Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...8/squared.html


Greed is going to kill us all...and where are all those certification
organizations we all pay good money to?



mike

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

"m II" wrote in message news:tWy%j.420$cV.116@edtnps92...
Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...8/squared.html


Greed is going to kill us all...and where are all those certification
organizations we all pay good money to?



mike

They are into the pockets of big business. So much for consumer safety.
Thats what you get when clowns like DxDouche vote for Republicans and Jorge
Boosh.

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

On May 29, 7:18*am, m II wrote:
Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...8/squared.html

Greed is going to kill us all...and where are all those certification
organizations we all pay good money to?

mike

D'Oh !

Mike you yourself used the word 'Counterfeit' in the subject-line.
No amount of Accurate Testing and Legal Certification can
prevent illegally 'counterfeited' products from being placed within
the Market-Place disguised as a Legal Product.

-ps- where they made in canada or imported through
canada via nafta into the usa . . . ~ RHF

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

On May 29, 9:18 am, m II wrote:
Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

Statement of Professor Daniel C.K. Chow

COUNTERFEITING IN CHINA
I. Introduction

In terms of size, scope, and magnitude, counterfeiting in China is
considered by many to the most serious counterfeiting problem in world
history. (As used here, counterfeiting refers to the unauthorized use
of trademarks owned by another on identical or similar goods.) A
recent study by the PRC State Council Research and Development Center
reported that in 2001 the PRC economy was flooded with between $19-$24
billion worth of counterfeit goods. Brand owners in China estimate
that 15 to 20% of all well-known brands in China are counterfeit and
estimate their losses to be in the tens of billions of dollars.
Counterfeiting is estimated to now account for approximately 8% of
China’s gross domestic product.

China is also a leading exporter of counterfeit products to other
countries in Asia, Europe, and the United States. In 2003, China
accounted for 66% or over $62 million of the $94 million of all
counterfeit and infringing goods seized by the US Customs Service at
ports of entry into the United States. Mid-year figures in 2004
indicate that seizures are sharply higher with $64 million seized in
the first half of 2004 alone. An ominous development is that beginning
in 2004, exports of counterfeits from China to the United States and
other parts of the world may begin to increase significantly for the
foreseeable future.

statement continued at http://www.cecc.gov/pages/roundtables/051605/Chow.php

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On May 29, 7:18 am, m II wrote:
Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...8/squared.html

Greed is going to kill us all...and where are all those certification
organizations we all pay good money to?

mike

D'Oh !

Mike you yourself used the word 'Counterfeit' in the subject-line.
No amount of Accurate Testing and Legal Certification can
prevent illegally 'counterfeited' products from being placed within
the Market-Place disguised as a Legal Product.

-ps- where they made in canada or imported through
canada via nafta into the usa . . . ~ RHF

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

Anyway, I do remember seeing Nixon standing on top of the great wall of
China.Nothing too much wrong with my memory.
cuhulin

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

On May 29, 10:18*am, m II wrote:
Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...8/squared.html

Greed is going to kill us all...and where are all those certification
organizations we all pay good money to?

mike

How would a certification organization prevent counterfeit circuit
breakers from being imported and sold by some sleaze-bag business.

You seem to be wrongly focused on some undefined "They" being the
cause and solution to the problem. WE are as much a part of the
counterfeit problem because WE create the demand for those products by
focusing on the lowest possible price. Many of us will jump at
products like circuit breakers marked Square D at impossibly low
prices (that's greed). And we are surprised that the Square D circuit
breaker is a dangerous fake, that the counterfeit Crest toothpaste has
antifreeze, or that the childs toy was assembled using cheap
components including lead paint.

When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

Radioguy wrote:

When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
Somehow, I don't think the counterfeiters were selling them out of the
trunks of their cars.

The greed may well have been at a much higher level, such as store
purchasing management. It's hard to move so many pieces of merchandise
without a proper sales venue.




mike

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

m II wrote:

Radioguy wrote:

When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.

I was just wondering the same thing. Do the purchasing folks check things out?
Or, are the fakes pretty good and it takes some tech folks to go over every damn
item?

Kickbacks to the purchasing folks?

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

On May 30, 10:32*am, m II wrote:
Radioguy wrote:
When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
Somehow, I don't think the counterfeiters were selling them out of the
trunks of their cars.

The greed may well have been at a much higher level, such as store
purchasing management. It's hard to move so many pieces of merchandise
without a proper sales venue.

mike

Look at the stores selling most of the knockoff stuff. It isn't Home
Depot or your local hardware store selling faked Square D circuit
breakers. It's some no-name website. Same thing with the bad
toothpaste.

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning-
 

On May 29, 6:01*pm, Tex wrote:
On May 29, 9:18 am, m II wrote:

Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

*Statement of Professor Daniel C.K. Chow

COUNTERFEITING IN CHINA
I. Introduction

In terms of size, scope, and magnitude, counterfeiting in China is
considered by many to the most serious counterfeiting problem in world
history. (As used here, counterfeiting refers to the unauthorized use
of trademarks owned by another on identical or similar goods.) A
recent study by the PRC State Council Research and Development Center
reported that in 2001 the PRC economy was flooded with between $19-$24
billion worth of counterfeit goods. Brand owners in China estimate
that 15 to 20% of all well-known brands in China are counterfeit and
estimate their losses to be in the tens of billions of dollars.
Counterfeiting is estimated to now account for approximately 8% of
China’s gross domestic product.

China is also a leading exporter of counterfeit products to other
countries in Asia, Europe, and the United States. In 2003, China
accounted for 66% or over $62 million of the $94 million of all
counterfeit and infringing goods seized by the US Customs Service at
ports of entry into the United States. Mid-year figures in 2004
indicate that seizures are sharply higher with $64 million seized in
the first half of 2004 alone. An ominous development is that beginning
in 2004, exports of counterfeits from China to the United States and
other parts of the world may begin to increase significantly for the
foreseeable future.

statement continued at
http://www.cecc.gov/pages/roundtables/051605/Chow.php

Some might call it China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©

Recently had an 'issue with one of those Magic Bullet Blender
that we bought about two years ago on Amazon.Com.

We call the 800# and once the Manufacture got the Model
Number and some other 'info' off the Power-Head Motor :
We were told that it was a Counterfeit Item most likely
'made-in-china' that was mainly made of a poorer quality
and thinner plastic.
-fwiw- One of the Plastic Top-Containers had broken pieces
of plastic after several uses.

China needs to get it's act together and stop the China-Crap©
-aka- China-Feit© Products

Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke
-meaning- Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning-
 

On May 30, 11:45*am, RHF wrote:
On May 29, 6:01*pm, Tex wrote:





On May 29, 9:18 am, m II wrote:

Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

*Statement of Professor Daniel C.K. Chow

COUNTERFEITING IN CHINA
I. Introduction

In terms of size, scope, and magnitude, counterfeiting in China is
considered by many to the most serious counterfeiting problem in world
history. (As used here, counterfeiting refers to the unauthorized use
of trademarks owned by another on identical or similar goods.) A
recent study by the PRC State Council Research and Development Center
reported that in 2001 the PRC economy was flooded with between $19-$24
billion worth of counterfeit goods. Brand owners in China estimate
that 15 to 20% of all well-known brands in China are counterfeit and
estimate their losses to be in the tens of billions of dollars.
Counterfeiting is estimated to now account for approximately 8% of
China’s gross domestic product.

China is also a leading exporter of counterfeit products to other
countries in Asia, Europe, and the United States. In 2003, China
accounted for 66% or over $62 million of the $94 million of all
counterfeit and infringing goods seized by the US Customs Service at
ports of entry into the United States. Mid-year figures in 2004
indicate that seizures are sharply higher with $64 million seized in
the first half of 2004 alone. An ominous development is that beginning
in 2004, exports of counterfeits from China to the United States and
other parts of the world may begin to increase significantly for the
foreseeable future.

statement continued at
http://www.cecc.gov/pages/roundtables/051605/Chow.php

Some might call it China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©

Recently had an 'issue with one of those Magic Bullet Blender
that we bought about two years ago on Amazon.Com.

We call the 800# and once the Manufacture got the Model
Number and some other 'info' off the Power-Head Motor :
We were told that it was a Counterfeit Item most likely
'made-in-china' that was mainly made of a poorer quality
and thinner plastic.
-fwiw- One of the Plastic Top-Containers had broken pieces
of plastic after several uses.

China needs to get it's act together and stop the China-Crap©
-aka- China-Feit© Products

Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke
-meaning- *Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Isn't that one of those kit blenders - 70 pieces of stuff for
$50.00 ? Next time just buy a good brand name blender.

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning-
 

On May 30, 7:32*am, m II wrote:
Radioguy wrote:
When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
Somehow, I don't think the counterfeiters were selling them out of the
trunks of their cars.

The greed may well have been at a much higher level, such as store
purchasing management. It's hard to move so many pieces of merchandise
without a proper sales venue.

mike

Mike - D'Oh !

The same people who have the money to produce so-called
China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©

Also have the Money to 'produce' Counterfeit Documents
to 'pass-them-off' as the Real Thing.

The Aircraft Industry has an on-going problem with very well
Documented Counterfeit Aircraft Parts; much of which sells
for only 10%~15% below the OEM Parts. Or Scrap Parts
that are Cleaned-Up and Sold as New or Re-Manufactured.

Look at the Brand Name Stuff like CDs, DVDs and Clothing
all with their special Tags and Lazer Decals that are often
more Bogas Goods.

The Phony Document Business is a Big Business itself.

Many of the China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©
are made in the same factorys as the real deal but are
knock-offs; production-over-runs; or rejected products;
that are distributed and sold through third parties.

Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke
-meaning- Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !

~ RHF

Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China :Danger It Kills !
 

On May 30, 7:35*am, dxAce wrote:
m II wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.

I was just wondering the same thing. Do the purchasing folks check things out?
Or, are the fakes pretty good and it takes some tech folks to go over every damn
item?

Kickbacks to the purchasing folks?

Provide a few legal samples and the rest is Counterfeit
China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©

Look at the Brand Name Stuff like CDs, DVDs and Clothing
all with their special Tags and Lazer Decals that are often
more Bogas Goods.

The Phony Document Business is a Big Business itself.

Many of the China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©
are made in the same factorys as the real deal but are
knock-offs; production-over-runs; or rejected products;
that are distributed and sold through third parties.

Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke
-meaning- Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !

~ RHF

Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning-Made-in-Ch...
 

There is NO difference between democrats and republicans anymore.Not one
Pennys worth of difference.
cuhulin

(OT) : Point-of-Fact - Richard M Nixon Resigned in Disgrace
 

On May 30, 1:47*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
wrote:
I remember when Nixon (a democrap) was standing on the great wall of
China, I remember seeing that it on tv news wayyyy back when.Nixon
opened up China to America.
cuhulin

- Republican.

Nixon was a Moderate Progressive Republican who
supported Business with Conservative Fiscal Policy
RMN favored Balanced Budgets and Moderate Tax
Levels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt
* Nixonian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixonian
* Rockefeller Republicans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Republican
* Today Nixon would most likely be considered a
"Republican In Name Only" -aka- RINO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only
- Won in 1968 against Hubert H. Humphrey

Anti-LBJ Vote.
+ The George Wallace Factor and having a 3RD Party
to splite-the-vote American Independent Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ection%2C_1968

- Won in 1972 against George McGovern

anti-Anti-War Vote and the fact that McGovern became known
as the candidate of : Amnesty, Aortion and Aid.
* Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick Incident
* George Wallace Shot {Assassination} and Paralyzed
* Ed Muskie and the Canuck Letter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ection%2C_1972

- Retired in shame in August 1974 during impeachment
- proceedings due to the Watergate breakin scandal.

BAD - D'Oh ! Retired ? - rotfl ~ RHF

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

m II wrote:

Radioguy wrote:

When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.

I was just wondering the same thing. Do the purchasing folks check
things out? Or, are the fakes pretty good and it takes some tech
folks to go over every damn item?

Kickbacks to the purchasing folks?

In my business suppliers are audited. People in my company actually go
the supplier and audit them. The purchasing people can then only buy
from companies on the approved buyer list. The suppliers that buy raw
materials from other suppliers are required to do the same. Through
these procedures an audit trail from where the metal ore is dug out of
the ground or plastic is manufactured to the finished product is
created. The materials that go into our product are audited, inspected
and tested as necessary to assure conformance to specifications.

If something managed to get through all the auditing, inspecting, and
testing the lots of materials are source documented with dates and
serial numbers so there is traceability and the product in the field can
be recalled and scraped or reworked.

My breaker/fuse box was manufactured by Colt's Patent Fire Arms Mfg. Co,
Hartford Conn!

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning-
 

On May 30, 9:05*am, Radioguy wrote:
On May 30, 11:45*am, RHF wrote:





On May 29, 6:01*pm, Tex wrote:

On May 29, 9:18 am, m II wrote:

Now, I wonder where THESE came from.

*Statement of Professor Daniel C.K. Chow

COUNTERFEITING IN CHINA
I. Introduction

In terms of size, scope, and magnitude, counterfeiting in China is
considered by many to the most serious counterfeiting problem in world
history. (As used here, counterfeiting refers to the unauthorized use
of trademarks owned by another on identical or similar goods.) A
recent study by the PRC State Council Research and Development Center
reported that in 2001 the PRC economy was flooded with between $19-$24
billion worth of counterfeit goods. Brand owners in China estimate
that 15 to 20% of all well-known brands in China are counterfeit and
estimate their losses to be in the tens of billions of dollars.
Counterfeiting is estimated to now account for approximately 8% of
China’s gross domestic product.

China is also a leading exporter of counterfeit products to other
countries in Asia, Europe, and the United States. In 2003, China
accounted for 66% or over $62 million of the $94 million of all
counterfeit and infringing goods seized by the US Customs Service at
ports of entry into the United States. Mid-year figures in 2004
indicate that seizures are sharply higher with $64 million seized in
the first half of 2004 alone. An ominous development is that beginning
in 2004, exports of counterfeits from China to the United States and
other parts of the world may begin to increase significantly for the
foreseeable future.

statement continued at
http://www.cecc.gov/pages/roundtables/051605/Chow.php

Some might call it China-Feit© Products -aka- China-Crap©

Recently had an 'issue with one of those Magic Bullet Blender
that we bought about two years ago on Amazon.Com.

We call the 800# and once the Manufacture got the Model
Number and some other 'info' off the Power-Head Motor :
We were told that it was a Counterfeit Item most likely
'made-in-china' that was mainly made of a poorer quality
and thinner plastic.
-fwiw- One of the Plastic Top-Containers had broken pieces
of plastic after several uses.

China needs to get it's act together and stop the China-Crap©
-aka- China-Feit© Products

Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke
-meaning- *Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Isn't that one of those kit blenders - 70 pieces of stuff for
$50.00 ? *Next time just buy a good brand name blender.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but... it's Magic ! ;-}

It is all magic to RHF the news group retard
 

In article
,
RHF the news group retard wrote:

SNIP

but... it's Magic ! ;-}

Since you don't understand much about anything it must be magic to you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

m II wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
Somehow, I don't think the counterfeiters were selling them out of the
trunks of their cars.

The greed may well have been at a much higher level, such as store
purchasing management. It's hard to move so many pieces of merchandise
without a proper sales venue.




mike

The Department of Defense uses counterfeit Cisco routers.

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

dxAce wrote:


My breaker/fuse box was manufactured by Colt's Patent Fire Arms Mfg. Co,
Hartford Conn!


Fuse box?

Counterfeit circuit breakers
 

On May 31, 6:12*am, Dave wrote:
m II wrote:
Radioguy wrote:

When prices are too good to be true they usually are.

I agree completely. I do wonder how the things got into the stores.
Somehow, I don't think the counterfeiters were selling them out of the
trunks of their cars.

The greed may well have been at a much higher level, such as store
purchasing management. It's hard to move so many pieces of merchandise
without a proper sales venue.

mike

- The Department of Defense uses counterfeit Cisco routers.

and you know this how . . .

It is all magic to RHF the news group retard
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article
,
RHF the news group retard wrote:

SNIP

but... it's Magic ! ;-}

Since you don't understand much about anything it must be magic to you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Thats what working in government civil service does to people

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China : Danger It Kills !
 

And....

"MADE IN USA"

is becoming a collectors item.

--
rj

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China
 

RJ wrote:
And....

"MADE IN USA"

is becoming a collectors item.



Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
and Mitsubishi.

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China
 

RJ wrote:
And....

"MADE IN USA"

is becoming a collectors item.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
and Mitsubishi.

Not quite right, DP. The products you mention above are mostly ASSEMBLED
in America. Typically, the higher tech, higher 'cost of assembly' items
(engines, trannies) are made in their home country.

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

* From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

sop: a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China
 

Billy Burpelson wrote:

RJ wrote:
And....

"MADE IN USA"

is becoming a collectors item.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
and Mitsubishi.

Not quite right, DP. The products you mention above are mostly ASSEMBLED
in America. Typically, the higher tech, higher 'cost of assembly' items
(engines, trannies) are made in their home country.

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

* From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

sop: a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture


So, the billions spent by Hyundai, alone, to build in
Tennessee...that's just a bribe. The millions in payroll...that's just a
bribe?

Nonsense.

The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and
the wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in
this country is just good, cost effective business.

They build here because it's less costly to build here.

In the case of the Germans, because they can actually build for far
less than they can in their own country. And without as many rules and
restrictions on employment. Again, less cost. Consistent quality.

As for the parts source...imported parts for products built on
American soil is nothing new. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been importing
components for decades. And they're not alone. There are more Japanese
parts on a Harley-Davidson than there are on a GoldWing. There are
models of Honda automobiles that have never been built anywhere but
Ohio, and exported back to Japan for sale.

And don't be so quick to assume that all components come from
oversees. Hyundai does a huge amount of the machine work for it's
products in the US. So does Honda. Even Toyota outsources much of it's
component stock from the US.

Isuzu even has one of it's vehicles built by GM.

But if you're considering parts source....GT microphones are
assembled at a GT built and owned plant in China. The capsules and
components are however, hand made by GT right here in the US.


But the topic was "Made in the USA." And these companies DO build in
the USA.

"Made In The USA" is far from extinction.

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China
 

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

Actually, the domestic production is a result of import quotas, no?

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China
 

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.




Hyundai built the largest, state-of-the-art automotive plant in the
world...in Tennessee. You don't do that if you're not serious about
staying here. You don't do something on that scale as a mere sop to the
gullible....

Daimler built not one, but TWO plants here.

As for profits....well, take the case of the German AKG. It's owned
by Harman International. That's Dr. Sydney Harman. You know, of
Harman-Kardon. They also own Soundcraft, a british console manufacturer.
Studer, the Swiss audio manufacturer.

We've all heard of Becker? You know, like the in-dash AM/FM/Shortwave
Mexico receiver? That Becker....a Harman company.

As are more than a dozen US companies, including JBL, Crown, dbx, and
Lexicon.

All the profits, no matter where the products are made, are managed
through a US company, Harman international.

(OT) : Made-in-China is becoming more than a Joke -meaning- Made-in-China
 

D Peter Maus wrote:

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.




Hyundai built the largest, state-of-the-art automotive plant in the
world...in Tennessee. You don't do that if you're not serious about
staying here. You don't do something on that scale as a mere sop to the
gullible....

Daimler built not one, but TWO plants here.

As for profits....well, take the case of the German AKG. It's owned by
Harman International. That's Dr. Sydney Harman. You know, of
Harman-Kardon. They also own Soundcraft, a british console manufacturer.
Studer, the Swiss audio manufacturer.

We've all heard of Becker? You know, like the in-dash AM/FM/Shortwave
Mexico receiver? That Becker....a Harman company.

As are more than a dozen US companies, including JBL, Crown, dbx, and
Lexicon.

All the profits, no matter where the products are made, are managed
through a US company, Harman international.




Don't forget the Whammy pedal.

(OT) : Made-in-the-USA - Starts with American Energy Independence
 

On Jun 1, 7:05*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Billy Burpelson wrote:

RJ wrote:
And....

"MADE IN USA"

is becoming a collectors item.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
*and Mitsubishi.

Not quite right, DP. The products you mention above are mostly ASSEMBLED
in America. Typically, the higher tech, higher 'cost of assembly' items
(engines, trannies) are made in their home country.

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

* From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

sop: a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture

* *So, the billions spent by Hyundai, alone, to build in
Tennessee...that's just a bribe. The millions in payroll...that's just a
bribe?

* *Nonsense.

* *The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and
the wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in
this country is just good, cost effective business.

* *They build here because it's less costly to build here.

* *In the case of the Germans, because they can actually build for far
less than they can in their own country. And without as many rules and
restrictions on employment. Again, less cost. Consistent quality.

* *As for the parts source...imported parts for products built on
American soil is nothing new. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been importing
components for decades. And they're not alone. There are more Japanese
parts on a Harley-Davidson than there are on a GoldWing. There are
models of Honda automobiles that have never been built anywhere but
Ohio, and exported back to Japan for sale.

* *And don't be so quick to assume that all components come from
oversees. Hyundai does a huge amount of the machine work for it's
products in the US. So does Honda. Even Toyota outsources much of it's
component stock from the US.

* *Isuzu even has one of it's vehicles built by GM.

* *But if you're considering parts source....GT microphones are
assembled at a GT built and owned plant in China. The capsules and
components are however, hand made by GT right here in the US.

* *But the topic was "Made in the USA." And these companies DO build in
the USA.

* *"Made In The USA" is far from extinction.- Hide quoted text -

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DPM,

Many of those who cry for Made-in-the-USA and Jobs
for Americans are either 'silent' about or just plain Anti :
* Off-Shore Drilling in the USA
* Shale Oil Production in the USA
* New Cleaner American Oil Refineries
* All American 100% Natural Coal Powered
Clean Electrical Power Plants
RESULT - All of which would create Good Paying Blue
Collar Jobs and Businesses within the USA and They
Keep Our American Dollars circulating within the US
Economy creating even More Jobs for Americans.

Made-in-the-USA - Starts with American Energy Independence

yes - i said that ~ RHF

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On Jun 1, 7:08*am, Dave wrote:
Billy Burpelson wrote:

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

- Actually, the domestic production is a result of import quotas, no?

NO.

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On Jun 1, 7:33*am, Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

*Billy Burpelson wrote:

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

* Hyundai built the largest, state-of-the-art automotive plant in the
world...in Tennessee. You don't do that if you're not serious about
staying here. You don't do something on that scale as a mere sop to the
gullible....

* Daimler built not one, but TWO plants here.

* As for profits....well, take the case of the German AKG. It's owned by
Harman International. That's Dr. Sydney Harman. You know, of
Harman-Kardon. They also own Soundcraft, a british console manufacturer.
*Studer, the Swiss audio manufacturer.

* We've all heard of Becker? You know, like the in-dash AM/FM/Shortwave
Mexico receiver? That Becker....a Harman company.

* As are more than a dozen US companies, including JBL, Crown, dbx, and
Lexicon.

* All the profits, no matter where the products are made, are managed
through a US company, Harman international.

- Don't forget the Whammy pedal.

Digitech Whammy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whammy_pedal

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Digital Whammy,,, SLAP HILLARY! DOT COM

There is a Nissan factory at the I-55 Gluckstadt (there is a kraut name
for ya, ratchere in Mee see see pee pee eye) exit, about 20 sompin miles
North of doggy's couch.Toyota is building a new factory in or near Elvis
the Pelvis old home town, Tupelo. www.southerncorridor.com

Bowling Green, Sewing Machine!
Sidney Portier and Tony Curtis in the old The Dieant Ones old movie.
cuhulin

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In article , RJ wrote:
And....

"MADE IN USA"

is becoming a collectors item.

That is, if you can find one that isn't counterfeit.

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ooops, I had meant to type, www.southernautocorridor.com I think.
(South is always Best)

PACCAR wants their name on diesel engines for Kenworth and Peterbilt and
DAF 18 wheeler trucks, so PACCAR is building a new PACCAR diesel engine
factory right now in Columbus,Mississippi, the Home of Memorial Day.

I want me one of those little Air Cars that runs on compressed
airable.Communist Fascist Nazi U.S.fed govt will not allow them to be
sold in America though.
cuhulin
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Bowling Greennn,,, Sewing Machine!
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RJ wrote:

"MADE IN USA" is becoming a collectors item.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
and Mitsubishi.

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Not quite right, DP. The products you mention above are mostly
ASSEMBLED in America. Typically, the higher tech, higher 'cost of
assembly' items (engines, trannies) are made in their home country.

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

* From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

sop: a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture

D Peter Maus wrote:

So, the billions spent by Hyundai, alone, to build in
Tennessee...that's just a bribe. The millions in payroll...that's just a
bribe?

I would say more "gesture" -- at least that's how the first, early
plants started out, as gestures. And Hyundai is a special example --
trying to kick the Japanese butts and get a toe hold here.

The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and the
wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in this
country is just good, cost effective business.

They build here because it's less costly to build here.

HUH????

Do the *thousands* of businesses that have moved their manufacturing to
India/Haiti/Mexico/China do so because it's -less- costly here in the
USA? I don't think so. USA wages are ~ $15-$25/hour, usually with
benefits and environmental laws, while China/India are ~ $0.50- $1/hour
with -no- benefits and virtually no environmental laws...and you say
it's -less costly- to manufacture in the USA? Pardon me for not
believing that.

But the topic was "Made in the USA." And these companies DO build in
the USA.

But with the profits NOT going to the USA.

"Made In The USA" is far from extinction.

To shift away from the automotive world for a moment, consider Wal-Mart,
a 'general purpose' retailer, selling all kinds of merchandise,
everything from A to Z, a -broad- spectrum of consumer products. Even 2
or 3 years ago, it was widely acknowledged that 85 (that's
EIGHTY-FIVE!) percent of the merchandise on their shelves was "Made in
China", not the USA. Quite odd if it's less costly to build here, don't
you think?

While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.

"Made In The USA" may not be quite extinct, but it's fading very, very fast.

"Outsourcing is GOOD for this country" -- George W. Bush, addressing
the nation.

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Billy Burpelson wrote:




While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.


Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
ignore.


Address that, and we may have a discussion.


Have a good day, Billy.