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"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..
For those that think that IBOC is going to go away soon, the FCC Chairmen
speaks of it as being the future of radio.


It's also worth noting that the chairman backed BPL as the next best thing
since sliced bread.
Now, the ARRL has taken them down a notch with a court win against them.
By the time this sad technology gets going, DSL, Cable and wireless will
have eaten up their market.

Dale W4OP

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In article ,
"Dale Parfitt" wrote:

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..
For those that think that IBOC is going to go away soon, the FCC Chairmen
speaks of it as being the future of radio.


It's also worth noting that the chairman backed BPL as the next best thing
since sliced bread.
Now, the ARRL has taken them down a notch with a court win against them.
By the time this sad technology gets going, DSL, Cable and wireless will
have eaten up their market.

They never had a market. This is another POS technology looking for a
problem to solve.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

Wasn't stereo going to save the Am band too? Something else that nobody
wanted to cared about. I mean it sound good, but I'm a radio geek.

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"m II" wrote in message news:rmlBk.1076$Pv5.665@edtnps83...
David Eduardo wrote:

Analog AM stereo was simply way too late. In 1977, FM listening exceeded
AM
listening... by the time AM stereo could be used, FM was down to less
than
40% of listening, and most music formats used by trendsetters and early
adopters were on FM.



I feel that should have read:

'by the time AM stereo could be used, *AM* was down to'


It is late..


Yep. Should be FM" there. And AM is below 20% of listening in every market,
and below 10% in many... with over half the listeners who are left being
over 55.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dale Parfitt" wrote:

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..
For those that think that IBOC is going to go away soon, the FCC
Chairmen
speaks of it as being the future of radio.


It's also worth noting that the chairman backed BPL as the next best
thing
since sliced bread.
Now, the ARRL has taken them down a notch with a court win against them.
By the time this sad technology gets going, DSL, Cable and wireless will
have eaten up their market.

They never had a market. This is another POS technology looking for a
problem to solve.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I agree 100%. But it is troubling that the chairman backs this w/o asking
the technical questions. It's likely one could see why if we could follow
the $$ trail.
It seems it was not this way in past decades when the chairman had a
technical backgroundt and could think for himself.\

Dale W4OP

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"Pocket-Radio" wrote in message
...

"there are a lot of formats available on HD-2's which are not
available "over-the-air".

Fact, there’s a very small hand full of niche formats, like the Irish
Channel.

Is that what we're aiming for? "niche formats"?

If that's what you're looking for, go somewhere else.

This is BROADcasting.

The number of formats are extended in most major markets with formats that
are NOT on the air (but probably would be if there were more stations.)

70's, 80's Folk, Jazz, Opera, Gay Pride, Disco, Blues, There are even HD
channels given over to high school students to create programming.....

Some of the main channels are extending their format coverage.

The station that plays "new country" now can program "Classic Country" for
those that don't like the new stuff.

Most oldies stations have moved their era up to 70's & 80's oldies. If that
doesn't suit you, you can go to their HD-2 channel which
features....50's/60's Oldies.

None of which are available on the main broadcast channels. So what you are
saying is false.

I'd think with all these great stations you speak of, listeners would
be flocking to Best Buy to get their hands on a new HD radio
Right, doesn’t that make sense? They're not!

Listeners don't know about them. There has been no effort to market the new
HD formats.

Many cities have lost their one Classical station. If they knew that for a
one-time $100 they could get classical music....I'm sure they would. Same
for the Jazz stations that have gone away.

The fact is that while consumers had heard about HD....they have no idea
what is available on those second streams.

Consumershave shown NO interest in upgrading to HD. The receivers just
aren’t
selling.

It’s too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.

Stock up on the Kool-Aid because you’re going to need it.

No Kool-Aid...just facts.

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"A Brown" wrote in message
...
Consumershave shown NO interest in upgrading to HD. The receivers just
aren't
selling.

It's too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.

Stock up on the Kool-Aid because you're going to need it.

No Kool-Aid...just facts.

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM. There are still plenty of
AM-only radios out there on the shelves (though it costs so little to add
FM nowadays that there are many fewer than there were 15 years ago).

But there are many radios that do not have AM today.

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"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Brenda Ann" wrote in news:Y_-
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

While the FCC did require seperate programming....that is not what the
article was talking about.

It said:

"FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974"

Re-read it....


http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/
FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974
By Chuck Taylor

Imagine how HD radio would receive a much-needed jump-start if the feds
required moving forward that all radios include the technology.

That's exactly what the government mandated in 1974 to push along acceptance
of FM amid a broadcast landscape that was still dominated by the AM band.
That year, the Senate passed a bill to give the FCC authority to require
that all radios selling for more than $15 be able to receive AM and FM. The
bill followed a pattern set years earlier when Congress passed legislation
requiring that UHF and VHF reception be built into TV sets. Sen. Frank Moss,
D-Utah, sponsor of the bill, said at the time, "The American consumer is
probably not aware that we have reached the limit on AM frequencies and that
virtually all new radio stations will be on the FM band. People buy radios
today unaware that they are limiting their listening opportunities."

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"A Brown" wrote in message
...

"Pocket-Radio" wrote in message
...


It’s too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.


You are confusing the thing the FCC did do with something they did not do.

The FCC did mandate an end to AM and FM stations simulcasting the same
programming with a cutoff date in 1967.

There was a Senate bill to mandate FM on all radios back in the same era,
but the House did not pass it and it died.

FM, around since '39 or '40, was almost dead by 1960, with about half the
station count of 1950. FM stereo, a year later, was so unenthusiastically
received that it took two years to get 100 stereo stations one the air. It
was the no-simulcast rule that forced different and seemingly niche or
limited appeal programming onto the "broken apart" simulcasts.

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

It's too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.


The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.


http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/
FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974
By Chuck Taylor

Imagine how HD radio would receive a much-needed jump-start if the feds
required moving forward that all radios include the technology.

That's exactly what the government mandated in 1974 to push along
acceptance of FM amid a broadcast landscape that was still dominated by
the AM band. That year, the Senate passed a bill to give the FCC authority
to require that all radios selling for more than $15 be able to receive AM
and FM. The bill followed a pattern set years earlier when Congress passed
legislation requiring that UHF and VHF reception be built into TV sets.
Sen. Frank Moss, D-Utah, sponsor of the bill, said at the time, "The
American consumer is probably not aware that we have reached the limit on
AM frequencies and that virtually all new radio stations will be on the FM
band. People buy radios today unaware that they are limiting their
listening opportunities."


This error of R&R has been widely criticized. The Senate bill made it. It
never passed in any version in the House, and never became law.

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

gee, should i believe "elaich" or "brenda ann"....or should I believe a
journalist from radio & records. hmmmm....

i think the journalist from r&r has more credibility.


"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..

"elaich" wrote in message
...
"Brenda Ann" wrote in news:Y_-
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

While the FCC did require seperate programming....that is not what the
article was talking about.

It said:

"FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974"

Re-read it....


http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/
FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974
By Chuck Taylor

Imagine how HD radio would receive a much-needed jump-start if the feds
required moving forward that all radios include the technology.

That's exactly what the government mandated in 1974 to push along
acceptance
of FM amid a broadcast landscape that was still dominated by the AM band.
That year, the Senate passed a bill to give the FCC authority to require
that all radios selling for more than $15 be able to receive AM and FM.
The
bill followed a pattern set years earlier when Congress passed legislation
requiring that UHF and VHF reception be built into TV sets. Sen. Frank
Moss,
D-Utah, sponsor of the bill, said at the time, "The American consumer is
probably not aware that we have reached the limit on AM frequencies and
that
virtually all new radio stations will be on the FM band. People buy radios
today unaware that they are limiting their listening opportunities."

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Brenda Ann" wrote in news:Y_-
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

They required the elimination of simulcasting in larger markets, and
limitations in much smaller ones. They never required "original"
programming, just separate programming.

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

No, I didn't read the article. I lived during the times. And, please pay
attention to who is quoted and who quoted whom in future posts.

The bill, as stated earlier, did NOT pass.

There was no mandate that FM be included on all radios. Please don't try to
reinvent my life story. I was there. Obviously, you were not.

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"Dale Parfitt" wrote in
news:rDxBk.592$pp3.511@trnddc06:

I agree 100%. But it is troubling that the chairman backs this w/o
asking the technical questions. It's likely one could see why if we
could follow the $$ trail.
It seems it was not this way in past decades when the chairman had a
technical backgroundt and could think for himself.

When you have a Presidential candidate who graduated 850th out of 887 in
his college class (McCain - Naval Academy, no less) then you can see where
this country is headed.

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"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..

"elaich" wrote in message
...
"Brenda Ann" wrote in news:Y_-
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

While the FCC did require seperate programming....that is not what the
article was talking about.

It said:

"FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974"

Re-read it....


It's an article that is just simply wrong. Bill passed in Senate, never made
it in House,never became a law.

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"R Palino" wrote in message
...
gee, should i believe "elaich" or "brenda ann"....or should I believe a
journalist from radio & records. hmmmm....

i think the journalist from r&r has more credibility.


No, neither does.

And in this case, R&R flubbed it. The story is totally untrue.

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

"A Brown" wrote in news:TMYBk.1068$as4.365
@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:

The technology is there and ready to go now.

And, nobody wants it. So the stupid ass government is gonna jam it down our
throats, based upon who's pockets got greased.

I would sure hate to grow up in the world that you are destined to grow up
in.

I'm gonna go fire up my old Zenith now and listen to OTR on KSL. Real
radio. You wouldn't have a clue.

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"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

No, I didn't read the article. I lived during the times. And, please pay
attention to who is quoted and who quoted whom in future posts.

The bill, as stated earlier, did NOT pass.

There was no mandate that FM be included on all radios. Please don't try
to
reinvent my life story. I was there. Obviously, you were not.

but maybe you have alzheimers now....the R&R writer is has more credibility

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..

"elaich" wrote in message
...
"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and
that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

No, I didn't read the article. I lived during the times. And, please pay
attention to who is quoted and who quoted whom in future posts.

The bill, as stated earlier, did NOT pass.

There was no mandate that FM be included on all radios. Please don't try
to
reinvent my life story. I was there. Obviously, you were not.

but maybe you have alzheimers now....the R&R writer is has more
credibility

Again, the bill made it in the Senate, but not the House. It never became
law.

R&R makes mistakes, the NYT makes mistakes. Obviously, someone who was not
around in the 70's confused the facts. Badly.

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

but maybe you have alzheimers now....the R&R writer is has more
credibility

The Congressional Record has much more. There are no citations in several
hundred Google pages regarding this bill ever being passed in the House.

The R&R article may well be "accurate" to a point: e.g. the Senate may have
passed the bill (again, I can find no cites in the Congressional Record. Not
sure whether they post bills that are not passed), but the House of
Representatives did not, therefor the bill could never have become law.

Again, imperical evidence (the fact that AM only radios still exist in the
US marketplace) tends to put the lie to the article.

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"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

but maybe you have alzheimers now....the R&R writer is has more
credibility

Maybe you're the one who has Alheimer's. Or maybe terminal stupidity. How
many people have told you in this thread that the bill never passed?

Into the bozo bin now, Bozo.

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:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and
that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

R&R makes mistakes, the NYT makes mistakes. Obviously, someone who was not
around in the 70's confused the facts. Badly.

Well, the article is STILL online.

I don't see a correction listed.

Wouldn't you think that they would be flooded with complaints about the
article?

Wouldn't you think they would have pulled the article by now?

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Brenda Ann" wrote in news:Y_-
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

They required the elimination of simulcasting in larger markets, and
limitations in much smaller ones. They never required "original"
programming, just separate programming.

So you mean it's like your posts. The lies are not original but they are
not reality either.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article , elaich wrote:

"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

No, I didn't read the article. I lived during the times. And, please pay
attention to who is quoted and who quoted whom in future posts.

The bill, as stated earlier, did NOT pass.

There was no mandate that FM be included on all radios. Please don't try to
reinvent my life story. I was there. Obviously, you were not.

Do yourself a favor and put Radio Ron in the kill file.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article , elaich wrote:

"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and
that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

No, I didn't read the article. I lived during the times. And, please pay
attention to who is quoted and who quoted whom in future posts.

The bill, as stated earlier, did NOT pass.

There was no mandate that FM be included on all radios. Please don't try
to
reinvent my life story. I was there. Obviously, you were not.

Do yourself a favor and put Radio Ron in the kill file.

1 more post from telamon....adding nothing.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"elaich" wrote in message
...
"Brenda Ann" wrote in news:Y_-
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and
that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

They required the elimination of simulcasting in larger markets, and
limitations in much smaller ones. They never required "original"
programming, just separate programming.

So you mean it's like your posts. The lies are not original but they are
not reality either.

2 more posts from Telamon....adding nothing.

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"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

but maybe you have alzheimers now....the R&R writer is has more
credibility

Maybe you're the one who has Alheimer's. Or maybe terminal stupidity. How
many people have told you in this thread that the bill never passed?

Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

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In article ,
"Radio Ronn" lq6dpvk02-at-sneakemail.com wrote:

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Radio Ron" wrote in
:

but maybe you have alzheimers now....the R&R writer is has more
credibility

Maybe you're the one who has Alheimer's. Or maybe terminal stupidity. How
many people have told you in this thread that the bill never passed?

Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

We should believe a retard like you right?

Stop changing your handle Bozo.

PLONK

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

We should believe a retard like you right?

Stop changing your handle Bozo.

More knuckleheads from Ventura!

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

R&R makes mistakes all the time. Nothing new.

Have yet to see a retraction!

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

"A Brownne" wrote in message
...

Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

R&R makes mistakes all the time. Nothing new.

Have yet to see a retraction!

They made a mistake; I wrote to the person at R&R who moderated the NAB
"supersession" I was a panelist on and have had no response. I assume they
are going back and checking the facts, and they will find that only having
the Senate pass a bill does not make it law.

For those hoping IBOC is going to go away......
 

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...

"A Brownne" wrote in message
...

Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

R&R makes mistakes all the time. Nothing new.

Have yet to see a retraction!

They made a mistake; I wrote to the person at R&R who moderated the NAB
"supersession" I was a panelist on and have had no response. I assume they
are going back and checking the facts...

Whats taking them so long?

QST review of new Icom transceiver
 

On Sep 26, 11:04*pm, "A Brownne" wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message

...



"A Brownne" wrote in message
.. .

Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

R&R makes mistakes all the time. Nothing new.

Have yet to see a retraction!

They made a mistake; I wrote to the person at R&R who moderated the NAB
"supersession" I was a panelist on and have had no response. I assume they
are going back and checking the facts...

Whats taking them so long?

Solar Cycle 24
 

On Sep 29, 9:36*pm, "A Browne" wrote:
Do we believe a bunch of anonymous nutcakes (with an agenda) in a
newsgroup....or do we believe R&R?

R&R makes mistakes all the time. Nothing new.

Have yet to see a retraction!

Whats taking them so long?

Who knows. Look at the copy of the 1975 Broadcasting Yearbook on my
website viawww.americanradiohisory.comand check the summary of the
year's news...

Why doesn't R&R do the same?