I need to go back to work in my back yard now.(there is sooooooooooooo
much I still need to do before June the three, this year, I am not sure
if I am going to make it by then) Maybe those Communist *******s and
those Communist Bitches who run the F...ed up city of
Jackson,Mississippi will grant me a stay of execution for a few more
weeks.I bought a cheap disposable camera at the Wal Fart store, I have
been takeing some before and after photos of my back yard.
cuhulin

dxAce wrote:

You certainly seem *fixated* on how the US spends its money.


Someone has to be, Washington sure doesn't give a damn.

They spend it like you...a drunken sailor.


http://zfacts.com/p/461.html





mike

Last week, at a Big Lots store, one of the thingys I bought was a Cyber
Gear voice changer telephone, five dollars.I am just itching to try it
out to see if I sound like a girl on the phone.
cuhulin

m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

You certainly seem *fixated* on how the US spends its money.

Someone has to be, Washington sure doesn't give a damn.

What do you care? After all, you're just another dumbass Canuck who ought to be
focusing your attention on Ottawa.

On May 11, 4:17*am, RHF wrote:
On May 10, 11:52*pm, junius wrote:



On May 10, 9:51*pm, RHF wrote:

Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.

- 1993 * *Bill Clinton * *1,213
- 1994 * *Bill Clinton * *1,075
- 1995 * *Bill Clinton * *1,040
- 1996 * *Bill Clinton * *974
- 1997 * *Bill Clinton * *817
- 1998 * *Bill Clinton * *827
- 1999 * *Bill Clinton * *796
- 2000 * *Bill Clinton * *758
Total*: 7,500

Well, RHF, I see that you didn’t bother checking out the CRS report
that was mentioned in David’s post. *Moreover, it seems that you
didn’t follow the news too well during the 1990’s, if you’re of the
erroneous impression that the US suffered such a high death toll in
Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. *Was your shortwave on the blink during
the 1990’s? *Or were you just tuning to WWCR for reports of black
helicopters during those heady post-Cold War days?

The CRS report, referenced in David’s earlier post, can be accessed at
the link below:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

year * * * * * *total mil* * * * * * * * *total deaths
1980 * * * * * 2,159,630 * * * * * * * * * * 2,392
1981 * * * * * 2,206,751 * * * * * * * * * * 2,380
1982 * * * * * 2,251,067 * * * * * * * * * * 2,319
1983 * * * * * 2,273,364 * * * * * * * * * * 2,465
1984 * * * * * 2,297,922 * * * * * * * * * * 1,999
1985 * * * * * 2,323,185 * * * * * * * * * * 2,252
1986 * * * * * 2,359,855 * * * * * * * * * * 1,984
1987 * * * * * 2,352,697 * * * * * * * * * * 1,983
1988 * * * * * 2,309,495 * * * * * * * * * * 1,819
1989 * * * * * 2,303,384 * * * * * * * * * * 1,636
1990 * * * * * 2,258,324 * * * * * * * * * * 1,507
1991 * * * * * 2,198,189 * * * * * * * * * *1,787
1992 * * * * * 1,953,337 * * * * * * * * * *1,293
1993 * * * * * 1,849,537 * * * * * * * * * *1,213
1994 * * * * * 1,746,482 * * * * * * * * * *1,075
1995 * * * * * 1,661,928 * * * * * * * * * *1,040
1996 * * * * * 1,613,310 * * * * * * * * * *974
1997 * * * * * 1,578,382 * * * * * * * * * *817
1998 * * * * * 1,538,570 * * * * * * * * * *827
1999 * * * * * 1,525,942 * * * * * * * * * *796
2000 * * * * * 1,530,430 * * * * * * * * * *758

- 2001 * * * * * 1,552,196 * * * * * * * * * *891
- 2002 * * * * * 1,627,142 * * * * * * * * * *999
- 2003 * * * * * 1,732,632 * * * * * * * * * *1,228
- 2004 * * * * * 1,711,916 * * * * * * * * * *1,874
- 2005 * * * * * 1,664,014 * * * * * * * * * *1,942
- 2006 * * * * * 1,664,014 * * * * * * * * * *1,858

* Total military full-time equivalent

Of these deaths, you will find that those resulting from “accidents”
were the most numerous in the years from 1980 through 2003.
Categories not included below: *“homicide”, “illness”, “pending”,
“self-inflicted”, & “undetermined”. *Again, take a look at the report
for more details.

- year * * * * accident *hostile action * * *terrorism



1980 * * * * * 1,556 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 1
1981 * * * * * 1,524 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1982 * * * * * 1,495 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1983 * * * * * 1,413 * * * * * *18 * * * * * * * * *263
1984 * * * * * 1,293 * * * * * *1 * * * * * * * * * * 6
1985 * * * * * 1,476 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 5
1986 * * * * * 1,199 * * * * * *2 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1987 * * * * * 1,172 * * * * * *37 * * * * * * * * * *2
1988 * * * * * 1,080 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 17
1989 * * * * * 1,000 * * * * * *23 * * * * * * * * * *0
1990 * * * * * 880 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 1
1991 * * * * * 931 * * * * * * *147 * * * * * * * * * 0
1992 * * * * * 676 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 1
1993 * * * * * 632 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 29
1994 * * * * * 544 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1995 * * * * * 538 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 7
1996 * * * * * 527 * * * * * * * 1 * * * * * * * * * * 19
1997 * * * * * 433 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1998 * * * * * 445 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 3
1999 * * * * * 436 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * *0
2000 * * * * * 398 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * *17

- 2001 * * * * * 437 * * * * * * * 3 * * * * * * * * * *55
- 2002 * * * * * 547 * * * * * * * 18 * * * * * * * * * 0
- 2003 * * * * * 440 * * * * * * * 344 * * * * * * * * 0
- 2004 * * * * * 604 * * * * * * * 739 * * * * * * * * 0
- 2005 * * * * * 632 * * * * * * * 739 * * * * * * * * 0
- 2006 * * * * * 465 * * * * * * * 753 * * * * * * * * 0



By the way, total US active duty military deaths in Somalia were 43
(29 hostile, 14 non-hostile). US casualties were fewer in the Balkan
conflicts. *For a refresher on Bosnia, let’s travel back in time a
bit:http://www.carnegieendowment.org/pub...fa=view&id=265

- Anyway, you should more or less get the point.

Junius,

Yeah the Point Being that when it isconvenient to call
the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.


About the accidental death rate, you might find this interesting:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311644,00.html

More active members of the military died during two years of peacetime
in the early 1980s than died during a two-year period of war in Iraq
and Afghanistan, according to a government report.

The Congressional Research Service, which compiled war casualty
statistics from the Revolutionary War to present day conflicts,
reported that 4,699 members of the U.S. military died in 1981 and '82
— a period when the U.S. had only limited troop deployments to
conflicts in the Mideast. That number of deaths is nearly 900 more
than the 3,800 deaths during 2005 and '06, when the U.S. was fully
committed to large-scale military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The CRS, which is the public policy research arm of Congress, issued
its findings in the June report "American War and Military Operations
Casualties: Lists and Statistics."

FOXNews.com, in re-examining the findings, found that — surprising as
it may be — there were more active duty deaths in some years of
peacetime than there were in some years of wartime.

Military analysts say the current decrease in military casualties,
even during a time of war, is due to a campaign by the Armed Forces to
reduce accidents and improve medical care on the battlefield.

"It's safer to be in the military because your accidental death rate
has gone down; it's safer to be in the military because if you get
wounded, you'll probably survive," said John Pike, director of
GlobalSecurity.org.

"Getting killed on the battlefield is one way that people in the
military wind up dying, but it's not the main way."

According to the raw figures, of the 2,380 members of the military who
died during active duty in 1981, 1,524 were killed in accidents, 145
by homicide, 457 by illness and 241 from self-inflicted wounds. That
compares with the 1,942 killed in 2005; of that number, 632 died from
accidents, 739 from hostile action, 49 from homicide, 281 from
illness, 150 from self-inflicted wounds and 72 whose causes of death
were still pending. Eleven deaths in ’81 and 19 deaths in ’05 were
classified as “undetermined.”

"Let's not somehow pretend or try to convey the false impression that
being at war is being safer than being at peace, of course not," said
Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute.

"If we stopped these wars we would cut back our annual military
fatalities by close to a thousand people, and that's just simple
arithmetic."

The numbers, which outline active-duty deaths from 1980 to 2006, show
a steady decline in accidents. Experts attribute that decline to
campaigns to curb off-duty partying and drunk driving, as well as
offering better training before putting troops in hazardous
situations. There also are fewer active military members today; the
total number of active servicemen and women decreased from a 1986 high
of 2.18 million troops to the 2006 level of 1.38 million.

Doug Johnson, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S.
Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., said that initial treatment and
airlifts during the so-called "golden hour" after a soldier is wounded
have significantly increased troop survival rates.

"You don't hear the classic war movie cry for 'Medics, medics,'
because everybody's a medic to a certain extent," he said.

The death-to-wounded ratio has also improved, the study found. Nearly
8 people are wounded for every one who dies in Operation Iraqi Freedom
versus the 1 death to 1.7 wound ratio found during World War II.

And the combined totals for illness, homicide, accident and suicide
trump troop casualty numbers, Pike said.

"Previously in a war, if you were wounded, you were in big trouble,"
Pike said. "And now if you're wounded, you're probably going to make
it."

But Johnson said it's important to look beyond the raw data.

"The thing that distresses me about it, is it's raw numbers. And while
that's interesting, it doesn't reflect percentages, which might be
more instructive," he said.

Michael Moore making '9/11' sequel

http://www.variety.com/VR1117985577.html

Sequel will pick up where "Fahrenheit" left off.

In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted,

while the Iraq war continues and the economy falters.

MNMikew wrote:
........[Michael Moore] Is still a stupid fat white person.

May (or may not) be true about Moore. But then the new movie's not about
-Moore-, now is it?

Per the OP:

In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted,

True

while the Iraq war continues

True

and the economy falters.

True

All still true whether MM is fat or thin...and certainly topics worthy
of debate to all in this country.

On May 13, 4:05*pm, junius wrote:
On May 13, 5:07*pm, RHF wrote:



HELLO - Drifter :
Tex Started It :
BarnegaDX Modified It :
Now I am Replying To It :
It Being Off-Topic and Politics
and 60 posts later most of the usual suspects
contributed to it - - - truth be told ~ RHF
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello RHF,

Well, as you know, I'm certainly not one of the usual suspects on this
sort of thread. In fact, my track record is pretty consistent in
avoiding participation in these asinine political threads. *However,
when someone posts something as outrageously idiotic as the following,
something should be said:

On May 10, 9:51 pm, RHF wrote:
Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.
- 1993 * *Bill Clinton * *1,213
- 1994 * *Bill Clinton * *1,075
- 1995 * *Bill Clinton * *1,040
- 1996 * *Bill Clinton * *974
- 1997 * *Bill Clinton * *817
- 1998 * *Bill Clinton * *827
- 1999 * *Bill Clinton * *796
- 2000 * *Bill Clinton * *758
Total : 7,500

Your suggestion that we lost 7,500 troops between Bosnia, Kosovo and
Somalia is not only a display of your inability and/or unwillingness
to understand the fatality statistics; but the rubbish posting is of
such a fallacious nature that it is nothing less than an insult to
those serving in the US Armed Forces. We don't suffer those types of
casualties in these types of smaller-scale deployments. You should
know that. Take the time to better understand the US military, what it
does, and how it goes about executing its missions around the world.
To begin with, try understanding these death statistics in terms other
than your unthinking black-and-white Dems-vs-Reps paradigm.

Good luck, my friend.

Junius - Numbers from Your Own Post :
(OT) : Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...83528788fb0428

Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call
the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.

Clinton's Killer Peace
Year - - Accident - Hostile Action - Terrorism
1992 676 0 1
1993 632 0 29
1994 544 0 0
1995 538 0 7
1996 527 1 19
1997 433 0 0
1998 445 0 3
1999 436 0 0
2000 398 0 17

America Is At War and That War is the Global War on
Terrorism as a Result of the September 11 2001 Attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
Fighting the Islam-O-Facist in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/afghanistan/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/

America's War on Terrorism :
[ During The Bush Presidency ]
Year - - Accident - Hostile Action - Terrorism
2001 437 3 55
2002 547 18 0
2003 440 344 0
2004 604 739 0
2005 632 739 0
2006 465 753 0

America Remember 9/11 Never Forget !
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20070911.html

god {allah} be with america's men and women in uniform
fighting to keep us safe and free - amen ~ RHF

"RHF" wrote

Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call
the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.

As an aside...
I was stationed at US Army Headquarters in Long Binh, Vietnam.
May 1968 - May 1969
I worked in the Casualty Reporting section.
Richard Nixon was inaugurated in Jan. 1969.
In February 1969 we got a directive from the Defense Department
saying we were no longer to count booby trap injuries or deaths
as injured or killed in combat.
The numbers of combat injuries/deaths appeared to drop dramatically
to the US public who got the numbers via government information
provided to news outlets and networks.
Democrat/Republican doesn't matter, a politician is a politician.

On May 14, 2:05*am, "Sanjaya" wrote:
"RHF" wrote

Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call
the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.

As an aside...
I was stationed at US Army Headquarters in Long Binh, Vietnam.
May 1968 - May 1969
I worked in the Casualty Reporting section.
Richard Nixon was inaugurated in Jan. 1969.
In February 1969 we got a directive from the Defense Department
saying we were no longer to count booby trap injuries or deaths
as injured or killed in combat.
The numbers of combat injuries/deaths appeared to drop dramatically
to the US public who got the numbers via government information
provided to news outlets and networks.

- Democrat/Republican doesn't matter, a politician is a politician.

McCain = Clinton = Obama - poli wogs all ~ RHF