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‘Mama Sara’ will set off to Mecca for Islamic pilgrimage required by
Quran

President Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother, Sara Obama (right),
will reportedly perform the Muslim Hajj pilgrimage this year along
with her son Syeed Obama.

A private Kenyan television channel, quoted extensively by the Kenyan
and Pakistani media, reported Sara Obama and her son will also visit
Dubai before going to Saudi Arabia for performing haj. The pair live
in Kenya.

The News, a newspaper in Dubai, confirmed the report. It quoted United
Arab Emirates’ property tycoon Sulaiman Al Fahim as stating he will
personally sponsor Sara Obama’s trip after meeting the elderly Obama
in Kenya last week and learning she had always wanted to perform the
Hajj.

“I found out that she had not been to the Hajj and that she very much
wants to go. As my own mother is no longer with us, our family has a
spare place. So I invited her and she has accepted,” The News quoted
Fahim as saying.

Obama’s grandmother, a Muslim known locally as “Mama Sara”, lives in
Kogelo, a tiny village near the Ugandan border. She was in Washington,
DC in January for Obama’s swearing in ceremony.

The Hajj is the largest annual pilgrimage in the world. The fifth
pillar of Islam requires every able-bodied Muslim to travel to Mecca
at least once in their life in a demonstration of solidarity with
fellow Muslims and in an act of individual submission to Allah.

Obama was ‘quite religious in Islam’

Obama’s faith was a central part of his presidential campaign. He has
repeatedly has denied he is a Muslim. His presidential campaign
website contained the statement, “Senator Obama has never been a
Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.”

But as WND has reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a
Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends
claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim.

Obama’s campaign several times had wavered in response to reporters
queries regarding the senator’s childhood faith.

Commenting on a Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend
stating Obama prayed in a mosque. Obama’s campaign released a
statement explaining the senator “has never been a practicing
Muslim.”

Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968 Obama was
registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi
Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an
Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as “L
Soetoro Ma,” worked for the topography department of the Indonesian
Army.

Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students
but exempt them from studying religion.

After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled “also as
a Muslim, according to documents” in the Besuki Primary School, a
public school in Jakarta.

Laotze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who
visited the Besuki school, noted: “All Indonesian students are
required to study religion at school, and a young ‘Barry Soetoro,’
being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in
school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite
his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study
the laws of Islam.”

Indeed, in Obama’s autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” he
acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a
Muslim school.”

“In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces
during Quranic studies,” wrote Obama.

The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama’s
childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim.

Speaking to the country’s Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was
principal of Obama’s school while he was enrolled there, said she
recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.

“At that time, I was not Barry’s teacher, but he is still in my
memory” claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.

The Kaltim Post said Obama’s teacher, named Hendri, had died.

“I remember that he studied mengaji (recitation of the Quran),” Tine
said, according to an English translation by Loatze.

Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic
punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not
known as a secular study.

Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post
interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described
Obama as “previously quite religious in Islam.”

“We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house,”
Amir said. “If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for
religious or casual occasions) he looked funny.”

The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin
Adi, who identified himself as among Obama’s closest childhood
friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque,
something Obama’s campaign claimed he never did.

“We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by
older people in the mosque,” said Adi. “But as kids, we loved to meet
our friends and went to the mosque together and played.”

Friday prayers

Obama’s official campaign site contained a page titled “Obama has
never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.” The page stated,
“Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not
raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United
Church of Christ.”

But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a “practicing Muslim”
clarification to the Los Angeles Times.

An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputed Adi’s
statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama’s
declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing
Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the
neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of
Obama.

But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.

“Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he
was in Indonesia,” states the Tribune article.

It quotes Obama’s former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling
how the young Obama “occasionally followed his stepfather to the
mosque for Friday prayers.”

Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune
article “cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim”
actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice
confirms Obama attended mosque services.

In an interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim
call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

The Times’ Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, “with a first-class
[Arabic] accent,” the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.

The first few lines of the call to prayer state:
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet …

Some attention also has been paid to Obama’s paternal side of the
family, including his father and his brother, Roy.

Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, Obama
stated: “The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now
we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to
reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off
pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

Still, Obama maintains he was raised by his Christian mother and
repeatedly has labeled as “smears” several reports attempting to paint
him as a Muslim.

“Let’s make clear what the facts a I am a Christian. I have been
sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and
lead the Pledge of Allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate
when I’m presiding,” he told the Times of London earlier this year.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress....ired-by-quran/

"Yes, Obama. Keep removing those letters that represent Jesus, Savior
of mankind from the background of those Christian settings…"

"Is it true that Muslims or Islamics, or whatever, are permitted to
lie if it serves a purpose that is (supposedly) beneficial to their
religious agenda(s)? I have read where others have stated that is so
but have never seen actual proof of this."

http://www.WhatTheWestNeedsToKnow.com
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Default 0baMa0’s grandmother to perform Muslim Hajj

On May 3, 7:31*pm, wrote:
‘Mama Sara’ will set off to Mecca for Islamic pilgrimage required by
Quran

President Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother, Sara Obama (right),
will reportedly perform the Muslim Hajj pilgrimage this year along
with her son Syeed Obama.

A private Kenyan television channel, quoted extensively by the Kenyan
and Pakistani media, reported Sara Obama and her son will also visit
Dubai before going to Saudi Arabia for performing haj. The pair live
in Kenya.

The News, a newspaper in Dubai, confirmed the report. It quoted United
Arab Emirates’ property tycoon Sulaiman Al Fahim as stating he will
personally sponsor Sara Obama’s trip after meeting the elderly Obama
in Kenya last week and learning she had always wanted to perform the
Hajj.

“I found out that she had not been to the Hajj and that she very much
wants to go. As my own mother is no longer with us, our family has a
spare place. So I invited her and she has accepted,” The News quoted
Fahim as saying.

Obama’s grandmother, a Muslim known locally as “Mama Sara”, lives in
Kogelo, a tiny village near the Ugandan border. She was in Washington,
DC in January for Obama’s swearing in ceremony.

The Hajj is the largest annual pilgrimage in the world. The fifth
pillar of Islam requires every able-bodied Muslim to travel to Mecca
at least once in their life in a demonstration of solidarity with
fellow Muslims and in an act of individual submission to Allah.

Obama was ‘quite religious in Islam’

Obama’s faith was a central part of his presidential campaign. He has
repeatedly has denied he is a Muslim. His presidential campaign
website contained the statement, “Senator Obama has never been a
Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.”

But as WND has reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a
Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends
claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim.

Obama’s campaign several times had wavered in response to reporters
queries regarding the senator’s childhood faith.

Commenting on a Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend
stating Obama prayed in a mosque. Obama’s campaign released a
statement explaining the senator “has never been a practicing
Muslim.”

Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968 Obama was
registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi
Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an
Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as “L
Soetoro Ma,” worked for the topography department of the Indonesian
Army.

Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students
but exempt them from studying religion.

After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled “also as
a Muslim, according to documents” in the Besuki Primary School, a
public school in Jakarta.

Laotze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who
visited the Besuki school, noted: “All Indonesian students are
required to study religion at school, and a young ‘Barry Soetoro,’
being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in
school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite
his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study
the laws of Islam.”

Indeed, in Obama’s autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” he
acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a
Muslim school.”

“In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces
during Quranic studies,” wrote Obama.

The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama’s
childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim.

Speaking to the country’s Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was
principal of Obama’s school while he was enrolled there, said she
recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.

“At that time, I was not Barry’s teacher, but he is still in my
memory” claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.

The Kaltim Post said Obama’s teacher, named Hendri, had died.

“I remember that he studied mengaji (recitation of the Quran),” Tine
said, according to an English translation by Loatze.

Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic
punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not
known as a secular study.

Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post
interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described
Obama as “previously quite religious in Islam.”

“We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house,”
Amir said. “If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for
religious or casual occasions) he looked funny.”

The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin
Adi, who identified himself as among Obama’s closest childhood
friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque,
something Obama’s campaign claimed he never did.

“We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by
older people in the mosque,” said Adi. “But as kids, we loved to meet
our friends and went to the mosque together and played.”

Friday prayers

Obama’s official campaign site contained a page titled “Obama has
never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.” The page stated,
“Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not
raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United
Church of Christ.”

But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a “practicing Muslim”
clarification to the Los Angeles Times.

An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputed Adi’s
statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama’s
declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing
Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the
neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of
Obama.

But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.

“Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and
friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he
was in Indonesia,” states the Tribune article.

It quotes Obama’s former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling
how the young Obama “occasionally followed his stepfather to the
mosque for Friday prayers.”

Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune
article “cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim”
actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice
confirms Obama attended mosque services.

In an interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim
call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

The Times’ Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, “with a first-class
[Arabic] accent,” the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.

The first few lines of the call to prayer state:
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet …

Some attention also has been paid to Obama’s paternal side of the
family, including his father and his brother, Roy.

Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, Obama
stated: “The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now
we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to
reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off
pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

Still, Obama maintains he was raised by his Christian mother and
repeatedly has labeled as “smears” several reports attempting to paint
him as a Muslim.

“Let’s make clear what the facts a I am a Christian. I have been
sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and
lead the Pledge of Allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate
when I’m presiding,” he told the Times of London earlier this year.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress....n-obamas-grand...

"Yes, Obama. Keep removing those letters that represent Jesus, Savior
of mankind from the background of those Christian settings…"

"Is it true that Muslims or Islamics, or whatever, are permitted to
lie if it serves a purpose that is (supposedly) beneficial to their
religious agenda(s)? I have read where others have stated that is so
but have never seen actual proof of this."

http://www.WhatTheWestNeedsToKnow.com



Keep up the good work. You make any response to your continued
nonsense unecessary.
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Default 0baMa0’s grandmother to perform Muslim Hajj

On May 3, 7:47*pm, Mike wrote:

Keep up the good work. You make any response to your continued
nonsense unecessary


LOL@U!!!... HEIL HITLER!!!
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Default 0baMa0’s grandmother to perform Muslim Hajj

On May 3, 4:31*pm, wrote:
‘Mama Sara’ will set off to Mecca for Islamic pilgrimage required by
Quran

[and a whole lot of utter crap and irrelevancy snipped.]

WND reported? LOL. the lunatic fringe pseudo-press does not count.

Show me a credible, MAINSTREAM media report on this. It's so
marginally newsworthy to anyone except the terminally stupid (Rush,
Hannity, etc.) as to resist serious coverage in the real media.

Speaking of which, excellent news on the promoting marriage and
protection of families front:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1007270.story

Looks like families will be able to be protected by marriage more and
more as time goes on.






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