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dxAce wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

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a bunch of crap

How about we blame it all on the ones who are REALLY to blame?
Let's drop all this idiotic political bullcrap coming from both
sides, and call it the way it really is...

The ONLY ones to blame for the mortgage crisis are those who
stupidly went far beyond their means to obtain a home loan, and
couldn't pay it as agreed. No politician, on either side, twisted
anyone's arm or held a gun to anyone's head in order to force them
to take a mortgage 200-300% beyond their financial means.

I'm so sick of everyone.. EVERYONE.. blaming someone else for their
actions. The only thing that's going to save our economy, or even
our society for that matter, in the long run, is for people to go
back to taking personal responsibility for their own actions
instead of trying to blame any other convenient scapegoat, whether
it be a politician, banker, or whatever.

One has to blame the politicians because they are the ones who set
the rock on its way down the hill (no pun intended),

And people, being people, took things to the extreme.

In fact, people (mostly more politicians), have been back up to the
hill to beg for more rocks.

Sometime, down the rocky road, we'll discover that the porkulus
didn't work.

And, it would seem as though we're already beginning to see a glimmer
of the end of this current 'recession', which was going to end
whether one dime was spent or not.

But, pork excites the masses, pork buys votes. But when pork is not
cooked properly and with care, trichinosis results.

Chew carefully.

Hey, let's call it what it really is, pork is just a way to buy votes.
That is outright fraudulent behavior. It is not any more complicated
than that. Once you allow vote buying it is impossible to expect human
beings not to abuse that power. It is just too tempting for most to
resist.

There must be an iron clad rule that bills can not be written to include
spending of this nature and congress people must recluse themselves from
voting on a bill when prudent. If they are not doing this then they are
playing the pork bill vote buying power game. Congress people should be
impeached for vote buying. That will get rid of the scum that keeps
getting voted back into office.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

There must be an iron clad rule that bills can not be written to include
spending of this nature and congress people must recluse themselves from
voting on a bill when prudent. If they are not doing this then they are
playing the pork bill vote buying power game. Congress people should be
impeached for vote buying. That will get rid of the scum that keeps
getting voted back into office.

I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

There must be an iron clad rule that bills can not be written to include
spending of this nature and congress people must recluse themselves from
voting on a bill when prudent. If they are not doing this then they are
playing the pork bill vote buying power game. Congress people should be
impeached for vote buying. That will get rid of the scum that keeps
getting voted back into office.

I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

Nope. National defense is one of the few things the Federal government
is supposed to spend money on. The Federal Government is charged with
providing for the common defense.

The Fed's are not supposed to be dolling money out to this or that state
through this or that agency, bureau, commission, or bill. The Fed can
spend money on border defense, the armed services, interstate commerce
and that's about it.

Congress people should be impeached for any vote deal making period.
Congress people should recluse themselves on any bill that enriches any
of their constituents.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:


I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

Nope. National defense is one of the few things the Federal government
is supposed to spend money on. The Federal Government is charged with
providing for the common defense.


So is securing the blessings of liberty for all, not just the entrenched
wealthy elite.

We have failed on so many levels it seems silly to selective assign blame.

On Feb 8, 2:02*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,

*dave wrote:
Telamon wrote:

There must be an iron clad rule that bills can not be written to include
spending of this nature and congress people must recluse themselves from
voting on a bill when prudent. If they are not doing this then they are
playing the pork bill vote buying power game. Congress people should be
impeached for vote buying. That will get rid of the scum that keeps
getting voted back into office.

I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

- Nope. National defense is one of the few things
- the Federal government is supposed to spend
- money on. The Federal Government is charged
- with providing for the common defense.

Dang Dave - Telamon is Right-On !

The Constitution of the United States of America
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut....preamble.html
* * * Preamble {Starting With} "We The People...."
We the people of the United States, in order to
form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure
domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense,
promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings
of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

On Feb 8, 12:48*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*"Brenda Ann" wrote:



wrote in message
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a bunch of crap

How about we blame it all on the ones who are REALLY to blame? *Let's drop
all this idiotic political bullcrap coming from both sides, and call it the
way it really is...

SNIP

- I blame RHF. He posts the most crap.
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- Telamon
- Ventura, California

More CRAP All The Time And Every Where

**** 3-hours a day is all i ask ~ RHF

Telamon wrote:

I will agree to that provided you agree that we make defense contractors
not-for-profit enterprises.

Nope. National defense is one of the few things the Federal government
is supposed to spend money on. The Federal Government is charged with
providing for the common defense.

You are answering the wrong question. dave asked to eliminate the profit
motive from arms sales to government, not for Government to stop
spending on arms.

I don't know why dave would ask that.

We all know that NO defense contractor has EVER overpriced ANYTHING they
have sold to the US taxpayer. Even the lobbyists serve a valuable role.
Politicians in general are so underpaid that they NEED all the free
lunches they can get.

mike