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One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can
forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of
defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy
hillside.

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today.

Jim was not only the best horse racing announcer ever he truly loved
horses and raised them on his farm.
http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Thank you for all the wonderful memories Mr. McKay.
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Tex wrote:

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - his heart was too broken to run today.


Heartbroken? Sensed the death of a broadcaster?

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


================================
Trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. revealed that the Kentucky Derby and Preakness
winner is battling a quarter crack on the inside of his left front hoof
that will force the colt to miss several days of training.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...riple_cro.html

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On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.
The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts:

Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of
marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over
because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian
government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here
are the basic facts about the hunt.

Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt?

Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to
a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98
percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of
age.

Where Are the Seals Killed?

Canada's commercial seal hunt occurs on the ice floes off Canada's
East Coast in two areas: the Gulf of St. Lawrence (west of
Newfoundland and east of the Magdalen Islands) and the
"Front" (northeast of Newfoundland).

Who Kills Seals and Why?

Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's
East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual
incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in
Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, the government
estimates there are less than 6,000 fishermen who actively participate
in the seal hunt each year.

How Are the Seals Killed?

The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt,
stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large
ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and
hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns
are more widely used.



It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably
cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are
often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada
deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole
they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once.
As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip
beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never
recovered.

Is the Seal Hunt Cruel?

Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who
studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding
humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the
seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare
standards. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of
the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while
conscious.

Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's
commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels
of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice
floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in
agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals
alive.

How Many Seals Are Killed Each Year?

Hundreds of thousands. In fact, over the past three years, nearly one
million seals have been killed. The current kill levels are higher
than they have been in half a century. During the 2006 hunt, the
Canadian government allowed fishermen to club and shoot at least
354,344 seals. The last time seals were killed at this rate—in the
1950s and '60s—the harp seal population was reduced by nearly two
thirds.

And the actual number of seals killed is probably far higher than the
number reported. Many seals are shot at and injured in the course of
the hunt, and studies suggest that a significant number of these
animals slip beneath the surface of the water, where they die slowly
and are never recovered.

Are There Any Penalties When Hunters Exceed the Government's Quota?

No. In 2002, the Canadian government knowingly allowed sealers to
exceed the quota by more than 37,000 animals. Sealers had already
killed substantially more than the quota allowed by May 15 (the
regulated closing date of the seal hunt), and yet the Minister of
Fisheries and Oceans chose to extend the sealing season until June. In
2004, sealers killed close to 16,000 seals more than the permitted
quota. Again, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans extended the
sealing season until well into June.

What Products Are Made from Seals?

Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce
fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil
(both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal
penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is
almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to
rot on the ice.

Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?

No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from
Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their
incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even
in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, revenues from the
hunt account for less than 1 percent of the province's economy and
only 2 percent of the landed value of the fishery. According to the
Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people,
less than 6,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year.

The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal
government could easily replace with economic alternatives, should it
choose to do so.

Does the Government Subsidize the Hunt?

Yes. According to reports from the Canadian Institute for Business and
the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to
the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Those subsidies came from
entities such as the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Human
Resources Development Council, and Canada Economic Development–Quebec.
These subsidies take a variety of forms, including funding the
salaries for seal processing plant workers, market research and
development trips, and capital acquisitions for processing plants. In
2004, more than $400,000 was provided by the Canadian government to
companies for the development of seal products, and as recently as
April 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard—at the taxpayer's expense—broke
through the ice for the sealing vessels as it does each year. In 2007,
the Canadian Coast Guard estimates that it spent an additional $3.5
million rescuing sealing vessels.

Moreover, Canada's commercial seal hunt is also indirectly subsidized
by the Norwegian government. A Norwegian company purchases close to
80% of the sealskins produced in Canada in any given year through its
Canadian subsidiary. These skins are shipped in an unprocessed state
directly to Norway, where they are tanned and re-exported. The
Norwegian government provides significant financial assistance to this
company each year.

Is It True Seals Are Jeopardizing the Canadian Cod Fishery?

There is no evidence to support this contention. Some fishing industry
lobby groups try to claim that seals must be culled to protect fish
stocks, but nothing could be further from the truth.

The scientific community agrees that the true cause of the depletion
of fish stocks off Canada's East Coast is human over-fishing. Blaming
seals for disappearing fish is a convenient way for the fishing
industry to divert attention from its irresponsible and
environmentally destructive practices that continue today.

In truth, seals, like all marine mammals, are a vital part of the
ecosystem of the Northwest Atlantic. Harp seals, which are the primary
target of the hunt, are opportunistic feeders, meaning they eat many
different species. So while approximately 3 percent of a harp seal's
diet may be commercially fished cod, harp seals also eat many
significant predators of cod, such as squid. That is why some
scientists are concerned that culling harp seals could further inhibit
recovery of commercially valuable fish stocks in the Northwest
Atlantic.

Are Seals Overpopulated?

No. The Canadian government and sealing industry have, at various
times, tried to claim that the harp seal population has "tripled" over
the past three decades, or that the harp seal population is
"exploding," or that seals are overpopulated.

This is misleading at best. The harp seal population in the Northwest
Atlantic is the world's largest; it is a migratory population that
spans the distance between Canada and Greenland, and is supposed to
number in the many millions.

In the 1950s and '60s, over-hunting wiped out close to two-thirds of
the harp seal population. By 1974, the population was considered to be
in serious trouble, and senior government scientists recommended
suspending the commercial hunt for at least 10 years.

In the early 1980s, the European Union banned the import of whitecoat
seal skins, effectively removing the principal market for the hunt at
the time. For the next decade, the numbers of seals killed in the hunt
dramatically declined, and the harp seal population began to recover.

But in the 1990s, the Canadian government rejuvenated the commercial
seal hunt through massive subsidies. And with nearly one million seal
pups killed in the past three years alone, we can only wonder what the
impact will be on the harp seal population in coming years. Scientists
have already sounded the alarm regarding the poor science used by the
Canadian government to set quotas for the number of seals killed.

A list of the deceitful lies the Canadian government has spread
concerning the seal pup slaughter can be viewed at
http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...the_truth.html
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Tex wrote:

On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.



I am well aware of the atrocity called the seal hunt. Below is a copy of
a posting I made here some months ago.

My response starts at the
asterisks.

==================================
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
From: m II
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:25:34 GMT
Local: Tues, Jul 4 2006 11:25 pm
Subject: Burning the Canadian Flag on the 1st of July - For the Baby
Seals !


bpnjensen wrote:
RHF wrote:


Maybe Every Good PETA Member should
Burn the Canadian Flag on the 1st of July
- For the Baby Seals !


I do believe that there is a place in Hell reserved for the people who
perpetuate this atrocity - and the Flag of Canada flies over it.


*********
I hope there IS a very special place for these people. All of them, from
the rag trade pimps around the world to the Hollywood bimbos who buy the
crap. I wonder how many pieces of silver crossed our politician's palms
to let the outrage continue.

mike
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On Jun 9, 12:29 am, m II wrote:

I am well aware of the atrocity called the seal hunt. Below is a copy of
a posting I made here some months ago.


Very good, I commend you for your advocacy to stop animal cruelty.
Hopefully you are doing much more to end the seal slaughter than
merely posting responses in this newsgroup.

I've recently learned that the Canadian government has resorted to
piracy on the high seas to censor coverage of the slaughter. See
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080425_1.html

This is outrageous and unacceptable behavior, something one would
expect from Stalinist North Korea not Canada.

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Tex wrote:


I've recently learned that the Canadian government has resorted to
piracy on the high seas to censor coverage of the slaughter. See
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080425_1.html


A law was passed some years ago that stopped foreign fishing within the
200 mile limit and other certain sensitive areas. Keep us happy? No. The
government now *rents* Canadian flags to foreign vessels, so no law is
being broken.

Then there is the matter of the ships dumping used oil into the
shoreline waters to save money in port. The Minister of Fisheries
doesn't gave a crap.

The bottom dredging is another sign of corruption in the highest levels
of our Bush-Lite administration. These people are killing all life in
the oceans for the sake of a few cents a tin.

It's sickening.


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On Jun 8, 10:18*pm, Tex wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.
The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts:

Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of
marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over
because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian
government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here
are the basic facts about the hunt.

Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt?

Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to
a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98
percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of
age.

Where Are the Seals Killed?

Canada's commercial seal hunt occurs on the ice floes off Canada's
East Coast in two areas: the Gulf of St. Lawrence (west of
Newfoundland and east of the Magdalen Islands) and the
"Front" (northeast of Newfoundland).

Who Kills Seals and Why?

Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's
East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual
incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in
Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, the government
estimates there are less than 6,000 fishermen who actively participate
in the seal hunt each year.

How Are the Seals Killed?

The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt,
stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large
ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and
hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns
are more widely used.

It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably
cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are
often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada
deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole
they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once.
As a result, wounded seals are often left to suffer in agony—many slip
beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never
recovered.

Is the Seal Hunt Cruel?

Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who
studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding
humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the
seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare
standards. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42 percent of
the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while
conscious.

Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's
commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels
of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice
floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in
agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals
alive.

How Many Seals Are Killed Each Year?

Hundreds of thousands. In fact, over the past three years, nearly one
million seals have been killed. The current kill levels are higher
than they have been in half a century. During the 2006 hunt, the
Canadian government allowed fishermen to club and shoot at least
354,344 seals. The last time seals were killed at this rate—in the
1950s and '60s—the harp seal population was reduced by nearly two
thirds.

And the actual number of seals killed is probably far higher than the
number reported. Many seals are shot at and injured in the course of
the hunt, and studies suggest that a significant number of these
animals slip beneath the surface of the water, where they die slowly
and are never recovered.

Are There Any Penalties When Hunters Exceed the Government's Quota?

No. In 2002, the Canadian government knowingly allowed sealers to
exceed the quota by more than 37,000 animals. Sealers had already
killed substantially more than the quota allowed by May 15 (the
regulated closing date of the seal hunt), and yet the Minister of
Fisheries and Oceans chose to extend the sealing season until June. In
2004, sealers killed close to 16,000 seals more than the permitted
quota. Again, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans extended the
sealing season until well into June.

What Products Are Made from Seals?

Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce
fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil
(both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal
penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is
almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to
rot on the ice.

Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?

No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from
Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their
incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even
in Newfoundland, where 90 percent of sealers live, revenues from the
hunt account for less than 1 percent of the province's economy and
only 2 percent of the landed value of the fishery. According to the
Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people,
less than 6,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year.

The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal
government could easily replace with economic alternatives, should it
choose to do so.

Does the Government Subsidize the Hunt?

Yes. According to reports from the Canadian Institute for Business and
the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to
the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Those subsidies came from
entities such as the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Human
Resources Development Council, and Canada Economic Development–Quebec.
These subsidies take a variety of forms, including funding the
salaries for seal processing plant workers, market research and
development trips, and capital acquisitions for processing plants. In
2004, more than $400,000 was provided by the Canadian government to
companies for the development of seal products, and as recently as
April 2007, the Canadian Coast Guard—at the taxpayer's expense—broke
through the ice for the sealing vessels as it does each year. In 2007,
the Canadian Coast Guard estimates that it spent an additional $3.5
million rescuing sealing vessels.

Moreover, Canada's commercial seal hunt is also indirectly subsidized
by the Norwegian government. A Norwegian company purchases close to
80% of the sealskins produced in Canada in any given year through its
Canadian subsidiary. These skins are shipped in an unprocessed state
directly to Norway, where they are tanned and re-exported. The
Norwegian government provides significant financial assistance to this
company each year.

Is It True Seals Are Jeopardizing the Canadian Cod Fishery?

There is no evidence to support this contention. Some fishing industry
lobby groups try to claim that seals must be culled to protect fish
stocks, but nothing could be further from the truth.

The scientific community agrees that the true cause of the depletion
of fish stocks off Canada's East Coast is human over-fishing. Blaming
seals for disappearing fish is a convenient way for the fishing
industry to divert attention from its irresponsible and
environmentally destructive practices that continue today.

In truth, seals, like all marine mammals, are a vital part of the
ecosystem of the Northwest Atlantic. Harp seals, which are the primary
target of the hunt, are opportunistic feeders, meaning they eat many
different species. So while approximately 3 percent of a harp seal's
diet may be commercially fished cod, harp seals also eat many
significant predators of cod, such as squid. That is why some
scientists are concerned that culling harp seals could further inhibit
recovery of commercially valuable fish stocks in the Northwest
Atlantic.

Are Seals Overpopulated?

No. The Canadian government and sealing industry have, at various
times, tried to claim that the harp seal population has "tripled" over
the past three decades, or that the harp seal population is
"exploding," or that seals are overpopulated.

This is misleading at best. The harp seal population in the Northwest
Atlantic is the world's largest; it is a migratory population that
spans the distance between Canada and Greenland, and is supposed to
number in the many millions.

In the 1950s and '60s, over-hunting wiped out close to two-thirds of
the harp seal population. By 1974, the population was considered to be
in serious trouble, and senior government scientists recommended
suspending the commercial hunt *for at least 10 years.

In the early 1980s, the European Union banned the import of whitecoat
seal skins, effectively removing the principal market for the hunt at
the time. For the next decade, the numbers of seals killed in the hunt
dramatically declined, and the harp seal population began to recover.

But in the 1990s, the Canadian government rejuvenated the commercial
seal hunt through massive subsidies. And with nearly one million seal
pups killed in the past three years alone, we can only wonder what the
impact will be on the harp seal population in coming years. Scientists
have already sounded the alarm regarding the poor science used by the
Canadian government to set quotas for the number of seals killed.

A list of the deceitful lies the Canadian government has spread
concerning the seal pup slaughter can be viewed athttp://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/the_truth.html


Canadian Seal Hunters : Sick *******s [.]
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On Jun 7, 7:17*pm, Tex wrote:
One of the best. Grew up watching the Wide World of Sports and who can
forget Jim McKay's intro "the thrill of victory and the agony of
defeat" as the skier plummeted head over heels down the snowy
hillside.

The sad irony is he passed on the same day Big Brown was attempting to
win the triple crown in the Belmont Stakes. Big Brown must have sensed
Jim's death - *his heart was too broken to run today.



Nonsense. The horse had been on steriods but was taken off before the
race. I suspect he we was on a steroid "downer" and could not perform
as his owners wanted.

Horse racing records are as driven by steroids as those set in
baseball and other professsional sports.



Jim was not only the best horse racing announcer ever he truly loved
horses and raised them on his farm.http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news;_yl...MaBbYkX47kF?sl...

Thank you for all the wonderful memories Mr. McKay.


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On Jun 9, 1:18*am, Tex wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:27 pm, m II wrote:

Give me a break. The owners wanted some quick prize money, so they ran
the animal on glued together hoof.


Your indignation about the treatment of animals is extremely
selective. Please harness your energy and end the annual Canadian seal
pup slaughter in which Canadians club the defenseless pups to death
for money.
The United States Humane Society has uncovered the following facts:

Canada's annual commercial seal hunt is the largest commercial hunt of
marine mammals on the planet. Facing harsh criticism the world over
because of the hunt's cruelty and unsustainability, the Canadian
government and fishing industry have spread much misinformation. Here
are the basic facts about the hunt.

Which Seals Are Targeted by Canada's Seal Hunt?

Harp seals are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt, and to
a much smaller extent, hooded seals are also killed. In 2006, 98
percent of the harp seals killed were pups under just three months of
age.

Where Are the Seals Killed?
Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce
fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil
(both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal
penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is
almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to
rot on the ice.

Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?

No.



Ever seen how chickens, fish, crabs, cows, pigs, sheep end up in nice
plastic wrapped packages at the supermarket? It's quite a process to
go from living critter to fillet. You should visit a feeding
operation, commercial fisher, slaughter house and packer for a real
eyeful. We are using animals for our purposes and it really doesn't
matter whether it is a cute fuzzy little fur seal, sleek dolphin, ugly
cod or rangy horse. They are all dead and the way they got to that
state is not pretty. Do we really need things like leather shoes and
meat? I think so.
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