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(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can
forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy hillside. The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today. Jim was not only the best horse racing announcer ever he truly loved horses and raised them on his farm. http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns Thank you for all the wonderful memories Mr. McKay. |
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Tex wrote:
The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today. Heartbroken? Sensed the death of a broadcaster? Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran the animal on glued together hoof. ================================ Trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. revealed that the Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner is battling a quarter crack on the inside of his left front hoof that will force the colt to miss several days of training. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...riple_cro.html ================================ mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:
Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran the animal on glued together hoof. Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death for money. The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts: Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here are the basic facts about the hunt. Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt? Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98 percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of age. Where Are the Seals Killed? Canada's commercial seal hunt occurs on the ice floes off Canada's East Coast in two areas: the Gulf of St. Lawrence (west of Newfoundland and east of the Magdalen Islands) and the "Front" (northeast of Newfoundland). Who Kills Seals and Why? Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, the government estimates there are less than 6,000 fishermen who actively participate in the seal hunt each year. How Are the Seals Killed? The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt, stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns are more widely used. It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once. As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never recovered. Is the Seal Hunt Cruel? Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare standards. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while conscious. Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals alive. How Many Seals Are Killed Each Year? Hundreds of thousands. In fact, over the past three years, nearly one million seals have been killed. The current kill levels are higher than they have been in half a century. During the 2006 hunt, the Canadian government allowed fishermen to club and shoot at least 354,344 seals. The last time seals were killed at this rate—in the 1950s and '60s—the harp seal population was reduced by nearly two thirds. And the actual number of seals killed is probably far higher than the number reported. Many seals are shot at and injured in the course of the hunt, and studies suggest that a significant number of these animals slip beneath the surface of the water, where they die slowly and are never recovered. Are There Any Penalties When Hunters Exceed the Government's Quota? No. In 2002, the Canadian government knowingly allowed sealers to exceed the quota by more than 37,000 animals. Sealers had already killed substantially more than the quota allowed by May 15 (the regulated closing date of the seal hunt), and yet the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans chose to extend the sealing season until June. In 2004, sealers killed close to 16,000 seals more than the permitted quota. Again, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans extended the sealing season until well into June. What Products Are Made from Seals? Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil (both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to rot on the ice. Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important? No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, revenues from the hunt account for less than 1 percent of the province's economy and only 2 percent of the landed value of the fishery. According to the Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people, less than 6,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year. The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal government could easily replace with economic alternatives, should it choose to do so. Does the Government Subsidize the Hunt? Yes. According to reports from the Canadian Institute for Business and the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Those subsidies came from entities such as the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Human Resources Development Council, and Canada Economic Development–Quebec. These subsidies take a variety of forms, including funding the salaries for seal processing plant workers, market research and development trips, and capital acquisitions for processing plants. In 2004, more than $400,000 was provided by the Canadian government to companies for the development of seal products, and as recently as April 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard—at the taxpayer's expense—broke through the ice for the sealing vessels as it does each year. In 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard estimates that it spent an additional $3.5 million rescuing sealing vessels. Moreover, Canada's commercial seal hunt is also indirectly subsidized by the Norwegian government. A Norwegian company purchases close to 80% of the sealskins produced in Canada in any given year through its Canadian subsidiary. These skins are shipped in an unprocessed state directly to Norway, where they are tanned and re-exported. The Norwegian government provides significant financial assistance to this company each year. Is It True Seals Are Jeopardizing the Canadian Cod Fishery? There is no evidence to support this contention. Some fishing industry lobby groups try to claim that seals must be culled to protect fish stocks, but nothing could be further from the truth. The scientific community agrees that the true cause of the depletion of fish stocks off Canada's East Coast is human over-fishing. Blaming seals for disappearing fish is a convenient way for the fishing industry to divert attention from its irresponsible and environmentally destructive practices that continue today. In truth, seals, like all marine mammals, are a vital part of the ecosystem of the Northwest Atlantic. Harp seals, which are the primary target of the hunt, are opportunistic feeders, meaning they eat many different species. So while approximately 3 percent of a harp seal's diet may be commercially fished cod, harp seals also eat many significant predators of cod, such as squid. That is why some scientists are concerned that culling harp seals could further inhibit recovery of commercially valuable fish stocks in the Northwest Atlantic. Are Seals Overpopulated? No. The Canadian government and sealing industry have, at various times, tried to claim that the harp seal population has "tripled" over the past three decades, or that the harp seal population is "exploding," or that seals are overpopulated. This is misleading at best. The harp seal population in the Northwest Atlantic is the world's largest; it is a migratory population that spans the distance between Canada and Greenland, and is supposed to number in the many millions. In the 1950s and '60s, over-hunting wiped out close to two-thirds of the harp seal population. By 1974, the population was considered to be in serious trouble, and senior government scientists recommended suspending the commercial hunt for at least 10 years. In the early 1980s, the European Union banned the import of whitecoat seal skins, effectively removing the principal market for the hunt at the time. For the next decade, the numbers of seals killed in the hunt dramatically declined, and the harp seal population began to recover. But in the 1990s, the Canadian government rejuvenated the commercial seal hunt through massive subsidies. And with nearly one million seal pups killed in the past three years alone, we can only wonder what the impact will be on the harp seal population in coming years. Scientists have already sounded the alarm regarding the poor science used by the Canadian government to set quotas for the number of seals killed. A list of the deceitful lies the Canadian government has spread concerning the seal pup slaughter can be viewed at http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...the_truth.html |
(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
Tex wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote: Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran the animal on glued together hoof. Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death for money. I am well aware of the atrocity called the seal hunt. Below is a copy of a posting I made here some months ago. My response starts at the asterisks. ================================== Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave From: m II Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:25:34 GMT Local: Tues, Jul 4 2006 11:25 pm Subject: Burning the Canadian Flag on the 1st of July - For the Baby Seals ! bpnjensen wrote: RHF wrote: Maybe Every Good PETA Member should Burn the Canadian Flag on the 1st of July - For the Baby Seals ! I do believe that there is a place in Hell reserved for the people who perpetuate this atrocity - and the Flag of Canada flies over it. ********* I hope there IS a very special place for these people. All of them, from the rag trade pimps around the world to the Hollywood bimbos who buy the crap. I wonder how many pieces of silver crossed our politician's palms to let the outrage continue. mike ============================================== ========================================= |
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On Jun 9, 12:29 am, m II wrote:
I am well aware of the atrocity called the seal hunt. Below is a copy of a posting I made here some months ago. Very good, I commend you for your advocacy to stop animal cruelty. Hopefully you are doing much more to end the seal slaughter than merely posting responses in this newsgroup. I've recently learned that the Canadian government has resorted to piracy on the high seas to censor coverage of the slaughter. See http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080425_1.html This is outrageous and unacceptable behavior, something one would expect from Stalinist North Korea not Canada. |
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Tex wrote:
I've recently learned that the Canadian government has resorted to piracy on the high seas to censor coverage of the slaughter. See http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080425_1.html A law was passed some years ago that stopped foreign fishing within the 200 mile limit and other certain sensitive areas. Keep us happy? No. The government now *rents* Canadian flags to foreign vessels, so no law is being broken. Then there is the matter of the ships dumping used oil into the shoreline waters to save money in port. The Minister of Fisheries doesn't gave a crap. The bottom dredging is another sign of corruption in the highest levels of our Bush-Lite administration. These people are killing all life in the oceans for the sake of a few cents a tin. It's sickening. mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Jun 8, 10:18*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote: Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran the animal on glued together hoof. Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death for money. The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts: Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here are the basic facts about the hunt. Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt? Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98 percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of age. Where Are the Seals Killed? Canada's commercial seal hunt occurs on the ice floes off Canada's East Coast in two areas: the Gulf of St. Lawrence (west of Newfoundland and east of the Magdalen Islands) and the "Front" (northeast of Newfoundland). Who Kills Seals and Why? Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, the government estimates there are less than 6,000 fishermen who actively participate in the seal hunt each year. How Are the Seals Killed? The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt, stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns are more widely used. It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once. As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never recovered. Is the Seal Hunt Cruel? Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare standards. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while conscious. Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals alive. How Many Seals Are Killed Each Year? Hundreds of thousands. In fact, over the past three years, nearly one million seals have been killed. The current kill levels are higher than they have been in half a century. During the 2006 hunt, the Canadian government allowed fishermen to club and shoot at least 354,344 seals. The last time seals were killed at this rate—in the 1950s and '60s—the harp seal population was reduced by nearly two thirds. And the actual number of seals killed is probably far higher than the number reported. Many seals are shot at and injured in the course of the hunt, and studies suggest that a significant number of these animals slip beneath the surface of the water, where they die slowly and are never recovered. Are There Any Penalties When Hunters Exceed the Government's Quota? No. In 2002, the Canadian government knowingly allowed sealers to exceed the quota by more than 37,000 animals. Sealers had already killed substantially more than the quota allowed by May 15 (the regulated closing date of the seal hunt), and yet the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans chose to extend the sealing season until June. In 2004, sealers killed close to 16,000 seals more than the permitted quota. Again, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans extended the sealing season until well into June. What Products Are Made from Seals? Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil (both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to rot on the ice. Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important? No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, revenues from the hunt account for less than 1 percent of the province's economy and only 2 percent of the landed value of the fishery. According to the Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people, less than 6,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year. The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal government could easily replace with economic alternatives, should it choose to do so. Does the Government Subsidize the Hunt? Yes. According to reports from the Canadian Institute for Business and the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Those subsidies came from entities such as the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Human Resources Development Council, and Canada Economic Development–Quebec. These subsidies take a variety of forms, including funding the salaries for seal processing plant workers, market research and development trips, and capital acquisitions for processing plants. In 2004, more than $400,000 was provided by the Canadian government to companies for the development of seal products, and as recently as April 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard—at the taxpayer's expense—broke through the ice for the sealing vessels as it does each year. In 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard estimates that it spent an additional $3.5 million rescuing sealing vessels. Moreover, Canada's commercial seal hunt is also indirectly subsidized by the Norwegian government. A Norwegian company purchases close to 80% of the sealskins produced in Canada in any given year through its Canadian subsidiary. These skins are shipped in an unprocessed state directly to Norway, where they are tanned and re-exported. The Norwegian government provides significant financial assistance to this company each year. Is It True Seals Are Jeopardizing the Canadian Cod Fishery? There is no evidence to support this contention. Some fishing industry lobby groups try to claim that seals must be culled to protect fish stocks, but nothing could be further from the truth. The scientific community agrees that the true cause of the depletion of fish stocks off Canada's East Coast is human over-fishing. Blaming seals for disappearing fish is a convenient way for the fishing industry to divert attention from its irresponsible and environmentally destructive practices that continue today. In truth, seals, like all marine mammals, are a vital part of the ecosystem of the Northwest Atlantic. Harp seals, which are the primary target of the hunt, are opportunistic feeders, meaning they eat many different species. So while approximately 3 percent of a harp seal's diet may be commercially fished cod, harp seals also eat many significant predators of cod, such as squid. That is why some scientists are concerned that culling harp seals could further inhibit recovery of commercially valuable fish stocks in the Northwest Atlantic. Are Seals Overpopulated? No. The Canadian government and sealing industry have, at various times, tried to claim that the harp seal population has "tripled" over the past three decades, or that the harp seal population is "exploding," or that seals are overpopulated. This is misleading at best. The harp seal population in the Northwest Atlantic is the world's largest; it is a migratory population that spans the distance between Canada and Greenland, and is supposed to number in the many millions. In the 1950s and '60s, over-hunting wiped out close to two-thirds of the harp seal population. By 1974, the population was considered to be in serious trouble, and senior government scientists recommended suspending the commercial hunt *for at least 10 years. In the early 1980s, the European Union banned the import of whitecoat seal skins, effectively removing the principal market for the hunt at the time. For the next decade, the numbers of seals killed in the hunt dramatically declined, and the harp seal population began to recover. But in the 1990s, the Canadian government rejuvenated the commercial seal hunt through massive subsidies. And with nearly one million seal pups killed in the past three years alone, we can only wonder what the impact will be on the harp seal population in coming years. Scientists have already sounded the alarm regarding the poor science used by the Canadian government to set quotas for the number of seals killed. A list of the deceitful lies the Canadian government has spread concerning the seal pup slaughter can be viewed athttp://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/the_truth.html Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.] |
(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
On Jun 7, 7:17*pm, Tex wrote:
One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy hillside. The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed Jim's death - *his heart was too broken to run today. Nonsense. The horse had been on steriods but was taken off before the race. I suspect he we was on a steroid "downer" and could not perform as his owners wanted. Horse racing records are as driven by steroids as those set in baseball and other professsional sports. Jim was not only the best horse racing announcer ever he truly loved horses and raised them on his farm.http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news;_yl...MaBbYkX47kF?sl... Thank you for all the wonderful memories Mr. McKay. |
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On Jun 9, 1:18*am, Tex wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote: Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran the animal on glued together hoof. Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death for money. The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts: Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here are the basic facts about the hunt. Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt? Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98 percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of age. Where Are the Seals Killed? Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil (both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to rot on the ice. Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important? No. Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? It's quite a process to go from living critter to fillet. You should visit a feeding operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real eyeful. We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly cod or rangy horse. They are all dead and the way they got to that state is not pretty. Do we really need things like leather shoes and meat? I think so. |
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On Jun 9, 5:45*am, Radioguy wrote:
On Jun 9, 1:18*am, Tex wrote: On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote: Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran the animal on glued together hoof. Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death for money. The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts: Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here are the basic facts about the hunt. Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt? Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98 percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of age. Where Are the Seals Killed? Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil (both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to rot on the ice. Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important? No. Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and meat? * I think so.- I need neither one to live happy and healthy...and if I don't... Bruce Jensen |
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Radioguy wrote: On Jun 7, 7:17 pm, Tex wrote: One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy hillside. The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today. Nonsense. The horse had been on steriods but was taken off before the race. I suspect he we was on a steroid "downer" and could not perform as his owners wanted. It looked to me as though the jockey was holding the horse back. I was watching the race with a gal who owns 3 horses, and that was her reaction as well. |
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RHF wrote:
Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.] The people that buy the skins are just as sick. This should help you make up your mind: http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/2008...g---graph.html Why don't you help to set up a boycott in your area? mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote:
Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? It's quite a process to go from living critter to fillet. You should visit a feeding operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real eyeful. We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly cod or rangy horse. They are all dead and the way they got to that state is not pretty. Do we really need things like leather shoes and meat? I think so. Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live extremely well without either. I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an cholesterol level returned to normal and my energy level tripled. The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are unable to be a part of my active lifestyle. Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check out http://www.madcowboy.com/ to learn and live healthier and longer. |
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On Jun 9, 1:10 am, m II wrote:
A law was passed some years ago that stopped foreign fishing within the 200 mile limit and other certain sensitive areas. Keep us happy? No. The government now *rents* Canadian flags to foreign vessels, so no law is being broken. Then there is the matter of the ships dumping used oil into the shoreline waters to save money in port. The Minister of Fisheries doesn't gave a crap. The bottom dredging is another sign of corruption in the highest levels of our Bush-Lite administration. These people are killing all life in the oceans for the sake of a few cents a tin. It's sickening. mike Sickening indeed, the oceans and seas of the world have become toxic waste dumps thanks to the actions of humans. Not satisfied to merely poison the waters with our toxins, the navies of the world irresponsible use of sonar also kills millions of dolphins and whales. Recently the US Navy was ordered by the courts to cease sonar training exercises because of the devastating effect it has on marine life. Per usual the fascist Bush/Cheney regime ignored the decision and exempted the US Navy from complying with the order - shouting "9-1-1" and "national security" no doubt. How much mileage they are going to get out that canard is unfathomable evidently. Today I saw another news report of dolphins beaching themselves. This time in Madagascar - 55 dolphins died. http://www.reuters.com/article/envir...p=trueEveryone pretends not to know why this happens but it is naval sonar. The painful high pitch of the sonar is so painful to marine mammals it literally drives them crazy and they lose their navigation ability. The more I observe the actions of human beings, the more I am convinced that the specie is the result of a cosmic mistake. The universe will rejoice when we finally succeed in driving ourselves to extinction. Good riddance. The tragedy will be that we will have committed omnicide enroute to our demise. |
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On Jun 9, 8:52*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote: Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and meat? * I think so. Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live extremely well without either. *I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an cholesterol *level returned to normal and my energy level tripled. The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are unable to be a part of my active lifestyle. Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/ to learn and live healthier and longer. You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. I'm certain the common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and eating an imbalanced diet. I'm sure they are charter members of Couch Potatoes International. Most of my healthy and long lived friends consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. Don't forget our bodies have evolved over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an herbivore. |
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On Jun 10, 3:45*pm, Radioguy wrote:
On Jun 9, 8:52*pm, Tex wrote: On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote: Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and meat? * I think so. Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live extremely well without either. *I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an cholesterol *level returned to normal and my energy level tripled. The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are unable to be a part of my active lifestyle. Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/ to learn and live healthier and longer. You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. *I'm certain the common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and eating an imbalanced diet. *I'm sure they are charter members of Couch Potatoes International. *Most of my healthy and long lived friends consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. *Don't forget our bodies have evolved over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an herbivore.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore. Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at all. Bruce Jensen |
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"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore. Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at all. Bruce Jensen Within the last single generation, meat protein has been introduced into the larger diet here in Korea. In that single generation, body height and strength have increased to Western levels. Unfortunately, around that same time, Western fast food was introduced, so there are now fairly large numbers (though nothing like in the West) of obese. It's interesting to see 20 somethings that are a full foot taller than their parents. |
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On Jun 10, 5:45 pm, Radioguy wrote:
You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. I'm certain the common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and eating an imbalanced diet. I'm sure they are charter members of Couch Potatoes International. Most of my healthy and long lived friends consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. Don't forget our bodies have evolved over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an herbivore. You shouldn't be so certain about things you have no knowledge of. There is nothing odd about them at all. In fact they are typical Americans eating the typical American diet. You also conveniently choose to ignore the fact meat eaters of years long passed were not ingesting myriads of chemicals that are toxic to the human system with their meats. Growth hormones are fed to animals to make them bigger which in turn make the animals sick which in turn leads to the giving of antibiotics to make the animal well. Pretend as you wish that the chemical cocktail served within the dead flesh you eat isn't harmful but the scientific evidence refuting your wishful thinking is overwhelming. It is strange that people like you seem to be so bugged by the notion that others choose not to eat meat. Personally I couldn't care less what you eat. In fact, in your case I would even encourage you to eat more meat. Eat pork - eat lots and lots of pork! |
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On Jun 11, 2:48 pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:45 pm, Radioguy wrote: On Jun 9, 8:52 pm, Tex wrote: On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote: Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? It's quite a process to go from living critter to fillet. You should visit a feeding operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real eyeful. We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly cod or rangy horse. They are all dead and the way they got to that state is not pretty. Do we really need things like leather shoes and meat? I think so. Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live extremely well without either. I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an cholesterol level returned to normal and my energy level tripled. The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are unable to be a part of my active lifestyle. Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/ to learn and live healthier and longer. You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. I'm certain the common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and eating an imbalanced diet. I'm sure they are charter members of Couch Potatoes International. Most of my healthy and long lived friends consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. Don't forget our bodies have evolved over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an herbivore.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore. Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at all. Bruce Jensen Have you ever noted how most bible thumpers refuse to acknowledge that humans originally had a vegetarian diet (Genesis 1:29). They don't like to talk about gluttony either, Jerry Falwell comes to mind. Instead of being raptured up the 400 lb. slob was found laying on the floor of his office. |
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On Jun 11, 1:40*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 10, 5:45 pm, Radioguy wrote: You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. *I'm certain the common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and eating an imbalanced diet. *I'm sure they are charter members of Couch Potatoes International. *Most of my healthy and long lived friends consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. *Don't forget our bodies have evolved over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an herbivore. You shouldn't be so certain about things you have no knowledge of. There is nothing odd about them at all. In fact they are typical Americans eating the typical American diet. You also conveniently choose to ignore the fact meat eaters of years long passed were not ingesting myriads of chemicals that are toxic to the human system with their meats. Growth hormones are fed to animals to make them bigger which in turn make the animals sick which in turn leads to the giving of antibiotics to make the animal well. Pretend as you wish that the chemical cocktail served within the dead flesh you eat isn't harmful but the scientific evidence refuting your wishful thinking is overwhelming. It is strange that people like you seem to be so bugged by the notion that others choose not to eat meat. Personally I couldn't care less what you eat. - In fact, in your case I would even encourage you to - eat more meat. Eat pork - eat lots and lots of pork! Tex - Aren't You in-fact Encouraging Cannibalism ? ;-) ~ RHF |
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Real PROTEIN comes from BEEF.I am not a vegetarian but I like vegies and
fruit ok,,,, along with my BEEF or PORK or FOUL or FISH. All of the vegetarians I have ever seen before look kind of undernourished to me. cuhulin |
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Tex wrote:
They don't like to talk about gluttony either, Jerry Falwell comes to mind. Instead of being raptured up the 400 lb. slob was found laying on the floor of his office. Raptured? Damn...he thought it was RUPTURED. Why didn't you say something before his insides broke? mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:17:28 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: Begin Within the last single generation, meat protein has been introduced into the larger diet here in Korea. In that single generation, body height and strength have increased to Western levels. Unfortunately, around that same time, Western fast food was introduced, so there are now fairly large numbers (though nothing like in the West) of obese. It's interesting to see 20 somethings that are a full foot taller than their parents. What if the recent 80,000 strong protest in Seoul fails to maintain the blockade and USA beef comes in, does this lower the price of hamburgers even more, making for fatter citizens? It seems to have worked quite well. Mad Cow phobia reigns. But I guess that's no different than what is going on in Japan. Korea has very strong unions. You should have seen them holler when rice began to be imported from other countries (read, the US). Along with health paranoia, they're pretty protective of their jobs here. They have to be. In a country roughly the size of Indiana, with nearly 60,000,000 people, they can't afford to give any away. There's a generational divide over whether the US military should be here or not. The oldsters want us to stay, for the protection from the loony of the north, and for the economic infusion of tons of $$$. If the US military were to pull out, hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost directly from the military support system, and indirectly from the loss of dollars spent by the military and it's members. The youngsters want us out. It's an understandable point of view, for kids that don't realize what it would do to the country's economy (let's just set aside Uncle Kim). |
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In Hokkaido,Japan there are fast food joints that serve fried
Whaleburgers. cuhulin |
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On Jun 9, 10:45 am, m II wrote:
RHF wrote: Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.] The people that buy the skins are just as sick. This should help you make up your mind: http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/2008...g---graph.html Why don't you help to set up a boycott in your area? mike Mike: That would actually entail some effort on his part - therefore it is an impossibility. He's typical of his ilk - only worse. |
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On Jun 12, 4:49*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 9, 10:45 am, m II wrote: RHF wrote: Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.] The people that buy the skins are just as sick. This should help you make up your mind: http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/2008...g---graph.html Why don't you help to set up a boycott in your area? mike - Mike: - That would actually entail some effort on his part - - therefore it is an impossibility. - He's typical of his ilk - only worse. Tex, You seam to have a 'special' Box with a Name Label on it to put everyone you don't happen to like into. i b an atypical 'ilk' ~ RHF |
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RHF wrote:
You seam Is he a tailor? mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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RHF wrote: You seam Sew what. |
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D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: You seam Sew what. Yeah, stop needleing him. |
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dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: You seam Sew what. Yeah, stop needleing him. Yes, I should exit the thread. |
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Have a ''cold one'' on me.
--- [] cuhulin |
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On Jun 11, 3:48*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:45*pm, Radioguy wrote: On Jun 9, 8:52*pm, Tex wrote: On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote: Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and meat? * I think so. Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live extremely well without either. *I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an cholesterol *level returned to normal and my energy level tripled. The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are unable to be a part of my active lifestyle. Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/ to learn and live healthier and longer. You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. *I'm certain the common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and eating an imbalanced diet. *I'm sure they are charter members of Couch Potatoes International. *Most of my healthy and long lived friends consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. *Don't forget our bodies have evolved over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an herbivore.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore. Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at all. Bruce Jensen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Look at your teeth - designed to tear and chew both. Our bodies have evolved to process meat and vegetables efficiently and extract nutrients. |
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On Jun 13, 3:14 am, RHF wrote:
You seam to have a 'special' Box with a Name Label on it to put everyone you don't happen to like into. i b an atypical 'ilk' ~ RHF Mike asked you a specific question, why won't you answer it? And no I have no "special Box with a Name Label on it". Don't flatter yourself, you aren't that important. The only time I pay any attention to your babble is when you elbow your way into a thread. But now that you mention it perhaps it would be appropriate to dig that old chamber pot out of the shed and paint RHF - "Retired Half- Assed Fool". That is what your initials stand for isn't it? |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: You seam Sew what. Yeah, stop needleing him. Yes, I should exit the thread. Nah..It's keeping me in stitches.... mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: You seam Sew what. Yeah, stop needleing him. Yes, I should exit the thread. Button it up, you guys! JB |
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Some people say some things come in threes.Jim Mckay, Tim Russert,,,,
Who is next? cuhulin |
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John Barnard wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: You seam Sew what. Yeah, stop needleing him. Yes, I should exit the thread. Button it up, you guys! You deserved to be cuffed for that one. mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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