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Bob Dobbs wrote in news:496ec8ca.3687390
@chupacabra:

Must be an awful slow death, cause there's an AM station every 10kc at
night and although there are gaps, plenty of stations during the day.

He's been pushing this "AM is dying" agenda when it's just not true.

Have a look at this:

http://www.amlogbook.com/freq.htm

This is a database of all the currently licensed AM stations in the US and
Canada. Note that the ones with a # are silent. What is the percentage of
silent? Maybe 5%? And some of them have been silent for years.

He's using this agenda to promote his "we need IBOC to save AM radio"
agenda, when there is no reason to save anything. If anything kills AM, it
will either be finances, or the coming revolution of Internet radio fed
into almost anything you can imagine. IBOC will die along with it, and
that's only a few years away.

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On Jan 5, 4:25�pm, elaich wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote in news:496ec8ca.3687390
@chupacabra:

Must be an awful slow death, cause there's an AM station every 10kc at
night and although there are gaps, plenty of stations during the day.

He's been pushing this "AM is dying" agenda when it's just not true.

Have a look at this:

http://www.amlogbook.com/freq.htm

This is a database of all the currently licensed AM stations in the US and
Canada. Note that the ones with a # are silent. What is the percentage of
silent? Maybe 5%? And some of them have been silent for years.

He's using this agenda to promote his "we need IBOC to save AM radio"
agenda, when there is no reason to save anything. If anything kills AM, it
will either be finances, or the coming revolution of Internet radio fed
into almost anything you can imagine. IBOC will die along with it, and
that's only a few years away.

AM-IBOC will just hasten the death of AM - I agree, that there are
tons of AM radio stations, and many of the 50kw are ranked in the
top-5, or #1 in their marketsw, such as WLW. It is the music-oriented
FMs that are screwed:

"News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

Some FMs are simulcating their successful AM formats, but the AMs
shall remain - listeners expect news/talks/sports on AM ,with its wide
nighttime coverage. Eduardo has an obvious hate of AM radio - his
death theory is an excuse for AM-HD's failure. Also, in Wash, D.C.,
and I suspect elsewhere, FM-HDs are shutting off IBOC. Too expensive
with no ROI, just as what is happening in Europe.

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"elaich" wrote in message ...
Bob Dobbs wrote in news:496ec8ca.3687390
@chupacabra:

Must be an awful slow death, cause there's an AM station every 10kc at
night and although there are gaps, plenty of stations during the day.

He's been pushing this "AM is dying" agenda when it's just not true.

Yes it is. While stations are still on the air, and AM in smaller markets is
somewhat viable as is very low cost, low income niche programming (like
farsi in LA), the listening to AM is decreasing every year. For example, in
Houston, it's onloy 12% of all listening, and under age 55, it's in single
digits. Since advertisers essentially never look for over-55 audiences, and
most AM audiences are over 55, the revenue has been collapsing for a number
of years.

The key indicator is that major AM talk stations, crippled revenue-wise by
the old audience, have moved to FM or are simulcasting on FM in transition,
with more of this happening as the problem gets worse.

What we will end up with is a bunch of stations appealing to smaller ethnic
groups, lots more religious staitons, and a few where any Joe with an ego
can buy time to do their own show.

He's using this agenda to promote his "we need IBOC to save AM radio"
agenda, when there is no reason to save anything. If anything kills AM, it
will either be finances, or the coming revolution of Internet radio fed
into almost anything you can imagine. IBOC will die along with it, and
that's only a few years away.

HD Radio will not help AM in this economy. People won't buy the radios, and
new car sales have collapsed. AM, already near death before the recession,
will end up a wasteland of infomercials and other stuff with no audience at
all.

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"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On Jan 5, 4:25�pm, elaich wrote:

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

FM listening is off only a small amount over the last 20 years. AM listening
is off 30% in the the same period, and that which is left is, in its
majority, over 55 and unsalable to advertisers.

Some FMs are simulcating their successful AM formats, but the AMs
shall remain

50 KW KIRO in Seattle moved to FM entirely. 50 kw WIBC in Indianapolis moved
to FM entirely. KTAR, the best signal in Phoenix, moved entirely to FM.
WTOP, 50 kw in DC moved to FM entirely. New startup FM talk stations in
places like Pittsburgh (beating KDKA in salable age groups already) are
killing the AM talkers. KCBS, 50 kw in San francisco, is transitioning to
FM, as is 50 kw KSL in Salt Lake City and 50 kw WWL in New Orleans.

The AMs are dying of old age, and the few successful ones are moving their
formats to an FM station they own, or even buying one to move it.

listeners expect news/talks/sports on AM ,with its wide
nighttime coverage.

Nearly every AM in the US has less night coverage than day coverage due to
skywave interference from co channel staitons.

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On Jan 5, 9:37�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

...
On Jan 5, 4:25 pm, elaich wrote:

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

FM listening is off only a small amount over the last 20 years. AM listening
is off 30% in the the same period, and that which is left is, in its
majority, over 55 and unsalable to advertisers.

Some FMs are simulcating their successful AM formats, but the AMs
shall remain

50 KW KIRO in Seattle moved to FM entirely. 50 kw WIBC in Indianapolis moved
to FM entirely. KTAR, the best signal in Phoenix, moved entirely to FM.
WTOP, 50 kw in DC moved to FM entirely. New startup FM talk stations in
places like Pittsburgh (beating KDKA in salable age groups already) are
killing the AM talkers. KCBS, 50 kw in San francisco, is transitioning to
FM, as is 50 kw KSL in Salt Lake City and 50 kw WWL in New Orleans.

The AMs are dying of old age, and the few successful ones are moving their
formats to an FM station they own, or even buying one to move it.

listeners expect news/talks/sports on AM ,with its wide
nighttime coverage.

Nearly every AM in the US has less night coverage than day coverage due to
skywave interference from co channel staitons.

"News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

WTOP just became Federal News Radio 1500 AM. I called KSL and WWL and
they have no plans to shut off their AMs.

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"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...

WTOP just became Federal News Radio 1500 AM. I called KSL and WWL and
they have no plans to shut off their AMs.

Yet. Call them again in 5 years.

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On Jan 5, 6:10*am, Dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:

Some of the spots on KGO are ads within ads for a couple establishments,
and the ones for roofing services are pretty much local to the area.

- They have a statewide replacement windows sponsor
- and fresh flowers direct that they run in the evenings.

Any Sponsor with a 1-800 # is 'potentially' Nation-Wide.

Any Sponsor with a WebSite is 'potentially' World-Wide.

Having said that 95% of the Listeners are 'Local' and it
is those Listeners that all the Sponsors are going after
{trying to reach} : The other 5% is simply not effective
use of their Advertising Dollars

Advertising is about getting the "Biggest Bang for the Buck"

Network and Syndicated Radio Shows that can put the
same Nation-Wide Advertisement Buy on 150, 300, and
450 or more "Local" Radio Stations is the 'norm'.

6:58 PM PST on 5 JAN 2009
WebX.Com part of Cisco
KGO Business News {KGO Self-Promo}
Consumer Talk Program {KGO Self-Promo}
Income-at-Home-55.Com
- - - Traffic Report
Freedom-222.Com
- - - ABC News
Lead : Leon Panetta to Head CIA
Auto Industry Down in DEC 2008
Toyota Down
Al Franklin Wins US Senate
Roland Burris Appoint
* 3 2 1 ACE Hardware AD {ABC Network}
* Centrum Silver {ABC Network}
One # 1 of the Gene Burns Program
Lead Item Michael Lewis NY Times Article

idtars ~ RHF

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On Jan 5, 5:47*am, Dave wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
om...
Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations
these days. * KGO is even in iTunes. * Callers can come from anywhere
in the world.

Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings.

Exactly. * Callers from outside of their primary listening area are
meaningless. * Its all about local listeners as far as local advertisers
are concerned. * *Mike's muffler shop in San Francisco doesn't care that
I am listening via the web on the east coast, since I am not going to
drive my car 3000 miles to get a new muffler.

- There is way too much emphasis on revenue.
-*Not enough emphasis on service.
-*Radio should educate and inform, and have fun doing it.
- The best stations were the ones run by eccentrics.

Dave,

Commercial AM & FM Radio and TV is a Business.

PBS TV and NPR Radio are Public Services.

the business of radio is a business ~ RHF

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On Jan 5, 7:03*pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

...

WTOP just became Federal News Radio 1500 AM.

- - I called KSL and WWL and they have no plans
- - to shut off their AMs.

- Yet. * Call them again in 5 years.

Yeah at sometime in the future when they get to the
80% FM Radio Listeners to 20% AM Radio Listeners
and both AM & FM Stations are costing them the
same operating expense the AM will be turned OFF.

and Sold to a Religious Broadcaster within 10 Years
the AM/MW Radio Band will be called the All-Mighty
{GOD} Radio Band - Amen ~ RHF {It's A Vision Thing}

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On Jan 5, 4:25?pm, elaich wrote:

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

FM listening is off only a small amount over the last 20 years. AM
listening is off 30% in the the same period, and that which is left is, in
its majority, over 55 and unsalable to advertisers.

Some FMs are simulcating their successful AM formats, but the AMs
shall remain

50 KW KIRO in Seattle moved to FM entirely. 50 kw WIBC in Indianapolis
moved to FM entirely. KTAR, the best signal in Phoenix, moved entirely to
FM. WTOP, 50 kw in DC moved to FM entirely. New startup FM talk stations
in places like Pittsburgh (beating KDKA in salable age groups already) are
killing the AM talkers. KCBS, 50 kw in San francisco, is transitioning to
FM, as is 50 kw KSL in Salt Lake City and 50 kw WWL in New Orleans.


How do they manage to do that? In most even mid-sized markets, the band is
full. There is not a single channel available based on the standard 800KHz
station separation even in the Portland, OR market. A bunch of years ago,
they even did a frequency shuffle to accomodate more stations (98.598.7,
add 97.9; added 94.7 and 96.3) They've even got 6 LP translators in there
besides a full band of commercial stations.. If they can find room to stuff
in any AM stations in there.... and the list doesn't even count LPFM's, and
there are already several stations only 400KHz apart. Have a look at
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...ity=97214&sid= and
tell me where KEX, or KXL, let alone any of the other city-wide AM signals
could relocate to. Please note... every one of those signals is very easily
heard most anywhere in the city (there are shadow areas for some of the FM's
behind hills).