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WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news!
They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! So has KNX
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WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
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WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Very odd KNX seems to hav reduced, but not completely dropper their IBOC. I can clearly receive the Mexican on 1080, but KNX is still warbling. Which Mexican are you receiving on 1080? Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Wasn't going to hear much on 1080 other than the 50KW flamethrower local (then KWJJ). Could be an American station playing accordion music and singing in Spanish. I think I hear some HD hash, but not much. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! So has KNX
"Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Sanity rears it ugly head at CBS. KNX was off HD for several months; they have been back on for the last three weeks. The reason they were off is apparently some major construction at the transmitter site. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
"Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Very odd KNX seems to hav reduced, but not completely dropper their IBOC. I can clearly receive the Mexican on 1080, but KNX is still warbling. I get it to the same contour as always driving east... around Rancho Cucamonga on the 210. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Very odd KNX seems to hav reduced, but not completely dropper their IBOC. I can clearly receive the Mexican on 1080, but KNX is still warbling. Which Mexican are you receiving on 1080? Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Wasn't going to hear much on 1080 other than the 50KW flamethrower local (then KWJJ). 1080 is usually Cd. Morelos, a "suburb" of San Luis Rio Colorado. XEDY, Radio Gallo, 5 kw CP. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
"Brenda Ann" wrote in
: Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Remember "Crusin' Oldies" with Huggy Boy? Wish I could find an aircheck of that! 1090 is now "Double X" with Sporting News Radio. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
Dave wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Very odd KNX seems to hav reduced, but not completely dropper their IBOC. I can clearly receive the Mexican on 1080, but KNX is still warbling. Which Mexican are you receiving on 1080? Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Wasn't going to hear much on 1080 other than the 50KW flamethrower local (then KWJJ). Could be an American station playing accordion music and singing in Spanish. I think I hear some HD hash, but not much. This morning the 1080 station has some kind of religious twaddle, in EE. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
David Eduardo wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Very odd KNX seems to hav reduced, but not completely dropper their IBOC. I can clearly receive the Mexican on 1080, but KNX is still warbling. Which Mexican are you receiving on 1080? Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Wasn't going to hear much on 1080 other than the 50KW flamethrower local (then KWJJ). 1080 is usually Cd. Morelos, a "suburb" of San Luis Rio Colorado. XEDY, Radio Gallo, 5 kw CP. Yuma. |
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elaich wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in : Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Remember "Crusin' Oldies" with Huggy Boy? Wish I could find an aircheck of that! 1090 is now "Double X" with Sporting News Radio. The border powerhouse quickly reappeared in the 1940s as XERF, 1570 kHz, and still all in English. The station was supposedly down to "only" 250 kW, omnidirectional, on one of those Mexican clear channels it had helped create. There were, however, regular rumors that sometimes, in the dead of night, when the electric bill was paid up, the engineers couldn't resist cranking the thing un poquito mas, permanently fading the paint on every south wall clear to Alberta. The "RF" stood for "Radio Fifteen," but all the world's nerds knew what it really stood for. For all its wattage, XERF was kind of a nowhere station. It tried the same time-brokered format of Texas radio preachers, yee-hah bands, chatty DJs, and quack cures, but without Brinkley to pull it off. It lost money. The owner was forever in and out of legal trouble. Fortunately, Ciudad Acuña still drew larger-than-life figures to its larger-than-life radio. The next one to happen along was Bob Smith, a skinny white kid from a tough section of Brooklyn, who had drifted from one southern US station to the next, learning his DJ gig the tough way. He had one major career problem - he insisted on playing the real, urban blues, the cynically named "race records" by the original black artists. White boys just didn't do that in the late 50s and early 60s - they played the vapid cover versions aimed at nice Caucasian folks. In Virginia, it is said, the Klan burned a cross on his lawn. That's right - this skinny white kid with the black voice who could reach Canada without a transmitter was Wolfman Jack, the legendary radio figure who stoked a generation on the blues, and pretty much invented the sixties. Yes, he's the guy George Lucas put in the movie. Better Lucas should have told the real story though. The Wolfman did not hang out in some hayburner sucking Popsicles. The Wolfman did not play anything as sissy as the Del-Vikings. The one thing he did do was "blast that thing clear around the world," as the dorky actor said. Now, the Wolfman washed up at XERF during a strike. He wound up more or less running the place. XERF's media karma was at work. Magic was alive. The owner had defaulted, repeatedly, on payroll and taxes, and the Federales were getting ready to sieze the station again. Somehow, though, Wolfman and others raised the money to keep the border blaster on the air. They played music people wanted to hear, all the time selling all manner of dubious products on-mike. Wolfman lived in Del Rio and commuted over the border, his Cadillac filled with recordings and $100 bills. With no consultants, no rating books, no focus groups, no audience research, no tests, no wired-up teenagers holding red and green buttons, none of that crap, he re-invented night time radio. He plugged it into That Big Amp In The Sky, and cranked it to eleven - or at least 110% modulation - on his signature howls. If you were halfway hip in the sixties, you knew where to listen. That's all. There was one problem. Nobody was quite sure who owned the station. Nasty letters were written, death threats were exchanged, and XERF started fitting out a private corps of security guards. The station stocked up on some gear not normally seen at a broadcast site, such as automatic weapons and plenty of ammo. The once beautiful transmitter building, already minus most of its original detailing, became even more like a fort. Wolfman Jack liked to tell a story about what happened next. Now, everyone agrees that there was a real, border shootout, just like in the movies, the DJ diving for cover, bullets flying every which way. Wolfman, of course, always said he was there, having heard pistol shots on the air, and broken the speed record down from Del Rio in his Caddy. Others say he probably wasn't there, but that the gun battle definitely happened, followed by lots of cops poking around, lots of investigations and legal complications. No matter how you want to tell the story, it was not the Wolfman's best year. Wolfman moved on, as all radio gypsies must, to another border blaster in a marsh by the Tijuana River, with a dead shot up to Los Angeles, and yet another emisadora muy grande. This was XERB, Rosarito Beach, BC. XERB's signal could hold its own with such L.A. giants as KFI and KNX, and certainly had no trouble whatever shooting up the Central Valley as depicted by George Lucas. It was perfect setup for the Wolfman. Now the mystery man with the huge voice and the good music could own California at night, and inspire everyone. The rest is history, and more than one great movie. http://www.modestoradiomuseum.org/st...of%20xerf.html |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. All you have to do is go to the FCC website and see the number of radio stations that are filing to "go dark." Interestingly, those numbers reveal more FM stations are shutting down for good than AMs. It will be interesting to see the TV broadcasters at the wailing wall after February 17 when they realize their coverage area has been reduced and they have lost viewer ratings which will translate to advertising dollars. As an industry no one had the balls to stand up and protest the ridiculous DTV switchover. They, too, are heading for disaster in a time when they've got so much more competition than just other TV channels. After it is all said and done, will the TV and radio broadcasters LEARN anything from their folly? Probably not. I was in the industry for many years and know how the pack-mentality works there. Once the alpha male comes up with an idea, no matter how stupid, the remainder of the pack feeds off it and sustains itself by feeding off the hype. |
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On Jan 3, 10:28 am, "SX-25" wrote:
These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. All you have to do is go to the FCC website and see the number of radio stations that are filing to "go dark." Interestingly, those numbers reveal more FM stations are shutting down for good than AMs. It will be interesting to see the TV broadcasters at the wailing wall after February 17 when they realize their coverage area has been reduced and they have lost viewer ratings which will translate to advertising dollars. As an industry no one had the balls to stand up and protest the ridiculous DTV switchover. They, too, are heading for disaster in a time when they've got so much more competition than just other TV channels. After it is all said and done, will the TV and radio broadcasters LEARN anything from their folly? Probably not. I was in the industry for many years and know how the pack-mentality works there. Once the alpha male comes up with an idea, no matter how stupid, the remainder of the pack feeds off it and sustains itself by feeding off the hype. Well said SX-25. You sound like a good guy. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Sounds like something straight from you, 'Eduardo'! It's right from White's Radio Logs from the period, plus from Sergio Ballesteros, who has lived in Puerto Rico since about 1974 where he has been a record industry executive. Try to pay attention, boy! I was referring to your "...unadulterated drivel and lies and exaggeration" comment. Ah, a subject you know a lot about, having created most of that content on this ng yourself with your rants about all the groups you hate, like Canadians, Hispanics, etc. |
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:495fca4f.2276328@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: "Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:495fba37.1614609@chupacabra... Dave wrote: Wolfman moved on, as all radio gypsies must, to another border blaster in a marsh by the Tijuana River, with a dead shot up to Los Angeles, and yet another emisadora muy grande. This was XERB, Rosarito Beach, BC. XERB's signal could hold its own with such L.A. giants as KFI and KNX, and certainly had no trouble whatever shooting up the Central Valley as depicted by George Lucas. It was perfect setup for the Wolfman. Now the mystery man with the huge voice and the good music could own California at night, and inspire everyone. The rest is history, and more than one great movie. He did a stint at XERA 91X (91.1) serving SoCal from Tijuana for awhile back in the 80's, which was a fairly progressive station quite popular in the San Diego smsa. That's XETRA. At the time they IDed in Spanish as XERA-FM sin la letra "T" No, they didn't. |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Sounds like something straight from you, 'Eduardo'! It's right from White's Radio Logs from the period, plus from Sergio Ballesteros, who has lived in Puerto Rico since about 1974 where he has been a record industry executive. Try to pay attention, boy! I was referring to your "...unadulterated drivel and lies and exaggeration" comment. Ah, a subject you know a lot about, having created most of that content on this ng yourself with your rants about all the groups you hate, like Canadians, Hispanics, etc. Oh come on. I only hate dumbass Canucks and faux Hispanics, such as yourself, boy! |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... "Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:495fca4f.2276328@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: "Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:495fba37.1614609@chupacabra... Dave wrote: Wolfman moved on, as all radio gypsies must, to another border blaster in a marsh by the Tijuana River, with a dead shot up to Los Angeles, and yet another emisadora muy grande. This was XERB, Rosarito Beach, BC. XERB's signal could hold its own with such L.A. giants as KFI and KNX, and certainly had no trouble whatever shooting up the Central Valley as depicted by George Lucas. It was perfect setup for the Wolfman. Now the mystery man with the huge voice and the good music could own California at night, and inspire everyone. The rest is history, and more than one great movie. He did a stint at XERA 91X (91.1) serving SoCal from Tijuana for awhile back in the 80's, which was a fairly progressive station quite popular in the San Diego smsa. That's XETRA. At the time they IDed in Spanish as XERA-FM sin la letra "T" No, they didn't. I seem to remember their AM plant identifying in the early 70's as XTRA (un-id?) The first AM stereo broadcast in some strange precursor of the Kahn system (independant sidebands, you could listen in stereo using two radios tuned to either side of the carrier) |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Very odd KNX seems to hav reduced, but not completely dropper their IBOC. I can clearly receive the Mexican on 1080, but KNX is still warbling. Which Mexican are you receiving on 1080? Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Wasn't going to hear much on 1080 other than the 50KW flamethrower local (then KWJJ). 1080 is usually Cd. Morelos, a "suburb" of San Luis Rio Colorado. XEDY, Radio Gallo, 5 kw CP. Yuma. Near Yuma, but SLRC is a bigger city than Yuma. I suspect the English religious program is for Yuma. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
The town was called Villa Acuña through the 60's. It was not incorporated until well into the 70's. They identified in English as "X E R F Ciudad Acuna Coahilla Mexico" during the Wolfman Jack/Brother Al period, which I remember as being the early mid '60s. |
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"Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They don't count because these days some bean counter doesn't care. At one time, they were quite important, and a large number of high power stations programmed specifically for them. KWJJ and KGA used to have nighttime programming aimed specifically at coast to coast truckers and sold time to businesses that catered to them, such as truck stops, oil companies, etc. WSM still figures in distant listeners for the Grand Ole' Opry. Nearly every station had someone on their staff that would answer signal reports. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... That's XETRA. At the time they IDed in Spanish as XERA-FM sin la letra "T" No, they didn't. I seem to remember their AM plant identifying in the early 70's as XTRA (un-id?) The first AM stereo broadcast in some strange precursor of the Kahn system (independant sidebands, you could listen in stereo using two radios tuned to either side of the carrier) That was how Arbitron, which couldn't (and still can't) accommodate calls of more than 4 letters, listed them in the book... but they always ID'ed as XETRA when they had to... most of the time it was "Extra" which is a name that goes back to Gordon McLendon's early efforts at all news... "Extra News over Los Angeles." That was the first all news station serving a US market, around 1960, although the format was invented in Cuba around 1948. When the news format failed, in part due to the border restrictions on sending US programming to a foreign transmitter (thanks to Doc Brinkley) they did Top 40 and Beautiful Music for the next two decades. |
WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight!
"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message m... wrote: WBZ Boston has shut off their HD tonight! This is very good news! They've a huge sgnal here and their HD hash was tremendous. Hope this is the wave of the future! Very odd KNX seems to hav reduced, but not completely dropper their IBOC. I can clearly receive the Mexican on 1080, but KNX is still warbling. Which Mexican are you receiving on 1080? Only one I've heard around there was 1090 XEPRS (Back then it was the 1090 Soul Express with Wolfman Jack) Wasn't going to hear much on 1080 other than the 50KW flamethrower local (then KWJJ). 1080 is usually Cd. Morelos, a "suburb" of San Luis Rio Colorado. XEDY, Radio Gallo, 5 kw CP. Yuma. Near Yuma, but SLRC is a bigger city than Yuma. I suspect the English religious program is for Yuma. Possible, but I wonder if it was not another station, like KSCO. Mexican stations have to go through an extensive permit process to broadcast in another language, and it would not make sense to do it in a market that size for one program. Further, there are considerable restrictions on religious programming in Mexico, as well, and I don't think a religious show would be allowed in English... |
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"Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. |
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"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: The town was called Villa Acuña through the 60's. It was not incorporated until well into the 70's. They identified in English as "X E R F Ciudad Acuna Coahilla Mexico" during the Wolfman Jack/Brother Al period, which I remember as being the early mid '60s. Cd. Acuña came in the 70's... it was Villa Acuña in the 60's. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They don't count because these days some bean counter doesn't care. At one time, they were quite important, and a large number of high power stations programmed specifically for them. [/quote] True. If you look at the ads in Broadcasting Magazine in the 40's, many talked about mail count from many, many states. After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or DXX reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer advertisers. With the advent of Top 40 and rock and roll, a few stations like KOMA and WKBW and such, in smaller markets but with big night signals, got the teen audience across large areas. As FM took those listeners and more stations came on the air, that, too, disappeared. By the early 70's, there was no use for night skywave in most of America. After docket 80-90 and with the coming of the Internet, there is totally no use today. KWJJ and KGA used to have nighttime programming aimed specifically at coast to coast truckers and sold time to businesses that catered to them, such as truck stops, oil companies, etc. By the late 70's, none of these shows made money.... although stations continued to carry them since they got good programming on a barter basis. Most overnight shows didn't take the barter spots in overnight, either. Even today, to get Coast To Coast you have to run daytime barter spots. Nobody wants overnight ad time.... even in the big markets. WSM still figures in distant listeners for the Grand Ole' Opry. WSM, today, is the the lowest billing of the former 1A and 1B clears. It is not even in the top 15 locally, with an AM preaching and teaching religious station outbilling it, even. Nearly every station had someone on their staff that would answer signal reports. That has not been true since the late 60's... even in the early 60's, about a third of DX reports had to be followed up with a second or third request to get a verification. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: The town was called Villa Acuña through the 60's. It was not incorporated until well into the 70's. They identified in English as "X E R F Ciudad Acuna Coahilla Mexico" during the Wolfman Jack/Brother Al period, which I remember as being the early mid '60s. Cd. Acuña came in the 70's... it was Villa Acuña in the 60's. I remember it like it was yesterday. I was a total XERF junkie when I was a kid in Scottsdale. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: The town was called Villa Acuña through the 60's. It was not incorporated until well into the 70's. They identified in English as "X E R F Ciudad Acuna Coahilla Mexico" during the Wolfman Jack/Brother Al period, which I remember as being the early mid '60s. Cd. Acuña came in the 70's... it was Villa Acuña in the 60's. I remember it like it was yesterday. I was a total XERF junkie when I was a kid in Scottsdale. And the manager recalls it was always Villa Acuña, Coahuila, México for his tenure, which ended around 1972. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: The town was called Villa Acuña through the 60's. It was not incorporated until well into the 70's. They identified in English as "X E R F Ciudad Acuna Coahilla Mexico" during the Wolfman Jack/Brother Al period, which I remember as being the early mid '60s. Cd. Acuña came in the 70's... it was Villa Acuña in the 60's. I remember it like it was yesterday. I was a total XERF junkie when I was a kid in Scottsdale. And the manager recalls it was always Villa Acuña, Coahuila, México for his tenure, which ended around 1972. The manager is mistaken. The ID quoted here is the one I remember. "Paul Kallinger The booming bass voice of Paul Kallinger was used to sell many of the products on XERF. At night, his recorded spots between the different sponsored shows served as a jingle break. Paul Kallinger remained on the Texas side of the border and recorded his spots at a studio in Del Rio, because he did not want to become embroiled with the lawlessness that swirled around the XERF studio and transmitter on the other side of the border. In between the different religious programs Paul Kallinger would tell XERF listeners in various versions, that: It’s always good to know that we have some fine people out there listening to the most powerful commercial voice in the world … From alongside the beautiful Rio Grande, this is XERF, Ciudad Acuña, Coahuila, Mexico. Our mailing address is Del Rio, Texas. This is Paul Kallinger. To satisfy the Mexican authorities, the portion identifying the station’s call letters and the station’s location in Mexico, would then be repeated in the Spanish language." |
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"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: And the manager recalls it was always Villa Acuña, Coahuila, México for his tenure, which ended around 1972. The manager is mistaken. The ID quoted here is the one I remember. You are amusing. Your recollection, reinforced by a book that is just chock full of errors, is better than the word of the guy who lived at the station for about 12 years, negotiated with the town, and handled all the licensing requirements. Many DXers from the 60's have the XERF verie letter signed by Sergio Ballesteros. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. What is your understanding of the market coverage for clear channel WCCO 830 during the 1960s and into the mid 1980s? During all of that time, as a listener, I heard them advertising to a Minnesota state-wide and upper midwest area market during the day and national spots were common at night. They even promoted their clear channel status and nationwide focus on each ID. Programming was always wide-area oriented and rarely was restricted to the Mpls/St.Paul metro. Everyone over the entire state regarded it as a cherished voice of a people and region, and the station widely promoted that image with various state-wide awards, outreach programs, frequent remotes, etc. Its changes in recent decades are still lamented by older listeners, and I would appreciate knowing if any other clear channels were held in the high regard, as an institution, that was WCCO. Folks of a certain age in our area still wax nostalgic about WGN, WBBN and others, but none of them held as much importance as WCCO to folks in our five state area. Michael |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: And the manager recalls it was always Villa Acuña, Coahuila, México for his tenure, which ended around 1972. The manager is mistaken. The ID quoted here is the one I remember. You are amusing. Your recollection, reinforced by a book that is just chock full of errors, is better than the word of the guy who lived at the station for about 12 years, negotiated with the town, and handled all the licensing requirements. Many DXers from the 60's have the XERF verie letter signed by Sergio Ballesteros. That's all well and good, but I remember hearing the IDs and the "see-you-dad" pronunciation by Mr. Kallinan was quite unmistakable. How come you never listened? |
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"msg" wrote in message ernet... David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. What is your understanding of the market coverage for clear channel WCCO 830 during the 1960s and into the mid 1980s? During all of that time, as a listener, I heard them advertising to a Minnesota state-wide and upper midwest area market during the day and national spots were common at night. The daytime coverage is groundwave, not DX. That a spot be for a national client does not mean it is intended to be heard nationally on a single station. In fact, on a CBS affiliate like WCCO, the dead night commercial time was often used to run the network spots that they had to clear as part of the affiliation agreement. Paid national spots, with few exceptions, have not been the rule at night on AM's since TV took over most of the night audience. They even promoted their clear channel status and nationwide focus on each ID. Programming was always wide-area oriented and rarely was restricted to the Mpls/St.Paul metro. Everyone over the entire state regarded it as a cherished voice of a people and region, and the station widely promoted that image with various state-wide awards, outreach programs, frequent remotes, etc. Again, not DX but normal, groundwave coverage. And, as I said, as each community got more AMs and new FMs in the 60's, 70's and 80's, the need to listen to a distant AM was reduced to near nothing. Today, KTLK FM with a news talk format on FM has more under-55 listeners in the Mppls. metro than WCCO. In Mamkato, St. Cloud and Rochester, wehre WCCO used to have double digit shares, it is now not even in the top 15 in the under-55 age group.... and that listening, such as it is, is almost all daytime listening, too. Its changes in recent decades are still lamented by older listeners, and I would appreciate knowing if any other clear channels were held in the high regard, as an institution, that was WCCO. Nearly all are or were... WSB, WBZ, KDKA, WTAM, KMOX, KOA, KFI, WBAP, WOAI, WGN, etc., were enormously influential in the era when for many miles around there were scant few stations. Today, AM is irrelevant for younger listeners and there has been such an increase in stations that the need to listen to distant AMs is fairly limited. |
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"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: And the manager recalls it was always Villa Acuña, Coahuila, México for his tenure, which ended around 1972. The manager is mistaken. The ID quoted here is the one I remember. You are amusing. Your recollection, reinforced by a book that is just chock full of errors, is better than the word of the guy who lived at the station for about 12 years, negotiated with the town, and handled all the licensing requirements. Many DXers from the 60's have the XERF verie letter signed by Sergio Ballesteros. That's all well and good, but I remember hearing the IDs and the "see-you-dad" pronunciation by Mr. Kallinan was quite unmistakable. How come you never listened? I did not find the station particularly amusing or entertaining after first discovering it in about 1958. By the early 60's, I was more interested in stations like XEB and HJED, which I taped nightly to listen to the next day. Far better music than the stuff on XERF. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: SNIP Its changes in recent decades are still lamented by older listeners, and I would appreciate knowing if any other clear channels were held in the high regard, as an institution, that was WCCO. Nearly all are or were... WSB, WBZ, KDKA, WTAM, KMOX, KOA, KFI, WBAP, WOAI, WGN, etc., were enormously influential in the era when for many miles around there were scant few stations. Today, AM is irrelevant for younger listeners and there has been such an increase in stations that the need to listen to distant AMs is fairly limited. I still do it. I listen to distant stations to hear programs that do not air on local stations. I listen to KOGO almost every day or night. Night time I listen to Bay area stations and KOH in Nevada on a regular basis. For a while KABC was broadcasting that IBOC crap at night making KOH unlistenable. Thankfully that stopped but I still can't listen to them around sunset until that IBOC crap gets turned off for the night by KABC. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: And the manager recalls it was always Villa Acuña, Coahuila, México for his tenure, which ended around 1972. The manager is mistaken. The ID quoted here is the one I remember. You are amusing. Your recollection, reinforced by a book that is just chock full of errors, is better than the word of the guy who lived at the station for about 12 years, negotiated with the town, and handled all the licensing requirements. Many DXers from the 60's have the XERF verie letter signed by Sergio Ballesteros. That's all well and good, but I remember hearing the IDs and the "see-you-dad" pronunciation by Mr. Kallinan was quite unmistakable. How come you never listened? I did not find the station particularly amusing or entertaining after first discovering it in about 1958. By the early 60's, I was more interested in stations like XEB and HJED, which I taped nightly to listen to the next day. Far better music than the stuff on XERF. How abnormal. |
AM Radio Is No Longer King-of-the-Air-Waves -and- FM Radio "IS" LocalEverywhere
On Jan 3, 8:02*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"msg" wrote in message ernet... David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. What is your understanding of the market coverage for clear channel WCCO 830 during the 1960s and into the mid 1980s? *During all of that time, as a listener, I heard them advertising to a Minnesota state-wide and upper midwest area market during the day and national spots were common at night. The daytime coverage is groundwave, not DX. That a spot be for a national client does not mean it is intended to be heard nationally on a single station. In fact, on a CBS affiliate like WCCO, the dead night commercial time was often used to run the network spots that they had to clear as part of the affiliation agreement. Paid national spots, with few exceptions, have not been the rule at night on AM's since TV took over most of the night audience. *They even promoted their clear channel status and nationwide focus on each ID. Programming was always wide-area oriented and rarely was restricted to the Mpls/St.Paul metro. Everyone over the entire state regarded it as a cherished voice of a people and region, and the station widely promoted that image with various state-wide awards, outreach programs, frequent remotes, etc. Again, not DX but normal, groundwave coverage. And, as I said, as each community got more AMs and new FMs in the 60's, 70's and 80's, the need to listen to a distant AM was reduced to near nothing. Today, KTLK FM with a news talk format on FM has more under-55 listeners in the Mppls. metro than WCCO. In Mamkato, St. Cloud and Rochester, wehre WCCO used to have double digit shares, it is now not even in the top 15 in the under-55 age group.... and that listening, such as it is, is almost all daytime listening, too. Its changes in recent decades are still lamented by older listeners, and I would appreciate knowing if any other clear channels were held in the high regard, as an institution, that was WCCO. - Nearly all are or were... WSB, WBZ, KDKA, WTAM, - KMOX, KOA, KFI, WBAP, WOAI, WGN, etc., were - enormously influential in the era when for many miles - around there were scant few stations. *Today, AM is - irrelevant for younger listeners and there has been - such an increase in stations that the need to listen - to distant AMs is fairly limited. Things Have "Changed" in Radio Over the Last 50 Years : # 1 FM Radio "IS" Now 'Local' Everywhere across the Nation both Urban, Sub-Urban and Rural. # 2 Plus the Vast Majority of Public, Educational and Religious Broadcasting is on FM Radio. # 3a The Number of FM Radio Stations is Much Greater that AM Radio Stations. # 3b The Number of FM Radio Listeners is Much Greater that AM Radio Stations and they are Younger. # 3c Most Importantly the Combined Revenues of FM Radio Stations is Much Greater that AM Radio Stations. Conclusion : AM Radio is no longer King-of-the-Air-Waves FCC Data : AM and FM Broadcast Radio Station Totals From a Year 1968 'base' of AM & FM Radio Stations http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/totals/pdf/19681231.pdf AM Radio Stations : 4236 = 65% FM Radio Stations : 1944 = 30% EDU FM Radio Stations : 362 = 5% Total Radio Stations : 6542 = 100% Basically - Two-out-of-Three US Radio Stations were AM back then. Here is the latest FCC Data for AM and FM Broadcast Radio Station Totals Licensed as of 30 June 2008 : http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/totals/bt080630.html Total AM Radio Stations = 4,778 ~ 34% Total FM Radio Stations = 6,382 ~ 45% Total FM {Educational} PBS/NPR Radio Stations = 2,964 ~ 21% [ Total FM Radio Stations = 9346 ~ 66% ] TODAY - Two-out-of-Three US Radio Stations are 'Local' FM Radio Stations. GRAND TOTAL FOR ALL RADIO STATIONS = 14,124 PLUS - The [Hidden] Numbers : FM Radio Stations Translators and Boosters = 6095 Low Power FM Radio Stations = 851 Bring the True {Real} Total FM Radio Stations = 16,292 Then the AM Radio Station Total : 4778 ~ 29% THE REALITY IS - That the True Number Is Seven-out-of-Ten US Radio Stations are in-fact 'Local' FM Radio Stations. Presently in the SF Bay Area there are about 80 FM Radio Stations to Listen-To : While there are only 20 AM Radio Stations on the Air. Back when I was a Kid in High School the 1960s I and my friends listened to AM Radio. Today's Kids in High School Listen to FM Radio; and their Celfones iPods and MP3 Plays 'may' have an FM Radio feature -but- No AM Radio at all. You play your iPod through your FM Radio in a Car. yes many things have changed in the radio business over the last 50 Years ~ RHF |
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On Jan 4, 9:47*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. - Your only experience with what counts depends on - someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully - and having their circumstance being actually - representative of a desirable demographic rather than - the fantasy many of those people present as you do - in this forum. - - -- - - Operator Bob - Echo Charlie 42 Do people over the age of 50 even get Diaries ? To be counted ? ? ? Or is that another sin of omission ? ? ? |
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:4960f150.7883921@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: I'm talking about the 91.1 FM, and yes they did with a female voice. She would say in spanish - "X E R A F M Tijuana Baja California Mexico" If I had a time machine I could simply record it but an argumentative twit like you aren't worth the trouble. I know many people who worked in the market at the time, and all say that the station never skipped the "T" particularly in the Spanish ID, which is an element closely supervised by the SCOP (now SCT). Mexico has had much stricter ID requirements than the US for many years. Perhaps your Spanish was not good enough to catch the rapid flow of letters? |
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:4962f4b8.8756359@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or DXX reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer advertisers. That blatant lie just goes to illustrate what an uninformed jerk you are Evening listening, by the end of the 1955, was down to about 1/4 of the daytime radio listening levels. While there are no national figures, looking at a variety of local market reports supports this conclusion. Add in the explosion of new stations in the decade after W.W. II, there was less reason to listen to non-local stations at any time, and little reason to listen to them at night. |
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