"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..
For those that think that IBOC is going to go away soon, the FCC Chairmen
speaks of it as being the future of radio.


It's also worth noting that the chairman backed BPL as the next best thing
since sliced bread.
Now, the ARRL has taken them down a notch with a court win against them.
By the time this sad technology gets going, DSL, Cable and wireless will
have eaten up their market.

Dale W4OP

In article ,
"Dale Parfitt" wrote:

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..
For those that think that IBOC is going to go away soon, the FCC Chairmen
speaks of it as being the future of radio.


It's also worth noting that the chairman backed BPL as the next best thing
since sliced bread.
Now, the ARRL has taken them down a notch with a court win against them.
By the time this sad technology gets going, DSL, Cable and wireless will
have eaten up their market.

They never had a market. This is another POS technology looking for a
problem to solve.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Wasn't stereo going to save the Am band too? Something else that nobody
wanted to cared about. I mean it sound good, but I'm a radio geek.

"m II" wrote in message news:rmlBk.1076$Pv5.665@edtnps83...
David Eduardo wrote:

Analog AM stereo was simply way too late. In 1977, FM listening exceeded
AM
listening... by the time AM stereo could be used, FM was down to less
than
40% of listening, and most music formats used by trendsetters and early
adopters were on FM.



I feel that should have read:

'by the time AM stereo could be used, *AM* was down to'


It is late..


Yep. Should be FM" there. And AM is below 20% of listening in every market,
and below 10% in many... with over half the listeners who are left being
over 55.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dale Parfitt" wrote:

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
. ..
For those that think that IBOC is going to go away soon, the FCC
Chairmen
speaks of it as being the future of radio.


It's also worth noting that the chairman backed BPL as the next best
thing
since sliced bread.
Now, the ARRL has taken them down a notch with a court win against them.
By the time this sad technology gets going, DSL, Cable and wireless will
have eaten up their market.

They never had a market. This is another POS technology looking for a
problem to solve.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I agree 100%. But it is troubling that the chairman backs this w/o asking
the technical questions. It's likely one could see why if we could follow
the $$ trail.
It seems it was not this way in past decades when the chairman had a
technical backgroundt and could think for himself.\

Dale W4OP

"Pocket-Radio" wrote in message
...

"there are a lot of formats available on HD-2's which are not
available "over-the-air".

Fact, there’s a very small hand full of niche formats, like the Irish
Channel.

Is that what we're aiming for? "niche formats"?

If that's what you're looking for, go somewhere else.

This is BROADcasting.

The number of formats are extended in most major markets with formats that
are NOT on the air (but probably would be if there were more stations.)

70's, 80's Folk, Jazz, Opera, Gay Pride, Disco, Blues, There are even HD
channels given over to high school students to create programming.....

Some of the main channels are extending their format coverage.

The station that plays "new country" now can program "Classic Country" for
those that don't like the new stuff.

Most oldies stations have moved their era up to 70's & 80's oldies. If that
doesn't suit you, you can go to their HD-2 channel which
features....50's/60's Oldies.

None of which are available on the main broadcast channels. So what you are
saying is false.

I'd think with all these great stations you speak of, listeners would
be flocking to Best Buy to get their hands on a new HD radio
Right, doesn’t that make sense? They're not!

Listeners don't know about them. There has been no effort to market the new
HD formats.

Many cities have lost their one Classical station. If they knew that for a
one-time $100 they could get classical music....I'm sure they would. Same
for the Jazz stations that have gone away.

The fact is that while consumers had heard about HD....they have no idea
what is available on those second streams.

Consumershave shown NO interest in upgrading to HD. The receivers just
aren’t
selling.

It’s too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.

Stock up on the Kool-Aid because you’re going to need it.

No Kool-Aid...just facts.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"A Brown" wrote in message
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Consumershave shown NO interest in upgrading to HD. The receivers just
aren't
selling.

It's too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.

Stock up on the Kool-Aid because you're going to need it.

No Kool-Aid...just facts.

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM. There are still plenty of
AM-only radios out there on the shelves (though it costs so little to add
FM nowadays that there are many fewer than there were 15 years ago).

But there are many radios that do not have AM today.

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Brenda Ann" wrote in news:Y_-
:

The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.

What the FCC did was require FM to have original programming, and that's
why it took off. Before that, most AM stations just simulcast on their
sister FM.

Are you making this up....or did you read the article.

While the FCC did require seperate programming....that is not what the
article was talking about.

It said:

"FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974"

Re-read it....


http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/
FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974
By Chuck Taylor

Imagine how HD radio would receive a much-needed jump-start if the feds
required moving forward that all radios include the technology.

That's exactly what the government mandated in 1974 to push along acceptance
of FM amid a broadcast landscape that was still dominated by the AM band.
That year, the Senate passed a bill to give the FCC authority to require
that all radios selling for more than $15 be able to receive AM and FM. The
bill followed a pattern set years earlier when Congress passed legislation
requiring that UHF and VHF reception be built into TV sets. Sen. Frank Moss,
D-Utah, sponsor of the bill, said at the time, "The American consumer is
probably not aware that we have reached the limit on AM frequencies and that
virtually all new radio stations will be on the FM band. People buy radios
today unaware that they are limiting their listening opportunities."

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

"Pocket-Radio" wrote in message
...


It’s too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.


You are confusing the thing the FCC did do with something they did not do.

The FCC did mandate an end to AM and FM stations simulcasting the same
programming with a cutoff date in 1967.

There was a Senate bill to mandate FM on all radios back in the same era,
but the House did not pass it and it died.

FM, around since '39 or '40, was almost dead by 1960, with about half the
station count of 1950. FM stereo, a year later, was so unenthusiastically
received that it took two years to get 100 stereo stations one the air. It
was the no-simulcast rule that forced different and seemingly niche or
limited appeal programming onto the "broken apart" simulcasts.

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

It's too late for HD radio.

I recall people saying the same thing about FM. (And "stereo").

Neither took off until the FCC mandated inclusion of FM.


The FCC NEVER mandated the inclusion of FM.


http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/
FCC Requires AM Radios To Also Carry FM - 1974
By Chuck Taylor

Imagine how HD radio would receive a much-needed jump-start if the feds
required moving forward that all radios include the technology.

That's exactly what the government mandated in 1974 to push along
acceptance of FM amid a broadcast landscape that was still dominated by
the AM band. That year, the Senate passed a bill to give the FCC authority
to require that all radios selling for more than $15 be able to receive AM
and FM. The bill followed a pattern set years earlier when Congress passed
legislation requiring that UHF and VHF reception be built into TV sets.
Sen. Frank Moss, D-Utah, sponsor of the bill, said at the time, "The
American consumer is probably not aware that we have reached the limit on
AM frequencies and that virtually all new radio stations will be on the FM
band. People buy radios today unaware that they are limiting their
listening opportunities."


This error of R&R has been widely criticized. The Senate bill made it. It
never passed in any version in the House, and never became law.