IBOC : Broadcast Newsroom -reports- Mercedes-Benz Adds HD Radio AsOption
 

Broadcast Newsroom -reports- Mercedes-Benz Adds HD Radio As Option

http://radio.broadcastnewsroom.com/a....jsp?id=340824

Among Automakers now offering HD Radio are . . .

-source- Broadcast Newsroom (BN) - 03/24/08
CopyRight © 2008 - Reed Business Information,
a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. - All Rights Reserved.

DBS-Radio : Clear Channel to FCC : Wash XM-Sirius' Mouth-Out withSoap
 

Clear Channel to FCC : Wash XM-Sirius' Mouth-Out with Soap
-by- Matthew Lasar - Published : March 25, 2008

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...with-soap.html

Taking the "X" out of XM Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) Radio
Clear Channel wants the FCC to apply the Broadcast Decency
Rules to DS-Radio.

Now Clear Channel wants even more strings attached
to the possible . . .

-source- Ars Technica {Art of Technology}
CopyRight © 1998-2008 - Ars Technica, LLC
All Rights Reserved.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change -Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

On Mar 25, 2:49�pm, RHF wrote:
IBOCcrock,

You Don't Get It ! - The Automakers are using "HD-Radio"
as a Premium Option on the High-End "Status" Cars and
Trunks. �Because they believe that "HD-Radio" confirs
"Status" and will Help-to-Sell New Cars and Trucks.

STATUS = New + Innovative + Interesting = Sales !

Yes the Automakers are Using "HD-Radio" for any
and all the Free Publicity that they can get from the
HD-Radio Alliance.

-ps- The Automakers make Premium Money on Each
Premium Option : It is only incidental that this Premium
Option is an "HD-Radio".

This simply follows a Tried-and-True Marketing Scheme
that has been used forever by the Automakers : They
use something that they consider "New + Innovative +
Interesting" as a Premium Option on the High-End
"Status" Cars and Trunks for 1~3 Years.

Next the Automakers will make "HD-Radio"a Standard
Feature on those High-End "Status" Cars and Trunks;
and a Premium Option on their 'other' Vehicles for
another 1~3 Years.

-ps- The Automakers make make Money on Each Standard
Feature inclued in the New Higher Price of the New and
Better Car and Truck even when that Feature is an "HD-Radio"
Plus The Automakers will be making much more Premium
Money on Each Premium Option Sold : It is only incidental
that this Premium Option is an "HD-Radio".

Then with another for 1~3 Years the Automakers make
"HD-Radio" a Standard Feature on all Cars and Trucks.

-ps- The Automakers make make even more Money on
Each Standard Feature inclued in the New Higher Price
of All the New and Better Car and Truck even when that
Feature is an "HD-Radio".

HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change :
[ Begins in the American Car and Truck ]

The most direct path to the vast majority of "Free" Over-the-Air
AM/FM Radio Listeners has always been -via- the Radios
in their Cars and Trucks. �What Happens Audio Wise in
the Cars and Trucks follows-through in the Home and
Office; again with-in 1~3 Years.

Do-the-Math : 3 + 3 + 3 = 9 Years which is about a Decade.
The vast majority of new Cars and Trucks will have a new
"HD-Radio" in them and many used �Cars and Trucks will
have a new "HD-Radio" in them too.
+ Add-in another 3 Years and in little over a Decade the
vast majority of American Homes and Offices will have a
new "HD-Radio" in them too.

Don't have to Like or Hate "HD-Radio" to understand the
Path of Change and Trends that 'cause' Change to Occur.
�.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi�$
�.
�.
the truth is out there - riding on a radio wave ~ RHF
�.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
�.
Google Search Results for : HD-Radiohttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
�.
Google News Results for : HD-Radiohttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
�.
=PS= You Win-the-Day when you put : IBOC -or-
HD Radio -or- iBiquity in the Subject-Line of your
Anti-IBOC-HD-Radio-iBiquity Posts :
* The People who want To-Read-It can choose to Read-It
-and- Like You
* The People who Do Not Want To-Read-It can choose
NOT to read it -and- They Will Not Dislike You.
TBL - That's Win+Win for You and Your Message.
�.
On Mar 25, 10:54 am, IBOCcrock wrote:



On Mar 25, 9:10 am, RHF wrote:

Broadcast Newsroom -reports- Mercedes-Benz Adds HD Radio As Option

http://radio.broadcastnewsroom.com/a....jsp?id=340824

Among Automakers now offering HD Radio are . . .

-source- �Broadcast Newsroom (BN) - 03/24/08
CopyRight (c) 2008 - Reed Business Information,
a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. - All Rights Reserved.
�.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi�$
�.
�.
the truth is out there - riding on a radio wave ~ RHF
�.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
�.
Google Search Results for : HD-Radiohttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
�.
Google News Results for : HD-Radiohttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
�.
=PS= You Win-the-Day when you put : IBOC -or-
HD Radio -or- iBiquity in the Subject-Line of your
Anti-IBOC-HD-Radio-iBiquity Posts :
* The People who want To-Read-It can choose to Read-It
-and- Like You
* The People who Do Not Want To-Read-It can choose
NOT to read it -and- They Will Not Dislike You.
TBL - That's Win+Win for You and Your Message.
�.

"DEAD AIR: Radio's Great Leap Forward stalling in the Valley"

"Nearly two years after the Valley's four Clear Channel stations went
HD, several high-end car manufacturers have promised to offer HD
radios as an option on new models. But while Ford announced in
September that it offers the radios as dealer-installed upgrades -- as
have Mini, Volvo, Jaguar and BMW -- local Ford and Lincoln dealers had
not heard of HD and said they don't offer the option."

http://www.themonitor.com/news/radio...ml/digital_new....

"Are Ford and HD Radio in Sync?"

"The radio industry will, of course, promote Ford for free in exchange
for this development as part of the presumably soon-to-expire pledge
of airtime to the HD radio effort."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/09/are-ford-and-hd.html

Look what Ford pulled - Mercedes sales are down, and just like every
one else, they are using HD Radio for free publicity.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

****ing kook.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change -Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

On Mar 25, 2:49 pm, RHF wrote:
IBOCcrock,

You Don't Get It ! - The Automakers are using "HD-Radio"
as a Premium Option on the High-End "Status" Cars and
Trunks. Because they believe that "HD-Radio" confirs
"Status" and will Help-to-Sell New Cars and Trucks.

STATUS = New + Innovative + Interesting = Sales !

Yes the Automakers are Using "HD-Radio" for any
and all the Free Publicity that they can get from the
HD-Radio Alliance.

-ps- The Automakers make Premium Money on Each
Premium Option : It is only incidental that this Premium
Option is an "HD-Radio".

This simply follows a Tried-and-True Marketing Scheme
that has been used forever by the Automakers : They
use something that they consider "New + Innovative +
Interesting" as a Premium Option on the High-End
"Status" Cars and Trunks for 1~3 Years.

Next the Automakers will make "HD-Radio"a Standard
Feature on those High-End "Status" Cars and Trunks;
and a Premium Option on their 'other' Vehicles for
another 1~3 Years.

-ps- The Automakers make make Money on Each Standard
Feature inclued in the New Higher Price of the New and
Better Car and Truck even when that Feature is an "HD-Radio"
Plus The Automakers will be making much more Premium
Money on Each Premium Option Sold : It is only incidental
that this Premium Option is an "HD-Radio".

Then with another for 1~3 Years the Automakers make
"HD-Radio" a Standard Feature on all Cars and Trucks.

-ps- The Automakers make make even more Money on
Each Standard Feature inclued in the New Higher Price
of All the New and Better Car and Truck even when that
Feature is an "HD-Radio".

HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change :
[ Begins in the American Car and Truck ]

The most direct path to the vast majority of "Free" Over-the-Air
AM/FM Radio Listeners has always been -via- the Radios
in their Cars and Trucks. What Happens Audio Wise in
the Cars and Trucks follows-through in the Home and
Office; again with-in 1~3 Years.

Do-the-Math : 3 + 3 + 3 = 9 Years which is about a Decade.
The vast majority of new Cars and Trucks will have a new
"HD-Radio" in them and many used Cars and Trucks will
have a new "HD-Radio" in them too.
+ Add-in another 3 Years and in little over a Decade the
vast majority of American Homes and Offices will have a
new "HD-Radio" in them too.

Don't have to Like or Hate "HD-Radio" to understand the
Path of Change and Trends that 'cause' Change to Occur.
.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
.
.
the truth is out there - riding on a radio wave ~ RHF
.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
.
Google Search Results for : HD-Radiohttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Google News Results for : HD-Radiohttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
=PS= You Win-the-Day when you put : IBOC -or-
HD Radio -or- iBiquity in the Subject-Line of your
Anti-IBOC-HD-Radio-iBiquity Posts :
* The People who want To-Read-It can choose to Read-It
-and- Like You
* The People who Do Not Want To-Read-It can choose
NOT to read it -and- They Will Not Dislike You.
TBL - That's Win+Win for You and Your Message.
.
On Mar 25, 10:54 am, IBOCcrock wrote:



On Mar 25, 9:10 am, RHF wrote:

Broadcast Newsroom -reports- Mercedes-Benz Adds HD Radio As Option

http://radio.broadcastnewsroom.com/a....jsp?id=340824

Among Automakers now offering HD Radio are . . .

-source- Broadcast Newsroom (BN) - 03/24/08
CopyRight (c) 2008 - Reed Business Information,
a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. - All Rights Reserved.
.
IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
.
.
the truth is out there - riding on a radio wave ~ RHF
.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
.
Google Search Results for : HD-Radiohttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Google News Results for : HD-Radiohttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
=PS= You Win-the-Day when you put : IBOC -or-
HD Radio -or- iBiquity in the Subject-Line of your
Anti-IBOC-HD-Radio-iBiquity Posts :
* The People who want To-Read-It can choose to Read-It
-and- Like You
* The People who Do Not Want To-Read-It can choose
NOT to read it -and- They Will Not Dislike You.
TBL - That's Win+Win for You and Your Message.
.

"DEAD AIR: Radio's Great Leap Forward stalling in the Valley"

"Nearly two years after the Valley's four Clear Channel stations went
HD, several high-end car manufacturers have promised to offer HD
radios as an option on new models. But while Ford announced in
September that it offers the radios as dealer-installed upgrades -- as
have Mini, Volvo, Jaguar and BMW -- local Ford and Lincoln dealers had
not heard of HD and said they don't offer the option."

http://www.themonitor.com/news/radio...ml/digital_new....

"Are Ford and HD Radio in Sync?"

"The radio industry will, of course, promote Ford for free in exchange
for this development as part of the presumably soon-to-expire pledge
of airtime to the HD radio effort."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/09/are-ford-and-hd.html

Look what Ford pulled - Mercedes sales are down, and just like every
one else, they are using HD Radio for free publicity.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You don't get it:

"Ford Gets More Sirius"

"Sirius Satellite Radio and Ford announced today that they are
targeting a 70% installation rate for the Ford and Mercury brand of
automobiles. Ford had previously announced that their Lincoln brand
was effectively at standard equipment. This commitment with the Ford
and Mercury brands is a substantial step for Sirius, as it brings Ford
up to a similar installation pace as Chrysler."

http://siriusbuzz.com/ford-gets-more-sirius.php

"Ford to make Sirius Factory Standard in Canada"

"Here's some incredible news for Sirius Canada: Ford of Canada has
announced that they will make Sirius Satellite Radio a factory-
standard feature in virtually all Fords sold in Canada, by the end of
2007. That's a total of 20 vehicle lines. Absolutely great news, and
hopefully a sign of things to come for the U.S."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/fo...in-canada.html

"Ford SYNC, HD Radio and the state of competition"

"Now here's the killer: Ford is making SYNC available as a factory-
installed option for just over $300. And for the top-end trim levels,
like the Focus SES, it'll be a standard feature."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/fo...mpetition.html

"Radio: Internet Radio or HD Radio. You choose!"

"The first video is a pitch from Ford for their new optional SYNC,
which, among many other things, allows one to listen to any Internet
Radio from anywhere in the world... I searched in vain for a Ford
pitch video on HD Radio but, wisely, they didn't do one."

http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/...blog-post.html

"iBiquity Digital Investor Information"

"iBiquity's investors are global leaders in the technology,
broadcasting, manufacturing, media and financial industries all
supporting the development and rollout of HD Radio broadcasting:
Leading Manufacturers include Ford Motor Company, Visteon
Corporation...."

http://www.ibiquity.com/about_us/investor_information

"Lincoln Mercury, Visteon and iBiquity to Showcase HD Radio?"

"Both Ford and Visteon have agreements with iBiquity Digital, the sole
developer and licenser of digital AM and FM radio in the United
States, with Visteon already developing HD Radio capable OEM receivers
for the 2004 model year."

http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/n...eases/2002/100

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

In article
,
RHF wrote:

IBOCcrock,

You Don't Get It ! - The Automakers are using "HD-Radio"
as a Premium Option on the High-End "Status" Cars and
Trunks. Because they believe that "HD-Radio" confirs
"Status" and will Help-to-Sell New Cars and Trucks.

SNIP

You are the one that does not "get it". Most people don't even know what
HD radio is and if they do they don't generally want it. Most people
that are serious about music get satellite radio.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change -Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

On Mar 25, 6:52 pm, Telamon
wrote:

Most people don't even know what HD radio is and if they do they don't generally want it. Most people that are serious about music get satellite radio.


A few years ago most people didn't even know what satellite radio is.
JUST LIKE HD RADIO, satellite radio started as a PREMIUM in the LUXURY
cars. Then, after SEVERAL YEARS, became an option on most cars. I am
surprised that so many people are so clueless as to how new products
start and develop into the mainstream. Just like navigation systems.
They were first offered as an option on the Luxury cars about 9 or 10
years ago, and STILL this option is NOT offered on all models of
cars. IT TAKES TIME for the mainstream to become informed. Not to
mention that MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-
earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change -Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

On Mar 25, 6:52*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,

*RHF wrote:
IBOCcrock,

You Don't Get It ! - The Automakers are using "HD-Radio"
as a Premium Option on the High-End "Status" Cars and
Trunks. *Because they believe that "HD-Radio" confirs
"Status" and will Help-to-Sell New Cars and Trucks.

SNIP

You are the one that does not "get it". Most people don't even know what
HD radio is and if they do they don't generally want it. Most people
that are serious about music get satellite radio.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon - It's 1958* and FM (Mono) Radio all over again. ~ RHF

* Then by 1978 everyone had FM-Stereo Radio in their Cars,
Homes amd Offices.

Change Simply Happens at Its Own Pace and In It's Own Time.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change -Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

On Mar 26, 12:17*pm, wrote:
On Mar 25, 6:52 pm, Telamon

wrote:
Most people don't even know what HD radio is and if they do they don't generally want it. Most people that are serious about music get satellite radio.

A few years ago most people didn't even know what satellite radio is.
JUST LIKE HD RADIO, satellite radio started as a PREMIUM in the LUXURY
cars. *Then, after SEVERAL YEARS, became an option on most cars. *I am
surprised that so many people are so clueless as to how new products
start and develop into the mainstream. *Just like navigation systems.
They were first offered as an option on the Luxury cars about 9 or 10
years ago, and STILL this option is NOT offered on all models of
cars. *IT TAKES TIME for the mainstream to become informed. *Not to
mention that MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-
earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.


GA - It's 1958* and FM (Mono) Radio is a Premium Option
in New Cars. ~ RHF

* Then by 1978 everyone had FM-Stereo Radio in their Cars,
Homes amd Offices.

Change Simply Happens at Its Own Pace and In It's Own Time.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change- Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change -Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

On Mar 26, 1:16*pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:

MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-

earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.

* *That's what they said about cable. *And later satellite TV.

* *It's all about content, Gary. What you want, you'll pay for. Cable TV
has taught us that.

* *HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's
never made a case for content.

* *Cable subscribers signed up for content not available over the air.
Satellite TV subscribers signed up for content not available through Cable..

* *Satellite radio subscribers have signed up for content not available
on terrestrial radio.

* *HD could offer the same alternatives, but has not. So, HD has been of
interest to gadgeteers and geeks, broadcasters and those with a vested
interest in the technology. But the public has been unwilling to drop
$200+ on a radio that only provides what is already available free.

* *Radio listening is about content. Until HD is promoted for it
content, it will not garner much interest with the buying public.

* *If the radio is not playing what the listener wants to hear....it
doesn't matter what it sounds like.

DPM,

Hence the Clear Channel request to the FCC to Extend
the Broadcast Decency Rules to DBS-Radio.

Create an Equality in the Allowable "Content" for both
Terrestrial AM/FM and Direct Satellite Radio Broadcasters.

Clear Channel to FCC : Wash XM-Sirius' Mouth-Out with Soap
-by- Matthew Lasar - Published : March 25, 2008

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nnel-to-fcc-wa...

Taking the "X" out of XM Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) Radio
Clear Channel wants the FCC to apply the Broadcast Decency
Rules to DBS-Radio.

Now Clear Channel wants even more strings attached
to the possible . . .

-source- Ars Technica {Art of Technology}
CopyRight © 1998-2008 - Ars Technica, LLC
All Rights Reserved.

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

Telamon you're right! My god I'm agreeing with Telamon.. just shoot me.. LOL

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's never
made a case for content.


Here are some content examples.

Texas. Austin, Houston, Dallas, McAllen., E lPaso. Tejano HD programming on
one Univision station per market, giving these markets their only Tejano
service. Tejano is a music style of third to fourth generation Hispanics in
Texas, and has considerable following, but not enough for a main channel
service.

LA. Amor Celestial. On KLVE HD2, only contemporary Christian all music
format available in LA metro, with signal most usable in the Inland Empire
as well. Has its own studio, not just a computer, with PD, jocks, artist
interviews, etc.

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

"Scooter" wrote in message
. ..
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change- Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's never
made a case for content.


Here are some content examples.

Texas. Austin, Houston, Dallas, McAllen., E lPaso. Tejano HD programming on
one Univision station per market, giving these markets their only Tejano
service. Tejano is a music style of third to fourth generation Hispanics in
Texas, and has considerable following, but not enough for a main channel
service.

LA. Amor Celestial. On KLVE HD2, only contemporary Christian all music
format available in LA metro, with signal most usable in the Inland Empire
as well. Has its own studio, not just a computer, with PD, jocks, artist
interviews, etc.




Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas,
and McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....

You present examples. But you don't show where a case has been made
for content. Thank you for making my point for me.

HD is largely ignored. First because its promise of higher audio
fidelity hasn't materialized, but secondly because there's been no case
made for alternative content.

Let me give you a classic and dramatic example. WLS is unlistenable
at my location in Lake County, well within (what used to be known as)
the WLS Chicago ADI. Low signal, high noise, IBOC interference from out
of market. Unlistenable. I'm not the only one who's noticed.

WLS IS, however available on WZZN's HD-2.

Right there is a ready market for HD.

Has this been ever promoted? Ummmm....no. I know it's there because
the WLS PD told me in a casual conversation at lunch last year.
Otherwise, like everyone else in Chicago, I'd never have known.

No case has been made for alternative content for HD.

If it's there, Brother David, it might be a good idea for someone to
start talking about it.

As I said, HD has been ignored for two reasons. One the promise of
superior audio fidelity, the cornerstone of EVERY HD promo I've heard to
date, hasn't materialized. And second, because a case hasn't been made
for content.

I've said since the beginning, here, that if HD uptake is going to be
increased, it has to be through content.

But content is the one thing absent from HD promotion.

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of TechnologicalChange - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message
. ..
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.




Have anyone but me noticed that David rarely actually addresses a
statement made here. But rather, picks a script that hits one of his
pseudo-statistical drumbeats, and repeats that, without really
addressing the issue.


Kind of makes you wonder if his professional education came at the
Customer Service training seminar at Microsoft.


Sorry, David. As one Brother-in-Sound to another...it had to be said.




memberfdic.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

In article ,
"Scooter" wrote:

Telamon you're right! My god I'm agreeing with Telamon.. just shoot me.. LOL

Just calm down and it will pass. You are just experiencing the high from
being on the right side of an issue. It's like riding a bicycle, soon
being right will be a natural feeling.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

In article ,
"Scooter" wrote:

HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

Yes, that's it in a nut shell.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message
. ..
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.




Have anyone but me noticed that David rarely actually addresses a
statement made here. But rather, picks a script that hits one of his
pseudo-statistical drumbeats, and repeats that, without really
addressing the issue.


Kind of makes you wonder if his professional education came at the
Customer Service training seminar at Microsoft.


Sorry, David. As one Brother-in-Sound to another...it had to be said.




memberfdic.

Yeah, I've noticed.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas, and
McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....

Yes, it has. In the Texas markets we have done station displays in stores
promoting the channels, and estimates are around 20,000 receivers sold in
Houston.

LA is brand new, so we have no data.

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message
. ..
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If
automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.


Have anyone but me noticed that David rarely actually addresses a
statement made here. But rather, picks a script that hits one of his
pseudo-statistical drumbeats, and repeats that, without really addressing
the issue.

The post made it seem like in-car was the end-all to HD sales. It isn't,
although the opposite applies to satellite.

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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas, and
McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....

Yes, it has. In the Texas markets we have done station displays in stores
promoting the channels, and estimates are around 20,000 receivers sold in
Houston.



Than that would make you unique. Oh...who knew.

No, it woud not. There are quite a few individual markets where locally
inspired HD stuff has had an impact on sales.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas, and
McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....
Yes, it has. In the Texas markets we have done station displays in stores
promoting the channels, and estimates are around 20,000 receivers sold in
Houston.


Than that would make you unique. Oh...who knew.

No, it woud not. There are quite a few individual markets where locally
inspired HD stuff has had an impact on sales.





Given the sales curve, about the same impact as Kevin Tekel's AMS
campaign.

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D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:

MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-
earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.


That's what they said about cable. And later satellite TV.

It's all about content, Gary. What you want, you'll pay for. Cable TV
has taught us that.

HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's
never made a case for content.

Cable subscribers signed up for content not available over the air.
Satellite TV subscribers signed up for content not available through Cable.

Satellite radio subscribers have signed up for content not available
on terrestrial radio.

HD could offer the same alternatives, but has not. So, HD has been of
interest to gadgeteers and geeks, broadcasters and those with a vested
interest in the technology. But the public has been unwilling to drop
$200+ on a radio that only provides what is already available free.

Radio listening is about content. Until HD is promoted for it content,
it will not garner much interest with the buying public.

If the radio is not playing what the listener wants to hear....it
doesn't matter what it sounds like.



www.shoutcast.com

http://radiotime.com/index.aspx

www.icecast.org

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of TechnologicalChange - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

D Peter Maus wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message
. ..
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If
automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in
the car.



Have anyone but me noticed that David rarely actually addresses a
statement made here. But rather, picks a script that hits one of his
pseudo-statistical drumbeats, and repeats that, without really
addressing the issue.


Kind of makes you wonder if his professional education came at the
Customer Service training seminar at Microsoft.


Sorry, David. As one Brother-in-Sound to another...it had to be said.


As someone who lived radio from the age of 13 onward, I ONLY listen in
the car; and then only to Sirius for the BBC, FNC and music; and a
little AM New Talk (usually DXing at the same time). The FM here is
terrible. I use web radio at home and at work.

IBOC : Radio World OnLine - What Engineers Should Know -by- CharlesT. Morgan
 

IBOC : What Engineers Should Know -by- Charles T. Morgan

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-ro...stmorgan.shtml

The Chairman of the NRSC Says FM IBOC, Though Imperfect,
Is a Significant Improvement for U.S. FM Radio - 29 NOV 2001
-source- Radio World (RW) OnLine - http://www.rwonline.com/

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in the 70's Without cable, you were left with a handful of free over the air
TV stations. And reception wasn't reliable

Without HD radio, you are still left with no less than 30 free viable Am/Fm
radio stations.

With HD you get stations that sound a little better, but bascially are left
with the same format choices already found on Am/FM

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On Mar 26, 4:04 pm, RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 1:16 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:





wrote:

MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-

earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.

That's what they said about cable. And later satellite TV.

It's all about content, Gary. What you want, you'll pay for. Cable TV
has taught us that.

HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's
never made a case for content.

Cable subscribers signed up for content not available over the air.
Satellite TV subscribers signed up for content not available through Cable.

Satellite radio subscribers have signed up for content not available
on terrestrial radio.

HD could offer the same alternatives, but has not. So, HD has been of
interest to gadgeteers and geeks, broadcasters and those with a vested
interest in the technology. But the public has been unwilling to drop
$200+ on a radio that only provides what is already available free.

Radio listening is about content. Until HD is promoted for it
content, it will not garner much interest with the buying public.

If the radio is not playing what the listener wants to hear....it
doesn't matter what it sounds like.

DPM,

Hence the Clear Channel request to the FCC to Extend
the Broadcast Decency Rules to DBS-Radio.

Create an Equality in the Allowable "Content" for both
Terrestrial AM/FM and Direct Satellite Radio Broadcasters.

Clear Channel to FCC : Wash XM-Sirius' Mouth-Out with Soap
-by- Matthew Lasar - Published : March 25, 2008

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nnel-to-fcc-wa...

Taking the "X" out of XM Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) Radio
Clear Channel wants the FCC to apply the Broadcast Decency
Rules to DBS-Radio.

Now Clear Channel wants even more strings attached
to the possible . . .

-source- Ars Technica {Art of Technology}
CopyRight (c) 1998-2008 - Ars Technica, LLC
All Rights Reserved.
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"Questions About High Definition HD Radio"

Q: Why do I get drop-outs or silences on the HD2 Services?

A: This is a sign of marginal signal strength at your radio. It is
important to remember that the HD Radio multicast channels (HD2, HD3,
etc), unlike the HD1 channel, do not have an analog signal for the
radio to 'fall-back to' when digital reception is lost. So a listener
with marginal reception that is losing the digital signal will
experience periods of silence until the signal is regained.

http://www.wpr.org/hd/hd_faq.cfm

"Is HD Radio Toast?"

"There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. The
engineers of Ibiquity may argue otherwise and defend the system, but
the industry has a serious PR problem with the very people we need to
get the word out on HD... In other words, everything you can find on
the regular FM dial... The word has already gotten out about HD Radio.
People who have already bought an HD Radio are telling others of their
experience (mostly bad) and no amount of marketing will reverse this."

http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772

Most automakers won't even touch HD, because it simply doesn't work -
there are no analog backups for the HD channels, it jams, and causes
interference. Wait until consumers figure out that their "defective"
HD radios don't work.

NO DEMAND... IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation ofTechnological Change - Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

On Mar 26, 7:32�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message

. ..

HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.

Right, Eduardo - almost 50% of listening is during rush-hours. Aside
from that, no one is buying home HD radios - LOL!

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On Mar 26, 7:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in ...

HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's never
made a case for content.

Here are some content examples.

Texas. Austin, Houston, Dallas, McAllen., E lPaso. Tejano HD programming on
one Univision station per market, giving these markets their only Tejano
service. Tejano is a music style of third to fourth generation Hispanics in
Texas, and has considerable following, but not enough for a main channel
service.

LA. Amor Celestial. On KLVE HD2, only contemporary Christian all music
format available in LA metro, with signal most usable in the Inland Empire
as well. Has its own studio, not just a computer, with PD, jocks, artist
interviews, etc.

"DEAD AIR: Radio's great leap forward stalling in the Valley"

"Retailers say no one is buying HD radios in South Texas despite
scattered attempts by broadcasters to promote the digital signal
technology..."

http://www.themonitor.com/news/radio...gital_new.html

"HD Radio Has Yet To Take Off"

"But the technology hasn't taken off as expected. NBC 5 could not find
one person who owns a hi-def radio and neither could KISS FM's program
director. I don't know anybody that has one yet, Davis said."

http://www.nbc5i.com/technology/14878368/detail.html

"High-def radio is here, but is anyone listening?"

"But 19 Utah stations are broadcasting 31 high-definition radio
channels with six more coming soon... It seems the stations are
investing in technology the public isn't quite ready to embrace....
Some have heard it referred to but never had cause to get one. Unless
you are a gadget person, few of these radios have sold."

http://www.sltrib.com/technology/ci_7852904

"HD's here. Who's listening?"

"But consumers haven't exactly been stampeding to electronics stores
for the new HD Radio sets that are required to tune in the digital
signals."

http://www.twincities.com/business/c...=1#recent_comm

"Don't touch that dial: Digital radio lags behind"

"Digital radio -- now synonymous with the HD Radio brand name --
apparently has yet to catch on with listeners in this area..."

http://tinyurl.com/2gdmca

Yea, Eduardo - HD radios are selling like hot-cakes! LOL!

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On Mar 26, 8:22�pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Scooter" wrote in message
...
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

It's more than car listening. Only about 30% of radio listening is in the
car.

� � Have anyone but me noticed that David rarely actually addresses a
statement made here. But rather, picks a script that hits one of his
pseudo-statistical drumbeats, and repeats that, without really
addressing the issue.

� � Kind of makes you wonder if his professional education came at the
Customer Service training seminar at Microsoft.

� � Sorry, David. As one Brother-in-Sound to another...it had to be said.

� � memberfdic.

"Kind of makes you wonder if his professional education came at the
Customer Service training seminar at Microsoft."

The fake Hispanic also has a fake eduacation - he is a lousyy high-
school dropout with a lousy GED. My company, a DOD contractor,
requires US citizenship, and atleast a high-school diploma.

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On Mar 26, 9:08�pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,

�"Scooter" wrote:
HD radio wasn't created because listeners were demanding better sound.
Demand was created by radio, in response to satellite radio. If automakers
can't sell radios because theirs no demand from consumers, how then will
dealers make money from a preimum option?

Yes, that's it in a nut shell.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

HD Radio doesn't even have the funds to pay to get in-dash.

IBOC : HD-Radio and the Implementation of Technological Change- Begins in the American Car and Truck
 

Scooter wrote:
in the 70's Without cable, you were left with a handful of free over the air
TV stations. And reception wasn't reliable

Without HD radio, you are still left with no less than 30 free viable Am/Fm
radio stations.

With HD you get stations that sound a little better, but bascially are left
with the same format choices already found on Am/FM

A better move would be to improve the AM receiver by using a decent sync
detector an a variable Q IF.