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Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? |
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Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:42:11 -0700, David Eduardo wrote:
HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. That's nice. Would profit pressed pennypinchers keep that light on if it weren't required by the insurance company or the government? Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. That's odd. I had the impression that IBOC interference had no significant effect beyond the FCC protected contour. I'd expect there was a significant reason for turning the noisemakers off at night, as the costs of cycling the IBOC transmitters would be more than the costs of the electricity. That is, if they intend to repair them as they break down. Frank Dresser |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"Frank" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:42:11 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. That's nice. Would profit pressed pennypinchers keep that light on if it weren't required by the insurance company or the government? Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. That's odd. I had the impression that IBOC interference had no significant effect beyond the FCC protected contour. That's what IBOC shills would have you believe, but it has been demonstrated many times now that this is not the case, and that significant sideband interference from the IBOC sidebands is caused via skywave at nighttime. Please note that it takes a significantly smaller signal to cause interference than it does to actually HEAR the signal itself. Because of this, those IBOC sidebands can and do interfere with stations in an area where those same sidebands would not be copyable. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses- LOL!
David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. And KKOH and KGO. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses- LOL!
David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. And KKOH and KGO. And KKOB last time I checked. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. And KKOH and KGO. At night. KGO runs HD daytime, still, I believe |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me. The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/ operators not interference - of which there is plenty. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me. The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/ operators not interference - of which there is plenty. Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference, consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or anything else you can think of. You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture" plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of making big $$. Greed and nothing else. A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer have. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me. The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/ operators not interference - of which there is plenty. Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference, consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or anything else you can think of. You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture" plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of making big $$. Greed and nothing else. A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer have. With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of reality and I say that with all due respect. Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still do that. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 12:52 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me. The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/ operators not interference - of which there is plenty. Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference, consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or anything else you can think of. You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture" plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of making big $$. Greed and nothing else. A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer have. With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of reality and I say that with all due respect. Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still do that. Eduardo - You're the kind of person that would be absolutely be lost if you couldn't stand behind a bunch of statistical information that you yourself didn't even compile but you read it somewhere. Then, you show up and spew this crap and think yourself smart and informed. You may be impressing yourself but you don't impress me. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 1:42�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 1:42*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. "Upping HD Radio signal strengths" "The short math given what we know today is that it will cost roughly double on the transmission end to increase HD Radio FM power tenfold. There are likely to be additional costs for cooling and air handling as well, in order to dissipate the excess energy required to get out another 10 dB in HD Radio signal. And, for some higher powered stations, existing HD Radio configurations may not be able to handle the power load, which could add to the cost and complexity of increasing HD Radio beyond its current power level... Also worth considering is existing transmitter combiner technology and whether or not it can support the added demands of increasing HD Radio broadcasts another 10 dB. If not, then it’s very likely that stations at the higher power levels will need to factor in a new antenna system that can support HD Radio, rather than piggyback onto their existing FM antenna system. At the higher powers, especially, an immediate 10 dB increase in HD Radio signal may be cost prohibitive... This will typically mean the addition of another similarly rated transmitter (using a combining technique) or the purchase of a new transmitter of roughly twice today’s power level." http://tinyurl.com/cfbrtq |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 12:47�pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message .... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. �How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? �I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. �WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. �This is not debatable. �WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. �Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me. The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. �This was a decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/ operators not interference - of which there is plenty. Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference, consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or anything else you can think of. You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture" plan. �There is not. �Its all about economics and the possibility of making big $$. �Greed and nothing else. A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. �But that we no longer have.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Independent Radio Destroyed By Design" "Instead of honest competition, they decided they would make the government compel all broadcasters to convert to digital on the existing AM and FM bands. To accomplish this, the NAB plans to double the amount of space on the dial that a station uses, thus jamming the signals of weaker stations next to them on the dial... Grassroots defenders of independent radio have found proof that a new airwaves regulatory plan will jam and eventually destroy the signals of small community, religious, and college radio stations... In addition to eliminating competition, the true financial motive of the digital conversion is the creation of a new largely subscription system, called 'IBOC-DAB' (In-Band, On-Channel, Digital Audio Broadcasting)... The real plan is to make their money from selling that remaining space to send wireless data, not for a lively, competitive radio signal containing music and the lively debate and news of a vibrant Democracy." http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2002/03/8188.shtml Yup, it's al about jamming community radio stations off the dial. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 1:08�pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:52 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. �How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? �I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. �WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. �This is not debatable. �WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. �Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me. The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. �This was a decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/ operators not interference - of which there is plenty. Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference, consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or anything else you can think of. You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture" plan. �There is not. �Its all about economics and the possibility of making big $$. �Greed and nothing else. A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. �But that we no longer have. With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of reality and I say that with all due respect. Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still do that. �Eduardo - You're the kind of person that would be absolutely be lost if you couldn't stand behind a bunch of statistical information that you yourself didn't even compile but you read it somewhere. Then, you show up and spew this crap and think yourself smart and informed. You may be impressing yourself but you don't impress me.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - or, anyone else... |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42�am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped. The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount, any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much more. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. You are saying that WBZ is stronger (I assume you mean "at night") in Allegheny, Beaver, Butler, Fayette, Washington and Westmoreland counties of Pennsylvania than KDKA? Those 6 counties are the only market area that KDKA is interested in. Similarly, I doubt that KDKA interferes with WBZ in Essex, Middlesex, Norfolk, Plymouth, Suffolk, Worcester and Hillsborough counties, the Boston MSA or, as you say, "market area." Since WBZ is directional westward, it's not likely they will have any interference of significance. Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM) even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM... interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 2:24�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. �WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. �This is not debatable. �WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. You are saying that WBZ is stronger (I assume you mean "at night") in Allegheny, Beaver, Butler, Fayette, Washington and Westmoreland counties of Pennsylvania than KDKA? Those 6 counties are the only market area that KDKA is interested in. Similarly, I doubt that KDKA interferes with WBZ in Essex, Middlesex, Norfolk, Plymouth, Suffolk, Worcester and Hillsborough counties, the Boston MSA or, as you say, "market area." Since WBZ is directional westward, it's not likely they will have any interference of significance. Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM) even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM.... interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality. " Rochester Station Says IBOC Interferes" Bob Savage, CEO, WYSL "WYSL has filed FIVE separate pleadings including two detailed interference studies, over a period of 19 weeks encompassing a variety of local weather conditions, in all three antenna modes and powers, reply pleadings to two CBS responses (notably thin on data and highly implausible) including scores of field readings and audio recordings on CD. All of WYSL's data is supported by engineering statements from TWO unimpeachable professional radio engineering firms representing many decades of experience, all submitted UNDER OATH. One of these engineers is renowned as an experienced researcher in the development of terrestrial digital radio. All in all, including exhibits, over 100 pages of text and measurement data were filed with the Enforcement Bureau with copies to the Mass Media Bureau. The FCC's response to this mountain of persuasive data? They simply ignored it." http://tinyurl.com/cdybql |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 2:15*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped. The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount, any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "HD Radio: Where We’ve Been, Where We’re Going And How to Get There" W.C. Alexander, CPBE, AMD Director of Engineering Crawford Broadcasting Company "Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized transmitter with the same TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and reject load as well as the transmission line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years. Include the cost of additional cooling using the same formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..." http://www.crawfordbroadcasting.com/...io%20Paper.pdf From Crawford Broadcasting - debunked again, Eduardo! Eduardo - is your little research staff still laughing about HD Radio, Mr. Chapter-11? LOL! |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 2:24�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM) even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM... interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality. " Rochester Station Says IBOC Interferes" Bob Savage, CEO, WYSL WYSL is not a Rochester station. It is a far suburban station trying, with horribly low power at night, to cover a market beyond it's ability to cover, with or without HD on a distant station. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped. The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount, any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized transmitter with the same TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and reject load as well as the transmission line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years. Include the cost of additional cooling using the same formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..." Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
wrote: On Mar 13, 12:52 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote: On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote: "Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses." http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC - they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills! Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo? HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most. Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night, WABC an WJR. Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night. To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them. Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day listening, the decision is relatively simple. Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me. The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/ operators not interference - of which there is plenty. Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference, consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or anything else you can think of. You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture" plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of making big $$. Greed and nothing else. A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer have. With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of reality and I say that with all due respect. Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still do that. Eduardo - You're the kind of person that would be absolutely be lost if you couldn't stand behind a bunch of statistical information that you yourself didn't even compile but you read it somewhere. Then, you show up and spew this crap and think yourself smart and informed. That's our 'Eduardo', Bryant Sierra all the way! dxAce Michigan USA And, as always, don't let your children attend Louisville Technical Institute. They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who knows, there may be more dufi there. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 3:12�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped. The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount, any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized transmitter with the same TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and reject load as well as the transmission line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years. Include the cost of additional cooling using the same formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..." Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets. the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way - it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition". Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the 10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC. The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam and that it is DOA. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 3:12�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped. The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount, any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized transmitter with the same TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and reject load as well as the transmission line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years. Include the cost of additional cooling using the same formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..." Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets. Nope - Citadel is rumored to be turning it off due to electrial costs. Otherswill follow as they go Chapter-11. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way - it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition". Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the 10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC. The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam and that it is DOA. HD is initially for the good signals in the better markets. That's where most of the population lives. And remember, in a typical market with 10 to 20 AM signals, an average of 2 are viable today. And as many as a third of the FMs in most markets are limited or not viable, either. There is no 10db power boost, as there has been no rulemaking. Just a proposal. And lots of opposition form second adjacent in the same area... |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 3:12�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets. Nope - Citadel is rumored to be turning it off due to electrial costs. Otherswill follow as they go Chapter-11. You just made that lie up. No truth whatsoever. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 4:55�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 3:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets. Nope - Citadel is rumored to be turning it off due to electrial costs. Otherswill follow as they go Chapter-11. You just made that lie up. No truth whatsoever. Not me - it was posted on radiolists. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 4:54�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way - it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition". Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the 10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC. The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam and that it is DOA. HD is initially for the good signals in the better markets. That's where most of the population lives. And remember, in a typical market with 10 to 20 AM signals, an average of 2 are viable today. And as many as a third of the FMs in most markets are limited or not viable, either. There is no 10db power boost, as there has been no rulemaking. Just a proposal. And lots of opposition form second adjacent in the same area... "FCC Allows Stealth HD Power Boosts" "Although the Federal Communications Commission has deferred (for now) any formal action on its inquiry into whether or not to allow broadcast radio stations to increase the power of their digital ('HD') sidebands by a factor of ten, the agency's employing the tried and true method of 'creating facts on the ground' by allowing individual stations (or station clusters) to individually apply for special temporary authority to hike their HD power levels. This is taking place even though radio's engineering community is deeply divided on the issue of an HD sideband power increase. Comments filed by the Prometheus Radio Project and Media Access Project (disclaimer: on which I informally consulted) succinctly summarize the dispute. The main question is: is it realistically possible use HD Radio as a tool to improve the existing medium, or will HD intentionally degrade it so that the spectrum's repurposement becomes inevitable - or, at the very least, make its ownership more consolidated?" http://tinyurl.com/6vlmoo A power boost will be approved - even Struble says so, because he in in bed with the FCC. Too bad, no one will be able to afford it. It has also been reported on Radio-Info, that another station has secretly been granted approval. Struble will want to degrade analog slowly, so that no one notices, and just like WYSL, the FCC will ignore interference complaints. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 4:54�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way - it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition". Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the 10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC. The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam and that it is DOA. HD is initially for the good signals in the better markets. That's where most of the population lives. And remember, in a typical market with 10 to 20 AM signals, an average of 2 are viable today. And as many as a third of the FMs in most markets are limited or not viable, either. There is no 10db power boost, as there has been no rulemaking. Just a proposal. And lots of opposition form second adjacent in the same area... The RIAA already has over-the-air broadcast radio by the balls - the royalties are eminent, so this will kill HD Radio - no listeners, no ROI, only rising royalty payments. The FMs will have to flip to the AMs' successful news/talk/sports formats - WLW, WSB, etc. are ranked #1 in their markets - it is the music-oriented FMs that are in trouble. No music on FMs - another reason for HD Radio not to exist. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 4:55�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 3:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets. Nope - Citadel is rumored to be turning it off due to electrial costs. Otherswill follow as they go Chapter-11. You just made that lie up. No truth whatsoever. BTW - the NAB has only the support of 135 House members, and less than 25 in the Senate for the Local Radio Freedom Act, which would have blocked the RIAA. Too bad, far from having any sort of majority- vote. So Eduardo, what are the new news/talk/sports formats that Univision will be putting on their FMs? LOL! |
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David Eduardo wrote:
Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM) even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM... interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality. Most people have no idea what "audio quality" means. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped. The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount, any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized transmitter with the same TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and reject load as well as the transmission line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years. Include the cost of additional cooling using the same formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..." Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets. The power savings of digital modulation over analog are over stated at best. Digital modulation also requires more transmitter capacity (overhead) so a larger transmitter must be purchased. The antenna and matching systems must be more broadband than they need to be for analog transmission. Losses will be inherently larger. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
"dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM) even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM... interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality. Most people have no idea what "audio quality" means. They can certainly tell the difference between AM and FM. That is why nearly nobody under 50 or 55 listens to AM. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses - LOL!
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 11:21 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM) even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM... interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality. Most people have no idea what "audio quality" means. They can certainly tell the difference between AM and FM. That is why nearly nobody under 50 or 55 listens to AM. Eduardo - I live in Butler county, PA. WBZ has a very huge and impressive signal here due to their very efficient antenna and ground system in Boston. The adjacent noise created by their hd signal is clearly and consistantly heard under KDKA amost every night. So, tell me again why this is not a problem. It clealy is a problem to me. KDKA is nearly dead, with an FM news talker beating it in the sales demos. You are probably one of the few who cares. And, if you are in the northern part of your county, you probably have the first vestiges of skywave cancellation, which is more of a problem than WBZ anyway. WBZ has no more nor no less efficiency than any station with a 1/2 wave tower system What is different is that BZ is directional, with nearly no power to the east and a lot of it to the west. |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Mar 13, 11:35*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mar 13, 11:21 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dave" wrote in message news:avidnYpi3cWrgSbUnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@earthlink. com... David Eduardo wrote: Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM) even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM... interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality. Most people have no idea what "audio quality" means. They can certainly tell the difference between AM and FM. That is why nearly nobody under 50 or 55 listens to AM. Eduardo - I live in Butler county, PA. WBZ has a very huge and impressive signal here due to their very efficient antenna and ground system in Boston. *The adjacent noise created by their hd signal is clearly and consistantly heard under KDKA amost every night. *So, tell me again why this is not a problem. *It clealy is a problem to me. KDKA is nearly dead, with an FM news talker beating it in the sales demos.. You are probably one of the few who cares. And, if you are in the northern part of your county, you probably have the first vestiges of skywave cancellation, which is more of a problem than WBZ anyway. - WBZ has no more nor no less efficiency than - any station with a 1/2 wave tower system - What is different is that BZ is directional, - with nearly no power to the east - and a lot of it to the west. WBZ -info- RadioLocator & FCC http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...0&y=0&sr=Y&s=C http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=25444 WBZ Area of Coverage & WBZ View Coverage Map http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin...atus=L&hours=U -sort-of- Looks like more to the East and less to the West. -but- then again . . . http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Da...10513-5756.pdf |
Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:15:36 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:
That's what IBOC shills would have you believe, but it has been demonstrated many times now that this is not the case, and that significant sideband interference from the IBOC sidebands is caused via skywave at nighttime. Please note that it takes a significantly smaller signal to cause interference than it does to actually HEAR the signal itself. Because of this, those IBOC sidebands can and do interfere with stations in an area where those same sidebands would not be copyable. True, and add to that the directional effect of the typical AM loopstick antenna. For example, a person might be listening in the evening to, say, WLS with the station in the antenna's near null area. This is no problem if the signal strength is good and the interference is low. But the antenna in that position is likely to be near broadside to the WCBS transmitter and the listener will get the extra noise. Frank Dresser |
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