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A Brave New America
On Nov 18, 9:57*am, David Hartung wrote:
If you will look around you, you will realize that your claim is completely without merit. Since when did Liberal Fascist Neo-Commie propaganda have any merit? |
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(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
Mike wrote:
snip As I originally wrote: We must stand up against people (like you!) that re-write history for their own purposes. Mussolini was opposed by US liberals during the '30s, while he was supported by US conservatives. That's a historical fact that you can't escape, "donki dix"! Since you mention Mussolini, this is as good a place as any to mention my shock and bewilderment at the McCain campaign's use early in the general election period after the conventions, of a pose of the candidate, in television spots, that looked to me exactly like the famous photos of Il Duce. Didn't anyone in that campaign have a clue? BTW, why is this thread cost posted so promiscuously (reading it in R.R.S) Michael |
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A Brave New America
On Nov 19, 5:41 am, Dave wrote:
David Hartung wrote: SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote: now this is funny, bush has completely destroyed the constitution, greed is rampant, bush singlehandedly destroyed the u.s. economy, and you're scared of the demcorats? you should be scared of the dumbass nazi neocon republican scum save america, kill a neocon today If you will look around you, you will realize that your claim is completely without merit. Bush has destroyed nothing. Nothing you love. But some of us are fond of the Constitution and the moral high ground. The Constitution says what five judges say it says. When those five judges say what you want to hear; you love it. When they don't you hate it. |
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(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
On Nov 18, 10:13*pm, Mike wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:31 pm, RHF wrote: NAZI = "The-N-Word" of any Political Discussion. NAZI = SOCIALIST = MARXIST = COMMUNIST = BAD PEOPLE NAZI = FASCIST = SKINHEAD = NEOCON = BAD PEOPLE Looks like "Neocon" has become the new name calling word for 'nazi' in the 21st Century. Plus calling some one a "Neocon" has those subtle Anti-Jewish undertones -and- "Neocon" has a decided Anti-Israel-Zionist Overtone. just say no to 'nazi' type name calling ~ RHF . Roy, Real Nazis represent one of the most evil forces in history. You are right that anyone that anyone that suggests that a Neocon is the same as a Nazi is clearly exaggerating. Here's the way it really is: Neocons embrace conservatism. Nazis also embraced conservatism, but in a very extreme form of statist nationalism. Think neocon on steroids. While most neocons are not racists, many of their positions on national patriotism, national security, and the importance of security over individual freedoms, are definitely pointed in the same fascist direction that the Nazis started with. Liberals are not the same as Marxists or Socialists. But, just as the neocons are moving in the same direction as Nazis, the liberals are more like Marxist or Commies than Nazis. A Marxist is like a liberal on nasty steroids. Nazis are the opposite of Marxists or Socialists. One of Hitler's first steps toward World War was to burn down the Reichstag and blame it on the Commies and Socialists. The Nazi Fascists fought against the Soviet Marxists in WW2. It is estimated that 25 million Marxists died fighting the invading Fascist Nazis. Anyone that calls a Commie Marxist a Nazi or a Fascist is attempting to re-write history. So, neocons are not fascists and liberal are not Marxists. Both extremes are undesirable. Unless real American stand up to these foolish exaggerations, the people that distort history for their own political ends will prevent the people of this nation from uniting and really dealing with our societal problems. Obama is not a Marxist and I don't think most neocons (with the possible exception of Dick "Shotgun" Cheney) are Nazis. Let's stop this foolishness and realize that such hyperbole is a clear indication of a crackpot. I'm willing to bet that I'm the only one in this thread that has actual college degrees in Government and Public Affairs. Mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well. the Nazis fighting the Communists isn't evidence of them being a great deal different. When Ribbentrop went to Moscow to deal with Molotov, and agree to both invade Poland with their forces and split it between them, he returned to Berlin and reported, "We can deal with these guys, they are just like us". They also aggreed to split up Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Romania into Nazi and Soviet spheres of influence for take over by the two dictatorships. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (also known as the Hitler - Stalin Pact and other titles) remained in effect until Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941 in Operation Barbarossa. The only thing stopping the Nazi Germany from working together with the Soviet Union in the end was Hitler's megalomania. Otherwise, WW II could have turned out very differently. Perhaps in a way none of us would like to imagine. Stalin was in a state of shock that Hitler broke their pact, and attacked. It took him some days to recover his composure and start to act. Even Communist countries can fight against each other. It's the "Party" of one country against the "Party" in the other,. To the little man in the street, one dictatorship is little different from the other. Naziism/Fascism vs. Communism. They are both "Total Government" .... Totalitarianism. Kissing cousins. Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of Liberty. |
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(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way They Define Nazi
"Cato" wrote in message ... Naziism/Fascism vs. Communism. They are both "Total Government" .... Totalitarianism. Kissing cousins. Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of Liberty. Said it before, will say it again. Any, ANY form of government can be abused. Fascism may well appear to the man on the street to be no different from Communism, but they are politcally diametrically opposite. The end result to the citizen may be the same, but the players have different sets of 'morals'. Fascism is, in part, Capitalism taken to it's extreme. Our own Democratic Republic (USA, but isn't it funny how so many Communist countries use those words in their proper names?) can be abused to the point where it would, to practical intents and purposes, be no different than either a Communist or Fascist dictatorship. Already, corporations have far too much power and control over our government. I'm all for "Joe the Plumber" blue collar types being able to earn whatever living they choose to work for. I have a BIG problem with corporations taking advantage of the hard work of others to garner obscene profits (Exxon-Mobil, for one). |
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(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
On Nov 20, 2:28*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Cato" wrote in message ... * * Naziism/Fascism *vs. Communism. * * They are both "Total Government" .... *Totalitarianism. * Kissing cousins. *Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of Liberty. Said it before, will say it again. *Any, ANY form of government can be abused. Fascism may well appear to the man on the street to be no different from Communism, but they are politcally diametrically opposite. The end result to the citizen may be the same, but the players have different sets of 'morals'. *Fascism is, in part, Capitalism taken to it's extreme. *Our own Democratic Republic (USA, but isn't it funny how so many Communist countries use those words in their proper names?) can be abused to the point where it would, to practical intents and purposes, be no different than either a Communist or Fascist dictatorship. Already, corporations have far too much power and control over our government. *I'm all for "Joe the Plumber" blue collar types being able to earn whatever living they choose to work for. *I have a BIG problem with corporations taking advantage of the hard work of others to garner obscene profits (Exxon-Mobil, for one). You are correct on some accounts, but notice in Nazi Germany with the big industries, although the original owners where still owners on paper, and retained their titles, they now had to produce what they were told to produce, they were told how much to produce, how much they would get paid, and how much to pay the workers. You were expected to meet government imposed quotas, just as in Communist countries. In Nazi Germany, you owned your company on paper, but you and your company and your workers were totally controlled by the government. If instead, you have the companys controlling the government, as you say you are getting in the U.S., you have it turned around backwards. That was not the case in either Nazi Germany, or Communist Soviet Union. There, the Government, (The Party) headed up by their Great Leaders, had control. Not much different then how business was run in the Soviet Union. There, you had your factory committees and party comrades running the factory. Totally controlled by the government again. Again, totally controlled by the government. Everyone's lives under total regulation. To regular people, dictatorship is dictatorship. With their "Re- education" Camps and Gulags and Concentration Camps. What does it matter if it is black fascism, red communism, or green or purple "ism" ? ? No diff to me. All evil, and destructive to Liberty. |
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(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
Oh, yes, it's funny how many communist countries call themselves "Democratic" and a "Republic". Such as "The People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, or Lao People's Democratic Republic, or the People's Republic of China, or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea ruled by "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-Il LOL Such titles would never win them awards for honesty. |
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(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way They DefineNazi
Brenda Ann wrote: "Cato" wrote in message ... Naziism/Fascism vs. Communism. They are both "Total Government" .... Totalitarianism. Kissing cousins. Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of Liberty. Said it before, will say it again. Any, ANY form of government can be abused. Fascism may well appear to the man on the street to be no different from Communism, but they are politcally diametrically opposite. The end result to the citizen may be the same, but the players have different sets of 'morals'. Fascism is, in part, Capitalism taken to it's extreme. Our own Democratic Republic (USA, but isn't it funny how so many Communist countries use those words in their proper names?) can be abused to the point where it would, to practical intents and purposes, be no different than either a Communist or Fascist dictatorship. Already, corporations have far too much power and control over our government. I'm all for "Joe the Plumber" blue collar types being able to earn whatever living they choose to work for. I have a BIG problem with corporations taking advantage of the hard work of others to garner obscene profits (Exxon-Mobil, for one). Obscene profit? You need to check into what their profit margins really are. Yes, dollar wise, it might seem to be a lot, but you're disregarding the volume of product sold. You're looking at dollar return rather the percentage earned on each dollar spent. It's my understanding that there is a much higher profit margin on let's say, cosmetics, computer software and even bottled water. Check MicroSoft, where I've heard their margin is over 20% vs 8-10% for an oil company and say 14% or more for cosmetics. |
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(OT) : NAZI - Hate Speech is HATE SPEECH : NEOCON - Again Hate Speechis HATE SPEECH
On Nov 18, 7:13*pm, Mike wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:31 pm, RHF wrote: NAZI = "The-N-Word" of any Political Discussion. NAZI = SOCIALIST = MARXIST = COMMUNIST = BAD PEOPLE NAZI = FASCIST = SKINHEAD = NEOCON = BAD PEOPLE Looks like "Neocon" has become the new name calling word for 'nazi' in the 21st Century. Plus calling some one a "Neocon" has those subtle Anti-Jewish undertones -and- "Neocon" has a decided Anti-Israel-Zionist Overtone. just say no to 'nazi' type name calling ~ RHF . Roy, Real Nazis represent one of the most evil forces in history. You are right that anyone that anyone that suggests that a Neocon is the same as a Nazi is clearly exaggerating. Here's the way it really is: Neocons embrace conservatism. Nazis also embraced conservatism, but in a very extreme form of statist nationalism. Think neocon on steroids. While most neocons are not racists, many of their positions on national patriotism, national security, and the importance of security over individual freedoms, are definitely pointed in the same fascist direction that the Nazis started with. Liberals are not the same as Marxists or Socialists. But, just as the neocons are moving in the same direction as Nazis, the liberals are more like Marxist or Commies than Nazis. A Marxist is like a liberal on nasty steroids. Nazis are the opposite of Marxists or Socialists. One of Hitler's first steps toward World War was to burn down the Reichstag and blame it on the Commies and Socialists. The Nazi Fascists fought against the Soviet Marxists in WW2. It is estimated that 25 million Marxists died fighting the invading Fascist Nazis. Anyone that calls a Commie Marxist a Nazi or a Fascist is attempting to re-write history. So, neocons are not fascists and liberal are not Marxists. Both extremes are undesirable. Unless real American stand up to these foolish exaggerations, the people that distort history for their own political ends will prevent the people of this nation from uniting and really dealing with our societal problems. Obama is not a Marxist and I don't think most neocons (with the possible exception of Dick "Shotgun" Cheney) are Nazis. Let's stop this foolishness and realize that such hyperbole is a clear indication of a crackpot. I'm willing to bet that I'm the only one in this thread that has actual college degrees in Government and Public Affairs. Mike Mike - You are Replying to an Off-Topic Post and Your Posting itself id OFF-TOPIC : 1 - NAZI - Hate Speech is HATE SPEECH Someone who says the word NAZI with Venom in their Mouth and Murderous Hate in their Heart for another is is as bad or badder then the persons that they may be attacking with their Hate Speech. 2 - NEOCON - Again Hate Speech is HATE SPEECH Again someone who says the word NEOCON with Venom in their Mouth and Murderous Hate in their Heart for another is is as bad or badder then the persons that they may be attacking with their Hate Speech. the message is simple : don't promote hate in your speech and use words that are hateful in and of themselves : true tolerance and understanding starts with you; and is reflected in your 'choice' of words : 'choose' your words wisely - liberally speaking that is ~ RHF |
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(OT) : NAZI = "The-N-Word" of any Political Discussion has aReplacement 'Neocon'
On Nov 19, 5:51*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote: Looks like "Neocon" has become the new name calling word for 'nazi' in the 21st Century. - - Plus calling some one a "Neocon" has those - - subtle Anti-Jewish undertones -and- "Neocon" - - has a decided Anti-Israel-Zionist Overtone. - Neocons tend to align with the Zionists, actually. -*You should really learn before shooting off your mouth. Dave, Which part of 'anti' don't you understand ? omif ~ RHF |
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