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Must be very depressing for you this Christmas Booble Struble. I went
to a very busy Best Buy yesterday. People everywhere. Products and displays flashing here and there. Lots of technology in the air. Sound and noise from every direction. But….. What’s this? NO HD RADIO ANYWHERE. NOTHING. I looked high and I looked low but nothing to be found! I finally found a salesperson and made an inquiry. After pondering it for a minute (and looking very puzzled) he took me over to the car radio department and showed me a radio with a small tag that said HD Radio Ready. “Is this what you mean?” he asked. I just smiled and said thank you. Merry Xmas iBiquity – Hope 2009 brings the same success as 2008 did for you. By the way Bob, how’s the family? Say hello to your wife for me. |
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... Must be very depressing for you this Christmas Booble Struble. I went to a very busy Best Buy yesterday. People everywhere. Products and displays flashing here and there. Lots of technology in the air. Sound and noise from every direction. But….. What’s this? NO HD RADIO ANYWHERE. NOTHING. More to the point - were there ANY radios at all? How many AM/FM/CD boomboxes? How many AM/FM/SW portables? How many MP3 players with at least an FM tuner? 20 years ago there would have been a decent section of radios. 40 years ago a very large section of radios. 60 years ago even small towns had entire stores that sold only radios. Now there *might* be a couple of shelves of pocket/headphone style radios, and few boomboxes. See a pattern here? |
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On Dec 23, 12:05 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
wrote in message ... Must be very depressing for you this Christmas Booble Struble. I went to a very busy Best Buy yesterday. People everywhere. Products and displays flashing here and there. Lots of technology in the air. Sound and noise from every direction. But….. What’s this? NO HD RADIO ANYWHERE. NOTHING. More to the point - were there ANY radios at all? How many AM/FM/CD boomboxes? How many AM/FM/SW portables? How many MP3 players with at least an FM tuner? 20 years ago there would have been a decent section of radios. 40 years ago a very large section of radios. 60 years ago even small towns had entire stores that sold only radios. Now there *might* be a couple of shelves of pocket/headphone style radios, and few boomboxes. See a pattern here? The point is HD radios were nowhere. Not integrated into any digital product, Cell phone, iPod, BoomBox, MP3 player, SatRadio, nothing. Much to Strubles dismay. Not even in car radios. Don't kill yourself just yet though Struble. 2009 could be worse! iBiquity, do you feel left out this Christmas? |
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... The point is HD radios were nowhere. The point is there are very few radios for sale these days. Period. HD radio was a too little too late attempt to save radio from going the way of the 8 track tape. Radio is dying in spite of HD. There is simply very little interest in either these days. |
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On Dec 23, 12:36 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
wrote in message ... The point is HD radios were nowhere. The point is there are very few radios for sale these days. Period. HD radio was a too little too late attempt to save radio from going the way of the 8 track tape. Radio is dying in spite of HD. There is simply very little interest in either these days. Really? Does iBiquity know this? Struble, do you know anthing about this? |
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Radio is dying in spite of HD. There is simply very little interest in either these days. Really? Does iBiquity know this? Struble, do you know anthing about this? More importantly, do the HD radio investors know this? |
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On Dec 23, 12:05*pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
wrote in message ... Must be very depressing for you this Christmas Booble Struble. I went to a very busy Best Buy yesterday. *People everywhere. *Products and displays flashing here and there. *Lots of technology in the air. Sound and noise from every direction. *But….. What’s this? *NO HD RADIO ANYWHERE. * NOTHING. More to the point - were there ANY radios at all? * *How many AM/FM/CD boomboxes? * How many AM/FM/SW portables? * How many MP3 players with at least an FM tuner? 20 years ago there would have been a decent section of radios. * 40 years ago a very large section of radios. * 60 years ago even small towns had entire stores that sold only radios. Now there *might* be a couple of shelves of pocket/headphone style radios, and few boomboxes. * See a pattern here? VERY good point - Radio Shack is hardly a "radio shack", anymore. This Crawford Broadcasting engineer said the same thing: "Crawford Broadcasting: The Local Oscillator" "Whatever happened to the big HD-R receiver rollout at Wal-Mart?... This rollout has not happened in Western New York, and chances are, not in your market either. In fact, recently while Christmas shopping with my wife, I stopped in several national chain electronics retailers inquiring about HD-R receivers. Of the three I checked, Circuit City, Best Buy and Radio Shack, only one had an HD receiver in stock, and it was not even displayed along with all of the other receivers offered for sale. First off, I think that Ibiquity has done a poor job of educating the public on this medium. In just about all of the nationally distributed magazines, you will find advertisements for Sirius/XM radio subscriptions on a continuing basis, but none for HD-R... Someone has to pick up the ball and get the public educated and interested in HD-R, or 1,797 stations have made a very poor investment into the future of radio." http://tinyurl.com/927svj Eduardo - do you have anything to add? |
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On Dec 23, 12:27*pm, wrote:
On Dec 23, 12:05 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote: wrote in message .... Must be very depressing for you this Christmas Booble Struble. I went to a very busy Best Buy yesterday. *People everywhere. *Products and displays flashing here and there. *Lots of technology in the air. Sound and noise from every direction. *But….. What’s this? *NO HD RADIO ANYWHERE. * NOTHING. More to the point - were there ANY radios at all? * *How many AM/FM/CD boomboxes? * How many AM/FM/SW portables? * How many MP3 players with at least an FM tuner? 20 years ago there would have been a decent section of radios. * 40 years ago a very large section of radios. * 60 years ago even small towns had entire stores that sold only radios. Now there *might* be a couple of shelves of pocket/headphone style radios, and few boomboxes. * See a pattern here? The point is HD radios were nowhere. *Not integrated into any digital product, Cell phone, iPod, BoomBox, MP3 player, SatRadio, nothing. Much to Strubles dismay. *Not even in car radios. *Don't kill yourself just yet though Struble. *2009 could be worse! iBiquity, do you feel *left out this Christmas?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The car radios are going to just "HD Ready" from "HD": "Is HD Radio going to be killed by manufacturers' desire to keep it a premium-priced upgrade?" "I just embarked on my twice-per-year online shopping trip to see if it's time to upgrade my car stereo to HD. Saw a sudden shift to car radios now being 'HD-Ready' instead of HD for a number of radios. This appears to require the purchase and professional installation of a separate, compatible unit. Anyone know why this appears to be a sudden new direction and what this might mean for the future of HD radio?" http://tinyurl.com/6rbj7y Eduardo - do you have anything to add? |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
... Pretty large selection of radios at our PX (and those in Seoul, Osan). Well that is not the U.S., is it? I was talking about the U.S. Lots of countries where radio is still viable. boxes, portables, personals, bookshelf models, even home stereos. And the ubiquitous i-schlock, some with FM tuners, some without. It IS getting disgusting to see how most portable and small home stuff is being built around the i-Schlock.. hell, even 50" Plasma TV's have i-Schlock docking WTF is i-schlock? |
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"Bob Campbell" wrote in message ... "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... Pretty large selection of radios at our PX (and those in Seoul, Osan). Well that is not the U.S., is it? I was talking about the U.S. Lots of countries where radio is still viable. Actually, it is... since the only radio any GI listens to is Armed Forces Network. Local radio and television are non-starters here (at least the local TV is NTSC-M, American channelization, so if we wanted to we COULD watch it!!) There's no OTA HD, no QRM producing IBOC.. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
... "Bob Campbell" wrote in message ... "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... Pretty large selection of radios at our PX (and those in Seoul, Osan). Well that is not the U.S., is it? I was talking about the U.S. Lots of countries where radio is still viable. Actually, it is... since the only radio any GI listens to is Armed Forces Network. Local radio and television are non-starters here (at least the local TV is NTSC-M, American channelization, so if we wanted to we COULD watch it!!) There's no OTA HD, no QRM producing IBOC.. Right, but that is a skewed sample. You have Americans far from home looking to buy something on which they can hear music/news from home. So they want a radio. If they could hear music/news from home with a ham sandwich, then ham sandwiches would be selling in the PX. So it is a *very* skewed sample. Walk into any dept store/Walmart/Best Buy/whatever in the U.S. How many radios are for sale these days? How many were for sale 20 years ago? 40? 60? There is a definite downward trend. Also, you never explained what "i-shlock" was. |
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"Bob Campbell" wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Bob Campbell" wrote in message ... "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... Pretty large selection of radios at our PX (and those in Seoul, Osan). Well that is not the U.S., is it? I was talking about the U.S. Lots of countries where radio is still viable. Actually, it is... since the only radio any GI listens to is Armed Forces Network. Local radio and television are non-starters here (at least the local TV is NTSC-M, American channelization, so if we wanted to we COULD watch it!!) There's no OTA HD, no QRM producing IBOC.. Right, but that is a skewed sample. You have Americans far from home looking to buy something on which they can hear music/news from home. So they want a radio. If they could hear music/news from home with a ham sandwich, then ham sandwiches would be selling in the PX. So it is a *very* skewed sample. Walk into any dept store/Walmart/Best Buy/whatever in the U.S. How many radios are for sale these days? How many were for sale 20 years ago? 40? 60? There is a definite downward trend. Also, you never explained what "i-shlock" was. I don't where you are coming on this. The last time a walked into best buy there was an isle full of radios. Portables, boom boxes, table radios all made in SE Asia and mostly China. Radio Shack 23 on this page http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032073&cp=203205 Best Buy 34 on this page http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....LLUYPTKC4D3DVA FI?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&ks=960&st=clock+radios& s c=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Eq636c6f636b2072 6164696f73%7E%7Encabcat0200000%23%232%23%231e&list =y&usc=All+Categories&n rp=35&iht=n My favorite Universal 47 AM/FM/SW portables http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/portable.html -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Bob Campbell" wrote in message m... Also, you never explained what "i-shlock" was. i-Shlock = Steve Jobs' overpriced, underpowered, under-featured (but inexplicably popular... no accounting for people's thought processes) mp3 players (which can be beaten by a less expensive product with much more storage capacity and versatility) |
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On Dec 24, 1:57 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , "Bob Campbell" wrote: I don't where you are coming on this. The last time a walked into best buy there was an isle full of radios. Portables, boom boxes, table radios all made in SE Asia and mostly China. No HD though. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... Best Buy has 3 units. Two shelf units and one component all made by Insignia. I never heard of this brand before. Insignia is to Best Buy what Kenmore is to Sears... the house label. I have several of their smaller HDTVs and they are really superior to the other lower-end brands. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... Best Buy has 3 units. Two shelf units and one component all made by Insignia. I never heard of this brand before. Insignia is to Best Buy what Kenmore is to Sears... the house label. I have several of their smaller HDTVs and they are really superior to the other lower-end brands. Insignia is made by 'LG' for Best Buy. LG makes better than average quality LCD flatscreen HDTV's. Not high end but better than many. |
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On Dec 27, 3:02*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... flashdrive wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message m... Best Buy has 3 units. Two shelf units and one component all made by Insignia. I never heard of this brand before. Insignia is to Best Buy what Kenmore is to Sears... the house label. I have several of their smaller HDTVs and they are really superior to the other lower-end brands. Insignia is made by 'LG' for Best Buy. LG makes better than average quality LCD flatscreen HDTV's. Not high end but better than many. - - Used to be called "Zenith". - To be more precise, the US consumer electronics company, Zenith, was - purchased by Goldstar of Korea (now Lucky Goldstar, LG for short). Not sure - what's happened to the badge since, I don't see any Zenith badged products - anymore. Zenith - The Authority On HDTV ! ;-) http://www.zenith.com/ Note - Zenith-brand products are sold and serviced by LG Electronics USA, Inc. |
Shortwave Radio RFI Noise ? : What About LCD and Plasma TV Displays. . .
RHF wrote:
For One and All, Q # 1 - Shortwave Radio RFI Noise ? Which type of TV Display produces the least RFI Noise that can be heard on a Shortwave Radio 3~30 MHz : [ ] LCD TV Displays 20~42 Inches [ ] Plasma TV Displays 32 Inches plus [X] DLP |
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On Dec 27, 4:16*pm, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote: For One and All, Q # 1 - Shortwave Radio RFI Noise ? Which type of TV Display produces the least RFI Noise that can be heard on a Shortwave Radio 3~30 MHz : [ ] LCD TV Displays 20~42 Inches [ ] Plasma TV Displays 32 Inches plus * *[X] DLP Digital Light Processing (DLP) and How It Works http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/1background.html http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/2dlpworking.html DLP TV -v- LCD TV -by- Phil Conner http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html DLP TV -v- Plasma TV -by- Phil Conner http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/plasmatelevision.html LCD TV -v- Plasma TV -by- Phil Connor http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml Dave, This is going to be an On the Wall in the Kitchen 32" HDTV; that will be on the other end of the House from the Radio Shack. -so- DLP is not the answer. 1 - All I am really interested in is there good or bad points to LCD and/or Plasma HDTV Technology -wrt- RFI in the range of 3~30 MHz and the ability to Listen to my Shortwave Radios. Anyone have any specific horror stories about LCD TVs or Plasma TVs trashing their ability to Listen to the HF Bands with their Shortwave Radios. 2 - We are at 4000 Feet here in Twain Harte, CA so do Plasma TVs fail early at higher elevations. -or- is that just a rumor ? -or- has that problem been fixed ? informed opinions please ~ RHF |
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RHF wrote:
On Dec 27, 4:16 pm, Dave wrote: RHF wrote: For One and All, Q # 1 - Shortwave Radio RFI Noise ? Which type of TV Display produces the least RFI Noise that can be heard on a Shortwave Radio 3~30 MHz : [ ] LCD TV Displays 20~42 Inches [ ] Plasma TV Displays 32 Inches plus [X] DLP Digital Light Processing (DLP) and How It Works http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/1background.html http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/2dlpworking.html DLP TV -v- LCD TV -by- Phil Conner http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html DLP TV -v- Plasma TV -by- Phil Conner http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/plasmatelevision.html LCD TV -v- Plasma TV -by- Phil Connor http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml Dave, This is going to be an On the Wall in the Kitchen 32" HDTV; that will be on the other end of the House from the Radio Shack. -so- DLP is not the answer. 1 - All I am really interested in is there good or bad points to LCD and/or Plasma HDTV Technology -wrt- RFI in the range of 3~30 MHz and the ability to Listen to my Shortwave Radios. Anyone have any specific horror stories about LCD TVs or Plasma TVs trashing their ability to Listen to the HF Bands with their Shortwave Radios. 2 - We are at 4000 Feet here in Twain Harte, CA so do Plasma TVs fail early at higher elevations. -or- is that just a rumor ? -or- has that problem been fixed ? informed opinions please ~ RHF . Plasma makes more RFI, is prone to burning-in, and wastes lots of energy. |
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On Dec 28, 5:26*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote: On Dec 27, 4:16 pm, Dave wrote: RHF wrote: For One and All, Q # 1 - Shortwave Radio RFI Noise ? Which type of TV Display produces the least RFI Noise that can be heard on a Shortwave Radio 3~30 MHz : [ ] LCD TV Displays 20~42 Inches [ ] Plasma TV Displays 32 Inches plus * *[X] DLP Digital Light Processing (DLP) and How It Works http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/1background.html http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/2dlpworking.html DLP TV -v- LCD TV -by- Phil Conner http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html DLP TV -v- Plasma TV -by- Phil Conner http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/plasmatelevision.html LCD TV -v- Plasma TV -by- Phil Connor http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml Dave, This is going to be an On the Wall in the Kitchen 32" HDTV; that will be on the other end of the House from the Radio Shack. -so- DLP is not the answer. 1 - All I am really interested in is there good or bad points to LCD and/or Plasma HDTV Technology -wrt- RFI in the range of 3~30 MHz and the ability to Listen to my Shortwave Radios. Anyone have any specific horror stories about LCD TVs or Plasma TVs trashing their ability to Listen to the HF Bands with their Shortwave Radios. 2 - We are at 4000 Feet here in Twain Harte, CA so do Plasma TVs fail early at higher elevations. -or- is that just a rumor ? -or- has that problem been fixed ? informed opinions please ~ RHF *. Plasma makes more RFI, is prone to burning-in, and wastes lots of energy. Dave those are three valid points. Is there any other 'hits' on Plasma HDTV ? ~ RHF |
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PX stores.When I was at Scott Air Force Base, Illinois in 1963, I sort
of liked that woman whom worked at the SAF Base BX store.When I was at Fort Hood,Texas in 1965, every day when we got off work (22nd Chemical Company) I used to get in my green 1963 VW beetle car and stop off at the Fort Hood PX store and buy a big red apple to munch on, on my way to the mess hall. cuhulin .................................................. .... An Apple a day keeps the doctor away. .................................................. .... |
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Bob Campbell wrote: Walk into any dept store/Walmart/Best Buy/whatever in the U.S. How many radios are for sale these days? How many were for sale 20 years ago? 40? 60? There is a definite downward trend. That's because the big box stores are operating under different principles than what anyone over 35 would expect. It's not longer "find out what the customer wants", but "stock what you make the most money selling and intimidate the customer into buying it". (I think the buzzword is "Directed Marketing"). The idea is that the store's buyers and the importer/manufacturer's marketing department know the customer better than the customer does, and can manipulate them into buying something that isn't really what they want, because it's fashionable, (and there isn't an alternative available there anyway). I also suspect that part of the higher profitability is that the cell phone providers, pay for play music down-loaders, and satellite Radio and TV companies provide "sales incentives" (derived from their subscription fees) to the big box chains which causes them to deemphasize any equipment that gets free broadcasts. So radios have been exiled to lower end discount stores, and the drugstore chains (that don't have a conflict of interest between the subscription based services and the customer). Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:4957fb16.3211734@chupacabra... Brenda Ann wrote: IIRC, ALL LCD panels are currently being manufactured in Korea (LG/Samsung)) I think my Vizio 32LCD HDTV has a panel made in Taiwan, although such information is hard to find or confirm. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 It's possible that the Korean companies have farmed out manufacturing by now.. the standard of living here has gone up considerably in the past 20 years, and so it becomes economically advantageous for them to go to countries with cheaper labor costs. Seems a lot of "Korean" products are now made in the PROC instead of the ROK.. |
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Them gals over yonder sure are nasty!
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"Mark Zenier" wrote in message
... So radios have been exiled to lower end discount stores, and the drugstore chains (that don't have a conflict of interest between the subscription based services and the customer). So its not that no one is interested in radio, it is all YAC (yet another conspiracy)! |
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Bob Campbell wrote:
"Mark Zenier" wrote in message ... So radios have been exiled to lower end discount stores, and the drugstore chains (that don't have a conflict of interest between the subscription based services and the customer). So its not that no one is interested in radio, it is all YAC (yet another conspiracy)! We're past the point where "conspiracy" has any meaning. |
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Bob Campbell wrote: "Mark Zenier" wrote in message ... So radios have been exiled to lower end discount stores, and the drugstore chains (that don't have a conflict of interest between the subscription based services and the customer). So its not that no one is interested in radio, it is all YAC (yet another conspiracy)! Hey, if you went to "Buy More" (in the last several years), there's a quarter of an aisle of boom boxes and other bottom end home audio stuck in the back, and there's as much space up front for XM and/or Sirius. And the same thing for satellite TV with a full aisle of display for DirectTV and/or Dish Network, and you have to ask the sales geek if they have any ATSC tuners and he shows you the ONE they have that's $350-$550, and you understand that the digital TV conversion had more than just technical reasons for going so slow, and the stores had the same sort of incentives applied to radio, too. (The subscription services had shareholder's and subscriber's money to boost their equipment sales, the local broadcasters didn't). It's as much of a clusterf*** as a conspiracy, too. 1) "What's on the Radio", and 2) the really crappy quality of the radios that are for sale doesn't help either. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |
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