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Freedom to Choose

I find it curious that, when it comes to the “pro-choice” crowd, the
choice is actually quite limited. Those offering alternatives to
abortion are branded as religious fanatics and even as dangerous.
Pregnancy resource centers which provide options other than abortion
are labeled as “fake clinics.” Now, there’s even a move to eliminate
the choices of medical professionals when it comes to performing
abortions.

If you doubt this, witness the effort by the Obama Administration to
get rid of a Health and Human Services rule that ensures the
conscience rights of medical professionals as far as abortion is
concerned.

As one doctor concerned about the situation noted, if physicians have
no conscience rights, no one is safe from forced abortions, government-
sanctioned euthanasia, and other actions hostile to life. The right to
die becomes the duty to die; the right to abort becomes the
requirement to abort. And the culture of our nation suffers in the
process.

Fortunately, there is an opportunity for ordinary citizens to fight
back against this latest instance of government intrusion. The
American Association of Pro-Life OB/GYNs is asking taxpayers to make
their voices heard on this issue.

If you visit the website www.freedom2care.org, you can send a message
to the Department of Health and Human Services, registering your
complaint as either a patient or a health care professional. You can
note how you want your doctor to be free to follow principles such as
the Hippocratic Oath, the Nuremberg Code, and general moral standards.
Medical professionals can point out how they do not want government to
restrict their freedom to practice medicine by forcing them to violate
ethical standards of care.

At this time of government takeovers, a morally bankrupt government
takeover of the health care industry is appalling. We can be thankful
that the Freedom2Care Coalition is standing up to this over-reaching
power grab by the federal government. As the coalition states, its
mission is “to protect and advance the free exercise of conscience
rights in health care, thereby protecting patients and upholding
American ideals and law.”

One’s conscience should be considered sacred. It’s that little voice
inside, placed there by the Almighty, which enables us to distinguish
between right and wrong. Despite 36 years of attempted brainwashing,
there are doctors today who realize that abortion violates that voice
within. Let’s do our part to support these caring medical
professionals who are willing to confront the pro-abortion political
machine. Go to www.freedom2care.org and give voice to your convictions
today.

http://townhall.com/Columnists/Natha...edom_to_choose

Freedom to Choose

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If you doubt this, witness the effort by the Obama Administration to
get rid of a Health and Human Services rule that ensures the
conscience rights of medical professionals as far as abortion is
concerned...

What whiny-ass titty-baby horse****.

Medicine is practiced for the benefit of the patient, not the practicioner.

If the "professionals" don't have the "conscience" for the job, there's
always work at the Post Office.

Jim

Freedom to Choose

On Mar 20, 7:14*pm, wrote:
I find it curious that, when it comes to the “pro-choice” crowd, the
choice is actually quite limited. Those offering alternatives to
abortion are branded as religious fanatics and even as dangerous.
Pregnancy resource centers which provide options other than abortion
are labeled as “fake clinics.” Now, there’s even a move to eliminate
the choices of medical professionals when it comes to performing
abortions.

I'm sorry. This seems a bit over my head. Can you show me a breakdown
of how the pro-life crowd offers more choices than the pro-choice
crowd?

If you doubt this, witness the effort by the Obama Administration to
get rid of a Health and Human Services rule that ensures the
conscience rights of medical professionals as far as abortion is
concerned.

Because it's stupid. It'd be like Netflix refusing to send me a movie
because they object to it. I'm paying for the service, ergo they are
legally obligated to provide me the service. This isn't some fast-food
joint where they retain the right to refuse service. I'm *already*
paying for it. In fact, I'm paying for it whether I use it or not. So,
on top of having to pay for it, whether I use it or not, you are
suggesting that they have the option of simply refusing to give me
service?

As one doctor concerned about the situation noted, if physicians have
no conscience rights, no one is safe from forced abortions, government-
sanctioned euthanasia, and other actions hostile to life. The right to
die becomes the duty to die; the right to abort becomes the
requirement to abort. And the culture of our nation suffers in the
process.

Wow. This is perhaps the most poorly constructed slippery slope
argument I've ever seen. Forced abortions, euthanasia, and the such
are issues regarding PATIENT rights which is the primary concern.
Nothing here suggests that ensuring that patients receive the service
they are due will somehow, magically turn into forced abortions. You
do realize that simply stringing a series of events together does not,
somehow, make it a probable, possible, or even logical argument,
right? There has to be SOME thought put into it.

Fortunately, there is an opportunity for ordinary citizens to fight
back against this latest instance of government intrusion. The
American Association of Pro-Life OB/GYNs is asking taxpayers to make
their voices heard on this issue.

If you visit the websitewww.freedom2care.org, you can send a message
to the Department of Health and Human Services, registering your
complaint as either a patient or a health care professional. You can
note how you want your doctor to be free to follow principles such as
the Hippocratic Oath, the Nuremberg Code, and general moral standards.
Medical professionals can point out how they do not want government to
restrict their freedom to practice medicine by forcing them to violate
ethical standards of care.

What if I want my doctor to not have the option of arbitrarily denying
me service based on nothing more than an emotional state?

At this time of government takeovers, a morally bankrupt government
takeover of the health care industry is appalling. We can be thankful
that the Freedom2Care Coalition is standing up to this over-reaching
power grab by the federal government. As the coalition states, its
mission is “to protect and advance the free exercise of conscience
rights in health care, thereby protecting patients and upholding
American ideals and law.”

Far from being a noble gesture of protecting innocent people from a
(nonexistent) threat it's rather a defensive reaction against what
they perceive a threat to their own goals.

One’s conscience should be considered sacred. It’s that little voice
inside, placed there by the Almighty, which enables us to distinguish
between right and wrong. Despite 36 years of attempted brainwashing,
there are doctors today who realize that abortion violates that voice
within. Let’s do our part to support these caring medical
professionals who are willing to confront the pro-abortion political
machine. Go towww.freedom2care.organd give voice to your convictions
today.

http://townhall.com/Columnists/Natha...edom_to_choose

If you are in a job that may take you places where your conscience
doesn't want to go it isn't the responsibility for the rest of the
world to bend over backwards so you can still get a paycheck while
getting out of work. If I went into work tomorrow and told them that I
was going to arbitrarily decide which tasks I will and will not do
simply based upon how I'm feeling that day my ass would (rightfully)
be kicked to the curb. You see, people generally don't like it when
they pay you for a service and you tell them to (figurative) go eff
themselves.

Oh, and the government of the United States does not legally recognize
any deity, ergo it should not, ever, be the basis for any form of
legislation.

Freedom to Choose

Drafterman wrote:
Oh, and the government of the United States does not legally recognize
any deity, ergo it should not, ever, be the basis for any form of
legislation.
Well, there is the Almighty Dollar. Its interesting to note that on the
genuine Silver coin, we have Her image, and we have it also most notably
standing in New York Harbor, the most monumental divine figure we have,
holding up Her torch. Which to some degree symbolize the light of
Liberty, which is a Goddess, and not a god. Gods order you around.

The Goddess, like all mothers, gives birth so that we may fulfill our
own destiny, not some 'divine plan'. We are born to choose. And if you
are not born, you dont have choice.

The Torah understood this; and its a testament to the lack of
scholarship on the part of the fools you try to educate, that they have
not read Exodus 19, where we see a woman "looses her fruit" after
accidentally being injured. The husband may bring the matter to court.
Its a civil damage suit because 'his seed' is his property. It aint even
manslaughter, much less murder.

It is worrisome that even scripture is mis-represented in the effort to
support demagoguery, and the kind of economic crisis we see is one of
the more common results of that kind of leadership. If that's the right
word for it. How do you run a democracy without a rational electorate?

And ignorant to boot. The treaty of Tripoli, signed by President John
Adams, and ratified by 100% of the US senate says "The United States is
not a Christian nation." How did we become one?

Freedom to Choose

Day Brown wrote:

And ignorant to boot. The treaty of Tripoli, signed by President John
Adams, and ratified by 100% of the US senate says "The United States is
not a Christian nation." How did we become one?

You haven't. Judging by the invasions, torture chambers and death camps,
I'd say you are the farthest removed thing from Christianity.

mike

Freedom to Choose

On Mar 20, 6:37*pm, "Clave"
wrote:

If the "professionals" don't have the "conscience" for the job, there's
always work at the Post Office.

Jim

JA! HEIL HITLER!

Freedom to Choose (The republican't way only)

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:14:31 -0700, tianmeiguo wrote:

If you doubt this, witness the effort by the Obama Administration to get
rid of a Health and Human Services rule that ensures the conscience
rights of medical professionals as far as abortion is concerned.

Wrong again LIMPbough Lemming. Health care sending has drastically
increased. Or, are you calling your fellow republican'ts liars?

http://townhall.com/Columnists/Natha...edom_to_choose

Have to follow someone as your unable to think for yourself.
Explains everything!

Freedom to Choose (The republican't way only)

who are you? wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:14:31 -0700, tianmeiguo wrote:

If you doubt this, witness the effort by the Obama Administration to get
rid of a Health and Human Services rule that ensures the conscience
rights of medical professionals as far as abortion is concerned.

Wrong again LIMPbough Lemming. Health care sending has drastically
increased. Or, are you calling your fellow republican'ts liars?

http://townhall.com/Columnists/Natha...edom_to_choose

Have to follow someone as your unable to think for yourself.
Explains everything!

Anyone who supports war and/or capital punishment has no standing to
condemn abortion.

Freedom to Choose

In article
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Drafterman wrote:

On Mar 20, 7:14*pm, wrote:
I find it curious that, when it comes to the ³pro-choice² crowd, the
choice is actually quite limited. Those offering alternatives to
abortion are branded as religious fanatics and even as dangerous.
Pregnancy resource centers which provide options other than abortion
are labeled as ³fake clinics.² Now, there¹s even a move to eliminate
the choices of medical professionals when it comes to performing
abortions.

I'm sorry. This seems a bit over my head. Can you show me a breakdown
of how the pro-life crowd offers more choices than the pro-choice
crowd?

SNIP

Liberals should not take the trouble to do this. Instead of getting all
excited please stick your head back in your special hole in the ground.
The familiar darkness of it will comfort you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California