In article ,
Bart Bailey wrote:

Saw a fairly good blowout price on a tabletop Accurion, had only
recently heard of them, seems fairly decent quality, good
fit-'n-finish, made in China. AMBCB was somewhat of a disappointment
as there are only two stations I could get here in SoCal with the
inferior low-gain supplied indoor loop, KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 and
they both only showed their call sign and no program info, KNX did
say it was in Los Angeles. The FMBCB on the other hand was a
pleasant surprise with many stations offering sub channels and the
local Public Broadcasting station, KPBS 89.5, offering two. I know
there's been lots of talk about the bandwidth hogging aspect of
HD-AMBCB, maybe that could be dropped, but the digitally encoded
sub-channels of FMBCB don't seem to have any more negative effect
than the long standing presence of SCA services, which aren't even
noticed when tuning. I don't regret having a nice sounding tabletop
that I can control via an IR remote, even if all HD goes away.

The more sub channels offered the lower the bit rate for any one
channel. The low bit rate may work for voice but not music. I don't
even like it for voice myself.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Mar 8, 7:33*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*Bart Bailey wrote:

Saw a fairly good blowout price on a tabletop Accurion, had only
recently heard of them, seems fairly decent quality, good
fit-'n-finish, made in China. AMBCB was somewhat of a disappointment
as there are only two stations I could get here in SoCal with the
inferior low-gain supplied indoor loop, KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 and
they both only showed their call sign and no program info, KNX did
say it was in Los Angeles. *The FMBCB on the other hand was a
pleasant surprise with many stations offering sub channels and the
local Public Broadcasting station, KPBS 89.5, offering two. I know
there's been lots of talk about the bandwidth *hogging aspect of
HD-AMBCB, maybe that could be dropped, but the digitally encoded
sub-channels of FMBCB don't seem to have any more negative effect
than the long standing presence of SCA services, which aren't even
noticed when tuning. I don't regret having a nice sounding tabletop
that I can control via an IR remote, even if all HD goes away.

The more sub channels offered the lower the bit rate for any one
channel. The low bit rate may work for voice but not music. I don't
even like it for voice myself.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Radio is dead. Let the Liberal Fascists inherit the medium. The
future is untouchable by Socialist Government control. Internet
Streaming of digital 5.1 surround sound.

wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:33 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
Bart Bailey wrote:

Saw a fairly good blowout price on a tabletop Accurion, had only
recently heard of them, seems fairly decent quality, good
fit-'n-finish, made in China. AMBCB was somewhat of a disappointment
as there are only two stations I could get here in SoCal with the
inferior low-gain supplied indoor loop, KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 and
they both only showed their call sign and no program info, KNX did
say it was in Los Angeles. The FMBCB on the other hand was a
pleasant surprise with many stations offering sub channels and the
local Public Broadcasting station, KPBS 89.5, offering two. I know
there's been lots of talk about the bandwidth hogging aspect of
HD-AMBCB, maybe that could be dropped, but the digitally encoded
sub-channels of FMBCB don't seem to have any more negative effect
than the long standing presence of SCA services, which aren't even
noticed when tuning. I don't regret having a nice sounding tabletop
that I can control via an IR remote, even if all HD goes away.
The more sub channels offered the lower the bit rate for any one
channel. The low bit rate may work for voice but not music. I don't
even like it for voice myself.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Radio is dead. Let the Liberal Fascists inherit the medium. The
future is untouchable by Socialist Government control. Internet
Streaming of digital 5.1 surround sound.

dolby? dts? Fraunhofer?

In article
,
wrote:

On Mar 8, 7:33*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*Bart Bailey wrote:

Saw a fairly good blowout price on a tabletop Accurion, had only
recently heard of them, seems fairly decent quality, good
fit-'n-finish, made in China. AMBCB was somewhat of a disappointment
as there are only two stations I could get here in SoCal with the
inferior low-gain supplied indoor loop, KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 and
they both only showed their call sign and no program info, KNX did
say it was in Los Angeles. *The FMBCB on the other hand was a
pleasant surprise with many stations offering sub channels and the
local Public Broadcasting station, KPBS 89.5, offering two. I know
there's been lots of talk about the bandwidth *hogging aspect of
HD-AMBCB, maybe that could be dropped, but the digitally encoded
sub-channels of FMBCB don't seem to have any more negative effect
than the long standing presence of SCA services, which aren't even
noticed when tuning. I don't regret having a nice sounding tabletop
that I can control via an IR remote, even if all HD goes away.

The more sub channels offered the lower the bit rate for any one
channel. The low bit rate may work for voice but not music. I don't
even like it for voice myself.


Radio is dead. Let the Liberal Fascists inherit the medium. The
future is untouchable by Socialist Government control. Internet
Streaming of digital 5.1 surround sound.

I'm not going to let them have it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Mar 8, 7:20*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,



wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:33*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*Bart Bailey wrote:

Saw a fairly good blowout price on a tabletop Accurion, had only
recently heard of them, seems fairly decent quality, good
fit-'n-finish, made in China. AMBCB was somewhat of a disappointment
as there are only two stations I could get here in SoCal with the
inferior low-gain supplied indoor loop, KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 and
they both only showed their call sign and no program info, KNX did
say it was in Los Angeles. *The FMBCB on the other hand was a
pleasant surprise with many stations offering sub channels and the
local Public Broadcasting station, KPBS 89.5, offering two. I know
there's been lots of talk about the bandwidth *hogging aspect of
HD-AMBCB, maybe that could be dropped, but the digitally encoded
sub-channels of FMBCB don't seem to have any more negative effect
than the long standing presence of SCA services, which aren't even
noticed when tuning. I don't regret having a nice sounding tabletop
that I can control via an IR remote, even if all HD goes away.

The more sub channels offered the lower the bit rate for any one
channel. The low bit rate may work for voice but not music. I don't
even like it for voice myself.

Radio is dead. *Let the Liberal Fascists inherit the medium. *The
future is untouchable by Socialist Government control. *Internet
Streaming of digital 5.1 surround sound.

I'm not going to let them have it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

They'l have to pry my old Analog AM&FM Radio
out of my cold dead hands. - ya hear that ~ RHF

In article ,
Bart Bailey wrote:

In
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posted on Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:33:17 -0700, Telamon wrote: Begin

In article ,
Bart Bailey wrote:

Saw a fairly good blowout price on a tabletop Accurion, had only
recently heard of them, seems fairly decent quality, good
fit-'n-finish, made in China. AMBCB was somewhat of a disappointment
as there are only two stations I could get here in SoCal with the
inferior low-gain supplied indoor loop, KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 and
they both only showed their call sign and no program info, KNX did
say it was in Los Angeles. The FMBCB on the other hand was a
pleasant surprise with many stations offering sub channels and the
local Public Broadcasting station, KPBS 89.5, offering two. I know
there's been lots of talk about the bandwidth hogging aspect of
HD-AMBCB, maybe that could be dropped, but the digitally encoded
sub-channels of FMBCB don't seem to have any more negative effect
than the long standing presence of SCA services, which aren't even
noticed when tuning. I don't regret having a nice sounding tabletop
that I can control via an IR remote, even if all HD goes away.

The more sub channels offered the lower the bit rate for any one
channel. The low bit rate may work for voice but not music. I don't
even like it for voice myself.

Our local KPBS 89.5 has a total content of four services and I don't
find their digital programming unpleasantly restricted.
They have their primary analog audio plus two digital sub channels,
one classical and the other a streaming feed of Groove Salad,
neither of which have any noticeable audio deficiencies, and then
there's the SCA (radio reading service) which I remember to be slightly
inferior analog audio when music would play, but it was mostly talk.
I no longer have an SCA decoder nor does the new Accurian.

I've listened to recordings and HD has artifacts I don't like to listen
to so you are not going to convince me it's OK because it isn't. The
more sub-channels, the lower the bit rate on any one channel, and the
higher the compression. The higher rates of compression have more
artifacts. That's just the way it is with the numbers that support my
listening criteria.

Same goes for that DRM nonsense.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Mar 11, 1:47�am, Bart Bailey wrote:
In

posted on Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:46:03 -0700, Telamon wrote: Begin �





In article ,
Bart Bailey wrote:

In
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posted on Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:33:17 -0700, Telamon wrote: Begin �

In article ,
Bart Bailey wrote:

Saw a fairly good blowout price on a tabletop Accurion, had only
recently heard of them, seems fairly decent quality, good
fit-'n-finish, made in China. AMBCB was somewhat of a disappointment
as there are only two stations I could get here in SoCal with the
inferior low-gain supplied indoor loop, KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 and
they both only showed their call sign and no program info, KNX did
say it was in Los Angeles. �The FMBCB on the other hand was a
pleasant surprise with many stations offering sub channels and the
local Public Broadcasting station, KPBS 89.5, offering two. I know
there's been lots of talk about the bandwidth �hogging aspect of
HD-AMBCB, maybe that could be dropped, but the digitally encoded
sub-channels of FMBCB don't seem to have any more negative effect
than the long standing presence of SCA services, which aren't even
noticed when tuning. I don't regret having a nice sounding tabletop
that I can control via an IR remote, even if all HD goes away.

The more sub channels offered the lower the bit rate for any one
channel. The low bit rate may work for voice but not music. I don't
even like it for voice myself.

Our local KPBS 89.5 has a total content of four services and I don't
find their digital programming unpleasantly restricted.
They have their primary analog audio plus two digital sub channels,
one classical and the other a streaming feed of Groove Salad,
neither of which have any noticeable audio deficiencies, and then
there's the SCA (radio reading service) which I remember to be slightly
inferior analog audio when music would play, but it was mostly talk.
I no longer have an SCA decoder nor does the new Accurian.

I've listened to recordings and HD has artifacts I don't like to listen
to so you are not going to convince me it's OK because it isn't. The
more sub-channels, the lower the bit rate on any one channel, and the
higher the compression. The higher rates of compression have more
artifacts. That's just the way it is with the numbers that support my
listening criteria.

Same goes for that DRM nonsense.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just stating that it
sounds OK to me, even a local station with four components multiplexed
into their carrier.- Hide quoted text -

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"HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year: Pulling a fast one"

"According to a press release from the Alliance 330,000 HD receivers
were sold last year. This is a 725 per cent increase from the 40,000
sets purchased a year earlier and therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough
year' for the technology. In 2008 they will sell a million of the
things."

http://tinyurl.com/4zgkaw

LOL!

On Mar 12, 4:35�pm, Bart Bailey wrote:
In

posted on Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:41 -0700 (PDT), PocketRadio wrote:
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http://tinyurl,con/4zgkaw

Frankly I don't care if any are sold, I'm not in the business.
I only commented that I like certain aspects of the radio I bought,
namely the FM adaptation and indicated that the AMBCB version could go
away.
I fail to see your obsession against the mode, other than some
personality imbalance.
You have yet to make a valid argument, but only whimper from your
nym**** google-group handle. I am however amazed at the speed at which
your credibility has eroded, plus being an AOLoser doesn't help either.

**** yourself in the ass, IBOC-shill.

"HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year: Pulling a fast one"


Why such hatred for new technology?

Should we all go back to spark gap morse code on the broadcast bands?

Why are you stuck to an almost 100 year old technology?

Granted, radio sucks.. but it is the homogenized blah content that is
the core of that suckiness, not the technology.

No originality, no uniqueness. What the h*ll happened to local content?

Fix the bandwidth waste of satellite fed national feeds of non stop
talking heads with nothing between their ears and
short playlists of hits of the last 30 years of the 20th century and the
technology will be worth it.

Otherwise please don't act like an old wash woman with a wet pair of
drawers on.

If you don't like what you hear, set the power switch to off.

In article ,
Steve Stone wrote:

"HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year: Pulling a fast one"


Why such hatred for new technology?

I hate the way it sounds. I hate the way it trashes adjacent stations. I
hate old technology that is misapplied.

Should we all go back to spark gap morse code on the broadcast bands?

Feel free.

Why are you stuck to an almost 100 year old technology?

It works.

Granted, radio sucks.. but it is the homogenized blah content that is
the core of that suckiness, not the technology.

No it doesn't. You need to find another news group.

No originality, no uniqueness. What the h*ll happened to local content?

It's on the local stations fruit loop.

Fix the bandwidth waste of satellite fed national feeds of non stop
talking heads with nothing between their ears and short playlists of
hits of the last 30 years of the 20th century and the technology will
be worth it.

That's not a solution for the broadcast bands.

Otherwise please don't act like an old wash woman with a wet pair of
drawers on.

Stop projecting.

If you don't like what you hear, set the power switch to off.

If you don't like the topic of the news group then go post elsewhere.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California