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Move Am's to channels 5&6?
"KaitoWRX911" wrote in message ... On Aug 9, 10:53?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "KaitoWRX911" wrote in message ... The clear channels don't generally cover much that is not covered by dozens of FMs in and around each market the 25 original 1 A clears today. At night, the AM channels have so much interference that they don't cover much that is not covered by FMs, too. And in any case, night radio listening is very low... about 10% of all radio listening. So saying people are dependent on the clear channel stations when, in fact, there is scant listening to stations outside their metro areas, is exaggeration. There is some, but it is almost statistically insignificant today. Almost 50% of radio listening is done in cars - almost zero at home. The truth is that in-car averages about 30%, with the low being around 24% in New York City and the highs in long-commute markets like LA where it is around 32%. At work and in home account for a bit over a third each. Bridge Ratings Industry Study : In-Car Media Use A company that is no longer around vs. 43 years of Arbitron studies in, currently, over 280 markets? Bridge had a sample of about 1000. Arbitron surveys three or 4 million a year. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
On Aug 9, 3:36*am, wrote:
On Aug 7, 1:53*pm, RHF wrote: On Aug 7, 7:39*am, m II wrote: Dave wrote: What about places where FM doesn't work? *AM radio is all we got. I should have been clearer in my posting. If they move anything out of the AM band, it should be only the IBOC noise makers. All the normal AM stations stay exactly where they are. In my own case, I listen to more AM than FM. I can't help but think that moving the whole of the AM band to another venue will be nothing more than a money grab, with pay as you go subscription cards. mike -- The AM/MW Radio Band in the USA needs to have the number of Radio Stations reduced by Half to 2/3rds or even down to 1/4th. Move the excess AM/MW Radio Stations to an expanded FM Radio Band that is All Digital. ~ RHF * I think everyone would agree that medium wave is badly overcrowded, especially if you listen to the jumbled mess you can often hear at night. However, given the MASSIVE duplication of programming content on AM radio -- especially at night when you can't swing a dead cat without hearing "Coast to Coast AM" on about a zillion different stations, but even during the daytime with syndicated shows being found on multiple places on the dial almost anywhere you go, why not just get rid of the excess stations? - If a station doesn't carry some minimum of locally-produced - content, why not just cancel their license? * Right-On ! It's hard to argue that being the third or fourth station in a market to carry Sean Hannity or Doctor Laura is in the public interest in any significant way. *It's just wasting spectrum. *If the stations can't come up with their own content, they should go dark and leave room for stations that can. Problem solved. *And better programming results when the remaining stations serve their communities. Simple!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Is Talk Radio Really Full of Hate and Lies ?
On Aug 9, 9:44*am, Drifter wrote:
wrote: On Aug 7, 1:53 pm, RHF wrote: On Aug 7, 7:39 am, m II wrote: Dave wrote: What about places where FM doesn't work? *AM radio is all we got. I should have been clearer in my posting. If they move anything out of the AM band, it should be only the IBOC noise makers. All the normal AM stations stay exactly where they are. In my own case, I listen to more AM than FM. I can't help but think that moving the whole of the AM band to another venue will be nothing more than a money grab, with pay as you go subscription cards. mike -- The AM/MW Radio Band in the USA needs to have the number of Radio Stations reduced by Half to 2/3rds or even down to 1/4th. Move the excess AM/MW Radio Stations to an expanded FM Radio Band that is All Digital. ~ RHF I think everyone would agree that medium wave is badly overcrowded, especially if you listen to the jumbled mess you can often hear at night. I wouldn't say overcrowded, it more conditions. 30 years ago, night- time was all about the clears, and most local were low power at night. However, given the MASSIVE duplication of programming content on AM radio -- especially at night when you can't swing a dead cat without hearing "Coast to Coast AM" on about a zillion different stations, but even during the daytime with syndicated shows being found on multiple places on the dial almost anywhere you go, why not just get rid of the excess stations? Duplication is the main trouble today. the only difference with the locals is news and sponsor spots. my fav local is a little 5Kw daylight and 500w night. it can be a bit hard to pull in, but programing is about 80% local. mom and pop style station. If a station doesn't carry some minimum of locally-produced content, why not just cancel their license? *It's hard to argue that being the third or fourth station in a market to carry Sean Hannity or Doctor Laura is in the public interest in any significant way. *It's just wasting spectrum. *If the stations can't come up with their own content, they should go dark and leave room for stations that can. you right and i'm all for that. - i get so tired of the hate and lies on talk radio. I am getting so tired of the Hate and Lies about Talk Radio. Can't Stand Someone Else's Opinion {View-Point} - - - Call It Hate ! Disagree with the 'other' Half of the Facts {Full-Picture} - - - Call Them Lies ! Problem solved. *And better programming results when the remaining stations serve their communities. Simple! Drifter...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
(OT) : Mike -proclaims- Talk Radio - It's Junk Information
On Aug 9, 10:23*am, m II wrote:
Drifter wrote: you right and i'm all for that. i get so tired of the hate and lies on talk radio. And it comes from both sides of the political scene. The Hosts on those shows are just entertainers. It is in their own interest to get the audience worked up. If that takes mis-representation or sensationalism to do, that is what they do. - It's junk information. - Talk radio is to Truth as Pro wrestling is to Sport. - - mike Can't Stand Someone Else's Opinion {View-Point} - - - Call It Hate ! Disagree with the 'other' Half of the Facts {Full-Picture} - - - Call Them Lies ! |
(OT) : Mike -proclaims- Talk Radio - It's Junk Information
RHF wrote:
Can't Stand Someone Else's Opinion {View-Point} - - - Call It Hate ! Disagree with the 'other' Half of the Facts {Full-Picture} - - - Call Them Lies ! That is exactly what they do. You have a keen eye. That sort of talk gets the listening audience all worked up. They tell their friends. The Talk Show host prays that he gets a bigger audience. No audience, no talk show host. mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\ \/This space for rent/\ \/ /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ Densa International© 'Think tanks cleaned cheap' Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, Google Groups or HOTMAIL address. I also filter everything from a .cn server. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
On Aug 9, 4:44*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Art Harris" wrote in message .... wrote: *A group made up primarily of broadcast consulting engineers proposes a new use for TV Channels 5 and 6 in the United States once their occupants migrate to digital. It recommends the reallocation of part of that spectrum for the use of the country's AM stations. Many rural areas of the country are dependent on 50kw clear channel AM stations for basic news and entertainment. 75MHz AM stations aren't going to cut it. The clear channels don't generally cover much that is not covered by dozens of FMs in and around each market the 25 original 1 A clears today. At night, the AM channels have so much interference that they don't cover much that is not covered by FMs, too. And in any case, night radio listening is very low... about 10% of all radio listening. So saying people are dependent on the clear channel stations when, in fact, there is scant listening to stations outside their metro areas, is exaggeration. There is some, but it is almost statistically insignificant today. You are so full of it Eduardo. I invite you to talk to any group manager in radio. I can't imagine any of them saying anything different, - because we all live by the same metrics - and information and sales realities. Sales Reaities are NOT Listener Realities. the only 'metric' i need is my ears ~ RHF |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... I can't imagine any of them saying anything different, because we all live by the same metrics and information and sales realities. You live in a reality of your own making. It's the reality of our entire industry. The "reality" of your "industry" is that when you try to run it like a factory you ruin the product. You make crap because you have no idea what you're doing. You forget the intangibles and let the number crunchers pick the songs. You have no one to blame but yourselves. Huh? In markets like LA, the one you are in, all the significant stations let the listeners pick the music. And there is an incredible amount of talent on the air, doing spontaneous, live and entertaining radio. Letting the listeners pick the music insures a "closed system" that never takes chances or breaks new ground. Radio should "lead" not "follow". |
(OT) : Mike -proclaims- Talk Radio - It's Junk Information
RHF wrote:
On Aug 9, 10:23 am, m II wrote: Drifter wrote: you right and i'm all for that. i get so tired of the hate and lies on talk radio. And it comes from both sides of the political scene. The Hosts on those shows are just entertainers. It is in their own interest to get the audience worked up. If that takes mis-representation or sensationalism to do, that is what they do. - It's junk information. - Talk radio is to Truth as Pro wrestling is to Sport. - - mike Can't Stand Someone Else's Opinion {View-Point} - - - Call It Hate ! Disagree with the 'other' Half of the Facts {Full-Picture} - - - Call Them Lies ! . one man's junk information . . . is another man's treasured truth ~ RHF . -ps- radio just listen and you will hear . If a visceral contempt for government (i. e. "the people") and an unchecked willingness to sell off the commons to the highest bidder doesn't equal "hate", what does? |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
David Eduardo wrote:
If a station doesn't carry some minimum of locally-produced content, why not just cancel their license? In a multi-station market, why is this necessary? If there is a need for it, some station will fulfill it. Otherwise, there is no need. Radio should foster a sense of "community". The NAB is always claiming AM/FM have (has?) a "local" advantage vs. satellite and web radio; put up or shut-up. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... I can't imagine any of them saying anything different, because we all live by the same metrics and information and sales realities. You live in a reality of your own making. It's the reality of our entire industry. The "reality" of your "industry" is that when you try to run it like a factory you ruin the product. You make crap because you have no idea what you're doing. You forget the intangibles and let the number crunchers pick the songs. You have no one to blame but yourselves. Huh? In markets like LA, the one you are in, all the significant stations let the listeners pick the music. And there is an incredible amount of talent on the air, doing spontaneous, live and entertaining radio. Letting the listeners pick the music insures a "closed system" that never takes chances or breaks new ground. Radio should "lead" not "follow". On new songs, the programmers pick, and then follow up very soon with inquiries to the listeners. If they don't like the new songs, they are eliminated. In today's moment by moment audience measurement, there is no way to play unfamiliar or unusual music. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
David Eduardo wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ... - because we all live by the same metrics - and information and sales realities. Sales Reaities are NOT Listener Realities. Actually, they are pretty much the same. No listeners, no sales results, no sales. Serve the listener well, and you will be able to sell well if you have a decent staff. It sounds like a hellish cycle of life. Surely you can do better. I liked radio better when it was run by newspaper dynasties and eccentric old coots. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ... - because we all live by the same metrics - and information and sales realities. Sales Reaities are NOT Listener Realities. Actually, they are pretty much the same. No listeners, no sales results, no sales. Serve the listener well, and you will be able to sell well if you have a decent staff. It sounds like a hellish cycle of life. Surely you can do better. I liked radio better when it was run by newspaper dynasties and eccentric old coots. You likely were not alive when there was any significant newspaper ownership of radio. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ... - because we all live by the same metrics - and information and sales realities. Sales Reaities are NOT Listener Realities. Actually, they are pretty much the same. No listeners, no sales results, no sales. Serve the listener well, and you will be able to sell well if you have a decent staff. It sounds like a hellish cycle of life. Surely you can do better. I liked radio better when it was run by newspaper dynasties and eccentric old coots. You likely were not alive when there was any significant newspaper ownership of radio. I remember when the Chronicle ownership was the same as KTRH and KLOL's. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/196608/houston-press/2 As was the Post's and KPRC. Now all 3 stations suck and all 3 are owned by Clear Channel. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... I can't imagine any of them saying anything different, because we all live by the same metrics and information and sales realities. You live in a reality of your own making. It's the reality of our entire industry. The "reality" of your "industry" is that when you try to run it like a factory you ruin the product. You make crap because you have no idea what you're doing. You forget the intangibles and let the number crunchers pick the songs. You have no one to blame but yourselves. Huh? In markets like LA, the one you are in, all the significant stations let the listeners pick the music. And there is an incredible amount of talent on the air, doing spontaneous, live and entertaining radio. But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Occasionally, PD's I've worked for have taken a chance, and added 'out of the box.' In one case, a test pressing, hand delivered from the record label on the next block. And more often than not, these wild card tunes blew holes in the dial. Such was the result with a PD who knew his audience better than B-A, Lund, or even, dare I say it...you. What wears so thin, now, is that I can turn on the radio and hear hot, new tunes that don't sound any different than anything else that's been on the air in the last 18 months. Even the talk is all the same. Not just the same topic, but the same spin...the same opinions about the topic. Nothing I don't already know and haven't already heard up and down the dial. So, you're making your numbers. Wonderful. Spend it wisely. But what I have been asking, what Telamon, Rickets, RHF and the rest of us have been wondering is, when do are you going to do something for the listeners? Jeff Davis used to tell me that all program directors share the same brain cell. Nowhere is that more apparent than on the radio, today. And nowhere is it more apparent that it's going to exact a terrible price in the years to come as more and more young people abandon radio, entirely. I've said, and you've agreed, that Radio, in the US, is always about the money. Always been. But along the way, it's been about US,too. Those of us with our ears tuned, our wallets open....but all you've been able to vomit up in this group is what benefits YOU. What's good for the numbers. Research. Ratings. Advertisers. Numbers, numbers, numbers. All benefitting you. And only benefitting you. We matter, too, you know. And don't give me that same tired noise about listeners mean advertisers, and revenue, so we must be drawing listeners. You and I both know that if you only have 5 stations in town, your listening is going to be done to 5 stations. Listeners tune what's available. They accept. And while they may accept what's now available, the indications are that the future holds a very big surprise for Radio as the audience finds alternatives that don't treat them like Maxwellian points on a sales curve. Stan Freberg had it right in 1958. Money trumps everything else. And, as much as I like a Green Life$tyle, there are other things of importance, as well. Something that's been discussed, now, for years...by the public about the media. Not just the old gasbags on this newsgroup, but the rest of the listening universe out there, who've simply resigned themselves to taking the homogenized pablum they're given, and making empty-eyed raves about it in exchange for a tasteless slogan on a T-shirt. Who's showing them the potential of Radio. The theatre of the mind. The ability to bring new sound. New ideas. New blood. Instead, we get overresearched playlists. Overresearched personality types. Overresearched formatics. All homogenized into 5 radio stations cloned across the nation. The very definition of creativity is that the creative product hasn't been seen or heard before. When does THAT start? Because that hasn't been the case since John Sebastian ****ed up KHJ. When do we hear something we've not heard before? Because until THAT happens....it's just what Spike O'Dell calls 'that kind of radio up and down the dial.' The radio you describe may be live, but it's anything but spontaneous...and rarely entertaining. It's radio that's good for YOU. It meets YOUR needs. But those listeners...they're just bodies. Just books of numbers. You need to see beyond the revenue stream. Until you see us as individuals...listeners...human beings....even allies...until you take your head out of your research, and your P&L's and PPM figures, and look around you.... Until you see the human factors...beyond the numbers...your message, here, will continue to fall on deaf ears. And that's a shame. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play currents add new songs with a certain regularity. These are always songs listeners have never heard, since promo copies, even with the internet, get to radio before anyone else. Stations try to find songs that will sount right for the format but will also give variety. Very often on the three separate times I have filled in as acting PD of an LA AC, I have looked at what we are playing as currents and then looked at potential adds for songs that do not sound too much like the bulk of the list. That means looking for songs that add variety and differentiation. Obviously, the songs picked have to satisfy the PDs perception of what the listener wants. Of course, after a hundred or so plays, we let the listener tell us if they are starting to like the song. Most stations do the same thing. The reason is that the last 50 years of top 40 and contemporary formats ranging from alternative to country have shown us that doing it any other way does not work. Some of us have tried it themselves and learned a lessorn... or been fired... or we have watched others do it.. Occasionally, PD's I've worked for have taken a chance, and added 'out of the box.' In one case, a test pressing, hand delivered from the record label on the next block. And more often than not, these wild card tunes blew holes in the dial. Such was the result with a PD who knew his audience better than B-A, Lund, or even, dare I say it...you. Adding a song does one thing, as we have seen in 6 years of PPM.. it drives listeners away. So we add songs because we know the list needs refreshing, but we place the songs in between very high scoreing songs... and we stll see listener loss on every new song. BA is a Smooth Jazz consultant / syndicator, but mostly a research company. I don't even know of any stations Lund has consulted. You have not even come close to the major consultants in the US. We've all played test pressings and been first on something... I was the first to play Julio Iglesias outside Spain, for example. But when I did it, I knew our main job was to play the listeners' favorite songs and have entertaining jocks and good newscasts because I am not in the record business and my job has always been to help sell spots, not records. What wears so thin, now, is that I can turn on the radio and hear hot, new tunes that don't sound any different than anything else that's been on the air in the last 18 months. I could say the same for almost all top 40 music from about 1956 to 1964. It sounded the same, and the "innovations" were redocoration, not innovation. So, you're making your numbers. Wonderful. Spend it wisely. But what I have been asking, what Telamon, Rickets, RHF and the rest of us have been wondering is, when do are you going to do something for the listeners? In my case, we are providing more than just juke boxes with antennas.... live talent 24/7, training talent daily, morning shows that interview Obama as well as recording artists. Innovative new formats on occasion. Jeff Davis used to tell me that all program directors share the same brain cell. Nowhere is that more apparent than on the radio, today. And nowhere is it more apparent that it's going to exact a terrible price in the years to come as more and more young people abandon radio, entirely. Our strongest cell in 18-34. We aren't losing listeners because we are more than, as I said, a jukebox. Who's showing them the potential of Radio. The theatre of the mind. The ability to bring new sound. New ideas. New blood. Look at who is not declining in revenue. The answer is there... where listenership is not off, and there is lots of innovation. Instead, we get overresearched playlists. Overresearched personality types. Overresearched formatics. All homogenized into 5 radio stations cloned across the nation. You can not talk too much to the listener. Talking to the listener is the definition of research. So what you are saying is not to listen to the listener and make decisions unilaterally... which is the height of arrogance. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play.... Yada, yada, yada.... You make my point for me....you speak only out of your books. What's good for you. And you address nothing. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
Most stations that play currents add new songs with a certain regularity. These are always songs listeners have never heard, since promo copies, even with the internet, get to radio before anyone else. Stations try to find songs that will sount right for the format but will also give variety. Very often on the three separate times I have filled in as acting PD of an LA AC, I have looked at what we are playing as currents and then looked at potential adds for songs that do not sound too much like the bulk of the list. That means looking for songs that add variety and differentiation. The magic doesn't happen in the top markets. Places like Phoenix and San Antonio are much more cutting edge. I played a test pressing of "I Can See for Miles" that was delivered by courier on a Saturday night without even asking McMahon's permission first. |
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D Peter Maus wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play.... Yada, yada, yada.... You make my point for me....you speak only out of your books. What's good for you. And you address nothing. That's our 'Eduardo'! |
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dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play.... Yada, yada, yada.... You make my point for me....you speak only out of your books. What's good for you. And you address nothing. That's our 'Eduardo'! Morning Ace. NOT my eduardo, i treat him like RHF, into the "bit bucket". ya-know, now that i think of it; they both act like know-it-all, irritant, argumentative, and arrogant. could be the same person. Drifter... |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Drifter" wrote in message ... wrote: I wouldn't say overcrowded, it more conditions. 30 years ago, night- time was all about the clears, and most local were low power at night. There is practically no difference in night operation of AM in either quantity or power of stations between 1978 and today. 30 years ago you could hear WLS in Los Angeles. You still can when the UT station is off. The changes that have taken place are all about the overall noise levels, not with the stations themselves. If WLS could still be heard in LA, if not for the co-channel interference, then how could the overall noise level be the problem? Frank Dresser |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message ... There is practically no difference in night operation of AM in either quantity or power of stations between 1978 and today. How many daytimers were allowed to go to 24 hour operation in the 70s and 80s? One example is WJJD which started wiping out KSL's very listenable nighttime signal in Chicago during that time period. The clears were broken down by the FCC in the 70's, and along with that came the new rules on protection that allowed quite a few stations to add or improve night service. Ah, the 70s. Quite a few did add to co channel interference back then. That's just how I remember it. I'd also question if the listenership to KSL in Chicago was over 12 people anyway. Remember, JJD signed off at sunset in SLC, which was in summer late at night in Chicago. Since overall radio listening, since the 50's, has mostly been 6 AM to 7 PM, who would possibly be listening at that hour to KSL? Some, not many. I'd be surprised if any were considering products from the Salt Lake City advertisers. In general, my statement stands. The band is only minutely different today from what it was in 1978. So, It's just a semantic debate on the significance of words like "quite a few" and "minutely". Frank Dresser |
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"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... Some, not many. I'd be surprised if any were considering products from the Salt Lake City advertisers. I always wanted to buy a sound system from Standard Audio "Where quality is a tradition". |
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On Aug 11, 4:37*am, Drifter wrote:
dxAce wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: * *But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play.... * *Yada, yada, yada.... * *You make my point for me....you speak only out of your books. What's good for you. * *And you address nothing. That's our 'Eduardo'! - Morning Ace. NOT my eduardo, i treat him like RHF, into - the "bit bucket". ya-know, now that i think of it; they - both act like know-it-all, irritant, argumentative, and - arrogant. could be the same person. - - Drifter... Drifter - That's Very Arbitron of You ! considering that you must be over the age of 50 and thus do not count ~ RHF -ps- your mind exist beyond the 10vm/m contour and thus what you think does not matter. |
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"Asking people to buy yet another radio to listen to narrowcast content
will probably not fly on 76-88 Mhz unless" Isn't HD asking people to do the same thing? Buy another radio to hear narrowcast content... more of the same.. |
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play currents add new songs with a certain regularity. These are always songs listeners have never heard, since promo copies, even with the internet, get to radio before anyone else. I don't like music formats of any kind. Short playlists are only good one time. When I hear that list start over I change stations or turn it off. After years of doing this I got sick of hearing the same damn thing over and over again so I don't bother anymore and listen to CD's if I want to hear music. I don't know what drives the insanity you spout here but clearly the people that make these decisions have pointy hair that look like horns. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon wrote:
In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play currents add new songs with a certain regularity. These are always songs listeners have never heard, since promo copies, even with the internet, get to radio before anyone else. I don't like music formats of any kind. Short playlists are only good one time. When I hear that list start over I change stations or turn it off. After years of doing this I got sick of hearing the same damn thing over and over again so I don't bother anymore and listen to CD's if I want to hear music. I'm not so sure that what's driving SiriusXM subscriptions, other than Howard Stern's noise, is a desire to get something fresh. Most of the music channels are programmed in the same way as terrestrial radio, sometimes by the very people who ****ed up radio in the first place. But there are channels that are counterintuitively programmed. And those can be refreshing. VERY long playlists, well mixed, and with music that just isn't heard on the radio. I listen to XM's Fine Tuning channel for hours at a time, often day after day, when I get into the mood, and never hear a repeat. And always music that's more interesting than anything that's on the air, today. There are other channels with deep playlists, you just have to search for them. And there are alternatives to the talk stations. Hell, if Rush were on XM, I'd have no reason to have my tuners, anymore. Interesting coincidence....WBEZ, here..the public station has overhauled their weekend lineup. I used to turn on WBEZ and carry it through till midnight on weekends. They still have Car Talk, but they've gotten rid of Michael Feldman's Whaddayaknow, and moved This American Life to after Prairie Home Companion. Filling the time between 10a and 5p, with shows that are less than interesting. At the same time XM had picked up most of the shows I used to enjoy on WBEZ nearly in the same order with the same time slots. Guess where my attention went. XM has since made some changes in the lineup, so I still have to hunt for something after 3 till PHC, but it's not as dramatic a change as WBEZ. I find that I listen to terrestrial radio less as time moves on. No big surprise. Terrestrial radio stopped serving me years ago. I suspect that you're in the same boat: Short of patience with programming for idiots, and long enough on experience to want more from your media than cash cow, commodity programming. After all, that's what's driven many of us into shortwave listening. |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
On Aug 12, 10:19*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *"David Eduardo" wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: * *But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play currents add new songs with a certain regularity. These are always songs listeners have never heard, since promo copies, even with the internet, get to radio before anyone else. I don't like music formats of any kind. Short playlists are only good one time. When I hear that list start over I change stations or turn it off. After years of doing this I got sick of hearing the same damn thing over and over again so I don't bother anymore and listen to CD's if I want to hear music. - I don't know what drives the insanity you spout here but clearly the - people that make these decisions have pointy hair that look like horns. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...HairedBoss.jpg The Attack of the Demoncrats http://countrystore.blogspot.com/images/mad_howard.jpg -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: But none breaking new ground. Far be it from me to agree with Rickets, but he makes the same point I do. Breaking new ground, taking risks is not even on the radar, today. So, what the listeners pick is what they hear, what sounds familiar, and with very few exceptions, what they've come to expect from contemporary music. More of the same. Different names. Different performers. Same clothes, same sounds, same haircuts. Interchangeably, more of the same. Most stations that play currents add new songs with a certain regularity. These are always songs listeners have never heard, since promo copies, even with the internet, get to radio before anyone else. I don't like music formats of any kind. Short playlists are only good one time. When I hear that list start over I change stations or turn it off. After years of doing this I got sick of hearing the same damn thing over and over again so I don't bother anymore and listen to CD's if I want to hear music. I'm not so sure that what's driving SiriusXM subscriptions, other than Howard Stern's noise, is a desire to get something fresh. Most of the music channels are programmed in the same way as terrestrial radio, sometimes by the very people who ****ed up radio in the first place. But there are channels that are counterintuitively programmed. And those can be refreshing. VERY long playlists, well mixed, and with music that just isn't heard on the radio. I listen to XM's Fine Tuning channel for hours at a time, often day after day, when I get into the mood, and never hear a repeat. And always music that's more interesting than anything that's on the air, today. There are other channels with deep playlists, you just have to search for them. And there are alternatives to the talk stations. Hell, if Rush were on XM, I'd have no reason to have my tuners, anymore. Interesting coincidence....WBEZ, here..the public station has overhauled their weekend lineup. I used to turn on WBEZ and carry it through till midnight on weekends. They still have Car Talk, but they've gotten rid of Michael Feldman's Whaddayaknow, and moved This American Life to after Prairie Home Companion. Filling the time between 10a and 5p, with shows that are less than interesting. At the same time XM had picked up most of the shows I used to enjoy on WBEZ nearly in the same order with the same time slots. Guess where my attention went. XM has since made some changes in the lineup, so I still have to hunt for something after 3 till PHC, but it's not as dramatic a change as WBEZ. I find that I listen to terrestrial radio less as time moves on. No big surprise. Terrestrial radio stopped serving me years ago. I suspect that you're in the same boat: Short of patience with programming for idiots, and long enough on experience to want more from your media than cash cow, commodity programming. After all, that's what's driven many of us into shortwave listening. I have always liked radio and trying to find interesting programming is one reason I listen to short wave. My brother is an XM subscriber and has it in several vehicles and at home. I've listened to a few channels and some of them seemed pretty good. I think I managed to tune in the BBC for a bit at one time. All in all I found XM to be mildly interesting. I consider the FM band to be a total loss these days with the exception of the NPR stations that have the programs you mentioned along with the classical music. The last commercial classical station went dark some time ago. That was very disappointing. There were only two of them, one in LA and the other in Santa Barbara. The one in SB was taken over by NPR and it still has classical music. The station in LA started playing music from Hades. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
Telamon wrote:
I consider the FM band to be a total loss these days with the exception of the NPR stations that have the programs you mentioned along with the classical music. The last commercial classical station went dark some time ago. That was very disappointing. There were only two of them, one in LA and the other in Santa Barbara. The one in SB was taken over by NPR and it still has classical music. The station in LA started playing music from Hades. Country is music from Hades? It's terrible to be sure, but why insult the Devil? |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
Dave wrote:
Country is music from Hades? It's terrible to be sure, but why insult the Devil? He deserves it. The last cloud of brimstone stench that covered Washington was said to contain a barely audible, completely drunk, Hank Williams Jr. playing Rap to a two four beat. An even four dozen politicians swore off drugs, mistresses and page boys. It was such a frightening experience that they actually kept their promises for a week. mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\ \/This space for rent/\ \/ /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ Densa International© 'Think tanks cleaned cheap' Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, Google Groups or HOTMAIL address. I also filter everything from a .cn server. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
On Aug 14, 5:33*am, Dave wrote:
Telamon wrote: I consider the FM band to be a total loss these days with the exception of the NPR stations that have the programs you mentioned along with the classical music. The last commercial classical station went dark some time ago. That was very disappointing. There were only two of them, one in LA and the other in Santa Barbara. The one in SB was taken over by NPR and it still has classical music. The station in LA started playing music from Hades. - Country is music from Hades? -*It's terrible to be sure, but why insult the Devil? Country Music {and Western} is from the Heart of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_western http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_music the Euro-American Heritage and Tradition and is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-American the Soul {Voice} of the Spirit of Rural America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_America D.E.V.I.L. Democrat Elitist Violent Intellectual Liberal |
Move Am's to channels 5&6?
RHF wrote:
On Aug 14, 5:33 am, Dave wrote: Telamon wrote: I consider the FM band to be a total loss these days with the exception of the NPR stations that have the programs you mentioned along with the classical music. The last commercial classical station went dark some time ago. That was very disappointing. There were only two of them, one in LA and the other in Santa Barbara. The one in SB was taken over by NPR and it still has classical music. The station in LA started playing music from Hades. - Country is music from Hades? - It's terrible to be sure, but why insult the Devil? Country Music {and Western} is from the Heart of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_western http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_music the Euro-American Heritage and Tradition and is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-American the Soul {Voice} of the Spirit of Rural America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_America D.E.V.I.L. Democrat Elitist Violent Intellectual Liberal . I'm not sure Telemon is a textbook liberal. You've really turned into quite the brownshirt lately; you must listen to a lot of "free" AM radio. |
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On Aug 14, 6:34*pm, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote: On Aug 14, 5:33 am, Dave wrote: Telamon wrote: I consider the FM band to be a total loss these days with the exception of the NPR stations that have the programs you mentioned along with the classical music. The last commercial classical station went dark some time ago. That was very disappointing. There were only two of them, one in LA and the other in Santa Barbara. The one in SB was taken over by NPR and it still has classical music. The station in LA started playing music from Hades. - Country is music from Hades? - It's terrible to be sure, but why insult the Devil? - - Country Music {and Western} is from the Heart of - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_western - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_music - - the Euro-American Heritage and Tradition and is - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-American - - the Soul {Voice} of the Spirit of Rural America. - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_America - - D.E.V.I.L. - - Democrat - - Elitist - - Violent - - Intellectual - - Liberal - I'm not sure Telemon is a textbook liberal. While your page in the Text Book is 'blank'. - You've really turned into quite the brownshirt lately; Dave - OK so liking Country Western Music makes me a "Brown Shirt" [NAZI] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownshirts - yours is a strange strange world master david. ~ RHF -*you must listen to a lot of "free" AM radio. Dave - TYVM - I do Listen to a lot of Free Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio. From "The Savage Nation" to "All Things Considered". - freedom to listen and think for myself. ~ RHF |
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