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These people didn't care hams help with emergency services
On Jan 10, 4:04*am, radioguy wrote:
These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services. They still wanted the ham tower completely gone. I wonder who won. Click on http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...tennazoning.co.... Lets be honest here and not confuse the desire to erect and use large antenna structures to facilitate DX'ing and other radio pursuits with the proposition of providing 'emergency communications'. I would guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer in support of the erection of large towers and antenna arrays in deference to zoning restrictions. Even while a vast majority continually chase the holy grail of possessing a 'Big Gun' signal on the air. The argument sounds great till you actually tune around the bands during normal, every day activity and maybe once in a while during a real emergency. What you hear is the daily 'playing' of big gun radio operation. Excessive power, excessive bandwidth used and nothing short of electronic bullying/boasting of my signal is bigger than your signal. When an emergency does occur a relatively small number of big gun stations (usually located away from the big cities on large tracts of expensive, desirable out of the way land where restrictions and covenants do not even come into play) handling the brunt of the communications. And a few passersbyes who may just listen or possibly check in to alternate 'controll the onlookers' nets, so they can tell their buddys and the uninitiated that they were helping out with one disaster or another before they get bored with the whole thing and move on to the latest must have dx or contest contact. Lets be real. Nothing wrong with Dx'ing and Contesting or any other facet of the hobby. But know that these are the real reason behind many off the cuff fan the flame posts in support of knocking down zoning rules and not a 'real' desire to provide an at the ready emergency communications setup. Been around long enough to know that truth! |
These people didn't care hams help with emergency services
Joe wrote:
On Jan 10, 4:04 am, radioguy wrote: These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services. They still wanted the ham tower completely gone. I wonder who won. Click on I would guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer... So? The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out -of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good if an emergency breaks out. |
These people didn't care hams help with emergency services
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, radioguy wrote: On Jan 10, 9:07*am, Joe wrote: On Jan 10, 4:04*am, radioguy wrote: These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services. They still wanted the ham tower completely gone. I wonder who won. Click on http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...tennazoning.co... Lets be honest here and not confuse the desire to erect and use large antenna structures to facilitate DX'ing and other radio pursuits with the proposition of providing 'emergency communications'. *I would guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer in support of the erection of large towers and antenna arrays in deference to zoning restrictions. Even while a vast majority continually chase the holy grail of possessing a 'Big Gun' signal on the air. *The argument sounds great till you actually tune around the bands during normal, every day activity and maybe once in a while during a real emergency. What you hear is the daily 'playing' of big gun radio operation. Excessive power, excessive bandwidth used and nothing short of electronic bullying/boasting of my signal is bigger than your signal. When an emergency does occur a relatively small number of big gun stations (usually located away from the big cities on large tracts of expensive, desirable out of the way land where restrictions and covenants do not even come into play) handling the brunt of the communications. And a few passersbyes who may just listen or possibly check in to alternate 'controll the onlookers' nets, so they can tell their buddys and the uninitiated that they were helping out with one disaster or another before they get bored with the whole thing and move on to the latest must have dx or contest contact. Lets be real. *Nothing wrong with Dx'ing and Contesting or any other facet of the hobby. *But know that these are the real reason behind many off the cuff fan the flame posts in support of knocking down zoning rules and not a 'real' desire to provide an at the ready emergency communications setup. Been around long enough to know that truth! While you're correct, that was the excuse the ham in the article used. At least according to the article. I never noticed any excessive bandwidth hogging on ham radio. Unless it's either the hi-fi ssb I heard about which the FCC was illegal aince it was hogging the bandwidth. However, if that's so, then that also makes using AM on ham radio illegal. And several people still use AM mode on ham radio. Or unless it's using FM on 2 meters and 70 centimeters where an AM signal would take up much less space. Why don't you guys ever bring up the technology? The original reason the government wanted to license the public to use the spectrum was for the general public to be able to use the communications technology that drives the economy and provides people with useful skills for the armed services. The government has always recognized this as a way to encourage citizens to become familure with electronics and communications technologies. The complete ass-backward thinking in this country started with denying citizens utilization of natural resources over the last couple of decades and now is extended to the use of technology. Now we are just supposed to be users of technology that we have to buy from other third world countries. This retarded natural resource thinking has now cumulated into "global warming" BS spewed by the resource hog AL Utterly Boring Gore and Ham operators are just good consumers these days. We are just setting ourselves up for a fall. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
These people didn't care hams help with emergency services
On Jan 10, 9:07*am, Joe wrote:
Lets be real. *Nothing wrong with Dx'ing and Contesting or any other facet of the hobby. *But know that these are the real reason behind many off the cuff fan the flame posts in support of knocking down zoning rules Agree with Joe. The emergency communication thing is just and excuse. If they really want something that can help during an emergency, they should buy a satellite phone. Would also be a lot of cheaper. They've already got a 40 foot high antenna which is more than adequate for emergency communications in the Hartford area. |
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RHF wrote:
Honestly - If everyone wanted and needed Emergency Communications and the US Government wanted it's Citizens to have Emergency Communications. Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio Will you quit being a dip****? Have you ever been in an emergency e.g. flash flood or wildfire? Do you think there are enough paid emergency personnel to cover every street closure? To spot weather? To relay information to the media? Not everyone lives in the middle of nowhere. |
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On Jan 11, 5:22*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote: Honestly - If everyone wanted and needed Emergency Communications and the US Government wanted it's Citizens to have Emergency Communications. Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck *would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio - Will you quit being a dip****? *Have you ever been in an emergency e.g. - flash flood or wildfire? *Do you think there are enough paid emergency - personnel to cover every street closure? *To spot weather? *To relay - information to the media? - - Not everyone lives in the middle of nowhere. Dave, When the Power Goes "Off" for an Hour or More : Then Everyone Lives in the Middle of an Electrical NoWhere : * No{Where} AC for the TV / Radio * No{Where} AC for the Internet / PC * No{Where} AC for the Lights / Heater * No{Where} AC for the Microwave / Coffee Pot * No{Where} AC for the Refrigerator / Stove * No{Where} AC for the Washer / Dryer * * The 'basic' Home Phone may work but the Cordless Phone and Cellphone just might not. The only place most people have with News, Lights and Heat is Setting in their Car or Truck with the Engine Running and that is not good to do in their Garages. {Best Done Outdoors in the Drive Way and Off the Street.} Dave - So it is 'being' a Dip**** to recommended that : "Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_band_radio PLUS a 'Mandatory' Crank-Up and Battery Powered Emergency AM & FM Radio http://www.windandweather.com/produc...76&ref=product http://www.weatherradiostore.com/mfg...=Eton&itmky=59.... The-Bottom-Line : The Hams along can not 'do it' for the People : The People Have To "Do It" For Themselves ~ RHF |
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RHF wrote:
On Jan 11, 5:22 am, Dave wrote: RHF wrote: Honestly - If everyone wanted and needed Emergency Communications and the US Government wanted it's Citizens to have Emergency Communications. Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio - Will you quit being a dip****? Have you ever been in an emergency e.g. - flash flood or wildfire? Do you think there are enough paid emergency - personnel to cover every street closure? To spot weather? To relay - information to the media? - - Not everyone lives in the middle of nowhere. Dave, When the Power Goes "Off" for an Hour or More : Then Everyone Lives in the Middle of an Electrical NoWhere : * No{Where} AC for the TV / Radio * No{Where} AC for the Internet / PC * No{Where} AC for the Lights / Heater * No{Where} AC for the Microwave / Coffee Pot * No{Where} AC for the Refrigerator / Stove * No{Where} AC for the Washer / Dryer * * The 'basic' Home Phone may work but the Cordless Phone and Cellphone just might not. The only place most people have with News, Lights and Heat is Setting in their Car or Truck with the Engine Running and that is not good to do in their Garages. {Best Done Outdoors in the Drive Way and Off the Street.} Dave - So it is 'being' a Dip**** to recommended that : "Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_band_radio Not everyone is comfortable on a two-way radio. |
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writes RHF wrote: On Jan 11, 5:22 am, Dave wrote: RHF wrote: Honestly - If everyone wanted and needed Emergency Communications and the US Government wanted it's Citizens to have Emergency Communications. Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio - Will you quit being a dip****? Have you ever been in an emergency e.g. - flash flood or wildfire? Do you think there are enough paid emergency - personnel to cover every street closure? To spot weather? To relay - information to the media? - - Not everyone lives in the middle of nowhere. Dave, When the Power Goes "Off" for an Hour or More : Then Everyone Lives in the Middle of an Electrical NoWhere : * No{Where} AC for the TV / Radio * No{Where} AC for the Internet / PC * No{Where} AC for the Lights / Heater * No{Where} AC for the Microwave / Coffee Pot * No{Where} AC for the Refrigerator / Stove * No{Where} AC for the Washer / Dryer * * The 'basic' Home Phone may work but the Cordless Phone and Cellphone just might not. The only place most people have with News, Lights and Heat is Setting in their Car or Truck with the Engine Running and that is not good to do in their Garages. {Best Done Outdoors in the Drive Way and Off the Street.} Dave - So it is 'being' a Dip**** to recommended that : "Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_band_radio Not everyone is comfortable on a two-way radio. In a real emergency, the would soon learn to be 'comfortable'! -- Ian |
These people didn't care hams help with emergency services
On Jan 11, 4:00*pm, wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:41 pm, SC Dxing wrote: On Jan 11, 3:23 pm, RHF wrote: A hurricane/snow storm can easily take out any antenna tower. So me evidence to back up your claims. I've had multiple towers in many locations and I've never lost one to a snow storm, ice storm, hurricane, or tornado. *Usually, the tower is the one thing that survives. Then you need electricity Generators are fairly plentiful and run for days on 200 gallons of propane. Then you need someone who is going to listen on the other side. And hams do listen 24/7, somewhere in the world someone is always listening. During Katrina, thounsands of traffic messages were passed, as has many messages been handled during a lot of the ice storms this season up North. My wife works for emergency services and not a single emergency scenario involves using ham radio operators. Then they are not utilizing all the resources available to them. Thankfully, my community involves all legitimate parties during every emergency exercise, including ham radio ops, but CB radio and FRS are never included because the folks who own FRS want to have a family CB service, and CB radio ops are too busy trying to play who has the biggest illegal amplfier. The users of CB and FRS do not have an interest in emergency coms until something happens, then they show up untrained, uncoordinated, and become an hinderance to any on going operations. If anything, *CB radio or mobile UHF/VHF device would be more reliable. Hams use UHF and VHF, so your point is??? And mobile CB is useless more than 5-10 miles away unless you are running illegal power. And a stationary HAM radio can only be used in one location. And can relay messages locally from roving ops checking on health and welfare, as well Statewide, Country wide, and World wide. *Don't forget that hams work in coordination with each other, some mobile, and someone at the base with a tower relaying the information locally or statewide as necessary. Not very good, if you are going around house to house checking on people in an emergency. But ham radio can be used both portable and base, a repeater statioin also comes to mind as a coordinated effort that has proven itself time and time again. A stationary tower is probably the worst choice for emergency communications. Why. Every emergeny service in the US uses stationary stations with towers as the hub to their operations. Satellite phone. Never ever goes out as long as you got it charged. Never. Most folks are not going to pay the outlandish monthly fees for a satellite phone + air time. *The only reason your sat phone works is because not many folks have them. *Just imagine if everyone had a sat phone instead of a cell phone. *I can tell you from experience that on September 11, the whole cell phone infrastructure crashed and was not operable. If everyone had sat phones, it would overload the capablility of the sat, and your phone would be worthless. sounds more like a towering monument to someone's personal status and ego ~ RHF . Agreed. There was a time when a HAM radio operator was a real asset in a disaster. But with the advances in technology, especially portable communications, those days have passed. So where were all of the so called advances when Katrina took out the Gulf Coast? Or during the recent ice storms up North. *Hams have activiely assisted on both events and every major emergency in between. BTW, Which emergency organization does your wife work for, I would like to find out why they are not adhering to the policies set forth in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) 2007 Appropriations Act (HR 5441). Which indicates that Amateur Radio should be incorperated into the contingent plans by all communities for emergency and disaster prepardness. DL DL - You are thinking like a HAM : Who Is Prepared : You may be able to help a few or many -but-What about the hundreds of 'others' in need of H-E-L-P too ? But the Average Citizen is NOT prepared : That Has Got To Change : Putting a FRS, GMRS, and/or CB Radio in the Hands of American Household can make it possible to HELP Hundreds of People in Need. Every Citizen a Neighbor and Neightbors Helping Neighbors in their Local Neighborhoods. ~ RHF |
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On Jan 11, 2:30*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:12:40 -0800 (PST), RHF wrote: On Jan 11, 10:09*am, Dave wrote: Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Dave writes RHF wrote: On Jan 11, 5:22 am, Dave wrote: RHF wrote: Honestly - If everyone wanted and needed Emergency Communications and the US Government wanted it's Citizens to have Emergency Communications. Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck *would have one or all three of these : 1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service 2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service 3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio *- Will you quit being a dip****? *Have you ever been in an emergency e.g. - flash flood or wildfire? *Do you think there are enough paid emergency - personnel to cover every street closure? *To spot weather? *To relay - information to the media? - - Not everyone lives in the middle of nowhere. *Dave, *When the Power Goes "Off" for an Hour or More : Then Everyone Lives in the Middle of an Electrical NoWhere : * No{Where} AC for the TV / Radio * No{Where} AC for the Internet / PC * No{Where} AC for the Lights / Heater * No{Where} AC for the Microwave / Coffee Pot * No{Where} AC for the Refrigerator / Stove * No{Where} AC for the Washer / Dryer * * The 'basic' Home Phone may work but the Cordless Phone and Cellphone just might not. The only place most people have with News, Lights and Heat is Setting in their Car or Truck with the Engine Running and that is not good to do in their Garages. {Best Done Outdoors in the Drive Way and Off the Street.} *Dave - So it is 'being' a Dip**** to recommended *that : "Then Every US Household and Every Car and Truck *would have one or all three of these : *1 - Family Radio Service (FRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service *2 - General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General..._Radio_Service *3 - Citizens' Band (CB) Radio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_band_radio Not everyone is comfortable on a two-way radio. In a real emergency, the would soon learn to be 'comfortable'! - An FRS radio goes a few miles. -*I can reach all of North America 24/7. - Amateur Radio is often the only - infrastructure that survives a calamity. And if the local Hams in a Neighborhood had a Plan to go to the local Neighborhood Fire Stations and not only man Amateur Radio by FRS, GMRS and CB then they would be Helping All the People in Need within the '"Few [Square] Miles" of their own local Neighborhood. The-Bottom-Line : Helping Your Neighbors In A Local Emergency Does Not Require a Nation Wide ComLine. Reliable Local Communications Is What Is Required To Identify People In-Need And Get Them H-E-L-P ! Lets See 5~10 Amateur Radio Operators -or- 50~200 Local Citizens with FRS, GMRS and CB Radios in each Local Neighborhood: I Say Go With The Local Citizens. idtars ~ RHF . - Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! - Try talking to FEMA with FRS. That is simply Bad Planning on FEMA and the Local Responders parts. 1 - A Localized Plan that includes HAMs and FRS, GMRS and CB Radios for a Total Neighborhood Emergency Communications System. 2 - Put Scanners, FRS, GMRS and CB Radios in every Local Fire Station. 3 - Put FRS, GMRS and CB Radios in every American Home. 4 - Put a 10 Watt LPFM Emergency Alert Transmitter in every Local Fire Station so that every American Home an tune into their Local Neighborhood's Emergency News Put a Ham on the Mic. Better require every Local Five Department to have 1/3rd of their Firemen to have an FCC Amateur Radio License; and Trained as Emergency Communications Operators in the use of FRS, GMRS and CB Radios and the 10 Watt LPFM Emergency Alert Transmitter. 5 - Make It Mandatory that Every American Household has a Crank-Up {Battery} AM/FM Radio for Emergency Neighborhood Communications News. idtars ~ RHF |
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SC Dxing wrote:
On Jan 11, 1:09 pm, Dave wrote: An FRS radio goes a few miles. I can reach all of North America 24/7. Amateur Radio is often the only infrastructure that survives a calamity. A hurricane/snow storm can easily take out any antenna tower. Then you need electricity, then you need someone who is going to listen on the other side. My wife works for emergency services and not a single emergency scenario involves using ham radio operators. If anything, CB radio or mobile UHF/VHF device would be more reliable. And a stationary HAM radio can only be used in one location. Not very good if you are going around house to house checking on people in an emergency. A stationary tower is probably the worst choice for emergency communications. Satellite phone. Never ever goes out as long as you got it charged. Never. Has your wife actually been in an OEC? Ask her if there's an operating position called RACES? Amateur Radio includes MF/HF/VHF/UHF etc. Hams can be extremely portable, way more so than a CB radio for instance. http://www.areslax.org/ |
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On Jan 12, 5:56*am, Dave wrote:
SC Dxing wrote: On Jan 11, 1:09 pm, Dave wrote: An FRS radio goes a few miles. *I can reach all of North America 24/7. Amateur Radio is often the only infrastructure that survives a calamity. A hurricane/snow storm can easily take out any antenna tower. Then you need electricity, then you need someone who is going to listen on the other side. My wife works for emergency services and not a single emergency scenario involves using ham radio operators. If anything, CB radio or mobile UHF/VHF device would be more reliable. And a stationary HAM radio can only be used in one location. Not very good if you are going around house to house checking on people in an emergency. A stationary tower is probably the worst choice for emergency communications. Satellite phone. Never ever goes out as long as you got it charged. Never. Has your wife actually been in an OEC? *Ask her if there's an operating position called RACES? Amateur Radio includes MF/HF/VHF/UHF etc. *Hams can be extremely portable, way more so than a CB radio for instance. http://www.areslax.org/ Dave, CB Radios in a Car or Truck are very 'portable' and there are Way More of Them then Amateur Radios. Add in FRS and GMRS Walkie-Talkies D'Oh ! - What's more 'portable' than a Walkie-Talkie ? FRS, GMRS and CB Radios : Simply Empowering the People To Help Themselves in a Local Emergency. idtars ~ RHF |
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Mike wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. During an emergency, when immediate aid is required, you may use any frequency likely to facilitate getting that assistance. |
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RHF wrote:
.. 5 - Make It Mandatory that Every American Household has a Crank-Up {Battery} AM/FM Radio for Emergency Neighborhood Communications News. idtars ~ RHF . Right next to the smoke detector? |
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On Jan 12, 6:07*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote: . - - 5 - Make It Mandatory that Every American Household - - has a Crank-Up {Battery} AM/FM Radio for Emergency - - Neighborhood Communications News. - - - - idtars ~ RHF - Right next to the smoke detector? Dave - Yeah - That would do. -ps- Moderate 'cranking' of the Radio please don't want to set the Smoke Detector OFF ! |
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My wife works for emergency services and not a single
emergency scenario involves using ham radio operators. That's a shame. The ARES group I volunteer with is an integral part of my county and hospital emergency comms. Amateur radio is also the only reliable source of comms between the EOC and nuke plant disaster field teams. We are called out to provide comms every time the Delaware or Neversink rivers flood. There is more.. but you get my drift. Steve |
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Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for
operation outside of the hammy bands. Actually, the FCC states that during an emergency, hams can use whatever freqs get the job done, even outside of the ham bands. |
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Do you think we can get Obama to pay for this from bail out funds ?
RHF wrote: On Jan 11, 2:30 pm, wrote: - Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! - Try talking to FEMA with FRS. That is simply Bad Planning on FEMA and the Local Responders parts. 1 - A Localized Plan that includes HAMs and FRS, GMRS and CB Radios for a Total Neighborhood Emergency Communications System. 2 - Put Scanners, FRS, GMRS and CB Radios in every Local Fire Station. 3 - Put FRS, GMRS and CB Radios in every American Home. 4 - Put a 10 Watt LPFM Emergency Alert Transmitter in every Local Fire Station so that every American Home an tune into their Local Neighborhood's Emergency News Put a Ham on the Mic. Better require every Local Five Department to have 1/3rd of their Firemen to have an FCC Amateur Radio License; and Trained as Emergency Communications Operators in the use of FRS, GMRS and CB Radios and the 10 Watt LPFM Emergency Alert Transmitter. 5 - Make It Mandatory that Every American Household has a Crank-Up {Battery} AM/FM Radio for Emergency Neighborhood Communications News. idtars ~ RHF . . |
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On Jan 12, 1:56*pm, wrote:
On Jan 11, 10:35 pm, RHF wrote: On Jan 11, 4:00 pm, wrote: On Jan 11, 4:41 pm, SC Dxing wrote: On Jan 11, 3:23 pm, RHF wrote: A hurricane/snow storm can easily take out any antenna tower. So me evidence to back up your claims. I've had multiple towers in many locations and I've never lost one to a snow storm, ice storm, hurricane, or tornado. Usually, the tower is the one thing that survives. Then you need electricity Generators are fairly plentiful and run for days on 200 gallons of propane. Then you need someone who is going to listen on the other side. And hams do listen 24/7, somewhere in the world someone is always listening. During Katrina, thounsands of traffic messages were passed, as has many messages been handled during a lot of the ice storms this season up North. My wife works for emergency services and not a single emergency scenario involves using ham radio operators. Then they are not utilizing all the resources available to them. Thankfully, my community involves all legitimate parties during every emergency exercise, including ham radio ops, but CB radio and FRS are never included because the folks who own FRS want to have a family CB service, and CB radio ops are too busy trying to play who has the biggest illegal amplfier. The users of CB and FRS do not have an interest in emergency coms until something happens, then they show up untrained, uncoordinated, and become an hinderance to any on going operations. If anything, CB radio or mobile UHF/VHF device would be more reliable. Hams use UHF and VHF, so your point is??? And mobile CB is useless more than 5-10 miles away unless you are running illegal power. And a stationary HAM radio can only be used in one location. And can relay messages locally from roving ops checking on health and welfare, as well Statewide, Country wide, and World wide. Don't forget that hams work in coordination with each other, some mobile, and someone at the base with a tower relaying the information locally or statewide as necessary. Not very good, if you are going around house to house checking on people in an emergency. But ham radio can be used both portable and base, a repeater statioin also comes to mind as a coordinated effort that has proven itself time and time again. A stationary tower is probably the worst choice for emergency communications. Why. Every emergeny service in the US uses stationary stations with towers as the hub to their operations. Satellite phone. Never ever goes out as long as you got it charged. Never. Most folks are not going to pay the outlandish monthly fees for a satellite phone + air time. The only reason your sat phone works is because not many folks have them. Just imagine if everyone had a sat phone instead of a cell phone. I can tell you from experience that on September 11, the whole cell phone infrastructure crashed and was not operable. If everyone had sat phones, it would overload the capablility of the sat, and your phone would be worthless. sounds more like a towering monument to someone's personal status and ego ~ RHF . Agreed. There was a time when a HAM radio operator was a real asset in a disaster. But with the advances in technology, especially portable communications, those days have passed. So where were all of the so called advances when Katrina took out the Gulf Coast? Or during the recent ice storms up North. Hams have activiely assisted on both events and every major emergency in between. BTW, Which emergency organization does your wife work for, I would like to find out why they are not adhering to the policies set forth in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) 2007 Appropriations Act (HR 5441). Which indicates that Amateur Radio should be incorperated into the contingent plans by all communities for emergency and disaster prepardness. DL DL - You are thinking like a HAM : Who Is Prepared : You may be able to help a few or many -but-What about the hundreds of 'others' in need of H-E-L-P too ? But the Average Citizen is NOT prepared : That Has Got To Change : Putting a FRS, GMRS, and/or CB Radio in the Hands of American Household can make it possible to HELP Hundreds of People in Need. But RHF, why try to reinvent the wheel? *The Amateur Radio Service is alreday recognized by most emergency organizations as the go to folks when they need additionally capacity to handle communication duties. Putting hundreds of thousands of FRS, GMRS, and CB's into the hands every citizen will cause nothing but jammed frequencies and an overloaded of panicked citizens all crying out for help at the same time. Imagine 25,000 cb radios or FRS radios all transmitting at once crying out for help....What you would have is nothing but a garbled mess. The first rule of emergency comms is to have a well defined plan that consists of already trained folks who know how to use the equipment they have, and are trained to prioritize the comms in a useful manner. *In reality, if folks feel that strong about it having the capability, a ham ticket is easily obtained, and there are hams whoes only interest in ham radio is emergency comms, training for it, and support thereof. Every Citizen a Neighbor and Neightbors Helping Neighbors in their Local Neighborhoods. ~ RHF And how are they going to help, who is going to be able to handle the "all at once" radio traffic that would barrage the EC under your scenario. *Even at the local level, such at a fire station, there would not be enough staff to handle the traffic. Imagine 5000 calls coming in at one time. DL DL, CHOICE : Using the 'few' Technical Experts -or- Empowering Each and Every US Citizen To Help Themselves and Each Other in a Local Emergency : Using the best of Today's Communication Technology including : 1 - Radio and TV {Internet} * Emergency AM/FM Radio Crank-Up & Battery 2 - Cellphones and Telephones 3 - FRS + GMRS + CB Radios 4 - If All Else Fails Amateur Radio Operators Sort of Like the Individual Citizens Right to . . . Talkie-Talkie {2-Way Radio} -aka- Right To Bear Arms {Be Prepared} [Citizen's Self-Defense in a Natural Emergency] + 3-Days Safe Water Supply + 3-Days Canned Food + Emergency First Aid & Survival Kits http://www.campingsurvival.com/suremkit.html http://www.campingsurvival.com/suremkit.html + Emergency Signal Whistle / Safety Horn http://www.safetycentral.com/stormwhistle.html http://www.safetycentral.com/masaplblho.html + Emergency AM/FM Radio Crank-Up & Battery + Emergency LED Lights Crank-Up & Battery + Emergency FRS + GMRS + CB Radios + Rain & Cold Weather Gear + Extra Blankets Here are a few Bright Ideas : * Coleman Storm Beam Dynamo Lantern http://www.mcsports.com/product/inde...ductId=3030061 * Coleman PerfectFlow Two-Mantle Propane Lantern http://www.safetycentral.com/copetwprla.html * Kerosene Hurricane Lantern, 7.5" - 6 Candle Power http://www.safetycentral.com/hurlan50ser.html * ACE Camping Lantern http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...ductId=1787728 i am not anti-hams - just 'pro' active citizenry ~ RHF |
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On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. I have a ham radio I bought at the ham store that came directly from the manufacturer which can transmit on the police channels without any modification at all. And yes, it was manufactured by a major ham radio manufacturer, not by some fly-by-night company. And it is FCC type accepted. However, I do not transmit on the police channels. I definitely don't want to lose my liceense. Nor end up in jail. I'm not rich. Even the "small" amount to take the tests is a "big" amount for me. The problem is I have now read that it is illegal to even have a radio that is capable of transmitting on police channels. Since my radio is capable of transmitting on some police channels, is it an illegal radio or not? Looking at the FCC rules, it isn't. And I can prove that. |
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On Jan 11, 8:17*pm, wrote:
On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. okay. It's proof time for me. I have an unmodified ham radio bought directly from a major ham store brand new by me, which straight from the factory, can indeed transmit on some police channels. You seem to claim it's illegal to even have such a radio since I'm not licensed to transmit on police frequncies. However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). However, there are hams who also work or volunteer in the emergency response field who have "type accepted" equipment that is loaded with both their local municipalities frequencies and ham radio frequencies, and do legally use both sets of frequencies as necessary. *As long as the equipment is type accepted and the user is authorized to use the municipalities frequencies, there is no problem nor is it illegal. DL. |
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On Jan 11, 9:10*pm, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:35 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. However, there are hams who also work or volunteer in the emergency response field who have "type accepted" equipment that is loaded with both their local municipalities frequencies and ham radio frequencies, and do legally use both sets of frequencies as necessary. *As long as the equipment is type accepted and the user is authorized to use the municipalities frequencies, there is no problem nor is it illegal. DL. Read the original post. *The reference was to radios that are "wide open", meaning hammy gear that has been modified. *The situation you describe is NOT the same, but I agree, it is legal. *Hammy gear is not type-accepted for use outside of the hammy bands.- Hide quoted text - My ham radio is type accepted by the FCC and can transmit on police frequencies without any modifications at all. However, I do not do that. I value my license. However the problem is that I now hear from some people, or more accurately read from them, that mere possession of such is illegal. I did not know that when I bought it brand new from a major ham store straight as it came from the factory. And the FCC rules did not say that possession of such is illegal. As a matter of fact, according to the fcc rules, it's just the opposite. Although I did read some state laws say possession of such is illegal. What happened to "federal law always trumps local and state law" that 99.99 percent of the hams on here claimed??? The FCC rules even say I can transmit on those particular frequencies, just not from my home, only while I'm mobile. So under FCC rules, I'm allowed to transmit on them while mobile from certain locations, but not allowed to transmit on them while stationary at home. While I'm sure the police in states claiming possession of such is illegal will say just exactly the opposite of the above. - Show quoted text - |
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On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? |
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radioguy wrote:
However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). This is getting interesting. Tell me more. |
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On Jan 15, 12:31*am, radioguy wrote:
On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles *over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? RadioGuy, More Ham Radio This and Ham Radio That - - - yada, Yada. YADA ! The-Bottom-Line : It is Clearly Illegal for 'you' to knowingly Interfere with Official Public Service Radio Operations on Any Frequency [.] - - - Being an Amateur Radio Operator has it limits. Plus - It is Clearly Illegal for you to knowingly Interfere with {get-in-the-way-of} Official Public Service Operations at Any Location [.] - - - Being an Involved Citizen has it limits. now go and enjoy your radios ~ RHF -ps- please stay-out of the way of public service employees doing their jobs. |
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On Jan 15, 3:07 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:31 am, radioguy wrote: On Jan 11, 7:58 pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? RadioGuy, More Ham Radio This and Ham Radio That - - - yada, Yada. YADA ! The-Bottom-Line : It is Clearly Illegal for 'you' to knowingly Interfere with Official Public Service Radio Operations on Any Frequency [.] - - - Being an Amateur Radio Operator has it limits. Plus - It is Clearly Illegal for you to knowingly Interfere with {get-in-the-way-of} Official Public Service Operations at Any Location [.] - - - Being an Involved Citizen has it limits. now go and enjoy your radios ~ RHF -ps- please stay-out of the way of public service employees doing their jobs. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I did not say it's legal to interfere with the police. It's not. I even said the FCC rules say that we're not allowed to interfere with the police. However, I do not consider transmitting on a frs channel that no one else is talking on at the time as "interfering with the police" even if the police say so because they think the shared frs channels are their own private police channels. What if I had never heard them on there in the first place, which could have happened since I very rarely have my frs radios on. I turn to frs channel 8, hear no one talking, so transmit to the other person I'm talking to, and get arrested for "illegally transmitting on a police channel". I try to get out of it by truthfully saying I didn't know it's a police channel. They and the court then come back with "Ignorance of the law is no excuse". But wait, the federal FCC rules says the channels are for everyone as long as no interference is caused. However, even though the police were not talking at the time, but were listening, they consider it as interference being caused to their own private family radio servvice police channel. While I consider it as interference not happening since no conversations were on the channel at the time I was listening and transmitting. Once again, what happened to federal law trumps all local and state laws? I'm no rich enough to fight it in court. So you're basically saying that no one in the general public is allowed to use the frs-only channels even though the fedeal FCC says the can, since a number of public safety agencies inclding the police and ems have decided to use the frs-only channels as their own private publicv safety channels. EMS channel 8. Police channel 14. Etcetera. This forces the general public to illegally use channels 1-7 and 15 throguh 22, since they can't use channels 7 through 14 without getting arrested by the police for illegally using police channels. I wonder what John Wilkerson would say about that. Of course, the public would also be fined and arrested by the FCC and federal marshalls for illegally using channela 1 through 7 and 15 through 22. |
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On Jan 15, 8:12*am, Dave wrote:
radioguy wrote: However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're *quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). This is getting interesting. Tell me more. In the U.S., the 420 to 430 mhz band is assigned to the police, public safety, and I think even some businesses north of line A. FCC rules say a ham is NOT allowed to transmit on those frequencies while physically located north of line A. FCC rules say that the same ham IS allowed to transmit with full power on those frequencies while physically located south of line A as long as the ham south of line A does not cause any interference to the licensed services located north of line A. Questions: If I'm just a little south of line A and transmitting ham ragchews at a certain power level where the police in the next county north of line A can not hear me on their radios, am I transmitting legally or illegally? I say legally. BUT Say I make no change in my transmitter whatsoever and the police in the next county happen to buy newer more sensitive radios and can now just happen to hear me transmitting over them. With me unaware they can now hear me. Am I transmitting legally or illegally. I made no changes whatsoever in my transmitter. How can what was perfectly legal for me to do now be illegal for me to do just because the police not in my area bought different newer radios that happen to pick up radio transmissions better than their old ones??? Furthermore, if a police officer sees a crime or speeder in his own county, he is allowed to follow them into the next county and arrest them there. What if he crosses into the county south of line A and transmits from there, but hears me. As far as I know, he isn't legally allowed to transmit from south of line A. However, despite a lot of hams I see posting on the internet claiming that hams have primary status in the 420 to 430 mhz band, I know that hams actually only have secondary status in that band, anywhere in the country. However, I don't think local police have anyathority in that band south of line A, although I might be wrong about that. After all, the FCC does say that even hams south of line A may not interfere with police north of line A. But what if that police officer travels south of line A where I'm sure he's not allowed to transmit from? I think it's only the federal government (and maybe some others) who have primary status in that band, anywhere in the country. I'll have to check up on that. |
(OT) : PONG RadioGuy "Troll Story"s
On Jan 15, 3:11*pm, radioguy wrote:
On Jan 15, 3:07 pm, RHF wrote: On Jan 15, 12:31 am, radioguy wrote: On Jan 11, 7:58 pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles *over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? RadioGuy, More Ham Radio This and Ham Radio That - - - yada, Yada. YADA ! The-Bottom-Line : It is Clearly Illegal for 'you' to knowingly Interfere with Official Public Service Radio Operations on Any Frequency [.] - - - Being an Amateur Radio Operator has it limits. Plus - It is Clearly Illegal for you to knowingly Interfere with {get-in-the-way-of} Official Public Service Operations at Any Location [.] - - - Being an Involved Citizen has it limits. now go and enjoy your radios ~ RHF -ps- please stay-out of the way of public service employees doing their jobs. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I did not say it's legal to interfere with the police. It's not. I even said the FCC rules say that we're not allowed to interfere with the police. However, I do not consider transmitting on a frs channel that no one else is talking on at the time as "interfering with the police" even if the police say so because they think the shared frs channels are their own private police channels. What if I had never heard them on there in the first place, which could have happened since I very rarely have my frs radios on. I turn to frs channel 8, hear no one talking, so transmit to the other person I'm talking to, and get arrested for "illegally transmitting on a police channel". I try to get out of it by truthfully saying I didn't know it's a police channel. They and the court then come back with "Ignorance of the law is no excuse". But wait, the federal FCC rules says the channels are for everyone as long as no interference is caused. However, even though the police were not talking at the time, but were listening, they consider it as interference being caused to their own private family radio servvice police channel. While I consider it as interference not happening since no conversations were on the channel at the time I was listening and transmitting. Once again, what happened to federal law trumps all local and state laws? I'm no rich enough to fight it in court. So you're basically saying that no one in the general public is allowed to use the frs-only channels even though the fedeal FCC says the can, since a number of public safety agencies inclding the police and ems have decided to use the frs-only channels as their own private publicv safety channels. EMS channel 8. Police channel 14. Etcetera. This forces the general public to illegally use channels 1-7 and 15 throguh 22, since they can't use channels 7 through 14 without getting arrested by *the police for illegally using police channels. I wonder what John Wilkerson would say about that. Of course, the public would also be fined and arrested by the FCC *and federal marshalls for illegally using channela 1 through 7 and 15 through 22. Another one of RadioGuy's absurd "Troll Story"s -aka- 'war and peace' on the internet ~ RHF |
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On Jan 15, 3:45*pm, radioguy wrote:
On Jan 15, 8:12*am, Dave wrote: radioguy wrote: However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're *quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). This is getting interesting. Tell me more. In the U.S., the 420 to 430 mhz band is assigned to the police, public safety, and I think even some businesses north of line A. FCC rules say a ham is NOT allowed to transmit on those frequencies while physically located north of line A. FCC rules say that the same ham IS allowed to transmit with full power on those frequencies while physically located south of line A as long as the ham south of line A does not cause any interference to the licensed services located north of line A. Questions: If I'm just a little south of line A and transmitting *ham ragchews at a certain power level where the police in the next county north of line A can not hear me on their radios, am I transmitting legally or illegally? I say legally. BUT Say I make no change in my transmitter whatsoever and the police in the next county happen to buy newer more sensitive radios and can now just happen to hear me transmitting over them. With me unaware they can now hear me. Am I transmitting legally or illegally. I made no changes whatsoever in my transmitter. How can what was perfectly legal for me to do now be illegal for me to do just because the police not in my area bought different newer radios that happen to pick up radio transmissions better than their old ones??? Furthermore, if a police officer sees a crime or speeder in his own county, he is allowed to follow them into the next county and arrest them there. What if he crosses into the county south of line A and transmits from there, but hears me. As far as I know, he isn't legally allowed to transmit from south of line A. However, despite a lot of hams I see posting on the internet claiming that hams have primary status in the 420 to 430 mhz band, I know that hams actually only have secondary status in that band, anywhere in the country. However, I don't think local police have anyathority in that band south of line A, although I might be wrong about that. After all, the FCC does say that even hams south of line A may not interfere with police north of line A. But what if that police officer travels south of line A where I'm sure he's not allowed to transmit from? I think it's only the federal government (and maybe some others) who have primary status in that band, anywhere in the country. I'll have to check up on that. Another one of RadioGuy's absurd "Troll Story"s -aka- 'war and peace' on the internet ~ RHF |
(OT) : PONG RadioGuy "Troll Story"s
On Jan 15, 9:41*pm, RHF wrote:
Another one of RadioGuy's absurd "Troll Story"s -aka- 'war and peace' on the internet ~ RHF RHF, do you mean Troll Stories? For goodness sake, man, try to use English! At least I could understand what Radioguy was writing. Your misuse of words, your use of incorrect punctuation, and your spelling makes your efforts at being a netnanny seem like irony. Get a clue, Roy. I refuse to believe that you are as stupid as your posts make you look. A college student writing like you do on this newsgroup would flunk out of English 101. Mike |
(OT) : PONG RadioGuy -another- "Troll Story"
On Jan 16, 6:46*am, Mike wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:41*pm, RHF wrote: - - Another one of RadioGuy's absurd "Troll Story"s - - -aka- 'war and peace' on the internet ~ RHF - RHF, do you mean Troll Stories? - For goodness sake, man, try to use English! - At least I could understand what Radioguy was writing. - Your misuse of words, your use of incorrect punctuation, - and your spelling makes your efforts at being a netnanny - seem like irony. - - Get a clue, Roy. I refuse to believe that you are - as stupid as your posts make you look. - A college student writing like you do on this - newsgroup would flunk out of English 101. - - Mike MWB - Yeah I Be - Dumber Than Dumb ~ RHF =SOURCE= Subject : Are hams terrorists? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...fe98f2413b40f0 - Not necessary, I did not respond to the story, - I responded to Radioguy's post, - reporting a blatant troll story. - - 73 DL |
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Radioguy is going to make Bubba in prison VERY happy and satisfied. He'll be cell block 9's favorite bitch.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would like to disagree with the above. However, he is correct; I might end up in jail by the end of this month, although I hope not. And there you have it everyone. according to several people in this thread, which you can check for yourself, if you buy a FAMILY radio service radio with the intention of talking to your spouse, bring it home, plug it in, turn it on to any one of the channels, listen to make sure no one else is transmitting, and no one else is transmitting, and you then transmit yourself on any one of the channels, you are breaking the law by illegally transmitting on police channels since yor local police department might be using that as their exclusive police channel assigned to them by your local County Communications Commission. It doesn't matter that no one else was transmitting on that FAMILY radio service channel at the time. That FAMILY radio service channel is reserved EXCLUSIELY for police use and ONLY for police use by your local unfriendly County Communications Commission. Which unlike the FederalCommunications Commission does not make the assignments known until after an incident like the above happens, and you're already on your way to jail for illegally interfering with ann EXCLUSIVE police channel on the FAMILY Radio Service channels. It also does not make any difference that you did not know it was an exclusive police channel since no one was transmitting. It was and is and "ignorance of the law is no excuse". You should NOT be using FAMILY radio service channels for your FAMILY communications needs. It is illegal to use FAMILY radio service channels for your family communications needs since ALL FAMILY radio service channels are reserved for EXCLUSIVE police use and EXCLUSIVE EMS use by your local unfriendly County Communications Commission. The same can happen with any other CB band also, including 27 mhz CB. If your local police department decides to use CB channel 22 as their exclusive police channel that no one else is allowed to transmit on. I wonder what would happen if some local police department decided to use CB channel 19 as their exclusive police channel that no one else is allowed to transmit on? even while the police aren't talking,justl istening fo hours, and then arrest everyone they can that they hear talking on CB channel19 because CB channel19 is an EXCLUSIVE police channel assigned to them theirselves in that county. O else assigned to them by their local County Communications Commission. What part of FAMILY in FAMILY Radio Service do the police not understand?????????? It would be different if they were transmitting and someone purposely interfered with them on amily radio servicve channels. But when they're not transmitting over it and you have no idea at all that they are using a FAMILY Radio Service channel as an EXCLUSIVE police channel and get arrested for interfereing with police communications when you call your spouse onn a FAMILY radio service channel. What part of FAMILY in Family Radio Service does yor local County Communications Commission not understand???? What part of FAMILY in Family Radio Service does yor local EMS not understand??? What part of FAMILY in Family Radio Service does your local police department NOT understand???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????? |
These people didn't care hams help with emergency services
jabber,
jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, -------------------------- a hundred miles north of him with a ctcss code of 100.0 also unintentiomnally opens up the repeater 100 miles south of him that also uses a ctcss of 100.0, the repeater 100 miles west of him also using 100.0,the repeater 100 miles east of him using 100.0, the repeater 100 miles northeast of him using 100.0,the repeater 100miles northwest of him,the repeater 100 miles southeast of him, and a repeater 100 miles southwest ofhim. |
OT) : PONG RadioGuy -another- "Troll Story"
On Jan 17, 7:14*am, radioguy wrote:
Radioguy is going to make Bubba in prison VERY happy and satisfied. He'll be cell block 9's favorite bitch.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would like to disagree with the above. However, he is correct; I might end up in jail by the end of this month, although I hope not. And there you have it everyone. according to several people in this thread, which you can check for yourself, if you buy a FAMILY radio service radio with the intention of talking to your spouse, bring it home, plug it in, turn it on to any one of the *channels, *listen to make sure no one else is transmitting, and no one else is transmitting, and you then transmit yourself on any one of the channels, - you are breaking the law by illegally transmitting on - police channels since yor local police department - might be using that as their exclusive police channel - assigned to them by your local County Communications - Commission. "local County Communications Commission" ROTFL blah, Blah. BLAH ! The 'locasl' Sonora City and Tuolumne Country and CHP don't use any FRS channels around here. All of what you are jabbering about would appear to be another RadioGuy "Troll Story" where 'you' are the Victim of some great plot to deprive you of playing with you radios. radioguy - stop your whining and simply legally enjoy your radios ~ RHF |
(OT) : Yeah - It's just another RadioGuy "Troll Story"
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:45:52 -0800 (PST), RHF
wrote: On Jan 18, 9:48*am, "Jim Hampton" wrote: Hello gang, That would only happen if the other repeaters were also on the same frequency. *Not going to happen unless you are flying a private aircraft several thousand feet up. *Then folks will get unhappy. This is why repeaters are supposed to be coordinated. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim"radioguy" wrote in message ... On Jan 10, 10:03 am, Dave wrote: Joe wrote: On Jan 10, 4:04 am, radioguy wrote: These people didn't care that hams help provide emergency services. They still wanted the ham tower completely gone. I wonder who won. Click on I would guess that 99.9% of the ham population never has or ever will provide the types of 'emergency communications' to which you refer... So? The point is that the more hams there are the more likely that the 1-out -of-a-thousand that you refer to is in a place where he can do some good if an emergency breaks out. Correct. Unlike the poster who said all that is neede isone or a few hams in a very rural area. * I did plan on moving to a rural area, then I found out that hams don't like hams operating from rural areas because whenever they use any one of the nearest repeaters to them, they always simultaneously open up all the nearest repeaters to them that have the same CTCSS code on the same frequency they're operating on. A rural ham who intenionally opens up the nearest repeater, a hundred miles north of him with a ctcss code of 100.0 also unintentiomnally opens up the repeater 100 miles south of him that also uses a ctcss of 100.0, the repeater 100 miles west of him also using 100.0,the repeater 100 miles east of him using 100.0, the repeater 100 miles northeast of him using 100.0,the repeater 100miles northwest of him,the repeater 100 miles southeast of him, and a repeater 100 miles southwest ofhim. Yeah - It's just another RadioGuy "Troll Story" How many 'made-up' Amateur Radio Operator problems can you fit on the head of a pin ? ? ? just ask RadioGuy ;;-{ ~ RHF . |
get kelp
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:14:55 -0800 (PST), RHF
wrote: On Jan 17, 7:14*am, radioguy wrote: Radioguy is going to make Bubba in prison VERY happy and satisfied. He'll be cell block 9's favorite bitch.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would like to disagree with the above. However, he is correct; I might end up in jail by the end of this month, although I hope not. And there you have it everyone. according to several people in this thread, which you can check for yourself, if you buy a FAMILY radio service radio with the intention of talking to your spouse, bring it home, plug it in, turn it on to any one of the *channels, *listen to make sure no one else is transmitting, and no one else is transmitting, and you then transmit yourself on any one of the channels, - you are breaking the law by illegally transmitting on - police channels since yor local police department - might be using that as their exclusive police channel - assigned to them by your local County Communications - Commission. "local County Communications Commission" ROTFL blah, Blah. BLAH ! The 'locasl' Sonora City and Tuolumne Country and CHP don't use any FRS channels around here. All of what you are jabbering about would appear to be another RadioGuy "Troll Story" where 'you' are the Victim of some great plot to deprive you of playing with you radios. radioguy - stop your whining and simply legally enjoy your radios ~ RHF . It doesn't matter that no one else was transmitting on that FAMILY radio service channel at the time. That FAMILY radio service channel is reserved EXCLUSIELY for police use and ONLY for police use by your local unfriendly County Communications Commission. Which unlike the FederalCommunications Commission does not make the assignments known until after an incident like the above happens, and you're already on your way to jail for illegally interfering with ann EXCLUSIVE police channel on the FAMILY Radio Service channels. It also does not make any difference that you did not know it was an exclusive police channel since no one was transmitting. It was and is and "ignorance *of the law is no excuse". You should NOT be using FAMILY radio service channels for your FAMILY communications needs. It is illegal to use FAMILY radio service channels for your family communications needs since ALL FAMILY radio service channels are reserved for EXCLUSIVE police use and EXCLUSIVE EMS use by your local unfriendly County Communications Commission. The same can happen with any other CB band also, including 27 mhz CB. If your local police department decides to use CB channel 22 as their exclusive police channel that no one else is allowed to transmit on. I wonder what would happen if some local police department decided to use CB channel 19 as their exclusive police channel that no one else is allowed to transmit on? even while the police aren't talking,justl istening fo hours, and then arrest everyone they can that they hear talking on CB channel19 because CB channel19 is an EXCLUSIVE police channel assigned to them theirselves in that county. O else assigned to them by their local County Communications Commission. What part of FAMILY in FAMILY Radio Service do the police not understand?????????? It would be different if they were transmitting and someone purposely interfered with them on amily radio servicve channels. But when they're not transmitting over it and you have no idea at all that they are using a FAMILY Radio Service channel as an EXCLUSIVE police channel and get arrested for interfereing with police communications when you call your spouse onn a FAMILY radio service channel. What part of FAMILY in Family Radio Service *does yor local County Communications Commission not understand???? What part of FAMILY in Family Radio *Service does yor local EMS not understand??? What part of FAMILY in Family Radio Service does your local police department NOT understand??????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????? |
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