(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force?
 

On May 7, 5:38*am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15*am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-



Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

Conservative logic - Torture works.

Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.

It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.

Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

-*The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-



Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
.
.

The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.

--

}(:

Note to Rightwing Extremists:
When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
harm's way.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

(OT) : The Tortured Rhetoric "American-Taliban" of The O-Bomb-sters© DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano
 

On May 7, 7:53*am, wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:10:46 -0700 (PDT), "~ RHF"



wrote:
On May 5, 6:55*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2009 17:23:51 -0700, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:

So Liberal & Democrats Believe that it is OK
"Moral" to let your Family and Friends and
Loved Ones Die : When you could have 'possibly'
prevented it from happening to them.

What profits a man who gains the world but loses his soul?

- Oh his religion is as faux as the rest of his "values".

- - RG - Keep Preaching That "Hate"
- - Against Persons of Faith. ~ RHF

- Damn another irony meter blown to hell by an American Taleban.

RG -fyi-it's- Taliban
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

On May 7, 10:26*am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 8:58*am, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 7, 5:38*am, Gary Forbis wrote:

On May 7, 4:15*am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-

Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

Conservative logic - Torture works.

Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.

It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.

Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

-*The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

RHF,

- What are you saying?

-reposted-
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

[ Is the Use of Force the Defining Element of Torture ? ]

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.

It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

The CIA waterboarding ones that were recently outed.

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.

Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber? The distinction between appropriate and inappropriate use
of force is quite important.

When you select someone and specifically plan and try to kill them....?

I tend to call it assassination. War is indiscriminate attacks on a
military not targeting one single person.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-



Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
.
.

Pelosi was briefed on the Torture and the documents are coming out....
She and the Congress already have it all settled, if it were illegal
Pelosi would not have colluded to allow Bush to adopt it in the first
place.... would she?

Hell-on-Earth -is- The Life of a Non-Believer in an Islamic StateThat Imposes Sharia Law.
 

On May 7, 10:56*am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 6:09*am, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 5, 5:23*pm, dave wrote:
- - ~ RHF wrote:
- - So Liberal & Democrats Believe that it is OK
- - "Moral" to let your Family and Friends and
- - Loved Ones Die : When you could have 'possibly'
- - prevented it from happening to them.

- What profits a man who gains the world but loses his soul?

Dave - What profits a man who Save His Family and Friends
{Retains His World} -but- Tortures and/or Kills a Terrorist

He has a World with his Family and Friends
in it; and the Understanding and Forgiveness
of God{Allah} - Amen ~ RHF
*.
*.

- So, all those terrorists murderers have to do
- is ask God (Allah) for forgiveness?
- If that's all that's required, Hell must be a very
- lonely place.....
-
- If that's all that tortutrers have to do to be
- in God's grace, then that's all terrorists
- have to do, right?

MWB,

For the Islam-O-Fascist Terrorist and Torturers :
They would not ask God for Forgiveness.
However to 'Their' Belief System 'They' would
Ask Allah for His Blessings for Killing and/or
Torturing an Infidel.

- Aw, the paradox of religious-based justice....

Yeah that why the Islam-O-Fascist want the
Subjugation of Non-Believers and Sharia Law.

The Muslim had Islamic Law Behind Him and
the Non-Believer has No Legal Standing.

Hell-on-Earth -is- The Life of a Non-Believer
in an Islamic State That Imposes Sharia Law.

While MWB in the vast majority of Western
Democracies base on Judeo-Christian Law
both Belivers and Non-Belivers have Equal
Legal Standing {Equality} Before The Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian
Why Even the Communist gave Lip Service
to Equality Before The Law For All.
ISLAM DOES NOT [.]

(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info thatAborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.
 

On May 7, 2:54*pm, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:03*am, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 6, 5:56*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:

On May 5, 5:54*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 5, 9:09*am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?

One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?

- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

The answer is that torture doesn't work.

Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

-*The answer is that you, personally, want to watch. *

KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend
or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not
Want To Watch [.]

- You get your rocks off by hearing about torture.

KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex.

-*You are a coward.

KC - 'coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
*.
typical liberal-fascist thinking with respect to other
human beings who do not bow-down to them ~ RHF

- But so what, you want to watch other people being tortured.

KC -clearly- Your 'projections' -wrt- my mental
reasoning and motives; are in-fact a mirror of
your own Psyche with your repeated allusions
to 'watching' and 'sex'.

-*Not that torture ever reveals anything,
- how many witches got burned do you

think? *How many satanists?

KC - Not talking about 'witches' or 'satinists'
unless you personally know of some who have
recently been 'burned' here i the USA.

We are Talking about Islam-O-Fascist Terrorists
who plan Terrorist Attacks like 9/11 and Kill
Thousands of Innocent People Men, Women
and Children.

- The fact is that all the persons involved in torture
- are criminally culpable. *The fact that they won't
- be brought to trial shows what prosecutorial
- discretion is.

KC -fwiw- Personally I 'think' that both Bush and
Cheney should be Accountable; and Said They
Asked For The Legal Advisements On What
Constitutes Torture : State That They Gave The
Orders; and Name The Names of The Members
of the US Congress Who Either Gave The OK
or Their Passive Approval to what is now being
Called Torture After-the-Fact by many of those
same Members of the US Congress.

Pelosi & Reid & Biden + Et Al

Former us president GW Bush and former vp
Dick Cheney need to Stand-Up before the US
Congress On TV and Start Name Names.
*.
*.

- Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor.

"CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind
Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.”
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...yay_tortu re/

- By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every
thing?

NO I DID NOT ! :o) ~ RHF

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

On May 7, 10:27*am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 7, 8:50*am, Wikking wrote:

~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-

Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame..
It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.

The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.

--

}(:

- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.

Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The battle has already been fought.

MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend
the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday
Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:03 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 6, 5:56 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:



On May 5, 5:54 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
The answer is that torture doesn't work.
Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

- The answer is that you, personally, want to watch.

KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend
or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not
Want To Watch [.]

- You get your rocks off by hearing about torture.

KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex.

- You are a coward.

KC - 'coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.
typical liberal-fascist thinking with respect to other
human beings who do not bow-down to them ~ RHF

- But so what, you want to watch other people being tortured.

KC -clearly- Your 'projections' -wrt- my mental
reasoning and motives; are in-fact a mirror of
your own Psyche with your repeated allusions
to 'watching' and 'sex'.

- Not that torture ever reveals anything,
- how many witches got burned do you

think? How many satanists?
KC - Not talking about 'witches' or 'satinists'
unless you personally know of some who have
recently been 'burned' here i the USA.

We are Talking about Islam-O-Fascist Terrorists
who plan Terrorist Attacks like 9/11 and Kill
Thousands of Innocent People Men, Women
and Children.

- The fact is that all the persons involved in torture
- are criminally culpable. The fact that they won't
- be brought to trial shows what prosecutorial
- discretion is.

KC -fwiw- Personally I 'think' that both Bush and
Cheney should be Accountable; and Said They
Asked For The Legal Advisements On What
Constitutes Torture : State That They Gave The
Orders; and Name The Names of The Members
of the US Congress Who Either Gave The OK
or Their Passive Approval to what is now being
Called Torture After-the-Fact by many of those
same Members of the US Congress.

Pelosi & Reid & Biden + Et Al

Former us president GW Bush and former vp
Dick Cheney need to Stand-Up before the US
Congress On TV and Start Name Names.
.
.

Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. You have the floor.


Prove that Obama has saved any jobs?

By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every thing?

(OT) : The Bush-Crime-Family -versus- The Obama-Crime-Family
 

On May 7, 10:39*am, Drifter wrote:
Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 8:50 am, Wikking wrote:

~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?
Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?
- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?
Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.
The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.
--
}(:
- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.

Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The battle has already been fought.

Mike, why do you bother to waste your time? all these
people followed the Bush-crime-Family over the cliff
behind the neo-cons.

Drifter...

Drifter,

The Great American Freedom
to 'Choose' Your Poison :

The Bush-Crime-Family
--- or ---
The Obama-Crime-Family

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of...
 

In case you might be interested, the Mayor (Frank Melton) of Jackson
died of an illness today.
www.clarionledger.com www.wjtv.com www.wlbt.com www.wapt.com
www.onlinenewspapers.com (Mississippi)
cuhulin

(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led toInfo...
 

Faux ''news'' is no better than the rest of them.They (''They'') are all
part of the new world order and U.S.fed govt Ministry of Propaganda.
cuhulin

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

On May 7, 3:52*pm, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:

Pelosi was briefed on the Torture and the documents are coming out....
She and the Congress already have it all settled, if it were illegal
Pelosi would not have colluded to allow Bush to adopt it in the first
place.... would she?

Pelosi said she was briefed about what they were thinking about doing
but was not allowed to present any questions and was told there would
be another briefing before any of the techniques were actually used.
If Pelosi had revealed the conversations she could have been tried
for treason. I don't think Pelosi is all that strong.

My local congresscritter, McDermott, is fighting or has fought the
good
fight for revealing a cell phone conversation some one said they had
recorded from cross talk. It doesn't seem to matter that illegal
activity
was being discussed. They seem to have him under control now.

(OT) : The Tortured Rhetoric "American-Taliban"
 

wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT), "~ RHF"
wrote:

.
Hello Americans - Janet Napolitano Thanks You for
Your Newsgroup Comments and Has Pre-Qualified
You As A 'Potential' Terrorist*
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...9e95ef2a7ba3e4
.


I'm Pre-Qualified every other day, I have to feed a bunch into my
shredder too. I'm considering using encryption
justto****withanyoneinterssted.

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

On May 7, 3:48*pm, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:

When you select someone and specifically plan and try to kill them....?

I tend to call it assassination. *War is indiscriminate attacks on a
military not targeting one single person.

Retro answered the first part.

I'd hate to be on a squad with you if you didn't aim your weapon
before
firing. Are you not in that moment you pull your rifle's trigger
targeting
one single person?

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

"Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the wrote in message
.. .

When you select someone and specifically plan and try to kill them....?

I tend to call it assassination. War is indiscriminate attacks on a
military not targeting one single person.


Not totally accurate. Though most of war is indeed indiscriminate, there are
very often specific missions in which there is a specific and known target,
such as a high ranking officer.

(OT) : The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper IntegrationTechnique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
 

~ RHF wrote:
On May 6, 10:49 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.

- Conservative logic - Torture works.
-
- http://catherinemacivor.com/2009/04/...-torture-does-...

Simple Logic {Neither Liberal-or-Conservative :
The Proper Integration Techniques Usually Work

The Question Remains . . .
What Is A Proper Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?

If a technique doesn't work and you still carry through with it then it
is torture. Anyone undergoing physical pain will say anything to get it
to stop; it doesn't work and is torture.

.
clearly 'beheading' {murder} does not get you
the answers you want ~ RHF
.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

On May 7, 6:45*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:


Again MWB Here Is The Question :
Would "You" {Dave} Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

MWB as for "Me" RHF that Answer is Simple
"YES" I Would & 'Yes' I Could & 'Yes' I Will [.]

because after all - i am only human and
they are my family and loved ones ~ RHF
*.

RHF,

Yes, I'd torture to save my own family. But, I'd be committing a crime
and would expect to face prosecution. It would be worth it to save my
family, but I know I'd be committing a crime.

Mike

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force?
 

Michael W. Bryant, LTI's prize dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, wrote:

On May 7, 6:45 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:


Again MWB Here Is The Question :
Would "You" {Dave} Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

MWB as for "Me" RHF that Answer is Simple
"YES" I Would & 'Yes' I Could & 'Yes' I Will [.]

because after all - i am only human and
they are my family and loved ones ~ RHF
.

RHF,

Yes, I'd torture to save my own family. But, I'd be committing a crime
and would expect to face prosecution. It would be worth it to save my
family, but I know I'd be committing a crime.

So? You've already been busted for smoking pot with your students and also once
claimed to have a PhD.

After that, what's one more crime, dufus?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

And, as always, don't let your children attend Louisville Technical Institute.
They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who knows,
there may be more dufi there.

(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Infothat Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.
 

~ RHF wrote:

.
.

- Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. You have the floor.

"CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind
Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.”
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...yay_tortu re/

- By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every
thing?

NO I DID NOT ! :o) ~ RHF
.

22 Apr 2009 08:47 am
Thiessen's LA Tower Canard

We will not know for sure how much garbage or non-garbage the CIA
gleaned from torturing captives until a Truth Commission sorts it all
out, but we do have a great deal of evidence that torturing KSM was,
pace Thiessen, not responsible for foiling the LA Tower plot. As Tim
Noah notes, there is a matter of chronology:

In a White House press briefing, Bush's counterterrorism chief,
Frances Fragos Townsend, told reporters that the cell leader was
arrested in February 2002, and "at that point, the other members of the
cell" (later arrested) "believed that the West Coast plot has been
canceled, was not going forward" [italics mine]. A subsequent fact sheet
released by the Bush White House states, "In 2002, we broke up [italics
mine] a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest
building on the West Coast." These two statements make clear that
however far the plot to attack the Library Tower ever got—an unnamed
senior FBI official would later tell the Los Angeles Times that Bush's
characterization of it as a "disrupted plot" was "ludicrous"—that plot
was foiled in 2002. But Sheikh Mohammed wasn't captured until March 2003.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...er-canard.html

(OT) : The Tortured Rhetoric "American-Taliban"
 

Who i$ John Galt wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT), "~ RHF"
wrote:

.
Hello Americans - Janet Napolitano Thanks You for
Your Newsgroup Comments and Has Pre-Qualified
You As A 'Potential' Terrorist*
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...9e95ef2a7ba3e4
.


I'm Pre-Qualified every other day, I have to feed a bunch into my
shredder too. I'm considering using encryption
justto****withanyoneinterssted.

If my government didn't fear me I'd be a bad citizen.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

dxAce wrote:

Michael W. Bryant, LTI's prize dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, wrote:

On May 7, 6:45 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

Again MWB Here Is The Question :
Would "You" {Dave} Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

MWB as for "Me" RHF that Answer is Simple
"YES" I Would & 'Yes' I Could & 'Yes' I Will [.]

because after all - i am only human and
they are my family and loved ones ~ RHF
.
RHF,

Yes, I'd torture to save my own family. But, I'd be committing a crime
and would expect to face prosecution. It would be worth it to save my
family, but I know I'd be committing a crime.

So? You've already been busted for smoking pot with your students and also once
claimed to have a PhD.

After that, what's one more crime, dufus?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ace, there's nothing wrong with smoking marijuana with consenting adults.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

On May 7, 6:45*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 10:26*am, Mike wrote:

On May 7, 8:58*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 7, 5:38*am, Gary Forbis wrote:

On May 7, 4:15*am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-

Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

Conservative logic - Torture works.

Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame..

It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.

Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

-*The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

RHF,

- What are you saying?

-reposted-
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

[ Is the Use of Force the Defining Element of Torture ? ]

* .
That trauma resulting in pain and suffering is NOT torture?

(geez, this moron can't even post a simple sentence)

Torture is torture. Do you think, well that is useless thing to
ask....would you like to be tortured? It's a quick way to get to the
truth. According to you.

(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Infothat Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.
 

On May 7, 7:08*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 2:54*pm, Kevin Cunningham wrote:



On May 7, 7:03*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 6, 5:56*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:

On May 5, 5:54*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 5, 9:09*am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?

One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?

- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

The answer is that torture doesn't work.

Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

-*The answer is that you, personally, want to watch. *

KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend
or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not
Want To Watch [.]

- You get your rocks off by hearing about torture.

KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex.

-*You are a coward.

KC - 'coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
*.
typical liberal-fascist thinking with respect to other
human beings who do not bow-down to them ~ RHF

- But so what, you want to watch other people being tortured.

KC -clearly- Your 'projections' -wrt- my mental
reasoning and motives; are in-fact a mirror of
your own Psyche with your repeated allusions
to 'watching' and 'sex'.

-*Not that torture ever reveals anything,
- how many witches got burned do you

think? *How many satanists?

KC - Not talking about 'witches' or 'satinists'
unless you personally know of some who have
recently been 'burned' here i the USA.

We are Talking about Islam-O-Fascist Terrorists
who plan Terrorist Attacks like 9/11 and Kill
Thousands of Innocent People Men, Women
and Children.

- The fact is that all the persons involved in torture
- are criminally culpable. *The fact that they won't
- be brought to trial shows what prosecutorial
- discretion is.

KC -fwiw- Personally I 'think' that both Bush and
Cheney should be Accountable; and Said They
Asked For The Legal Advisements On What
Constitutes Torture : State That They Gave The
Orders; and Name The Names of The Members
of the US Congress Who Either Gave The OK
or Their Passive Approval to what is now being
Called Torture After-the-Fact by many of those
same Members of the US Congress.

Pelosi & Reid & Biden + Et Al

Former us president GW Bush and former vp
Dick Cheney need to Stand-Up before the US
Congress On TV and Start Name Names.
*.
*.

- Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor.

"CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind
Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.”http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...d_foiled_los_a...

- By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every
thing?

NO I DID NOT ! :o) ~ RHF
*.

Riiighhhtttt, and I believe something that is in some blog. Sure, not
in the NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

What a drooling whack job.

Would you like to be tortured? When has the law ever allowed
torture? Remember all the witches that were caught by torture?

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

On May 7, 7:12*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 10:27*am, Mike wrote:



On May 7, 12:26*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 7, 8:50*am, Wikking wrote:

~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-

Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.

The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.

--

}(:

- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.

Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The battle has already been fought.

MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend
the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday
Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF
*.

And you are not in it. You are a gutless coward.

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

On May 7, 7:35*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 18:48:29 -0400, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the

wrote:

The CIA waterboarding ones that were recently outed.

Not one has been named fool. ANd they were independent contractors.

Yeah, right, the Germans would have gotten off if they had used
independent contractors.

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

On May 7, 10:33*pm, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 19:17:25 -0400, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the
wrote:

Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor.

Prove that Obama has saved any jobs?

It's on the news almost every night. Plant managers, town managers
saying we had given these people notice they were being let go, but
the stimulus let us keep them. Turn off FUX news and learn something.

over 600,000,000 jobs lost. *No rise in jobs, no hits, no bases, no runs.

Obama has saved zero jobs, but he has been costing us plenty of jobs,
every time he over steps the constitution and beats up on industry and
investors, because that drives money away from the Obama economy.

Geitner was just today saying that they fixed thing so new capital could
come into the markets, who in their right mind would put money where
Obama could do to you what he did to GM investors with capital in this
market. *They should have pulled out when Obama took office, they'd be
way ahead of the game.

This recession started under Bush. All last year, every month, we
were in a recession. That's government figures, Bush announced his
failure after the election. Bush tried to keep the lid on but the
monthly numbers were discouraging.

Now why should you believe me? Who is in the White House trying to
sort out Bush's mess?

Face it, your spending and wars darn near destroyed this great nation.

Remember, your great break through was taking about lowering taxes.
You never talked about deficits. How does it feel to fail?

(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Infothat Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.
 

On May 7, 7:08*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 2:54*pm, Kevin Cunningham wrote:



On May 7, 7:03*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 6, 5:56*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:

On May 5, 5:54*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 5, 9:09*am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?

One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?

- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

The answer is that torture doesn't work.

Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

-*The answer is that you, personally, want to watch. *

KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend
or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not
Want To Watch [.]

- You get your rocks off by hearing about torture.

KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex.

-*You are a coward.

KC - 'coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
*.
typical liberal-fascist thinking with respect to other
human beings who do not bow-down to them ~ RHF

- But so what, you want to watch other people being tortured.

KC -clearly- Your 'projections' -wrt- my mental
reasoning and motives; are in-fact a mirror of
your own Psyche with your repeated allusions
to 'watching' and 'sex'.

-*Not that torture ever reveals anything,
- how many witches got burned do you

think? *How many satanists?

KC - Not talking about 'witches' or 'satinists'
unless you personally know of some who have
recently been 'burned' here i the USA.

We are Talking about Islam-O-Fascist Terrorists
who plan Terrorist Attacks like 9/11 and Kill
Thousands of Innocent People Men, Women
and Children.

- The fact is that all the persons involved in torture
- are criminally culpable. *The fact that they won't
- be brought to trial shows what prosecutorial
- discretion is.

KC -fwiw- Personally I 'think' that both Bush and
Cheney should be Accountable; and Said They
Asked For The Legal Advisements On What
Constitutes Torture : State That They Gave The
Orders; and Name The Names of The Members
of the US Congress Who Either Gave The OK
or Their Passive Approval to what is now being
Called Torture After-the-Fact by many of those
same Members of the US Congress.

Pelosi & Reid & Biden + Et Al

Former us president GW Bush and former vp
Dick Cheney need to Stand-Up before the US
Congress On TV and Start Name Names.
*.
*.

- Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor.

"CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind
Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.”http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...d_foiled_los_a...

- By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every
thing?

NO I DID NOT ! :o) ~ RHF
*.

Riiighhhtttt, and I believe something that is in some blog. Sure, not
in the NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

What a drooling whack job.

Would you like to be tortured? When has the law ever allowed
torture? Remember all the witches that were caught by torture?

(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Infothat Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.
 

On May 8, 7:18*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:08*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 7, 2:54*pm, Kevin Cunningham wrote:

On May 7, 7:03*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 6, 5:56*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:

On May 5, 5:54*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 5, 9:09*am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis

wrote:
On May 5, 1:00*am, "~ RHF" wrote:

Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?

One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?

- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.

RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.

The answer is that torture doesn't work.

Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

-*The answer is that you, personally, want to watch. *

KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend
or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not
Want To Watch [.]

- You get your rocks off by hearing about torture.

KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex.

-*You are a coward.

KC - 'coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
*.
typical liberal-fascist thinking with respect to other
human beings who do not bow-down to them ~ RHF

- But so what, you want to watch other people being tortured.

KC -clearly- Your 'projections' -wrt- my mental
reasoning and motives; are in-fact a mirror of
your own Psyche with your repeated allusions
to 'watching' and 'sex'.

-*Not that torture ever reveals anything,
- how many witches got burned do you

think? *How many satanists?

KC - Not talking about 'witches' or 'satinists'
unless you personally know of some who have
recently been 'burned' here i the USA.

We are Talking about Islam-O-Fascist Terrorists
who plan Terrorist Attacks like 9/11 and Kill
Thousands of Innocent People Men, Women
and Children.

- The fact is that all the persons involved in torture
- are criminally culpable. *The fact that they won't
- be brought to trial shows what prosecutorial
- discretion is.

KC -fwiw- Personally I 'think' that both Bush and
Cheney should be Accountable; and Said They
Asked For The Legal Advisements On What
Constitutes Torture : State That They Gave The
Orders; and Name The Names of The Members
of the US Congress Who Either Gave The OK
or Their Passive Approval to what is now being
Called Torture After-the-Fact by many of those
same Members of the US Congress.

Pelosi & Reid & Biden + Et Al

Former us president GW Bush and former vp
Dick Cheney need to Stand-Up before the US
Congress On TV and Start Name Names.
*.
*.

- Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor.

"CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind
Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.”http://www..outsidethebeltway.com/ar...d_foiled_los_a...

- By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every
thing?

NO I DID NOT ! :o) ~ RHF
*.

Riiighhhtttt, and I believe something that is in some blog. *Sure, not
in the NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

What a drooling whack job.

- Would you like to be tortured?
-*When has the law ever allowed torture?
-*Remember all the witches that were caught by torture?

KC - OK in what Age are you living that you
continually refer to "Witches" Burning and
Torture . . .

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

(OT) : GM will be Closing Plants and Furloughing most of it's Employees for 9+ Weeks due to the Obama-Regime's© Fascist Management Take-Over of that Corporation and Forcing its Bankruptcy - Now That' Job Creation
 

On May 7, 4:35*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 19:17:25 -0400, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the

wrote:
Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor.

Prove that Obama has saved any jobs?

It's on the news almost every night. Plant managers, town managers
saying we had given these people notice they were being let go, but
the stimulus let us keep them. Turn off FUX news and learn something.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/new...ate_regional_g...
With funds from President Barack Obama's plan to jump-start the
economy, college tuition increases will be reduced, fewer state
employees will lose their jobs and mental hospitals will stay open.
Cuts for sheriff's offices were restored.

http://www.nypolitics.com/2009/03/31...-jobs-saved-by...
When Bloomberg presented his preliminary budget plan in January for
the city’s next fiscal year, he warned that some 14,000 teachers could
be laid off because of the drop in state funding.

On Monday, he said it is likely those jobs are now safe. He also said
the city is not going to lay off large numbers of teachers.

http://www.clantonadvertiser.com/new...n-says-3800-jo...

Morton says 3,800 jobs saved by stimulus

By Desiree Hunter | The Associated Press

Published Monday, March 23, 2009

MONTGOMERY — Nearly 3,800 Alabama teaching jobs that were in danger of
being lost will be spared for at least two years thanks to the federal
economic stimulus package, State Superintendent Joe Morton announced
Monday.

GM will be Closing Plants and Furloughing
most of it's Employees for 9+ Weeks due to
the Obama-Regime's© Fascist Management
Take-Over of that Corporation and Forcing its
Bankruptcy - Now That' Job Creation

(OT) : FACT- The Recession Began in 2007 Under The Pelosi-ReidDemocrat Controlled US Congress and in 2009 the Never-EndingRecession-Depression Continues . . .
 

On May 8, 7:24*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 10:33*pm, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-



Dog..com wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 19:17:25 -0400, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the
wrote:

Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor..

Prove that Obama has saved any jobs?

It's on the news almost every night. Plant managers, town managers
saying we had given these people notice they were being let go, but
the stimulus let us keep them. Turn off FUX news and learn something.

over 600,000,000 jobs lost. *No rise in jobs, no hits, no bases, no runs.

Obama has saved zero jobs, but he has been costing us plenty of jobs,
every time he over steps the constitution and beats up on industry and
investors, because that drives money away from the Obama economy.

Geitner was just today saying that they fixed thing so new capital could
come into the markets, who in their right mind would put money where
Obama could do to you what he did to GM investors with capital in this
market. *They should have pulled out when Obama took office, they'd be
way ahead of the game.

- This recession started under Bush.

NO The Recession Began in 2007 Under
The Pelosi-Reid Democrat Controlled US
Congress and in 2009 the Never-Ending
Recession-Depression Continues . . .

The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
 

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the wrote in message
.. .
When you select someone and specifically plan and try to kill them....?

I tend to call it assassination. War is indiscriminate attacks on a
military not targeting one single person.


Not totally accurate. Though most of war is indeed indiscriminate, there are
very often specific missions in which there is a specific and known target,
such as a high ranking officer.



To assassinate him? Or to defeat his troops?

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

On May 8, 6:00*am, dave wrote:
dxAce wrote:

Michael W. Bryant, LTI's prize dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, wrote:

On May 7, 6:45 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

Again MWB Here Is The Question :
Would "You" {Dave} Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

MWB as for "Me" RHF that Answer is Simple
"YES" I Would & 'Yes' I Could & 'Yes' I Will [.]

because after all - i am only human and
they are my family and loved ones ~ RHF
*.
RHF,

Yes, I'd torture to save my own family. But, I'd be committing a crime
and would expect to face *prosecution. It would be worth it to save my
family, but I know I'd be committing a crime.

So? You've already been busted for smoking pot with your students and also once
claimed to have a PhD.

After that, what's one more crime, dufus?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

- Ace, there's nothing wrong with smoking
- marijuana with consenting adults.

Dave - Except It Is Breaking California State
and US Federal Laws.

Dave -but- If you do not mind suffering the 'potential'
Legal Consequences : puff, Puff. PUFF ! Away

(OT) : Jihad Is Alive And Well In Islam -and- Only Fools ThinkOtherwise
 

On May 8, 10:00*am, wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:02:11 -0700 (PDT), "~ RHF"

wrote:
- - BAD It is good to see that you know what
- - you are 'For' and 'Against' and can answer
- - with a simple 'Yes' or 'No' ~

- Ah the simple mind LOVES simple answers.

RG,

The Question called for an Average Joe "Common
Sense" {Gut Feeling} Man-on-the-Street Answer.

Yes. -or- No.

Not an overcomplicated "Intellectualized" Reply.

rg - simple is not necessarily 'simple minded'
while 'common-sense' usually makes sense
-and- for many/most 'feelings' are facts ~ RHF

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
 

~ RHF wrote:


- Ace, there's nothing wrong with smoking
- marijuana with consenting adults.

Dave - Except It Is Breaking California State
and US Federal Laws.

Prop 215 made smoking pot legal with a Doctor's recommendation. I have one.

The DEA has been instructed to stop raiding dispensaries operating
legally under state law.