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Tex[_2_] June 8th 08 12:17 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can
forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of
defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy
hillside.

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today.

Jim was not only the best horse racing announcer ever he truly loved
horses and raised them on his farm.
http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Thank you for all the wonderful memories Mr. McKay.

m II June 8th 08 12:27 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
Tex wrote:

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today.


Heartbroken? Sensed the death of a broadcaster?

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


================================
Trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. revealed that the Kentucky Derby and Preakness
winner is battling a quarter crack on the inside of his left front hoof
that will force the colt to miss several days of training.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...riple_cro.html

================================



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BDK[_5_] June 8th 08 01:08 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
In article JPE2k.231$L03.137@edtnps92, says...
Tex wrote:

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today.


Heartbroken? Sensed the death of a broadcaster?

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


================================
Trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. revealed that the Kentucky Derby and Preakness
winner is battling a quarter crack on the inside of his left front hoof
that will force the colt to miss several days of training.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...riple_cro.html

================================



mike



Horses run with worse problems all the time, the foot wasn't a factor.
--
BDK

kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster

Tex[_2_] June 9th 08 06:18 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.
The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts:

Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of
marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over
because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian
government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here
are the basic facts about the hunt.

Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt?

Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to
a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98
percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of
age.

Where Are the Seals Killed?

Canada's commercial seal hunt occurs on the ice floes off Canada's
East Coast in two areas: the Gulf of St. Lawrence (west of
Newfoundland and east of the Magdalen Islands) and the
"Front" (northeast of Newfoundland).

Who Kills Seals and Why?

Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's
East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual
incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in
Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, the government
estimates there are less than 6,000 fishermen who actively participate
in the seal hunt each year.

How Are the Seals Killed?

The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt,
stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large
ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and
hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns
are more widely used.



It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably
cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are
often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada
deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole
they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once.
As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip
beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never
recovered.

Is the Seal Hunt Cruel?

Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who
studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding
humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the
seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare
standards. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of
the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while
conscious.

Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's
commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels
of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice
floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in
agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals
alive.

How Many Seals Are Killed Each Year?

Hundreds of thousands. In fact, over the past three years, nearly one
million seals have been killed. The current kill levels are higher
than they have been in half a century. During the 2006 hunt, the
Canadian government allowed fishermen to club and shoot at least
354,344 seals. The last time seals were killed at this rate—in the
1950s and '60s—the harp seal population was reduced by nearly two
thirds.

And the actual number of seals killed is probably far higher than the
number reported. Many seals are shot at and injured in the course of
the hunt, and studies suggest that a significant number of these
animals slip beneath the surface of the water, where they die slowly
and are never recovered.

Are There Any Penalties When Hunters Exceed the Government's Quota?

No. In 2002, the Canadian government knowingly allowed sealers to
exceed the quota by more than 37,000 animals. Sealers had already
killed substantially more than the quota allowed by May 15 (the
regulated closing date of the seal hunt), and yet the Minister of
Fisheries and Oceans chose to extend the sealing season until June. In
2004, sealers killed close to 16,000 seals more than the permitted
quota. Again, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans extended the
sealing season until well into June.

What Products Are Made from Seals?

Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce
fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil
(both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal
penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is
almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to
rot on the ice.

Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?

No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from
Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their
incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even
in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, revenues from the
hunt account for less than 1 percent of the province's economy and
only 2 percent of the landed value of the fishery. According to the
Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people,
less than 6,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year.

The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal
government could easily replace with economic alternatives, should it
choose to do so.

Does the Government Subsidize the Hunt?

Yes. According to reports from the Canadian Institute for Business and
the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to
the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Those subsidies came from
entities such as the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Human
Resources Development Council, and Canada Economic Development–Quebec.
These subsidies take a variety of forms, including funding the
salaries for seal processing plant workers, market research and
development trips, and capital acquisitions for processing plants. In
2004, more than $400,000 was provided by the Canadian government to
companies for the development of seal products, and as recently as
April 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard—at the taxpayer's expense—broke
through the ice for the sealing vessels as it does each year. In 2007,
the Canadian Coast Guard estimates that it spent an additional $3.5
million rescuing sealing vessels.

Moreover, Canada's commercial seal hunt is also indirectly subsidized
by the Norwegian government. A Norwegian company purchases close to
80% of the sealskins produced in Canada in any given year through its
Canadian subsidiary. These skins are shipped in an unprocessed state
directly to Norway, where they are tanned and re-exported. The
Norwegian government provides significant financial assistance to this
company each year.

Is It True Seals Are Jeopardizing the Canadian Cod Fishery?

There is no evidence to support this contention. Some fishing industry
lobby groups try to claim that seals must be culled to protect fish
stocks, but nothing could be further from the truth.

The scientific community agrees that the true cause of the depletion
of fish stocks off Canada's East Coast is human over-fishing. Blaming
seals for disappearing fish is a convenient way for the fishing
industry to divert attention from its irresponsible and
environmentally destructive practices that continue today.

In truth, seals, like all marine mammals, are a vital part of the
ecosystem of the Northwest Atlantic. Harp seals, which are the primary
target of the hunt, are opportunistic feeders, meaning they eat many
different species. So while approximately 3 percent of a harp seal's
diet may be commercially fished cod, harp seals also eat many
significant predators of cod, such as squid. That is why some
scientists are concerned that culling harp seals could further inhibit
recovery of commercially valuable fish stocks in the Northwest
Atlantic.

Are Seals Overpopulated?

No. The Canadian government and sealing industry have, at various
times, tried to claim that the harp seal population has "tripled" over
the past three decades, or that the harp seal population is
"exploding," or that seals are overpopulated.

This is misleading at best. The harp seal population in the Northwest
Atlantic is the world's largest; it is a migratory population that
spans the distance between Canada and Greenland, and is supposed to
number in the many millions.

In the 1950s and '60s, over-hunting wiped out close to two-thirds of
the harp seal population. By 1974, the population was considered to be
in serious trouble, and senior government scientists recommended
suspending the commercial hunt for at least 10 years.

In the early 1980s, the European Union banned the import of whitecoat
seal skins, effectively removing the principal market for the hunt at
the time. For the next decade, the numbers of seals killed in the hunt
dramatically declined, and the harp seal population began to recover.

But in the 1990s, the Canadian government rejuvenated the commercial
seal hunt through massive subsidies. And with nearly one million seal
pups killed in the past three years alone, we can only wonder what the
impact will be on the harp seal population in coming years. Scientists
have already sounded the alarm regarding the poor science used by the
Canadian government to set quotas for the number of seals killed.

A list of the deceitful lies the Canadian government has spread
concerning the seal pup slaughter can be viewed at
http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...the_truth.html

m II June 9th 08 06:29 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
Tex wrote:

On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.



I am well aware of the atrocity called the seal hunt. Below is a copy of
a posting I made here some months ago.

My response starts at the
asterisks.

==================================
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
From: m II
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:25:34 GMT
Local: Tues, Jul 4 2006 11:25 pm
Subject: Burning the Canadian Flag on the 1st of July - For the Baby
Seals !


bpnjensen wrote:
RHF wrote:


Maybe Every Good PETA Member should
Burn the Canadian Flag on the 1st of July
- For the Baby Seals !


I do believe that there is a place in Hell reserved for the people who
perpetuate this atrocity - and the Flag of Canada flies over it.


*********
I hope there IS a very special place for these people. All of them, from
the rag trade pimps around the world to the Hollywood bimbos who buy the
crap. I wonder how many pieces of silver crossed our politician's palms
to let the outrage continue.

mike
==============================================



=========================================

Tex[_2_] June 9th 08 06:48 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 9, 12:29 am, m II wrote:

I am well aware of the atrocity called the seal hunt. Below is a copy of
a posting I made here some months ago.


Very good, I commend you for your advocacy to stop animal cruelty.
Hopefully you are doing much more to end the seal slaughter than
merely posting responses in this newsgroup.

I've recently learned that the Canadian government has resorted to
piracy on the high seas to censor coverage of the slaughter. See
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080425_1.html

This is outrageous and unacceptable behavior, something one would
expect from Stalinist North Korea not Canada.


m II June 9th 08 07:10 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
Tex wrote:


I've recently learned that the Canadian government has resorted to
piracy on the high seas to censor coverage of the slaughter. See
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080425_1.html


A law was passed some years ago that stopped foreign fishing within the
200 mile limit and other certain sensitive areas. Keep us happy? No. The
government now *rents* Canadian flags to foreign vessels, so no law is
being broken.

Then there is the matter of the ships dumping used oil into the
shoreline waters to save money in port. The Minister of Fisheries
doesn't gave a crap.

The bottom dredging is another sign of corruption in the highest levels
of our Bush-Lite administration. These people are killing all life in
the oceans for the sake of a few cents a tin.

It's sickening.


mike




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RHF June 9th 08 12:29 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 8, 10:18*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.
The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts:

Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of
marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over
because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian
government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here
are the basic facts about the hunt.

Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt?

Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to
a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98
percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of
age.

Where Are the Seals Killed?

Canada's commercial seal hunt occurs on the ice floes off Canada's
East Coast in two areas: the Gulf of St. Lawrence (west of
Newfoundland and east of the Magdalen Islands) and the
"Front" (northeast of Newfoundland).

Who Kills Seals and Why?

Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's
East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual
incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in
Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, the government
estimates there are less than 6,000 fishermen who actively participate
in the seal hunt each year.

How Are the Seals Killed?

The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt,
stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large
ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and
hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns
are more widely used.

It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably
cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are
often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada
deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole
they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once.
As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip
beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never
recovered.

Is the Seal Hunt Cruel?

Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who
studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding
humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the
seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare
standards. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of
the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while
conscious.

Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's
commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels
of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice
floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in
agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals
alive.

How Many Seals Are Killed Each Year?

Hundreds of thousands. In fact, over the past three years, nearly one
million seals have been killed. The current kill levels are higher
than they have been in half a century. During the 2006 hunt, the
Canadian government allowed fishermen to club and shoot at least
354,344 seals. The last time seals were killed at this rate—in the
1950s and '60s—the harp seal population was reduced by nearly two
thirds.

And the actual number of seals killed is probably far higher than the
number reported. Many seals are shot at and injured in the course of
the hunt, and studies suggest that a significant number of these
animals slip beneath the surface of the water, where they die slowly
and are never recovered.

Are There Any Penalties When Hunters Exceed the Government's Quota?

No. In 2002, the Canadian government knowingly allowed sealers to
exceed the quota by more than 37,000 animals. Sealers had already
killed substantially more than the quota allowed by May 15 (the
regulated closing date of the seal hunt), and yet the Minister of
Fisheries and Oceans chose to extend the sealing season until June. In
2004, sealers killed close to 16,000 seals more than the permitted
quota. Again, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans extended the
sealing season until well into June.

What Products Are Made from Seals?

Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce
fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil
(both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal
penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is
almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to
rot on the ice.

Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?

No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from
Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their
incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even
in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, revenues from the
hunt account for less than 1 percent of the province's economy and
only 2 percent of the landed value of the fishery. According to the
Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people,
less than 6,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year.

The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal
government could easily replace with economic alternatives, should it
choose to do so.

Does the Government Subsidize the Hunt?

Yes. According to reports from the Canadian Institute for Business and
the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to
the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Those subsidies came from
entities such as the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Human
Resources Development Council, and Canada Economic Development–Quebec.
These subsidies take a variety of forms, including funding the
salaries for seal processing plant workers, market research and
development trips, and capital acquisitions for processing plants. In
2004, more than $400,000 was provided by the Canadian government to
companies for the development of seal products, and as recently as
April 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard—at the taxpayer's expense—broke
through the ice for the sealing vessels as it does each year. In 2007,
the Canadian Coast Guard estimates that it spent an additional $3.5
million rescuing sealing vessels.

Moreover, Canada's commercial seal hunt is also indirectly subsidized
by the Norwegian government. A Norwegian company purchases close to
80% of the sealskins produced in Canada in any given year through its
Canadian subsidiary. These skins are shipped in an unprocessed state
directly to Norway, where they are tanned and re-exported. The
Norwegian government provides significant financial assistance to this
company each year.

Is It True Seals Are Jeopardizing the Canadian Cod Fishery?

There is no evidence to support this contention. Some fishing industry
lobby groups try to claim that seals must be culled to protect fish
stocks, but nothing could be further from the truth.

The scientific community agrees that the true cause of the depletion
of fish stocks off Canada's East Coast is human over-fishing. Blaming
seals for disappearing fish is a convenient way for the fishing
industry to divert attention from its irresponsible and
environmentally destructive practices that continue today.

In truth, seals, like all marine mammals, are a vital part of the
ecosystem of the Northwest Atlantic. Harp seals, which are the primary
target of the hunt, are opportunistic feeders, meaning they eat many
different species. So while approximately 3 percent of a harp seal's
diet may be commercially fished cod, harp seals also eat many
significant predators of cod, such as squid. That is why some
scientists are concerned that culling harp seals could further inhibit
recovery of commercially valuable fish stocks in the Northwest
Atlantic.

Are Seals Overpopulated?

No. The Canadian government and sealing industry have, at various
times, tried to claim that the harp seal population has "tripled" over
the past three decades, or that the harp seal population is
"exploding," or that seals are overpopulated.

This is misleading at best. The harp seal population in the Northwest
Atlantic is the world's largest; it is a migratory population that
spans the distance between Canada and Greenland, and is supposed to
number in the many millions.

In the 1950s and '60s, over-hunting wiped out close to two-thirds of
the harp seal population. By 1974, the population was considered to be
in serious trouble, and senior government scientists recommended
suspending the commercial hunt *for at least 10 years.

In the early 1980s, the European Union banned the import of whitecoat
seal skins, effectively removing the principal market for the hunt at
the time. For the next decade, the numbers of seals killed in the hunt
dramatically declined, and the harp seal population began to recover.

But in the 1990s, the Canadian government rejuvenated the commercial
seal hunt through massive subsidies. And with nearly one million seal
pups killed in the past three years alone, we can only wonder what the
impact will be on the harp seal population in coming years. Scientists
have already sounded the alarm regarding the poor science used by the
Canadian government to set quotas for the number of seals killed.

A list of the deceitful lies the Canadian government has spread
concerning the seal pup slaughter can be viewed athttp://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/the_truth.html


Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.]

Radioguy June 9th 08 01:33 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 7, 7:17*pm, Tex wrote:
One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can
forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of
defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy
hillside.

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - *his heart was too broken to run today.



Nonsense. The horse had been on steriods but was taken off before the
race. I suspect he we was on a steroid "downer" and could not perform
as his owners wanted.

Horse racing records are as driven by steroids as those set in
baseball and other professsional sports.



Jim was not only the best horse racing announcer ever he truly loved
horses and raised them on his farm.http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news;_yl...MaBbYkX47kF?sl...

Thank you for all the wonderful memories Mr. McKay.



Radioguy June 9th 08 01:45 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 9, 1:18*am, Tex wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.
The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts:

Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of
marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over
because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian
government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here
are the basic facts about the hunt.

Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt?

Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to
a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98
percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of
age.

Where Are the Seals Killed?
Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce
fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil
(both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal
penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is
almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to
rot on the ice.

Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?

No.



Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? I think so.

bpnjensen June 9th 08 04:07 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 9, 5:45*am, Radioguy wrote:
On Jun 9, 1:18*am, Tex wrote:





On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:


Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.
The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts:


Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of
marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over
because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian
government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here
are the basic facts about the hunt.


Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt?


Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to
a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98
percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of
age.


Where Are the Seals Killed?
Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce
fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil
(both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal
penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is
almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to
rot on the ice.


Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?


No.


Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? * I think so.-


I need neither one to live happy and healthy...and if I don't...

Bruce Jensen

dxAce June 9th 08 04:31 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 


Radioguy wrote:

On Jun 7, 7:17 pm, Tex wrote:
One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can
forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of
defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy
hillside.

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today.


Nonsense. The horse had been on steriods but was taken off before the
race. I suspect he we was on a steroid "downer" and could not perform
as his owners wanted.


It looked to me as though the jockey was holding the horse back.

I was watching the race with a gal who owns 3 horses, and that was her reaction as well.



m II June 9th 08 04:45 PM

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RHF wrote:

Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.]



The people that buy the skins are just as sick.



This should help you make up your mind:

http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/2008...g---graph.html

Why don't you help to set up a boycott in your area?



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Tex[_2_] June 10th 08 01:52 AM

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On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote:

Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? I think so.


Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live
extremely well without either. I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy
products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an
cholesterol level returned to normal and my energy level tripled.

The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating
friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages
and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are
unable to be a part of my active lifestyle.

Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the
overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today
you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check out http://www.madcowboy.com/
to learn and live healthier and longer.

Tex[_2_] June 10th 08 06:27 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 9, 1:10 am, m II wrote:

A law was passed some years ago that stopped foreign fishing within the
200 mile limit and other certain sensitive areas. Keep us happy? No. The
government now *rents* Canadian flags to foreign vessels, so no law is
being broken.

Then there is the matter of the ships dumping used oil into the
shoreline waters to save money in port. The Minister of Fisheries
doesn't gave a crap.

The bottom dredging is another sign of corruption in the highest levels
of our Bush-Lite administration. These people are killing all life in
the oceans for the sake of a few cents a tin.

It's sickening.

mike


Sickening indeed, the oceans and seas of the world have become toxic
waste dumps thanks to the actions of humans. Not satisfied to merely
poison the waters with our toxins, the navies of the world
irresponsible use of sonar also kills millions of dolphins and whales.

Recently the US Navy was ordered by the courts to cease sonar training
exercises because of the devastating effect it has on marine life. Per
usual the fascist Bush/Cheney regime ignored the decision and
exempted the US Navy from complying with the order - shouting "9-1-1"
and "national security" no doubt. How much mileage they are going to
get out that canard is unfathomable evidently.

Today I saw another news report of dolphins beaching themselves. This
time in Madagascar - 55 dolphins died.
http://www.reuters.com/article/envir...p=trueEveryone
pretends not to know why this happens but it is naval sonar. The
painful high pitch of the sonar is so painful to marine mammals it
literally drives them crazy and they lose their navigation ability.

The more I observe the actions of human beings, the more I am
convinced that the specie is the result of a cosmic mistake. The
universe will rejoice when we finally succeed in driving ourselves to
extinction. Good riddance. The tragedy will be that we will have
committed omnicide enroute to our demise.

Radioguy June 10th 08 11:45 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 9, 8:52*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote:

Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? * I think so.


Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live
extremely well without either. *I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy
products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an
cholesterol *level returned to normal and my energy level tripled.

The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating
friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages
and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are
unable to be a part of my active lifestyle.

Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the
overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today
you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/
to learn and live healthier and longer.


You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. I'm certain the
common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and
eating an imbalanced diet. I'm sure they are charter members of Couch
Potatoes International. Most of my healthy and long lived friends
consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as
fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. Don't forget our bodies have evolved
over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an
herbivore.

bpnjensen June 11th 08 08:48 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 10, 3:45*pm, Radioguy wrote:
On Jun 9, 8:52*pm, Tex wrote:





On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote:


Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? * I think so.


Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live
extremely well without either. *I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy
products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an
cholesterol *level returned to normal and my energy level tripled.


The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating
friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages
and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are
unable to be a part of my active lifestyle.


Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the
overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today
you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/
to learn and live healthier and longer.


You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. *I'm certain the
common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and
eating an imbalanced diet. *I'm sure they are charter members of Couch
Potatoes International. *Most of my healthy and long lived friends
consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as
fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. *Don't forget our bodies have evolved
over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an
herbivore.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and
anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore.
Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of
animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at
all.

Bruce Jensen

Brenda Ann June 11th 08 09:17 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
...

You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and
anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore.
Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of
animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at
all.

Bruce Jensen

Within the last single generation, meat protein has been introduced into the
larger diet here in Korea. In that single generation, body height and
strength have increased to Western levels. Unfortunately, around that same
time, Western fast food was introduced, so there are now fairly large
numbers (though nothing like in the West) of obese. It's interesting to see
20 somethings that are a full foot taller than their parents.




Tex[_2_] June 11th 08 09:40 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 10, 5:45 pm, Radioguy wrote:

You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. I'm certain the
common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and
eating an imbalanced diet. I'm sure they are charter members of Couch
Potatoes International. Most of my healthy and long lived friends
consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as
fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. Don't forget our bodies have evolved
over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an
herbivore.


You shouldn't be so certain about things you have no knowledge of.
There is nothing odd about them at all. In fact they are typical
Americans eating the typical American diet.

You also conveniently choose to ignore the fact meat eaters of years
long passed were not ingesting myriads of chemicals that are toxic to
the human system with their meats.

Growth hormones are fed to animals to make them bigger which in turn
make the animals sick which in turn leads to the giving of antibiotics
to make the animal well.

Pretend as you wish that the chemical cocktail served within the dead
flesh you eat isn't harmful but the scientific evidence refuting your
wishful thinking is overwhelming.

It is strange that people like you seem to be so bugged by the notion
that others choose not to eat meat. Personally I couldn't care less
what you eat. In fact, in your case I would even encourage you to eat
more meat. Eat pork - eat lots and lots of pork!

Tex[_2_] June 11th 08 09:55 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 11, 2:48 pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:45 pm, Radioguy wrote:



On Jun 9, 8:52 pm, Tex wrote:


On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote:


Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? I think so.


Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live
extremely well without either. I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy
products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an
cholesterol level returned to normal and my energy level tripled.


The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating
friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages
and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are
unable to be a part of my active lifestyle.


Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the
overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today
you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/
to learn and live healthier and longer.


You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. I'm certain the
common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and
eating an imbalanced diet. I'm sure they are charter members of Couch
Potatoes International. Most of my healthy and long lived friends
consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as
fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. Don't forget our bodies have evolved
over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an
herbivore.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and
anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore.
Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of
animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at
all.

Bruce Jensen


Have you ever noted how most bible thumpers refuse to acknowledge that
humans originally had a vegetarian diet (Genesis 1:29).

They don't like to talk about gluttony either, Jerry Falwell comes to
mind. Instead of being raptured up the 400 lb. slob was found laying
on the floor of his office.

RHF June 12th 08 01:11 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 11, 1:40*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 10, 5:45 pm, Radioguy wrote:

You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. *I'm certain the
common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and
eating an imbalanced diet. *I'm sure they are charter members of Couch
Potatoes International. *Most of my healthy and long lived friends
consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as
fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. *Don't forget our bodies have evolved
over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an
herbivore.


You shouldn't be so certain about things you have no knowledge of.
There is nothing odd about them at all. In fact they are typical
Americans eating the typical American diet.

You also conveniently choose to ignore the fact meat eaters of years
long passed were not ingesting myriads of chemicals that are toxic to
the human system with their meats.

Growth hormones are fed to animals to make them bigger which in turn
make the animals sick which in turn leads to the giving of antibiotics
to make the animal well.

Pretend as you wish that the chemical cocktail served within the dead
flesh you eat isn't harmful but the scientific evidence refuting your
wishful thinking is overwhelming.

It is strange that people like you seem to be so bugged by the notion
that others choose not to eat meat. Personally I couldn't care less
what you eat.


- In fact, in your case I would even encourage you to
- eat more meat. Eat pork - eat lots and lots of pork!

Tex - Aren't You in-fact Encouraging Cannibalism ? ;-) ~ RHF

[email protected] June 12th 08 02:51 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
Real PROTEIN comes from BEEF.I am not a vegetarian but I like vegies and
fruit ok,,,, along with my BEEF or PORK or FOUL or FISH.
All of the vegetarians I have ever seen before look kind of
undernourished to me.
cuhulin


m II June 12th 08 05:45 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
Tex wrote:

They don't like to talk about gluttony either, Jerry Falwell comes to
mind. Instead of being raptured up the 400 lb. slob was found laying
on the floor of his office.



Raptured? Damn...he thought it was RUPTURED. Why didn't you say
something before his insides broke?



mike


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Brenda Ann June 12th 08 09:04 AM

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"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In posted on
Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:17:28 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: Begin

Within the last single generation, meat protein has been introduced into
the
larger diet here in Korea. In that single generation, body height and
strength have increased to Western levels. Unfortunately, around that
same
time, Western fast food was introduced, so there are now fairly large
numbers (though nothing like in the West) of obese. It's interesting to
see
20 somethings that are a full foot taller than their parents.


What if the recent 80,000 strong protest in Seoul fails to maintain the
blockade and USA beef comes in, does this lower the price of hamburgers
even more, making for fatter citizens?


It seems to have worked quite well. Mad Cow phobia reigns. But I guess
that's no different than what is going on in Japan. Korea has very strong
unions. You should have seen them holler when rice began to be imported from
other countries (read, the US). Along with health paranoia, they're pretty
protective of their jobs here. They have to be. In a country roughly the
size of Indiana, with nearly 60,000,000 people, they can't afford to give
any away. There's a generational divide over whether the US military should
be here or not. The oldsters want us to stay, for the protection from the
loony of the north, and for the economic infusion of tons of $$$. If the US
military were to pull out, hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost
directly from the military support system, and indirectly from the loss of
dollars spent by the military and it's members. The youngsters want us out.
It's an understandable point of view, for kids that don't realize what it
would do to the country's economy (let's just set aside Uncle Kim).



[email protected] June 12th 08 02:07 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
In Hokkaido,Japan there are fast food joints that serve fried
Whaleburgers.
cuhulin


Tex[_2_] June 13th 08 12:49 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 9, 10:45 am, m II wrote:
RHF wrote:
Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.]


The people that buy the skins are just as sick.

This should help you make up your mind:

http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/2008...g---graph.html

Why don't you help to set up a boycott in your area?

mike


Mike:
That would actually entail some effort on his part - therefore it is
an impossibility. He's typical of his ilk - only worse.

RHF June 13th 08 09:14 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 12, 4:49*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 9, 10:45 am, m II wrote:

RHF wrote:
Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.]


The people that buy the skins are just as sick.


This should help you make up your mind:


http://blog.stopthesealhunt.com/2008...g---graph.html


Why don't you help to set up a boycott in your area?


mike


- Mike:
- That would actually entail some effort on his part
- - therefore it is an impossibility.
- He's typical of his ilk - only worse.

Tex,

You seam to have a 'special' Box with a Name Label
on it to put everyone you don't happen to like into.

i b an atypical 'ilk' ~ RHF

m II June 13th 08 05:30 PM

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RHF wrote:

You seam



Is he a tailor?




mike


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D Peter Maus June 13th 08 05:38 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 

RHF wrote:

You seam


Sew what.



dxAce June 13th 08 05:41 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 


D Peter Maus wrote:

RHF wrote:

You seam


Sew what.


Yeah, stop needleing him.



D Peter Maus June 13th 08 06:22 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

RHF wrote:

You seam

Sew what.


Yeah, stop needleing him.




Yes, I should exit the thread.


[email protected] June 13th 08 07:11 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
Have a ''cold one'' on me.
--- []

cuhulin


Radioguy June 13th 08 07:52 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 11, 3:48*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:45*pm, Radioguy wrote:





On Jun 9, 8:52*pm, Tex wrote:


On Jun 9, 7:45 am, Radioguy wrote:


Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? *It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. *You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. *We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. *They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. *Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? * I think so.


Speak for yourself. I along with millions of other healthy people live
extremely well without either. *I gave up eating dead flesh and dairy
products years ago andI lost 50 lbs., my blood pressure an
cholesterol *level returned to normal and my energy level tripled.


The only downside I can think of is I lost many of my meat eating
friends. Many have already died of ill health at relatively young ages
and the others are so bloated and out of shape and unhealthy they are
unable to be a part of my active lifestyle.


Yes the animals exact their revenge in their own way. Because of the
overuse of antibiotics, growth hormones and steroids in animals today
you are eating a toxic waste dump. Check outhttp://www.madcowboy.com/
to learn and live healthier and longer.


You have an odd selection of meat eating friends. *I'm certain the
common thread in early deaths has more to do with lack of exercise and
eating an imbalanced diet. *I'm sure they are charter members of Couch
Potatoes International. *Most of my healthy and long lived friends
consume fish, chicken, beef and pork in moderate amounts as well as
fruit, nuts, vegetables, etc. *Don't forget our bodies have evolved
over the millenia to process an omnivore diet and not that of an
herbivore.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


You might be surprised - biochemically, physiologically and
anatomically, we're a lot closer to an herbivore than an omnivore.
Nothing about our bodies indicates that we should be eating blobs of
animal protein and fat in anything but the smallest amounts, if at
all.

Bruce Jensen- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Look at your teeth - designed to tear and chew both. Our bodies have
evolved to process meat and vegetables efficiently and extract
nutrients.

Tex[_2_] June 13th 08 07:56 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
On Jun 13, 3:14 am, RHF wrote:

You seam to have a 'special' Box with a Name Label
on it to put everyone you don't happen to like into.

i b an atypical 'ilk' ~ RHF


Mike asked you a specific question, why won't you answer it?

And no I have no "special Box with a Name Label on it". Don't flatter
yourself, you aren't that important. The only time I pay any attention
to your babble is when you elbow your way into a thread.

But now that you mention it perhaps it would be appropriate to dig
that old chamber pot out of the shed and paint RHF - "Retired Half-
Assed Fool". That is what your initials stand for isn't it?


m II June 13th 08 11:33 PM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
D Peter Maus wrote:
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

RHF wrote:

You seam
Sew what.


Yeah, stop needleing him.




Yes, I should exit the thread.


Nah..It's keeping me in stitches....



mike

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John Barnard June 14th 08 01:27 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
D Peter Maus wrote:
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

RHF wrote:

You seam
Sew what.


Yeah, stop needleing him.




Yes, I should exit the thread.


Button it up, you guys!

JB


[email protected] June 14th 08 01:45 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
Some people say some things come in threes.Jim Mckay, Tim Russert,,,,
Who is next?
cuhulin


m II June 14th 08 07:35 AM

(OT) Jim Mckay RIP
 
John Barnard wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

RHF wrote:

You seam
Sew what.

Yeah, stop needleing him.




Yes, I should exit the thread.


Button it up, you guys!


You deserved to be cuffed for that one.


mike

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