Brenda Ann wrote:

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a bunch of crap

How about we blame it all on the ones who are REALLY to blame? Let's drop
all this idiotic political bullcrap coming from both sides, and call it the
way it really is...

The ONLY ones to blame for the mortgage crisis are those who stupidly went
far beyond their means to obtain a home loan, and couldn't pay it as agreed.
No politician, on either side, twisted anyone's arm or held a gun to
anyone's head in order to force them to take a mortgage 200-300% beyond
their financial means.

I'm so sick of everyone.. EVERYONE.. blaming someone else for their actions.
The only thing that's going to save our economy, or even our society for
that matter, in the long run, is for people to go back to taking personal
responsibility for their own actions instead of trying to blame any other
convenient scapegoat, whether it be a politician, banker, or whatever.

One has to blame the politicians because they are the ones who set the rock on
its way down the hill (no pun intended),

And people, being people, took things to the extreme.

In fact, people (mostly more politicians), have been back up to the hill to beg
for more rocks.

Sometime, down the rocky road, we'll discover that the porkulus didn't work.

And, it would seem as though we're already beginning to see a glimmer of the end
of this current 'recession', which was going to end whether one dime was spent
or not.

But, pork excites the masses, pork buys votes. But when pork is not cooked
properly and with care, trichinosis results.

Chew carefully.

dxAce wrote:


And, it would seem as though we're already beginning to see a glimmer of the end
of this current 'recession', which was going to end whether one dime was spent
or not.

That's this week's talking point, anyway. However there are no data to
back up such an assertion. This is going to take years, and (hopefully)
we'll never get back to where we were.

dave wrote:

dxAce wrote:


And, it would seem as though we're already beginning to see a glimmer of the end
of this current 'recession', which was going to end whether one dime was spent
or not.

That's this week's talking point, anyway.

Actually, I heard about it, say two weeks or so back.

However there are no data to
back up such an assertion.

I believe the data came from OMB.

This is going to take years, and (hopefully)
we'll never get back to where we were.

We'll be back!

dxAce wrote:

dave wrote:

dxAce wrote:

And, it would seem as though we're already beginning to see a glimmer of the end
of this current 'recession', which was going to end whether one dime was spent
or not.
That's this week's talking point, anyway.

Actually, I heard about it, say two weeks or so back.

However there are no data to
back up such an assertion.

I believe the data came from OMB.

This is going to take years, and (hopefully)
we'll never get back to where we were.

We'll be back!


That's what frightens me. Ever heard of a dead cat bounce?

dave wrote:

dxAce wrote:

dave wrote:

dxAce wrote:

And, it would seem as though we're already beginning to see a glimmer of the end
of this current 'recession', which was going to end whether one dime was spent
or not.
That's this week's talking point, anyway.

Actually, I heard about it, say two weeks or so back.

However there are no data to
back up such an assertion.

I believe the data came from OMB.

This is going to take years, and (hopefully)
we'll never get back to where we were.

We'll be back!


That's what frightens me. Ever heard of a dead cat bounce?

Yep, and I've heard of dumbass schizophrenics before, too!

dxAce wrote:


That's what frightens me. Ever heard of a dead cat bounce?

Yep, and I've heard of dumbass schizophrenics before, too!


I'm sure you have.

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dxAce wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

wrote in message
...

a bunch of crap

How about we blame it all on the ones who are REALLY to blame?
Let's drop all this idiotic political bullcrap coming from both
sides, and call it the way it really is...

The ONLY ones to blame for the mortgage crisis are those who
stupidly went far beyond their means to obtain a home loan, and
couldn't pay it as agreed. No politician, on either side, twisted
anyone's arm or held a gun to anyone's head in order to force them
to take a mortgage 200-300% beyond their financial means.

I'm so sick of everyone.. EVERYONE.. blaming someone else for their
actions. The only thing that's going to save our economy, or even
our society for that matter, in the long run, is for people to go
back to taking personal responsibility for their own actions
instead of trying to blame any other convenient scapegoat, whether
it be a politician, banker, or whatever.

One has to blame the politicians because they are the ones who set
the rock on its way down the hill (no pun intended),

And people, being people, took things to the extreme.

In fact, people (mostly more politicians), have been back up to the
hill to beg for more rocks.

Sometime, down the rocky road, we'll discover that the porkulus
didn't work.

And, it would seem as though we're already beginning to see a glimmer
of the end of this current 'recession', which was going to end
whether one dime was spent or not.

But, pork excites the masses, pork buys votes. But when pork is not
cooked properly and with care, trichinosis results.

Chew carefully.

Hey, let's call it what it really is, pork is just a way to buy votes.
That is outright fraudulent behavior. It is not any more complicated
than that. Once you allow vote buying it is impossible to expect human
beings not to abuse that power. It is just too tempting for most to
resist.

There must be an iron clad rule that bills can not be written to include
spending of this nature and congress people must recluse themselves from
voting on a bill when prudent. If they are not doing this then they are
playing the pork bill vote buying power game. Congress people should be
impeached for vote buying. That will get rid of the scum that keeps
getting voted back into office.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

There must be an iron clad rule that bills can not be written to include
spending of this nature and congress people must recluse themselves from
voting on a bill when prudent. If they are not doing this then they are
playing the pork bill vote buying power game. Congress people should be
impeached for vote buying. That will get rid of the scum that keeps
getting voted back into office.

I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

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dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

There must be an iron clad rule that bills can not be written to include
spending of this nature and congress people must recluse themselves from
voting on a bill when prudent. If they are not doing this then they are
playing the pork bill vote buying power game. Congress people should be
impeached for vote buying. That will get rid of the scum that keeps
getting voted back into office.

I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

Nope. National defense is one of the few things the Federal government
is supposed to spend money on. The Federal Government is charged with
providing for the common defense.

The Fed's are not supposed to be dolling money out to this or that state
through this or that agency, bureau, commission, or bill. The Fed can
spend money on border defense, the armed services, interstate commerce
and that's about it.

Congress people should be impeached for any vote deal making period.
Congress people should recluse themselves on any bill that enriches any
of their constituents.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:


I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

Nope. National defense is one of the few things the Federal government
is supposed to spend money on. The Federal Government is charged with
providing for the common defense.


So is securing the blessings of liberty for all, not just the entrenched
wealthy elite.

We have failed on so many levels it seems silly to selective assign blame.