Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

And you would be trapped.
"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Unknown" wrote in message
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Microsoft of course. If you don't mind losing your money, buy apple.

Don't own either. But if I did, would be Apple.

Think, if you bought Apple (AAPL) a year ago, it is up over 60%.

Think, if you bought Microsoft (MSFT) a year ago, it is down 10% of so.

Even looks like Red hat has turned around this year.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

Aren't YOU keeping up with technology. Did you buy a plasma or LCD TV set.
Are you going digital?
Crippled shareware indeed. I don't use virus programs either. I don't shell
out hundreds of bucks every 3 or 4 years. Your words not mine. If you do
that's your business. Media playthings?? Are you a child?
"Dave" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:
Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it. Who uses
Microsoft's OS? Everyone. Corporations and businesses alike.
Can't you get that through your head?

Corporations AND businesses? What's Google use? Are they neither?

Until you break free from the uptight and paranoid world of crippled
shareware and continuous virus scans; from having to shell out a hundred
bucks every 3 or 4 years for a new OS (then hundreds more for the
horsepower to run them); from having to pay hundreds of dollars extra for
compatible word processors and media playthings; you'll never understand.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

"Unknown" wrote in message
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Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it. Who uses
Microsoft's OS? Everyone. Corporations and businesses alike.
Can't you get that through your head?

You must be a newbie to the business. This is just history repeating
itself.

Times have changed before. Microsoft, unless it changes it's ways will be
the next Novell. BTW, Novell does sell Linux SUSE and would not doubt
NetWare, but is far behind RHT. In the desktop, I wouldn't doubt Ubuntu has
eclipsed SUSE.

Lets list some tech companies that have seen better days, or specifically
major chunck of their business activitied evaporated in market share
ownership, many which were heavy into workstations:

Digital
Compaq
Sperry/UNIVAC
Novell
NorTel
Bell Labs
BaaN
IBM (PC, mainframes and workstations, they evolved to services)
Amdahl
Wyse
Tandy/Radio Shack
Apple (as in II and IIe but recovering)
Commodore (PET, C64)
Data General
Motorola (MC6802 or MC6809 anyone?)
Zilog
Zerox/PARC
SCO (Yep)
(more that I have missed for sure)

Even Linux has road kill. Survival of the fitest.

Now I am not saying Microsoft is going out of business. I am saying it's
price elasticity is shot to hell, innovation has peeked, and market share in
the total market is shrinking. Linux chewing away at the bottom, and Apple
chewing away at the top represents a major problem to future business growth
of Microsoft. Market maturization, commoditization and saturation too.

With Vista, there is a market brand damage and the Microsoft can do no wrong
attitude is under more pressure than ever before. This is likley going to
accelerate.

I will predict Q3 and more so Q4 financial reports this year is not going to
be nice for MSFT as it has to spin a new marketing model to grow. Which is
what the purchase of Yahoo was all about. Bill and Steve know their market
predicament and MSFT futures or they would have made such an offer. MSNBC
is another. MSFT is a 2 trick pony, MS-Windows and MS-Office.

Both which can now be economically replaced with FLOSS.


"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Billy Smith" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Billy Smith wrote:

How do you explain this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Top500_OS.png

What it says to me is that your corporate and university level people
working with supercomputers are going to Linux versus Unix or in the
case of Microsoft they aren't going to use it. Thats doesn't mean that
Microsoft makes a bad product for the general consumer market. Linux
does have its use and one of its uses is that it tends to be rather fast
for an operating system. However, if you consider speed anything you
should use Linux. Yet when you use a wide variety of PC appplications,
you will find that they aren't usable in Linux format. You can partition
your drive to use both Microsoft based stuff and Linux or you can stick
with what you know.
For most people, they are not going to use Linux because A: There is no
need for using it and B: They don't have the capability to babysit Linux
based systems. The average computer science grad or expert in the
computer field very well might get some usage out of it. For most
people, they are content in using Microsoft Office or whatever works for
plug and play applications.

Theyr'e not going to waste their time formatting their hard drive to run
a program and system that while being faster doesn't have the applicable
uses that a Microsoft system has. The Microsoft systems have that
advantage because you can put in any XP or Vista or 98 based software of
which I have at least one in each operating system. You can put in any
program that is made for that system and use it. That cannot be said for
converting your system to Linux no matter how much faster it may be. Its
not really worth the time for most people

If you want to put Linux and make it customizable to your system that
works for those applications then go for it.. For the general computer
user that exists in the general public, then most people go for
Microsoft. They're not going to use Linux and I would venture than
Microsoft is much more recognizable than what Linux has been or probably
will ever be.

Linux is still at the infancy state of the computer realm. Its not going
to catch on all that much for the hundreds of millions of computer
users.

Thats why Mac will never be a viable competitor to Microsoft. They're
still stuck in the proprietary and infant stage. Just like the Iphone. I
would have actually been interested in getting an Iphone but when I have
to use ATT for service, they can forget it. I used to have Cingular and
it was a joke for phone service but also their customer service section
was incompetent at best. I can actually pay my bill through Verizon and
know what I actually owe. Nice concept isnt it.

Macs will never become more than fancy overpriced boxes for graphics
users, game players, etc. You never see that many Macs ever used for
servers, internet commerce, etc. Thats why you can go to the Apple store
here in Louisville and find out that a Mac will cost you 1500 to 2000
dollars when a basic Vista/XP computer will net you half those amounts.
When Apple learns to market their computers and systems correctly and
produce something worth really having, then they will take off. Until
then, they don't have a prayer competition wise.

If you mean is Linux finished growing up and fully mature? Heck no, it
has only begun. I suspect it will be evolving well past my lifetime.

Linux is vastly superior to Vista in most ways, you bet. I place it just
on the heals of XP right now but ahead of Vista. I will grant, XP is
quite mature, but stagnant. Where as Linux is still, and will always
perpetually evolve.

The Linux maturity is going to be evolutionary and not the dump
everything change now you see with Microsoft products. Where as
Microsoft has a grand-batch mentality. The later can't get continuous
improvement, can't evolve. Take Vista, is now in maintenance mode. Its
active development has ceased! Understand that. They all moved on to
Win 7 for the next disruption.

Mind you, Vista is a bad batch of soup, the best place is the garborator.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:38:01 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it.

I had no idea people wanted their systems to crash so often.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

"+Bob+" wrote in message
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Microsoft doesn't care about stability or the fact that each new OS
requires more and more HP to run effectively. Otherwise there would be
an SP4 and/or there would be official upgrade releases that added new
features. Instead, we get a bug ridden, driver lacking, software
incompatible, new OS every few years. Face it: they care only about
selling you a new OS.

Don't disagree with that at all. However that is the problem, neither home
consumers nor businesses want to rework their computer infrastructure every
3 years.

But, the problem for them is that there are really not that many new
features to add to an OS. Look at a comparison of 2000, to XP, to
Vista. What have they really added in terms of user features? VPN? I'm
at a loss to find anything else that's more than a refinement on the
user side. On the system side, they've simply gobbled more HP to
deliver the same set of user features (that's not a feature, it's a
major flaw).

Agree there. So between extra resources and additional DRM...we have Vista,
offers noting else.


I long for a return to the old days, when OS vendors built an
operating system then continually refined it in each release to make
it better. Wholesale replacement was not an option because customers
demanded stability and reduced life cycle costs. Over time, we ended
up with some incredibly stable, bug free, solid, dependable OS's. You
can't do that if you keep replacing your code wholesale.

Linux, the BSDs and Solaris do this. I have run Solaris 7 programs on
Solaris 10. Big departures can occur, like SunOS to Solaris but are decades
apart. Linux, is a series of incremental improvements. Continious
improvent taken seriously.

XP can compete with Linux and do well, but Vista....nada. Vista is like
the
Titanic after the water was leaking in. Vista drives people to Apple and
Linux. It will be slow at first, but will pick up as word spreads. See
Eee
PC sales....suppliers can't keep the Linux varieties in stock.

Not to worry. Windows 7 will fix everything! (Note sarcasm, see above,
note repeat cycle).

Been around too long to believe that Win7 will fix much. For everything it
solves, it will create new issues.

In fact, it is going to create a situation where you have 3 major OSes in
place for Microsoft alone. XP, Vista and Win 7. Not to mention variations
there in and of others like W2008. I anticipate MS-Windows 100 OS pickup.

(since XP was made)
(Assuming Win7/W2008 follows Vista/2003 fragmentation)

(5) Windows Server 2008 Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, Itanium, Web
(3) Windows Server 2008 (No Hyper-V) Standard, Enterprise, Enterprise
(4) Windows Server 2008 x64 Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, Web
(3) Windows Server 2008 x64 (No Hyper-V) Standard, Enterprise, Enterprise
(5) Windows Win7 OEM: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Basic, Enterprise
(5) Windows Win7 Full: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Basic, Enterprise
(4) Windows Win7 x64 OEM: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Enterprise
(4) Windows Win7 x64 Full: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Enterprise
(5) Windows Vista OEM: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Basic, Enterprise
(5) Windows Vista Full: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Basic, Enterprise
(4) Windows Vista x64 OEM: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Enterprise
(4) Windows Vista x64 Full: Ultimate, Business, Premium, Enterprise
(4) Windows Server 2003 Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, Web
(4) Windows Server 2003 x64: Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, Web
(2) Windows Server 2003 Itanium: Enterprise, Datacenter
(3) XP Home, Pro, MCE (2003 & 2005)
(6) XP OEM Home, Pro, Pro x64, MCE, Tablet, Mini (EeePC)
(10) CE (List is long, includes pocket PC, phone etc, this is conservative)

Did I miss any? Any not quite right?

70 not including CE, which makes at least 80+ different ways to buy
MS-Windows sold since XP was introduced.

I pity the poor MSCE that has to carry all those DVDs to a consulting gig.

No wonder the M$ salesperson can't remember pricing....as the above comes in
diffent different, business licensing and retail. And even then the support
variations.... Whew.

No wonder they can't fix Vista, engineering is buried in configuration
management issues.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

On Jun 1, 11:33*am, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Unknown" wrote in message

...

Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? *Microsoft's OS does it. Who uses
Microsoft's OS? *Everyone. Corporations and businesses alike.
Can't you get that through your head?

You must be a newbie to the business. *This is just history repeating
itself.

Times have changed before. *Microsoft, unless it changes it's ways will be
the next Novell. *BTW, Novell does sell Linux SUSE and would not doubt
NetWare, but is far behind RHT. *In the desktop, I wouldn't doubt Ubuntu has
eclipsed SUSE.

Lets list some tech companies that have seen better days, or specifically
major chunck of their business activitied evaporated in market share
ownership, many which were heavy into workstations:

Digital
Compaq
Sperry/UNIVAC
Novell
NorTel
Bell Labs
BaaN
IBM (PC, mainframes and workstations, they evolved to services)
Amdahl
Wyse
Tandy/Radio Shack
Apple (as in II and IIe but recovering)
Commodore (PET, C64)
Data General
Motorola (MC6802 or MC6809 anyone?)
Zilog
Zerox/PARC
SCO (Yep)
(more that I have missed for sure)

Even Linux has road kill. *Survival of the fitest.

Now I am not saying Microsoft is going out of business. *I am saying it's
price elasticity is shot to hell, innovation has peeked, and market share in
the total market is shrinking. *Linux chewing away at the bottom, and Apple
chewing away at the top represents a major problem to future business growth
of Microsoft. *Market maturization, commoditization and saturation too.

With Vista, there is a market brand damage and the Microsoft can do no wrong
attitude is under more pressure than ever before. *This is likley going to
accelerate.

I will predict Q3 and more so Q4 financial reports this year is not going to
be nice for MSFT as it has to spin a new marketing model to grow. *Which is
what the purchase of Yahoo was all about. *Bill and Steve know their market
predicament and MSFT futures or they would have made such an offer. *MSNBC
is another. *MSFT is a 2 trick pony, MS-Windows and MS-Office.

- Both which can now be economically replaced with FLOSS.

Free/Libre/Open Source Software [FLOSS]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS



"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Billy Smith" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Billy Smith wrote:

How do you explain this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Top500_OS.png

What it says to me is that your corporate and university level people
working with supercomputers *are going to Linux versus Unix or in the
case of Microsoft they aren't going to use it. Thats doesn't mean that
Microsoft makes a bad product for the general consumer market. Linux
does have its use and one of its uses is that it tends to be rather fast
for an operating system. However, if you consider speed anything you
should use Linux. Yet when you use a wide variety of PC appplications,
you will find that they aren't usable in Linux format. You can partition
your drive to use both Microsoft based stuff and Linux or you can stick
with what you know.
For most people, they are not going to use Linux because A: There is no
need for using it and B: They don't have the capability to babysit Linux
based systems. The average computer science grad or expert in the
computer field very well might get some usage out of it. For most
people, they are content in using Microsoft Office or whatever works for
plug and play applications.

Theyr'e not going to waste their time formatting their hard drive to run
a program and system that while being faster doesn't have the applicable
uses that a Microsoft system has. The Microsoft systems have that
advantage because you can put in any XP or Vista or 98 based software of
which I have at least one in each operating system. You can put in any
program that is made for that system and use it. That cannot be said for
converting your system to Linux no matter how much faster it may be. Its
not really worth the time for most people

If you want to put Linux and make it customizable to your system that
works for *those applications then go for it.. For the general computer
user that exists in the general public, then most people go for
Microsoft. They're not going to use Linux and I would venture than
Microsoft is much more recognizable than what Linux has been or probably
will ever be.

Linux is still at the infancy state of the computer realm. Its not going
to catch on all that much for the hundreds of millions of computer
users.

Thats why Mac will never be a viable competitor to Microsoft. They're
still stuck in the proprietary and infant stage. Just like the Iphone. I
would have actually been interested in getting an Iphone but when I have
to use ATT for service, they can forget it. I used to have Cingular and
it was a joke for phone service but also their customer service section
was incompetent at best. I can actually pay my bill through Verizon and
know what I actually owe. Nice concept isnt it.

Macs will never become more than fancy overpriced boxes for graphics
users, game players, etc. You never see that many Macs ever used for
servers, internet commerce, etc. Thats why you can go to the Apple store
here in Louisville and find out that a Mac will cost you 1500 to 2000
dollars when a basic Vista/XP computer will net you half those amounts..
When Apple learns to market their computers and systems correctly and
produce something worth really having, then they will take off. Until
then, they don't have a prayer competition wise.

If you mean is Linux finished growing up and fully mature? *Heck no, it
has only begun. *I suspect it will be evolving well past my lifetime.

Linux is vastly superior to Vista in most ways, you bet. *I place it just
on the heals of XP right now but ahead of Vista. *I will grant, XP is
quite mature, but stagnant. *Where as Linux is still, and will always
perpetually evolve.

The Linux maturity is going to be evolutionary and not the dump
everything change now you see with Microsoft products. *Where as
Microsoft has a grand-batch mentality. *The later can't get continuous
improvement, can't evolve. *Take Vista, is now in maintenance mode. *Its
active development has ceased! *Understand that. *They all moved on to
Win 7 for the next disruption.

Mind you, Vista is a bad batch of soup, the best place is the garborator.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:38:01 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it.

I had no idea people wanted their systems to crash so often.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:21:06 -0400, "Billy Smith"
wrote:

You are talking to Adam Not So Bright. Its amusing these guys keep
complaining about crashes but Ive had XP for about 6 years and no crashes,
Vista about a year and no crashes. Nice.

Did I miss some "logic" in that silly comment? No, just another patsy
that doesn't have a clue. Let me explain the facts of life to the
armatures here one more time in simple terms maybe they can
understand.

How often one might expect to see Windows "crash" is proportional to
what you use your computer for. An analogy would be you wouldn't
expect your car to have a major mechanical breakdown if all you did
was drive it up and down your driveway once a week. However if you're
trying to tow a two ton boat and trailer up a steep hill for miles
every weekend then something breaking down is far more likely to
happen.

It is obvious from reading many of the posts here that a lot of people
merely "play" with their computer. That's like driving that car back
and forth on your driveway. Of course just surfing the web, reading
email, maybe writing some short document or crunching some numbers in
a spreadsheet isn't stressful to your computer or Windows so expecting
it to see crashes under those circumstances would be silly and yes if
that's all I did I wouldn't expect Windows to crash for years either.

On the other hand some of us actually WORK with our computers
stressing it to the limit like that car straining to pull that boat
and trailer up a steep hill for mile after mile. The chances of
Windows crashing when it is running under heavy load increases the
likelihood something will hang, stop working or the system just
getting sluggish.


Using the logic of running a severe strain on your computer resources, it
might be prudent to actually invest in a system with the proper tools to
complete the job. Instead of running a GB of Ram maybe its time to expand.
Same goes for processors, hard drives and having a backup external hard
drive in case something major fails.

Consider that a good backup drive from Western Digital costs maybe 100-200
USD and that would protect you from system crashes should they occur. The
average computer these days is very capable though. You're not running a
Windows 3.1 system or Windows 95 with 128 mb of RAM. Those were quite
different days at that time frame.

What is quite interesting to me is that often I have Windows Media player
working at the same time as doing QuickBooks, website development, and
working on business projects at the same time. Not to mention a multitiude
of other pop up things like Weatherbug, etc. I've never had the issue with
doing anything with graphics and pictures on here and having any issues.

For us so called amateurs as you call us, incorrectly spelled I must add, we
tend to know what works and what doesn't work. Its not rocket science for
the unwashed masses that you claim us to be.

What I have noticed over the vast many years I have been working with
computers is that out of the box systems tend to be clunky in ways. Either
not enough of a processor to do the job or not enough RAM to keep up with
the system. Hard Drives generally do what you need unless you need the
external for backup and in business and personal record keeping, that is
exactly what you must have just in case your drive fails.

My personal experience is that a lot of new systems are made new without
enough RAM which explains a lot of why your computer locks up. It has very
little to do with your operating system. Add a 100 buck piece of RAM and
you'll find that your computers operating efficiency will be better, your
program load times improved, and you will have less in the way of your
operating system hanging up.

Also, it might be prudent to use some good quality software from a
recognized vendor. The usual cheap way of doing things is not the best way
no matter how much you may save. I'm not suggesting that throwing money at a
problem is the end all. What I am suggesting for the people that bitch and
moan about their systems, is that doing things the right way will keep your
system operating smoothly. With that said, purchase a quality system with
the proper components that you need for the system. Buy a good processor,
good amount of RAM and good software. Add an external drive for backup and
do the job right the first time. Theres nothing like doing a job right the
first time and that saves you one a lot of headache and two a lot of time
and money figuring out what goes wrong later. You say that you can't afford
to do it right, then maybe you should examine what you have been doing and
figure out a way to operate your system with a minimum of headaches.

It isn't always the system that is at fault. In fact, with the new patches
coming up over time the operating systems generally improve. This isn't
precision parts manufacturing for the military jet fighter brigade. If
you're looking for that in mass production of anything, you better keep
looking and expect to pay out the cash to get something that performs
flawlessly.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

On Jun 1, 7:04*pm, Adam Albright wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:21:06 -0400, "Billy Smith"

wrote:
You are talking to Adam Not So Bright. Its amusing these guys keep
complaining about crashes but Ive had XP for about 6 years and no crashes,
Vista about a year and no crashes. Nice.

Did I miss some "logic" in that silly comment? No, just another patsy
that doesn't have a clue. Let me explain the facts of life to the
armatures here one more time in simple terms maybe they can
understand.

How often one might expect to see Windows "crash" is proportional to
what you use your computer for. An analogy would be you wouldn't
expect your car to have a major mechanical breakdown if all you did
was drive it up and down your driveway once a week. However if you're
trying to tow a two ton boat and trailer up a steep hill for miles
every weekend then something breaking down is far more likely to
happen.

It is obvious from reading many of the posts here that a lot of people
merely "play" with their computer. That's like driving that car back
and forth on your driveway. Of course just surfing the web, reading
email, maybe writing some short document or crunching some numbers in
a spreadsheet isn't stressful to your computer or Windows so expecting
it to see crashes under those circumstances would be silly and yes if
that's all I did I wouldn't expect Windows to crash for years either.

On the other hand some of us actually WORK with our computers
stressing it to the limit like that car straining to pull that boat
and trailer up a steep hill for mile after mile. The chances of
Windows crashing when it is running under heavy load increases the
likelihood something will hang, stop working or the system just
getting sluggish. *

? armatures ?
Arm ~ Arm-Chair {Too Relaxed and Set-Thier-Ways}
Matures ~ Getting Old {and Getting Lazy}

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:31:40 -0400, "Billy Smith"
wrote:

Using the logic of running a severe strain on your computer resources, it
might be prudent to actually invest in a system with the proper tools to
complete the job. Instead of running a GB of Ram maybe its time to expand.
Same goes for processors, hard drives and having a backup external hard
drive in case something major fails.

There you go again, jumping to conclusions. I built, not bought a top
of the line high performance system. I have not one but five external
drives ranging in size from 500 GB to 1 TB. Another TB inside the box.
I have a screaming fast video card loaded with it's own high speed
RAM, ultra fast high performance 2 GB of memory. Yep, a Intel Dual
core processor too.

What is quite interesting to me is that often I have Windows Media player
working at the same time as doing QuickBooks, website development, and
working on business projects at the same time. Not to mention a multitiude
of other pop up things like Weatherbug, etc. I've never had the issue with
doing anything with graphics and pictures on here and having any issues.

The fatal mistake you make is just because you don't see problems
others can't/don't. What seems to be the long standing mantra of
Microsoft fans is the foolish assumption if they don't have issues the
other guy must not know what he's doing if he does have problems.

Hell, that's Frank's theme song. I beg to differ. The chorus I hear
constantly is it ain't Windows fault. Again I beg to differ. Over the
years I've seen every version of Windows do the dumbest, most stupid
things imaginable. Sometimes with NOTHING but the OS installed, yet I
have to put up with morons like the idiot Frank that won't accept
there's a damn thing wrong with Vista and wouldn't believe it if Bill
Gates and Steve Ballmer whispered in his ears there is at the same
time.

For us so called amateurs as you call us, incorrectly spelled I must add, we
tend to know what works and what doesn't work. Its not rocket science for
the unwashed masses that you claim us to be.

You tend to jump to conclusions as you are now. Everything you assumed
about me is incorrect. Am I an "expert" on Windows? Well you tell me.
I've used every version going all the way back spanning over twenty
years. I can measure the time I've used Windows in the tens of
thousands of hours. I have yet to encounter a Windows problem I
couldn't fix, on my own, without ever once needing to reinstall the
OS. Can you say as much? Can anyone here?

What I have noticed over the vast many years I have been working with
computers is that out of the box systems tend to be clunky in ways.

Which is why I've built my own from the ground up for at least the
past 15 years.

Also, it might be prudent to use some good quality software from a
recognized vendor.

Like Sony, Adobe, etc.?

The usual cheap way of doing things is not the best way
no matter how much you may save. I'm not suggesting that throwing money at a
problem is the end all. What I am suggesting for the people that bitch and
moan about their systems, is that doing things the right way will keep your
system operating smoothly.

Duh... you mean like I've done for twenty years plus?

With that said, purchase a quality system with
the proper components that you need for the system. Buy a good processor,
good amount of RAM and good software. Add an external drive for backup and
do the job right the first time. Theres nothing like doing a job right the
first time and that saves you one a lot of headache and two a lot of time
and money figuring out what goes wrong later. You say that you can't afford
to do it right, then maybe you should examine what you have been doing and
figure out a way to operate your system with a minimum of headaches.

It isn't always the system that is at fault. In fact, with the new patches
coming up over time the operating systems generally improve. This isn't
precision parts manufacturing for the military jet fighter brigade. If
you're looking for that in mass production of anything, you better keep
looking and expect to pay out the cash to get something that performs
flawlessly.

Windows is INCAPABLE of performing flawlessly. That is what fanboys
can never get in their heads. Need proof? Just browse Microsoft's own
Knowledgebase. You'll see how screwed up Windows is and always has
been.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

In article 3sA0k.80$ze2.10@pd7urf1no,
"Canuck57" wrote:

SNIP

Here is a clue, how about dropping RRS from the distribution where this
is off topic?

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In article
,
RHF wrote:

SNIP

Drop RRS from the newsgroup distribution please.

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In article ,
Adam Albright wrote:

SNIP

Off topic for RRS. Please drop it from the newsgroup header.

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Have you tried turning either machine on?



Billy Smith wrote:
You are talking to Adam Not So Bright. Its amusing these guys keep
complaining about crashes but Ive had XP for about 6 years and no
crashes, Vista about a year and no crashes. Nice.

"Unknown" wrote in message
...
Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:38:01 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it.

I had no idea people wanted their systems to crash so often.

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Unknown wrote:
Aren't YOU keeping up with technology. Did you buy a plasma or LCD TV set.
Are you going digital?
Crippled shareware indeed. I don't use virus programs either. I don't shell
out hundreds of bucks every 3 or 4 years. Your words not mine. If you do
that's your business. Media playthings?? Are you a child?

I have always been ahead of technology, not "keeping up". And yes, when
it comes to making music, I am a child.

Microsoft has nothing going for it other than the DirectX graphics
library and strong-arm deals with mass-marketers of inferior hardware.

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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:40:23 -0700, dave wrote:


In broadcasting we don't tolerate crashes and freezing, because it tends
to annoy the audience. On the front lines, computers are very
mission-critical.

Talk about annoying the audience, a somewhat new trend in live local
TV news broadcasts in Chicago and I'll assume elsewhere the last few
years is to have a long shot showing the anchors in the foreground
while passerby on the street are shown since it now seems to be the
"in" thing to have a showcase studio at street level. Invariably some
yahoo stares or just has to wave or jump or down or do something dumb,
which in my options totally destroys the anchor's creditability making
the news, suppose to be a serious show, look more like a circus.

Even dumber is the director of CNBC's popular "Fast Money" show that
features motor mouth anchor Dyland Ratigan and four "experts" giving
stock tips each trying to out talk each other. While I find the banter
often interesting, the director constantly makes fast cuts to show one
of the experts not talking while you still hear the one that is. This
probably was a accident originally, but now it seems to be a "feature"
of the show with whoever the director switches to as soon as they're
aware the camera is on them they ham it up, like smirk or roll their
eyes or do something else silly while the other guy is still heard
talking. I don't get it.

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:41:08 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

That's the indication you have tunnel vision and do not understand the real
problem. It (your tunnel vision) can be caused by
your very negative attitude.

Negative attitude?

Since when is the truth negative?

Call me odd if you want, I'm kind of funny in that I expect something
I've paid for to work as advertised.

The real problem is Microsoft has a 20+ year history of releasing
Windows with KNOWN bugs. I guess a dope like you thinks that's cool.
You certainly seem to excuse it at least. How come? Please don't
insult me with the typical all software has bugs bull****.

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:45:47 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?

Sure, poor design, bugs and sloppy, bloated untested code.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

Unknown wrote:


Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?

I shouldn't have to.

That's more stupid than the first.


(top posting fixed to ensure clarity)


Why should he HAVE to worry about what causes crashes? Any properly
running appliances, such a refrigerators, alarm clocks, etc., cause no
worry OR a need for detective work.

You plug them in and they do their job.





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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:46:23 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

O.K. You built it and it keeps crashing. That describes you.

I built the system. Microsoft built the operating system. That is what
crashes and has so many security holes in it. Funny thing, I'm not
alone. Check it out:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...Vista+problems

I guess the "WOW" Microsoft use to use to describe Vista must be they
knew Google would find millions of people having problems.

Since you asked, consider this one:

http://security.itproportal.com/arti...rns-microsoft/

It seems Apple's popular browser Safari is a security risk on the
Windows platform and Microsoft just made an official request for
Windows users to stay away from it and not use it.

Oh this is indeed interesting. If you're a true blue Microsoft fan
you're trusting Microsoft crap like Defender and UAC to PROTECT you.

Well not so fast. This issue and THREAT is due to how Windows in both
XP and Vista handles executable files on the desktop, the most logical
place you would have a link to a browser.

Oh you remember, the very things Microsoft claims it wants to protect
you from with Defender and UAC. Guess those things don't work too
well. Surprise!

Honest, you Microsoft apologists make be laugh so hard my ribs hurt.

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:49:05 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

That's more stupid than the first.

This newsgroup is overflowing with stupid comments. Many of them seem
to be coming from guys like you that can't stand to see anyone being
critical of Vista. Sorry to inform you it sounds like you have been
inflicted with the same fatal disease the resident troll Frank has
where the person just rants and screams and keeps making excuses for
Microsoft releasing crap.

"dave" wrote in message
.. .
Unknown wrote:
Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?

I shouldn't have to.

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You make it perfectly obvious you know nothing about programming, the
business of it, or the testing of the product.
What for example would be your test standards?
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:41:08 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

That's the indication you have tunnel vision and do not understand the
real
problem. It (your tunnel vision) can be caused by
your very negative attitude.

Negative attitude?

Since when is the truth negative?

Call me odd if you want, I'm kind of funny in that I expect something
I've paid for to work as advertised.

The real problem is Microsoft has a 20+ year history of releasing
Windows with KNOWN bugs. I guess a dope like you thinks that's cool.
You certainly seem to excuse it at least. How come? Please don't
insult me with the typical all software has bugs bull****.

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:45:47 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?

Sure, poor design, bugs and sloppy, bloated untested code.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

With approximately 180 million computers running Windows XP and you have a
problem, does that tell you anything?
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:46:23 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

O.K. You built it and it keeps crashing. That describes you.

I built the system. Microsoft built the operating system. That is what
crashes and has so many security holes in it. Funny thing, I'm not
alone. Check it out:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...Vista+problems

I guess the "WOW" Microsoft use to use to describe Vista must be they
knew Google would find millions of people having problems.

Since you asked, consider this one:

http://security.itproportal.com/arti...rns-microsoft/

It seems Apple's popular browser Safari is a security risk on the
Windows platform and Microsoft just made an official request for
Windows users to stay away from it and not use it.

Oh this is indeed interesting. If you're a true blue Microsoft fan
you're trusting Microsoft crap like Defender and UAC to PROTECT you.

Well not so fast. This issue and THREAT is due to how Windows in both
XP and Vista handles executable files on the desktop, the most logical
place you would have a link to a browser.

Oh you remember, the very things Microsoft claims it wants to protect
you from with Defender and UAC. Guess those things don't work too
well. Surprise!

Honest, you Microsoft apologists make be laugh so hard my ribs hurt.

Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
 

Now YOU have a narrow mind. Do you constantly add new programs to an
appliance?
Do you infect them with the likes of Norton, Symantec or registry cleaners?
Wake up and compare apples to apples.
"m II" wrote in message news:9oT0k.496$7B3.76@edtnps91...
Unknown wrote:


Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?

I shouldn't have to.

That's more stupid than the first.


(top posting fixed to ensure clarity)


Why should he HAVE to worry about what causes crashes? Any properly
running appliances, such a refrigerators, alarm clocks, etc., cause no
worry OR a need for detective work.

You plug them in and they do their job.





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Holy Cow-----Do you ever read your posts and criticize them? You should
talk.
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:49:05 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

That's more stupid than the first.

This newsgroup is overflowing with stupid comments. Many of them seem
to be coming from guys like you that can't stand to see anyone being
critical of Vista. Sorry to inform you it sounds like you have been
inflicted with the same fatal disease the resident troll Frank has
where the person just rants and screams and keeps making excuses for
Microsoft releasing crap.

"dave" wrote in message
. ..
Unknown wrote:
Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?

I shouldn't have to.

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.
 

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...xp/future.mspx

Windows XP will be Gone in June 2008 ? - NOT !

MS Says - Windows XP Sales will Stop on 30 June 2008.

Note - Some Existing 'new' Old-Stock of Windows XP presently
in Retailers Inventory may be available until 2009 or longer.

MS Says - Technical Support [Service Pack Downloads] for
Window XP will be provided by Microsoft Corp until 2014.

OK - What is the Problem ?

Yeah -if- You buy a New Computer you will likely get stuck
with have Micorsoft's VISTA pre-installed -but- your Old PC
that is running Windows XP will have support for Five (5)
more years.

Hopefully within those Five (5) Years Microsoft will have
something better than VISTA as their latest super-dupper
OS : Plus you will have a lot of new Hardware to Want-to-Buy.

-ps- Five (5) Years is almost Two (2) Life Cycles in the ever
changing Softwave-and-Hardware Turn-Over-and-Upgrade
PC Users Dilemma.

and . . . that's the way i see it ~ RHF

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In your mind a big steel box is the same as electronics with components
microns apart trying to be
all things to all people with hundreds of misfits attempting to create the
meanest virus.
You made your position perfectly clear and I'll also end it here..
m II" wrote in message news:_DU0k.517$7B3.302@edtnps91...
(top posting fixed to ensure clarity)

Unknown wrote:



Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?

I shouldn't have to.

That's more stupid than the first.


Why should he HAVE to worry about what causes crashes? Any properly
running appliances, such a refrigerators, alarm clocks, etc., cause no
worry OR a need for detective work.
You plug them in and they do their job.

Now YOU have a narrow mind. Do you constantly add new programs to an
appliance? Do you infect them with the likes of Norton, Symantec or
registry cleaners? Wake up and compare apples to apples.


I infect my fridge and freezer with all kinds of stuff. Some of it HOT.
I subject it to harsh cleaners and repeated slamming of the doors. The
alarm clock/radio gets subjected to the weirdest combinations of button
presses, especially in the morning. The processor in the clock keeps
ticking. The same with the processors in the dryer and microwave.

The power company subjects ALL my appliances to surges, spikes and
brownouts. So far, they've all survived, with the clock setting in the
microwave being the exception. That unit has no battery backup.

The point dave was making is that the computer and it's software should
be no different than a garden variety appliance. It should just work.

The bloated operating systems out there now are so convoluted in their
construction that even their makers have lost track of what's in the code.

The finer points of quality and care in the finished product seem to
have been lost in the mad rush to get unfinished work to market and more
people are voting with their wallet and NOT buying.

With all respect, I am now leaving this discussion. This can turn into a
never ending debate. Please, feel free to have the last word.



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"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:46:23 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

O.K. You built it and it keeps crashing. That describes you.

I built the system. Microsoft built the operating system. That is what
crashes and has so many security holes in it. Funny thing, I'm not
alone. Check it out:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...Vista+problems

I guess the "WOW" Microsoft use to use to describe Vista must be they
knew Google would find millions of people having problems.

Since you asked, consider this one:

http://security.itproportal.com/arti...rns-microsoft/

It seems Apple's popular browser Safari is a security risk on the
Windows platform and Microsoft just made an official request for
Windows users to stay away from it and not use it.

This one is a mixed bag. Users should dump Safari if Apple can't promptly
fix the issues. But it is a dangerous precident with obvious bias that
Microsoft recommends users not to use Safari. Smacks of WeSaySo.

Oh this is indeed interesting. If you're a true blue Microsoft fan
you're trusting Microsoft crap like Defender and UAC to PROTECT you.

In the Vancouver hack fest, they broke into Vista and UAC didn't react.
Obviously UAC while it might be better, still is like a login to Windows 95,
show and tell. Just click cancel and it used to work for me. UAC appears
like this, bypassable.

Well not so fast. This issue and THREAT is due to how Windows in both
XP and Vista handles executable files on the desktop, the most logical
place you would have a link to a browser.

Oh you remember, the very things Microsoft claims it wants to protect
you from with Defender and UAC. Guess those things don't work too
well. Surprise!

Honest, you Microsoft apologists make be laugh so hard my ribs hurt.

Me too. LOL. But I do agree with the UAC concept, if something is modifying
the OS, the user needs to be prompted. Just that the Vista UAC seems
somewhat like a incomplete last minute hack. Linux has this too, just far
more polish went into it that Vista.

I suspect we are in fact Win7 beta testers with Vista.

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Adam Albright wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:21:06 -0400, "Billy Smith"
wrote:

You are talking to Adam Not So Bright. Its amusing these guys keep
complaining about crashes but Ive had XP for about 6 years and no crashes,
Vista about a year and no crashes. Nice.

Did I miss some "logic" in that silly comment? No, just another patsy
that doesn't have a clue. Let me explain the facts of life to the
armatures here one more time in simple terms maybe they can
understand.

How often one might expect to see Windows "crash" is proportional to
what you use your computer for. An analogy would be you wouldn't
expect your car to have a major mechanical breakdown if all you did
was drive it up and down your driveway once a week. However if you're
trying to tow a two ton boat and trailer up a steep hill for miles
every weekend then something breaking down is far more likely to
happen.

It is obvious from reading many of the posts here that a lot of people
merely "play" with their computer. That's like driving that car back
and forth on your driveway. Of course just surfing the web, reading
email, maybe writing some short document or crunching some numbers in
a spreadsheet isn't stressful to your computer or Windows so expecting
it to see crashes under those circumstances would be silly and yes if
that's all I did I wouldn't expect Windows to crash for years either.

On the other hand some of us actually WORK with our computers
stressing it to the limit like that car straining to pull that boat
and trailer up a steep hill for mile after mile. The chances of
Windows crashing when it is running under heavy load increases the
likelihood something will hang, stop working or the system just
getting sluggish.

HUH? WTF?

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For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.
 

On Jun 2, 11:42*am, RHF wrote:
D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.http://www..microsoft.com/windows/pr...xp/future.mspx

Windows XP will be Gone in June 2008 ? - NOT !

MS Says - Windows XP Sales will Stop on 30 June 2008.

Note - Some Existing 'new' Old-Stock of Windows XP presently
in Retailers Inventory may be available until 2009 or longer.

MS Says - Technical Support [Service Pack Downloads] for
Window XP will be provided by Microsoft Corp until 2014.

OK - What is the Problem ?

Yeah -if- You buy a New Computer you will likely get stuck
with have Micorsoft's VISTA pre-installed -but- your Old PC
that is running Windows XP will have support for Five (5)
more years.

Hopefully within those Five (5) Years Microsoft will have
something better than VISTA as their latest super-dupper
OS : Plus you will have a lot of new Hardware to Want-to-Buy.

-ps- Five (5) Years is almost Two (2) Life Cycles in the ever
changing Softwave-and-Hardware Turn-Over-and-Upgrade
PC Users Dilemma.

and . . . that's the way i see it ~ RHF
*.

On May 30, 5:07*am, David wrote:

On May 30, 6:20 am, "xfile" wrote:

My two cents,

I don't see the needs for customers to sign any petitions. *It's the product
provider's job to find out if their product is well accepted by the market
or not. *And it's their product so they have every right for making the
decision. *If they think Vista is so good, just terminate XP and make
Windows 7 even more like Vista. *Of course, it's also them who have to take
the consequences of that decision. *Life finds a way, so no need to beg
anyone for keeping a product or not.

"Clear Windows" wrote in message

...

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/0...ng-official-pe....

If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record saying
that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if enough
people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to
Windows Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem was
there was no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many
online petitions, but Microsoft considers those "non-official complaints"
and the rest of us simply consider them silly.

Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to
Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the sole
purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The
calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will
consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).

If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call the
Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the
operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're
so nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a
majority of Neowin's visitors:

United States: (866) 234-6020
United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
Canada: (800) 936-8479

If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site,
choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and
then go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.

I disagree with their methodology but will make the call.

Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
of PC users

United States: (866) 234-6020
*United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
*Canada: (800) 936-8479

Save Windows XP- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- But the problem is that whatever Microsoft comes up with to replace
Vista will be the same resource Hog Vista is now;
- with no substantial gain.

- Imagine how nice it would be to have a REALLY fast, reliable PC that
ran on Some Future Iteration of hardware

- but had Reliable, Familiar Windows XP as its OS

- tapping into whatever faster Internet / server farm is standard
down teh road.

Worth Saving Windows XP, in the opinion of over 200,000

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.
 

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:48:53 -0700, Frank wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 2, 11:42 am, RHF wrote:

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...xp/future.mspx

Windows XP will be Gone in June 2008 ? - NOT !

MS Says - Windows XP Sales will Stop on 30 June 2008.

Note - Some Existing 'new' Old-Stock of Windows XP presently
in Retailers Inventory may be available until 2009 or longer.

MS Says - Technical Support [Service Pack Downloads] for
Window XP will be provided by Microsoft Corp until 2014.

OK - What is the Problem ?

Yeah -if- You buy a New Computer you will likely get stuck
with have Micorsoft's VISTA pre-installed -but- your Old PC
that is running Windows XP will have support for Five (5)
more years.

Hopefully within those Five (5) Years Microsoft will have
something better than VISTA as their latest super-dupper
OS : Plus you will have a lot of new Hardware to Want-to-Buy.

-ps- Five (5) Years is almost Two (2) Life Cycles in the ever
changing Softwave-and-Hardware Turn-Over-and-Upgrade
PC Users Dilemma.

and . . . that's the way i see it ~ RHF
.

On May 30, 5:07 am, David wrote:


On May 30, 6:20 am, "xfile" wrote:

My two cents,

I don't see the needs for customers to sign any petitions. It's the product
provider's job to find out if their product is well accepted by the market
or not. And it's their product so they have every right for making the
decision. If they think Vista is so good, just terminate XP and make
Windows 7 even more like Vista. Of course, it's also them who have to take
the consequences of that decision. Life finds a way, so no need to beg
anyone for keeping a product or not.

"Clear Windows" wrote in message

...

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/0...ng-official-pe...

If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record saying
that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if enough
people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to
Windows Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem was
there was no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many
online petitions, but Microsoft considers those "non-official complaints"
and the rest of us simply consider them silly.

Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to
Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the sole
purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The
calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will
consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).

If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call the
Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the
operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're
so nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a
majority of Neowin's visitors:

United States: (866) 234-6020
United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
Canada: (800) 936-8479

If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site,
choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and
then go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.

I disagree with their methodology but will make the call.

Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
of PC users

United States: (866) 234-6020
United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
Canada: (800) 936-8479

Save Windows XP- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


- But the problem is that whatever Microsoft comes up with to replace
Vista will be the same resource Hog Vista is now;
- with no substantial gain.

And you know this because...?

- Imagine how nice it would be to have a REALLY fast, reliable PC that
ran on Some Future Iteration of hardware

I've got multiple installs of that OS right now...it's called Vista!


- but had Reliable, Familiar Windows XP as its OS

Why? Once you become familiar with Vista, then XP seems old, slow and
clunky...just W2K did after we became familiar with XP.

- tapping into whatever faster Internet / server farm is standard
down teh road.

????????????????????????

Worth Saving Windows XP, in the opinion of over 200,000

Yeah right. You don't think for one second that 200,000 individuals
responded do you?
If so, lets talk about some very fine bridges I happens to know of that
are for sale...LOL!
Also blogs are now becoming click-and-I-get-cash cows. Any resemblance
to a real e-rag news outlet is delusional at best.
Frank

Frank knows all about delusional. It's his life.

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:03:26 -0400, "Billy Smith"
wrote:

Nah, hes just a self righteous butthole. Stupidity is his own hallmark.

Frank won't like you talking about him that way.

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"dave" wrote in message
...
Billy Smith wrote:

Thats a great assessment! I wonder how that fool Gates got those billions
of dollars?

By stifling competition (and thereby innovation) and either buying or
burying anyone who got in his stinky paranoid way?

The size of a bank account has nothing to do with whether a product works
well or not. In fact, more often than not, it may be a contra-indicator
of real intrinsic value.

You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Interesting, when you consider that
the computer industry and users at large could very well get rid of Gates
and his software. All someone would have to do is to make a compatible
software system that would be easy for the user to install and format the
old drive. Then provided you could surf the net, connect to the Net, word
process, Presentations, databases, games, multimedia, pictures, etc, it
might even be a blast.

Linux hasn't been able to do it. Mandrake was crap. Lindows couldn't do it.
Red Hat didnt. Apple hasn't accomplished crap, etc.
So when is this big change going to occur. After all, Gates can't make you
accept his system provided a reasonable alternative exists with the
supporting software, applications, and capabilities to do everything that
any Windows system does. All it would take is for someone to produce for 100
bucks a copy or so a decent operating system that actually can be placed on
any computer and work within the hardware system of that computer. Then have
the background applications.

Gates couldnt stop me from putting Linux on my machines when I did. It was
the fact that Linux was crappy and incapable of utilization in a way that
would benefit myself the user. And until they can put a copy of Linux out
that interfaces with a wide variety of programs, then they will continue to
honor Gates. Until they produce something certifably stable, decent, and
affordable that everyone can use with ease, Windows will still own you guys.

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I use all of my computers in about a weeks time frame. One to keep them
updated and the other for business purposes.

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...
Have you tried turning either machine on?



Billy Smith wrote:
You are talking to Adam Not So Bright. Its amusing these guys keep
complaining about crashes but Ive had XP for about 6 years and no
crashes, Vista about a year and no crashes. Nice.

"Unknown" wrote in message
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Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:38:01 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for
Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it.

I had no idea people wanted their systems to crash so often.

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:14:20 -0400, "Billy Smith"
wrote:

I use all of my computers in about a weeks time frame. One to keep them
updated and the other for business purposes.

So many here have no idea what they're doing or why they do it. Based
on what you just said it suggests your turn on your computer merely to
see then install any new updates.

Oh wow, I'm impressed. That's like opening the refrigerator door
slowly to see if you can confirm the light really goes out.

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Billy Smith wrote:
Gates couldnt stop me from putting Linux on my machines when I did. It was
the fact that Linux was crappy and incapable of utilization in a way that
would benefit myself the user. And until they can put a copy of Linux out
that interfaces with a wide variety of programs, then they will continue to
honor Gates. Until they produce something certifably stable, decent, and
affordable that everyone can use with ease, Windows will still own you guys.

Your ambiguous but correct grammar probably had you saying something very
different from what you meant to say. Let me swap an "antecedent" and
a pronoun in your quote:

Until Windows produce something certifably stable, decent, and
affordable that everyone can use with ease, they will still own you guys.

And it's true, they even BSOD battleships because they're more commercially
viable. Just drop it in and it plays solitaire.

P.S. I never said I was a linux aficionado in this thread, just hate Vista.

--
Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics
http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.
 

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:48:53 -0700, Frank wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 2, 11:42 am, RHF wrote:

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft
Corp.http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...xp/future.mspx

Windows XP will be Gone in June 2008 ? - NOT !

MS Says - Windows XP Sales will Stop on 30 June 2008.

Note - Some Existing 'new' Old-Stock of Windows XP presently
in Retailers Inventory may be available until 2009 or longer.

MS Says - Technical Support [Service Pack Downloads] for
Window XP will be provided by Microsoft Corp until 2014.

OK - What is the Problem ?

Yeah -if- You buy a New Computer you will likely get stuck
with have Micorsoft's VISTA pre-installed -but- your Old PC
that is running Windows XP will have support for Five (5)
more years.

Hopefully within those Five (5) Years Microsoft will have
something better than VISTA as their latest super-dupper
OS : Plus you will have a lot of new Hardware to Want-to-Buy.

-ps- Five (5) Years is almost Two (2) Life Cycles in the ever
changing Softwave-and-Hardware Turn-Over-and-Upgrade
PC Users Dilemma.

and . . . that's the way i see it ~ RHF
.

On May 30, 5:07 am, David wrote:


On May 30, 6:20 am, "xfile" wrote:

My two cents,

I don't see the needs for customers to sign any petitions. It's the
product
provider's job to find out if their product is well accepted by the
market
or not. And it's their product so they have every right for making
the
decision. If they think Vista is so good, just terminate XP and make
Windows 7 even more like Vista. Of course, it's also them who have to
take
the consequences of that decision. Life finds a way, so no need to
beg
anyone for keeping a product or not.

"Clear Windows" wrote in message

...

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/0...ng-official-pe...

If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record
saying
that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if
enough
people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to
Windows Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem
was
there was no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many
online petitions, but Microsoft considers those "non-official
complaints"
and the rest of us simply consider them silly.

Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then
on to
Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the
sole
purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP.
The
calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft
will
consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).

If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply
call the
Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the
operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because
we're
so nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a
majority of Neowin's visitors:

United States: (866) 234-6020
United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
Canada: (800) 936-8479

If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support
Site,
choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product
and
then go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.

I disagree with their methodology but will make the call.

Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
of PC users

United States: (866) 234-6020
United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
Canada: (800) 936-8479

Save Windows XP- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


- But the problem is that whatever Microsoft comes up with to replace
Vista will be the same resource Hog Vista is now;
- with no substantial gain.

And you know this because...?

- Imagine how nice it would be to have a REALLY fast, reliable PC that
ran on Some Future Iteration of hardware

I've got multiple installs of that OS right now...it's called Vista!


- but had Reliable, Familiar Windows XP as its OS

Why? Once you become familiar with Vista, then XP seems old, slow and
clunky...just W2K did after we became familiar with XP.

- tapping into whatever faster Internet / server farm is standard
down teh road.

????????????????????????

Worth Saving Windows XP, in the opinion of over 200,000

Yeah right. You don't think for one second that 200,000 individuals
responded do you?
If so, lets talk about some very fine bridges I happens to know of that
are for sale...LOL!
Also blogs are now becoming click-and-I-get-cash cows. Any resemblance
to a real e-rag news outlet is delusional at best.
Frank

Frank knows all about delusional. It's his life.


Sure you do, Madeline

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"Frank" wrote in message
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Billy Smith wrote:

Nah, hes just a self righteous butthole. Stupidity is his own hallmark.

"Unknown" wrote in message
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Holy Cow-----Do you ever read your posts and criticize them? You should
talk.
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:49:05 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

That's more stupid than the first.


This newsgroup is overflowing with stupid comments. Many of them seem
to be coming from guys like you that can't stand to see anyone being
critical of Vista. Sorry to inform you it sounds like you have been
inflicted with the same fatal disease the resident troll Frank has
where the person just rants and screams and keeps making excuses for
Microsoft releasing crap.

"dave" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?


I shouldn't have to.






Yeah, adam albright is the real nut case of this ng.
Frank

Watch it now, you might upset him and he will throw a temper tantrum. He's
so tightly wound now that he can't use his computer correctly. He might
heaven forbid go postal on it.

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"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:14:20 -0400, "Billy Smith"
wrote:

I use all of my computers in about a weeks time frame. One to keep them
updated and the other for business purposes.

So many here have no idea what they're doing or why they do it. Based
on what you just said it suggests your turn on your computer merely to
see then install any new updates.

Oh wow, I'm impressed. That's like opening the refrigerator door
slowly to see if you can confirm the light really goes out.


Based on what your reading comprehension is of this thread, I would suspect
that you didn't bother to read any of my other comments. Considering that I
have 1 XP laptop, 3 XP desktops, 2 Vista Laptops, and 1 Vista Desktop says
to me that I spend quite a bit of time in the computer realm. In fact,
probably several hours of the day outside of work. Perhaps you're less than
capable using Vista or learning how not to crash a computer system would be
educational for you.

I don't sit around and install new updates every time. One because I use all
my computers more than that. I have computers for different purposes. One
primarily for amateur radio software and music not to mention media mixing.
Another is for website development and business. 2 are for personal pleasure
one desktop and the other laptop. The other couple get a lot of web usage.
One pretty much has thousands of songs on it. You might learn something from
some of the posters here. No small task to keep all those computers running
in top shape. Something else that eludes you.

D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft Corp.
 

In article ,
Frank wrote:

SNIP

Most people fine it rather strange that

SNIP

You keep on posting off topic crap.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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Frank wrote:
Billy Smith wrote:

Nah, hes just a self righteous butthole. Stupidity is his own hallmark.

"Unknown" wrote in message
...

Holy Cow-----Do you ever read your posts and criticize them? You
should talk.
"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:49:05 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote:

That's more stupid than the first.


This newsgroup is overflowing with stupid comments. Many of them seem
to be coming from guys like you that can't stand to see anyone being
critical of Vista. Sorry to inform you it sounds like you have been
inflicted with the same fatal disease the resident troll Frank has
where the person just rants and screams and keeps making excuses for
Microsoft releasing crap.
So you discovered that LOL! aka the resident troll is a nut case. How
long did it take you to find that out?

"dave" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes?


I shouldn't have to.






Yeah, adam albright is the real nut case of this ng.
Frank
They are not takling about Adam so I think you should look in the
mirror. Now I know you are scared! Bah.....