D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

msg wrote:

dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
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More QRM.


On the other hand, if this works, it could become a revitalizing force for
SW to cover sparsely populated and remote areas of the world and even
reverse the decline in SW station numbers.

Like your stupid IBOC works?

Pay attention, 'Eduardo', it will only mean more QRM.


I do not have the luxury of living in a radio quiet area; I battle
monumental QRN and RFI from hosts of consumer and industrial devices.
I for one, would welcome a reliable modulation method that punches
through that mess, and if a digital scheme on SW that respects
known adjacent channels will do this, I am interested.

Forget it. DRM = QRM.



I know I'm going to hell for this, but.....

If IBOC kept it's crap within the channel of the station's
allocation, it wouldn't be near the problem it is, today. That's where
it differs from DRM. DRM is contained within channel, and provides,
often-but not always, better audio clarity, with surprisingly less power.

Not to say I'm a big fan of DRM, because, right now, more often than
not, it's a pain in the ass, but if implemented as promised, DRM offers
more to the radio listening public than IBOC ever will.

What DRM has to deal with is the propagation characteristics of HF.
And that may be the razor by which we judge DRM.

But...and I say this with caution, and knowing that I stand a great
risk of agreeing with those with whom I've disagreed in the past...I'm
of the opinion that if DRM can be implemented in such a manner as it
respects the SW bandplan, and can keep it's splatter within it's own
channel, DRM may well be the solution that IBOC was meant to be.

DRM needs to be moved to its own particular portion of the various SW bands.
Somewhere where the real stations are not operating. Then, the DRM'ers can QRM each
other.

I'm all in favour of that.

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
msg wrote:

dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...

More QRM.


On the other hand, if this works, it could become a revitalizing force for
SW to cover sparsely populated and remote areas of the world and even
reverse the decline in SW station numbers.
Like your stupid IBOC works?

Pay attention, 'Eduardo', it will only mean more QRM.


I do not have the luxury of living in a radio quiet area; I battle
monumental QRN and RFI from hosts of consumer and industrial devices.
I for one, would welcome a reliable modulation method that punches
through that mess, and if a digital scheme on SW that respects
known adjacent channels will do this, I am interested.
Forget it. DRM = QRM.


I know I'm going to hell for this, but.....

If IBOC kept it's crap within the channel of the station's
allocation, it wouldn't be near the problem it is, today. That's where
it differs from DRM. DRM is contained within channel, and provides,
often-but not always, better audio clarity, with surprisingly less power.

Not to say I'm a big fan of DRM, because, right now, more often than
not, it's a pain in the ass, but if implemented as promised, DRM offers
more to the radio listening public than IBOC ever will.

What DRM has to deal with is the propagation characteristics of HF.
And that may be the razor by which we judge DRM.

But...and I say this with caution, and knowing that I stand a great
risk of agreeing with those with whom I've disagreed in the past...I'm
of the opinion that if DRM can be implemented in such a manner as it
respects the SW bandplan, and can keep it's splatter within it's own
channel, DRM may well be the solution that IBOC was meant to be.

DRM needs to be moved to its own particular portion of the various SW bands.
Somewhere where the real stations are not operating. Then, the DRM'ers can QRM each
other.

I'm all in favour of that.




And that's a good solution. One, that, sadly, doesn't seem to be in
the cards with the allocation committees.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:



Ace would rather have no stations than stations using digital
modulation.

Pay attention, 'Eduardo' ... I'd rather not have any QRM.


In a few years, you won't. There wlll be no SW stations at all.

Aren't you one of those idiots that predicted that was going to happen at
least
20 years ago?


No, I did not predict there would be no stations on SW back in 1988.
However, even in 1967 when I bought an Ecuadorian station that had an
inactive SW permit, I realized the growth of local AM and shortwave would
preclude the need for domestic SW on the Tropical band and decided not to
build the permit. Over the years, we have seen a profusion of local stations
in areas previously only served by SW and, thus, a reduction of SW stations.

A friend who syndicates programming internationally noted after a trip to
about 14 sub-Saharan African nations that cities that previously had no
local radio and depended on reception from a larger city or the capital now
had as many as several dozen FM stations, some parts of networks, some
local. All have virtually replaced listening to distant stations of any
kind.

The Alaskan DRM concept, if it works and they can finance it, changes the
usage of SW, but makes the long distance coverage of SW a viable concept
again.

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
dxAce wrote:


And that's a good solution. One, that, sadly, doesn't seem to be in the
cards with the allocation committees.



Do you see that as caused by the traditionally dysfunctional committees, or
the perception of SW as not worth the effort (a dying medium in some minds)
or the fact that there is scant unity among the SW broadcasters themselves?

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:



Ace would rather have no stations than stations using digital
modulation.

Pay attention, 'Eduardo' ... I'd rather not have any QRM.


In a few years, you won't. There wlll be no SW stations at all.

Aren't you one of those idiots that predicted that was going to happen at
least
20 years ago?


No, I did not predict there would be no stations on SW back in 1988.
However, even in 1967 when I bought an Ecuadorian station that had an
inactive SW permit, I realized the growth of local AM and shortwave would
preclude the need for domestic SW on the Tropical band and decided not to
build the permit. Over the years, we have seen a profusion of local stations
in areas previously only served by SW and, thus, a reduction of SW stations.

You bought nothing.

A friend who syndicates programming internationally noted after a trip to
about 14 sub-Saharan African nations that cities that previously had no
local radio and depended on reception from a larger city or the capital now
had as many as several dozen FM stations, some parts of networks, some
local. All have virtually replaced listening to distant stations of any
kind.

The Alaskan DRM concept, if it works and they can finance it, changes the
usage of SW, but makes the long distance coverage of SW a viable concept
again.

But for now, and into the forseeable future, DRM = QRM. Pay attention,
'Eduardo'.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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No, I did not predict there would be no stations on SW back in 1988.
However, even in 1967 when I bought an Ecuadorian station that had an
inactive SW permit, I realized the growth of local AM and shortwave would
preclude the need for domestic SW on the Tropical band and decided not to
build the permit. Over the years, we have seen a profusion of local
stations
in areas previously only served by SW and, thus, a reduction of SW
stations.

You bought nothing.

OK, be nit-picky. My company bought from one Fausto Vallejo Silva the assets
of Radio Amaguaña, licencee of HCSP1 595 kHz in San Pedro de Amaguaña,
Provincia del Pichincha, Ecuador, and the permit for a tropical band SW
stations in the same canton of San Pedro de Amaguaña. The AM was bought on
the condition that the licence would be moved to Quito and reassigned; the
SW permit was left to expire or do whatever unbuilt permits did.

A friend who syndicates programming internationally noted after a trip to
about 14 sub-Saharan African nations that cities that previously had no
local radio and depended on reception from a larger city or the capital
now
had as many as several dozen FM stations, some parts of networks, some
local. All have virtually replaced listening to distant stations of any
kind.

The Alaskan DRM concept, if it works and they can finance it, changes the
usage of SW, but makes the long distance coverage of SW a viable concept
again.

But for now, and into the forseeable future, DRM = QRM. Pay attention,
'Eduardo'.

How can you interfere with an ever declining analog station base?

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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No, I did not predict there would be no stations on SW back in 1988.
However, even in 1967 when I bought an Ecuadorian station that had an
inactive SW permit, I realized the growth of local AM and shortwave would
preclude the need for domestic SW on the Tropical band and decided not to
build the permit. Over the years, we have seen a profusion of local
stations
in areas previously only served by SW and, thus, a reduction of SW
stations.

You bought nothing.

OK, be nit-picky. My company bought from one Fausto Vallejo Silva the assets
of Radio Amaguaña, licencee of HCSP1 595 kHz in San Pedro de Amaguaña,
Provincia del Pichincha, Ecuador, and the permit for a tropical band SW
stations in the same canton of San Pedro de Amaguaña. The AM was bought on
the condition that the licence would be moved to Quito and reassigned; the
SW permit was left to expire or do whatever unbuilt permits did.

A friend who syndicates programming internationally noted after a trip to
about 14 sub-Saharan African nations that cities that previously had no
local radio and depended on reception from a larger city or the capital
now
had as many as several dozen FM stations, some parts of networks, some
local. All have virtually replaced listening to distant stations of any
kind.

The Alaskan DRM concept, if it works and they can finance it, changes the
usage of SW, but makes the long distance coverage of SW a viable concept
again.

But for now, and into the forseeable future, DRM = QRM. Pay attention,
'Eduardo'.

How can you interfere with an ever declining analog station base?

You and your pals should know. It's called IBOC. Pay attention, 'Eduardo', IBOC
= QRM.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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How can you interfere with an ever declining analog station base?

You and your pals should know. It's called IBOC. Pay attention, 'Eduardo',
IBOC
= QRM.

On SW it is called DRM, and this thread started with the announcement of a
plan to build DRM statewide SW facilities in Alaska.

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...



How can you interfere with an ever declining analog station base?

You and your pals should know. It's called IBOC. Pay attention, 'Eduardo',
IBOC
= QRM.

On SW it is called DRM, and this thread started with the announcement of a
plan to build DRM statewide SW facilities in Alaska.

No kidding? Damn, you sure are one smart faux Hispanic.

Glad to see that you recovered from your Cinco de Mayo bender.

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...



How can you interfere with an ever declining analog station base?

You and your pals should know. It's called IBOC. Pay attention,
'Eduardo',
IBOC
= QRM.

On SW it is called DRM, and this thread started with the announcement of
a
plan to build DRM statewide SW facilities in Alaska.

No kidding? Damn, you sure are one smart faux Hispanic.


I started the thread. Your memory is failing.

In any case, this is an idea (the Alaskan one, not the one of your memory
failing) that has some potential for reviving SW's usage for service to
rural areas with a 21st Century modulation scheme.