax Cable
feed-in-line.

step-by-step - one-step-at-a-time - the endless quest for
better shortwave radio listening (swl) - iane ~ RHF
*.

KEY POINT - Burying the Coax Cable is simply one of the many
Synergistic Elements that goes into making a Low Noise
Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Antenna -a-la- John Doty

1 - At the Antenna using a Matching Transformer between the
Antenna Element and the Coax Cable feed-in-line. {The Far-End}

2 - Plus a Ground Rod at this Matching Transformer.

3 - Near the entry to the House using an Isolation Transformer
between the Coax Cable feed-in-line and Coax Cable going
into the House to the RadioShack. {The Near-End}

4 - Plus a Ground Rod at the Isolation Transformer.

5 - Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line between the Two Ground
Rods and Transformers.

Number "5" is realy only important when you have first
accomplished Numbers 1~4.

Effectively the Outer-Shield of the Coax Cable is/does :

# 1 - Connects both the Antenna Ground and the House's
Feed-in-Line Entry Ground {RadioShack Grounding Point} :
-Thus- "Bonding" these two Grounds.

2-
3-
4-
5-
etc...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

KEY POINT - Burying the Coax Cable is simply one of the many
Synergistic Elements that goes into making a Low Noise
Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Antenna -a-la- John Doty

1 - At the Antenna using a Matching Transformer between the
Antenna Element and the Coax Cable feed-in-line. {The Far-End}

2 - Plus a Ground Rod at this Matching Transformer.

3 - Near the entry to the House using an Isolation Transformer
between the Coax Cable feed-in-line and Coax Cable going
into the House to the RadioShack. {The Near-End}

4 - Plus a Ground Rod at the Isolation Transformer.

5 - Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line between the Two Ground
Rods and Transformers.

Number "5" is realy only important when you have first
accomplished Numbers 1~4.

Effectively the Buried Outer-Shield of the Coax Cable is/does :

# 1 - Connects both the Antenna Ground and the House's
Feed-in-Line Entry Ground {RadioShack Grounding Point} :
-Thus- "Bonding" these two Grounds.
http://www.hamuniverse.com/grounding.html
http://www.mikeholt.com/newsletters....y&letterID=134
http://mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/...2~20041005.php

# 2 - Functions as a Ground Radial for the Wire Antenna
Element to 'unify' the "Ground Effect" {Ground Conductivity
Efficiency} between the two Ground Rods.
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

# 3 -IF- The Wire Antenna Element is hung in the Air 'over'
this Buried Coax Cable it is in-effect a Counterpoise to the
Wire Antenna Element.
http://www.cebik.com/gp/cps.html

READ - WHY - The Far-End-Fed Shortwave Listener's (SWLs)
Inverted "L" Antenna
http://www.google.com/group/rec.radi...cfc6b9cb2447c0
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw.../message/11698

4-
5-
etc...

In article 57ggj.55729$5l3.15797@edtnps82, m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:

I do not see where you are elucidating on the subject bozo.


I see you've become as obnoxious as the Acehole. Too bad...I used to
think you were relatively intelligent.

You come to this news group with your trash talk everyday and you have a
problem when I poke sticks at the latest troll to visit the news group.
Well thats just to bad. I don't care what you think. You never
contribute information here. You are a member in very poor standing.

As long as I'm not as obnoxious and strange as you I'll be OK.

When is the last time you made an on topic post? A few months ago last
year? Maybe one or two at most.

Do everyone that reads the news group a big favor and go someplace else
or grow up. Take your pick.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Jan 7, 11:35*am, RHF wrote:
On Jan 6, 9:17*am, RHF wrote:





On Jan 5, 11:53*pm, RHF wrote:

On Jan 5, 4:25*pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:

RHF wrote:
Undeniable Fact # 1 - The Man Made RFI-EMF Environment
Has Changed Greatly : Increasing one or two Magnitudes from
the 1930s to the 1990s.

Undeniable Fact # 2 - Man's Ability to Accurately Measure the
RFI-EMF Environment and It's Effects Has Changed Greatly :
Increasing at least a Magnitude from the 1930s to the 1990s.

- Undeniable Fact # 3 - According to a direct quote of Doty,
- UN-shielded lead-in wires are susceptible to noise.
- Coaxial cable is SHIELDED. So why does Doty say bury it?

Fact is most Coax Cable does not have a perfect Shield.

- Undeniable Fact # 4 - Even though the RFI environment has
- changed and even though man's ability to measure it has
- changed, burial in a few inches of soil provides no noise
- mitigation.

You provide no Empirical Data to dispute my Anecdotal Observations.

- Undeniable Fact # 5 - Yes, the environment has changed and
- measurement techniques have changed, but that does NOT
- mean the Laws of Physics have changed.

I would have to conclude that 'our' knowledge of the Laws of
Physics has improve from 1930s to 1990s.

- Finally, for the sake of this discussion, assume your neighbor/
- neighborhood is throwing out a lot of RF hash and trash.
- Furthermore, let us assume you've buried your coax in hopes
- of alleviating the problem (even though it won't).
-
- What, pray tell, is to keep this neighborhood RF hash and
- trash from impinging directly on the antenna itself and being
- piped right in to your receiver?

Nothing -but- that's the Antenna itself -and- at least it ain't the
Coax Cable feed-in-line; acting as a Noise Pick-Up Antenna.

- -If you need to avoid the lawn mower, bury by all means.

Good Point.

- -If you need to avoid the wrath of your wife, bury by all means.

She Who Must Be Obeyed - Must Be Happy Too !

- -If you want to bury to mitigate noise, save your time, trouble and
energy.

Alas it is 'my' Time and Money and to 'me' it is Worth-the-Trouble :
To Do It Right !

Oops You Forgot : # 2 - Dang - See # 1 + Safety - It's a Tripping
Hazard.

KEY POINT - Burying the Coax Cable is simply one of the many
Synergistic Elements that goes into making a Low Noise
Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Antenna -a-la- John Doty

1 - At the Antenna using a Matching Transformer between the
Antenna Element and the Coax Cable feed-in-line. {The Far-End}

2 - Plus a Ground Rod at this Matching Transformer.

3 - Near the entry to the House using an Isolation Transformer
between the Coax Cable feed-in-line and Coax Cable going
into the House to the RadioShack. {The Near-End}

4 - Plus a Ground Rod at the Isolation Transformer.

5 - Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line between the Two Ground
Rods and Transformers.

Number "5" is realy only important when you have first
accomplished Numbers 1~4.

Effectively the Outer-Shield of the Coax Cable is :
1-
2-
3-
4-
5-
etc...

Three Rec.Radio.Shortwave Messages to Read -by- John Dotyhttp://groups..google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1abc6a2bf8acc12d
* SWL Longwire
* Low Noise Antenna Connection
* Grounding Is Key To Good Reception

John Doty will tell you that he did not Invent any of these things
or Uniquely Combine them to Create a New Concept. *He more
or less studied what was out-there and empirically tried things
until he found what seemed to Work : "The Best". *He Wrote about
them; and Help to Popularize them in the 1990s in the Shortwave
Radio Listening (SWL) community. *As far as I know he makes
no claim that any one of these things will work by itself -but- as
a group they do improve things greatly over a simple Classic
Horizontal Bare Wire Antenna with an Insulated Wire feed-in-line
-or- an Improved Horizontal Bare Wire Antenna with a Coax Cable
feed-in-line.

step-by-step - one-step-at-a-time - the endless quest for
better shortwave radio listening (swl) - iane ~ RHF
*.

KEY POINT - Burying the Coax Cable is simply one of the many
Synergistic Elements that goes into making a Low Noise
Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Antenna -a-la- John Doty

1 - At the Antenna using a Matching Transformer between the
Antenna Element and the Coax Cable feed-in-line. {The Far-End}

2 - Plus a Ground Rod at this Matching Transformer.

3 - Near the entry to the House using an Isolation Transformer
between the Coax Cable feed-in-line and Coax Cable going
into the House to the RadioShack. {The Near-End}

4 - Plus a Ground Rod at the Isolation Transformer.

5 - Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line between the Two Ground
Rods and Transformers.

Number "5" is realy only important when you have first
accomplished Numbers 1~4.

Effectively the Outer-Shield of the Coax Cable is/does :

# 1 - Connects both the Antenna Ground and the House's
Feed-in-Line Entry Ground {RadioShack Grounding Point} :
-Thus- "Bonding" these two Grounds.

2-
3-
4-
5-
etc...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

KEY POINT - Burying the Coax Cable is simply one of the many
Synergistic Elements that goes into making a Low Noise
Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Antenna -a-la- John Doty

1 - At the Antenna using a Matching Transformer between the
Antenna Element and the Coax Cable feed-in-line. {The Far-End}

2 - Plus a Ground Rod at this Matching Transformer.

3 - Near the entry to the House using an Isolation Transformer
between the Coax Cable feed-in-line and Coax Cable going
into the House to the RadioShack. {The Near-End}

4 - Plus a Ground Rod at the Isolation Transformer.

5 - Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line between the Two Ground
Rods and Transformers.

Number "5" is realy only important when you have first
accomplished Numbers 1~4.

Effectively the Buried Outer-Shield of the Coax Cable is/does :

# 1 - Connects both the Antenna Ground and the House's
Feed-in-Line Entry Ground {RadioShack Grounding Point} :
-Thus- "Bonding" these two Grounds.http://www.hamuniverse.com/grounding...ing-Part-1-of-...

# 2 - Functions as a Ground Radial for the Wire Antenna
Element to 'unify' the "Ground Effect" {Ground Conductivity
Efficiency} between the two Ground Rods.http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

# 3 -IF- The Wire Antenna Element is hung in the Air 'over'
this Buried Coax Cable it is in-effect a Counterpoise to the
Wire Antenna Element.http://www.cebik.com/gp/cps.html

READ - WHY - The Far-End-Fed Shortwave Listener's (SWLs)
Inverted "L" Antennahttp://www.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/22cfc6b9cb2447c0http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/message/11698

4-
5-
etc...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


KEY POINT - Burying the Coax Cable is simply one of the many
Synergistic Elements that goes into making a Low Noise
Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) Antenna -a-la- John Doty

1 - At the Antenna using a Matching Transformer between the
Antenna Element and the Coax Cable feed-in-line. {The Far-End}

2 - Plus a Ground Rod at this Matching Transformer.

3 - Near the entry to the House using an Isolation Transformer
between the Coax Cable feed-in-line and Coax Cable going
into the House to the RadioShack. {The Near-End}

4 - Plus a Ground Rod at the Isolation Transformer.

5 - Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line between the Two Ground
Rods and Transformers.

Number "5" is realy only important when you have first
accomplished Numbers 1~4.

Effectively the Buried Outer-Shield of the Coax Cable is/does :

# 1 - Connects both the Antenna Ground and the House's
Feed-in-Line Entry Ground {RadioShack Grounding Point} :
-Thus- "Bonding" these two Grounds.
http://www.hamuniverse.com/grounding.html
http://www.mikeholt.com/newsletters....y&letterID=134
http://mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/...2~20041005.php

# 2 - Functions as a Ground Radial for the Wire Antenna
Element to 'unify' the "Ground Effect" {Ground Conductivity
Efficiency} between the two Ground Rods.
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

# 3 -IF- The Wire Antenna Element is hung in the Air 'over'
this Buried Coax Cable it is in-effect a Counterpoise to the
Wire Antenna Element.
http://www.cebik.com/gp/cps.html

READ - WHY - The Far-End-Fed Shortwave Listener's (SWLs)
Inverted "L" Antenna
http://www.google.com/group/rec.radi...cfc6b9cb2447c0
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw.../message/11698

# 4 - Digging the Trench to Bury the Coax Cable feed-in-line
Opens-Up-the-Ground ! -meaning- You now have a Trench in
the Ground to place 'things' in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_conductivity
* While the Braided Outer Shield of the Coax Cable can 'connect'
the two Ground Rods at each end of the feed-in-line : It is not a
Solid Copper Wire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_%28electricity%29
* While the Braided Outer Shield of the Coax Cable can 'be'
a Ground Radial between the two Ground Rods at each end
of the feed-in-line : It is not a Solid Copper Wire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_%28radio%29
TIP - While the Trench is Open : Place a Solid Copper Wire
in it to :
http://www.chem.hawaii.edu/uham/radials.html
* Better Connect {Bond} the two Ground Rods at each end
of the feed-in-line.
* Be a Better Ground Radial in the Ground then the Coax Cable
can be by itself.

ABOUT - Ground Radial Wire
Buried Radials: A Small Compendium -by- L. B. Cebik [W4RNL]
http://www.cebik.com/gp/gr.html
* Solid Bare Copper Wire to 'connect' along it's full lenght
with the Earthen-Soil {Ground} that it is laying in.
http://www.bencher.com/pdfs/00361ZZV.pdf
* # 16 AWG or Larger - In the trench running parallel with the
Coax Shield # 16 AWG Solid Bare Copper Wire will do OK.
http://www.radiobooks.com/products/grw1k.htm
-but-if- you happen to have a coupl of hundred feet of # 12 or #14
Insulated Solid Copper Wire laying around; and want to Strip
the Insulation off-of-it to use as for Ground Radials - Go For It !
http://www.signalengineering.com/ult...th_ground.html

The Radial "Rule-of-Thumb" for Receive Only Shortwave Antennas :
The More Radials the smaller the Radial Wire that can be use;
with # 16 AWG being about the smallest.
http://www.davisrf.com/ham1/grndwire.htm
16~18 or more Radials : # 16 AWG Solid Bare Copper Wire
8~9 Radials : # 14 AWG Solid Bare Copper Wire
3~4 Radials : # 12 AWG Solid Bare Copper Wire
Single Wire Counterpoise : # 10 AWG Solid Bare Copper Wire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge

The Guiding Principle of Radials : The More Radials The Better.
http://www.ncjweb.com/k3lcmaxgainradials.pdf


5-
etc...

iane ~ RHF