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A Radio Disney Mystery
Where do they get all that awesome music???
........ Ha ha! Okay--J/K. ------- Radio Disney has a station listed at 1260 kHz in St Louis. I can consistently pick up that same transmission at 351 kHz as well, day or night, on my Sony ICF-7600GR. The LW sounds like it might be a /bit/ weaker than the AM signal. At first I wondered why Disney would be broadcasting on LW, but when I went online to look for actual ID,,,, I cannot find any reference to Disney on that frequency. I have found a few listings of Disney-affiliate stations all over the AM and FM dial, but none SW or LW. The only station listed for St Louis is the 1260 station. So what's up with this 351 kHz business? I haven't found any other station that was "repeated" in two different frequencies like this. ~ |
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On Dec 12, 10:12*am, DougC wrote:
Where do they get all that awesome music??? I have found a few listings of Disney-affiliate stations all over the AM and FM dial, but none SW or LW. The only station listed for St Louis is the 1260 station. So what's up with this 351 kHz business? I haven't found any other station that was "repeated" in two different frequencies like this. ~ More than likely it's an image of the 1260khz transmission showing up your radio as 350khz (910khz spacing), even dual conversion radios can suffer from this, especially on the AM when it's using the internal ferrite antenna A good discussion is on this topic - http://tinyurl.com/57bqdh |
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In article , DougC
wrote: Where do they get all that awesome music??? ....... Ha ha! Okay--J/K. ------- Radio Disney has a station listed at 1260 kHz in St Louis. I can consistently pick up that same transmission at 351 kHz as well, day or night, on my Sony ICF-7600GR. The LW sounds like it might be a /bit/ weaker than the AM signal. At first I wondered why Disney would be broadcasting on LW, but when I went online to look for actual ID,,,, I cannot find any reference to Disney on that frequency. I have found a few listings of Disney-affiliate stations all over the AM and FM dial, but none SW or LW. The only station listed for St Louis is the 1260 station. So what's up with this 351 kHz business? I haven't found any other station that was "repeated" in two different frequencies like this. ~ Okay, I'm a bit rusty on this, so someone can correct me... 1260 - 350 = 910 / 2 = 455 It's a receiver-generated image based on the 455 kHz conversion circuit in the radio. You might hear the other one at 2170 kHz... It sucks, but it happens -- even on my R8; maybe someone will chime in with the technical reason. I've completely forgotten :-( -j |
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BDK wrote:
..... More likely, it's just your not so great radio. How close to you is that station? It's ehhh, , , it's . . . . -in the neighboring town. :) Investigating further, it doesn't seem to be the most popular station: http://www.qsl.net/n0uih/IBOCMythsan...alogvsIBOC.htm I suppose I should be glad I don't hear it on my dental fillings. ----- Another semi-related question: what analog-tuner radios are there with better tuning circuitry, that is not a boatanchor, and that will cover all or most of the range in-between bands? ~ |
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BDK wrote:
In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ |
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"DougC" wrote in message
... RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. Umm, yes. That's exactly why they are so desirable. I have one and it works fine. I have radios that are over 70 years old that work fine. |
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DougC wrote:
BDK wrote: In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ Digital tuners killed AM radio. |
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says... BDK wrote: In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ You've apparently used cheaper/older digital radios. With up to one hertz tuning resolution, there isn't any missing anything. And a good tuning knob is a good tuning knob: http://cgi.ebay.com/Japan-Radio-Co-N...adio-Receiver- NICE_W0QQitemZ390015795849QQcmdZViewItemQQptZShort wave_Radios? hash=item390015795849&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkpar ms=72%3A1234|66%3A2| 65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 Overpriced, but a very nice receiver. You can get one for less. And a classic: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170285979931 #description Even though it only tunes in 100hz steps, you won't miss anything on it either. I've owned a nearly identical one for almost 25 years. It will never leave, until I do. -- BDK BDK Klan leader? kOOk Magnet! NJJ CLUB #1 Shillmaster |
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says... DougC wrote: BDK wrote: In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ Digital tuners killed AM radio. Why is that? -- BDK BDK Klan leader? kOOk Magnet! NJJ CLUB #1 Shillmaster |
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"BDK" wrote in message ... In article , says... BDK wrote: In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ You've apparently used cheaper/older digital radios. With up to one hertz tuning resolution, there isn't any missing anything. And a good tuning knob is a good tuning knob: One of the problems with digital radios is noise floor. You will never get as low a noise floor on MW/HF with a digital radio as you can with a good analog. |
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says... "BDK" wrote in message ... In article , says... BDK wrote: In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ You've apparently used cheaper/older digital radios. With up to one hertz tuning resolution, there isn't any missing anything. And a good tuning knob is a good tuning knob: One of the problems with digital radios is noise floor. You will never get as low a noise floor on MW/HF with a digital radio as you can with a good analog. All mine are pretty quiet, but they are all pretty high end radios. -- BDK BDK Klan leader? kOOk Magnet! NJJ CLUB #1 Shillmaster |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:08:31 -0500, BDK wrote:
~ Digital tuners killed AM radio. Why is that? Because you can't tune out heterodynes or get it sounding less muddy by moving out of the center of the channel slightly. |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:04:18 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:
One of the problems with digital radios is noise floor. You will never get as low a noise floor on MW/HF with a digital radio as you can with a good analog. Does Bob Sherwood agree. |
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"Dave" wrote in message
m... On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:08:31 -0500, BDK wrote: ~ Digital tuners killed AM radio. Why is that? Because you can't tune out heterodynes or get it sounding less muddy by moving out of the center of the channel slightly. You can't? Wow, that's sure news to my R8, Satellit 800, YB 400, Degen 1102, etc. Unless you have a very cheap digital that only tunes SW in 5 kHz steps, what you said above is simply not true. The R8 has 10 Hz tuning resolution! Seriously, have you used a digitally tuned radio? |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:58:58 -0500, Bob Campbell wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:08:31 -0500, BDK wrote: ~ Digital tuners killed AM radio. Why is that? Because you can't tune out heterodynes or get it sounding less muddy by moving out of the center of the channel slightly. You can't? Wow, that's sure news to my R8, Satellit 800, YB 400, Degen 1102, etc. Unless you have a very cheap digital that only tunes SW in 5 kHz steps, what you said above is simply not true. The R8 has 10 Hz tuning resolution! Seriously, have you used a digitally tuned radio? AM radio is listened to by people in cars, not SWLs. I have digital radios that resolve to less than 10 Hz, but these are not the norm. |
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"Dave" wrote in message m... AM radio is listened to by people in cars, not SWLs. I have digital radios that resolve to less than 10 Hz, but these are not the norm. Actually, AM radio is listened to mostly by people at home and at work. |
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On Dec 13, 10:08*am, BDK wrote:
In article , says... BDK wrote: In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ You've apparently used cheaper/older digital radios. With up to one hertz tuning resolution, there isn't any missing anything. - And a good tuning knob is a good tuning knob: BDK - You almost of mastered RHF Speak - a good tuning knob -is- A Good Tuning Knob. - Brilliant ! http://cgi.ebay.com/Japan-Radio-Co-N...adio-Receiver- NICE_W0QQitemZ390015795849QQcmdZViewItemQQptZShort wave_Radios? hash=item390015795849&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkpar ms=72%3A1234|66%3A2| 65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 Overpriced, but a very nice receiver. You can get one for less. And a classic: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170285979931 #description Even though it only tunes in 100hz steps, you won't miss anything on it either. I've owned a nearly identical one for almost 25 years. It will never leave, until I do. -- BDK BDK Klan leader? kOOk Magnet! NJJ CLUB #1 Shillmaster |
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@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 13, 10:08*am, BDK wrote: In article , says... BDK wrote: In article , says... Analog, but not a boatanchor? Hmmm. Panasonic RF-2200? Why do you want an analog rig? The digital tuning seems to miss a lot of minor things, in-between the channels. An analog tuning dial is more fun to spin (as long as it stays where you leave it). RF-2200 looks interesting, tis a shame any I'd find would already be a quarter-century old. Oh well. ~ You've apparently used cheaper/older digital radios. With up to one hertz tuning resolution, there isn't any missing anything. - And a good tuning knob is a good tuning knob: BDK - You almost of mastered RHF Speak - a good tuning knob -is- A Good Tuning Knob. - Brilliant ! Before I edited, it made sense. I'm sorry professor, I screwed up. The original was something like: A good tuning knob makes a lot of difference in the enjoyment of using a radio. Even some expensive receivers like the Drake R8 series don't have what I consider tuning knobs. Please don't give me a bad grade, professor!! And kiss my ass in the meantime. http://cgi.ebay.com/Japan-Radio-Co-N...adio-Receiver- NICE_W0QQitemZ390015795849QQcmdZViewItemQQptZShort wave_Radios? hash=item390015795849&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkpar ms=72%3A1234|66%3A2| 65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 Overpriced, but a very nice receiver. You can get one for less. And a classic: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170285979931 #description Even though it only tunes in 100hz steps, you won't miss anything on it either. I've owned a nearly identical one for almost 25 years. It will never leave, until I do. -- BDK BDK Klan leader? kOOk Magnet! NJJ CLUB #1 Shillmaster |
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"BDK" wrote in message ... In article , says... BDK wrote: Where do you live, in a reinforced concrete bunker, a Faraday cage, or a tunnel? A sea of electronic noise. Geoff. I've never lived, or been anywhere, but a tunnel, or work, where the RFI is incredible from all the servers, that I couldn't pick up dozens of AM stations. I can pick up at least 8 stations inside my shop, which is a 3m X 6m connex (a great Faraday shield). Of course a couple of those stations are 1MW plus. One is on the seaward side of the bay we're on. We're east of it, while it's beamed north (to the DPRK) at 1.5MW days/750KW nights.. |
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On Dec 13, 9:39*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... AM radio is listened to by people in cars, not SWLs. *I have digital radios that resolve to less than 10 Hz, but these are not the norm. Actually, AM radio is listened to mostly by people at home and at work. I suppose it depends where you live. In the SF Bay Area, AM rules due to terrain issues. A few FMs have two radio stations, such as KFOG and KFFG. Kind of annoying since there is no automatic change over between those stations, nor are they always in sync for some strange reason. It's not my favorite AM, but KCBS covers the whole bay area. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... AM radio is listened to by people in cars, not SWLs. I have digital radios that resolve to less than 10 Hz, but these are not the norm. Actually, AM radio is listened to mostly by people at home and at work. Sure sure 'dwardo. Most people can't even pick-up AM radio indoors. give me a break. About 70% of all radio listening is not in the car and about 66% of AM listening is not in a vehicle, either, Did your mall dicks tell you this? Or was it gleaned on a street corner? I don't trust your numbers or your methods. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... AM radio is listened to by people in cars, not SWLs. I have digital radios that resolve to less than 10 Hz, but these are not the norm. Actually, AM radio is listened to mostly by people at home and at work. Sure sure 'dwardo. Most people can't even pick-up AM radio indoors. give me a break. About 70% of all radio listening is not in the car and about 66% of AM listening is not in a vehicle, either, Did your mall dicks tell you this? Or was it gleaned on a street corner? I don't trust your numbers or your methods. It's the product of many millions of Arbitron diaries over the last few decades. Every market report shows each station's listening locations (Home, work, car, other) as well as the market averages... right down to individual age groups, genders, ethnicities. |
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