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(OT) : The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper IntegrationTechnique ? -and- What Is Torture ?

~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 8:36 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 6, 10:49 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
- Conservative logic - Torture works.
-
-http://catherinemacivor.com/2009/04/24/top-interrogator-torture-does-...
Simple Logic {Neither Liberal-or-Conservative :
The Proper Integration Techniques Usually Work
The Question Remains . . .
What Is A Proper Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
If a technique doesn't work and you still carry through with it then it
is torture. Anyone undergoing physical pain will say anything to get it
to stop; it doesn't work and is torture.

.
clearly 'beheading' {murder} does not get you
the answers you want ~ RHF
.

JB - Individual Results Vary -and- Until You Try
a Technique with and Individual You Don't Know.

Something as simple as a Cold Cell with the
Light-On and Sound-Up 24/7 : Might motivate
one Individual to Talk.

Bull**** - most people start to hallucinate when they go without sleep
for 48 - 72 hrs. Only a fool would trust something said by someone
subject to that kind of treatment.

Seeing another Individual {Actor} Dragged
down the Hall into a Room and scream for
several minutes or hours and being dragged
back all Bloody {paint} and beaten : Might
motivate another individual to Talk.

You watch too many movies - it takes no talent to tell real blood from
fake blood.

The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper
Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
.
.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?

~ RHF wrote:
On May 8, 7:18 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:12 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 7, 10:27 am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 8:50 am, Wikking wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?
Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?
- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?
Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
.
.
The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.
--
}(:
- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.
Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
.
.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The battle has already been fought.

- - MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend
- - the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday
- - Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF

- And you are not in it.
- You are a gutless coward.

KC - "gutless"
KC - "coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
.

I'm conservative and I agree with KC - you are a gutless coward.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture OK With A Doctor'sRecommendation ?

On May 8, 2:44*pm, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:

- Ace, there's nothing wrong with smoking
- marijuana with consenting adults.

Dave - Except It Is Breaking California State
and US Federal Laws.

Prop 215 made smoking pot legal with a Doctor's recommendation. *I have one.

The DEA has been instructed to stop raiding dispensaries operating
legally under state law.

Dave a Doctor's Prescription has Real Value
as a matter of Law.
-while- a Doctor's 'recommendation' has little
value in Law -ie- Exercise & Lose Weight

So the Obama-Regime© has Ordered the DEA
Not To Enforce the Marijuana Laws

that was very predictable -and- not news- ~ RHF

(OT) : The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper IntegrationTechnique ? -and- What Is Torture ?

On May 10, 9:31*pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 8:36 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 6, 10:49 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.
- Conservative logic - Torture works.
-
-http://catherinemacivor.com/2009/04/24/top-interrogator-torture-does-...
Simple Logic {Neither Liberal-or-Conservative :
The Proper Integration Techniques Usually Work
The Question Remains . . .
What Is A *Proper Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
If a technique doesn't work and you still carry through with it then it
is torture. Anyone undergoing physical pain will say anything to get it
to stop; it doesn't work and is torture.

*.
clearly 'beheading' {murder} does not get you
the answers you want ~ RHF
*.

JB - Individual Results Vary -and- Until You Try
a Technique with and Individual You Don't Know.

Something as simple as a Cold Cell with the
Light-On and Sound-Up 24/7 : Might motivate
one Individual to Talk.

Bull**** - most people start to hallucinate when they go without sleep
for 48 - 72 hrs. Only a fool would trust something said by someone
subject to that kind of treatment.

- - Seeing another Individual {Actor} Dragged
- - down the Hall into a Room and scream for
- - several minutes or hours and being dragged
- - back all Bloody {paint} and beaten : Might
- - motivate another individual to Talk.

- You watch too many movies - it takes no talent
- to tell real blood from fake blood.

At a distance and in poor light - who knows . . .

- - The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper
- - Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
- - *.
- - *.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?

On May 10, 9:32*pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 8, 7:18 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:12 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 7, 10:27 am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 8:50 am, Wikking wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?
Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?
- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?
Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.
The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.
--
}(:
- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.
Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The battle has already been fought.

- - MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend
- - the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday
- - Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF

- And you are not in it.
- You are a gutless coward.

KC - "gutless"
KC - "coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
*.

- I'm conservative and I agree with KC - you are a gutless coward.

JB - You avoid the Question Time and Time Again
and You Call Me 'Gutless' ?

JB - Time and Time Again You avoid the Question
and You Call Me 'Coward' ?

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?

~ RHF wrote:
On May 10, 9:32 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 8, 7:18 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:12 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 10:27 am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 8:50 am, Wikking wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?
Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?
- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?
Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
.
.
The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.
--
}(:
- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.
Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
.
.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The battle has already been fought.
- - MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend
- - the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday
- - Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF
- And you are not in it.
- You are a gutless coward.
KC - "gutless"
KC - "coward'
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
.

- I'm conservative and I agree with KC - you are a gutless coward.

JB - You avoid the Question Time and Time Again
and You Call Me 'Gutless' ?

I don't avoid questions but call you out on your weasel-like
characteristics. You can run but you can't hide.

JB - Time and Time Again You avoid the Question
and You Call Me 'Coward' ?

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
.
The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper
Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
.
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5b1437406d3851
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...04cbafa70bfbdb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b120edc1cd250c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4cb42d0fd565bf
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e0569f12755418
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e492892306df10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4e72b62e4d03cb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...bc69275e93679e
.
.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

In article ,
John Barnard wrote:

SNIP

I don't avoid questions but call you out on your weasel-like
characteristics. You can run but you can't hide.

SNIP

You avoid any semblance of intelligence in your posts.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
John Barnard wrote:

SNIP

I don't avoid questions but call you out on your weasel-like
characteristics. You can run but you can't hide.

SNIP

You avoid any semblance of intelligence in your posts.

Jesus loves you but everyone else thinks you are an idiot.

(OT) : =Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The LivesOf Your Family and Loved Ones ? =A= Yes -or- No

~ RHF wrote:
On May 13, 8:47 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 10, 9:32 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 8, 7:18 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:12 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 10:27 am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 8:50 am, Wikking wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?
Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?
- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?
Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
.
.
The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.
--
}(:
- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.
Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
.
.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The battle has already been fought.
- - MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend
- - the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday
- - Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF
- And you are not in it.
- You are a gutless coward.
KC - "gutless"
KC - "coward'
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
.
- I'm conservative and I agree with KC - you are a gutless coward.
JB - You avoid the Question Time and Time Again
and You Call Me 'Gutless' ?

- I don't avoid questions

The let your Yes be your Yes; and let your No
be your No; that a simple Yes or No Answer.

=Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

- but call you out on your weasel-like characteristics.

JB - ? weasel-like characteristics ?
http://www.australianshakespearecomp...big/weasel.jpg
[ JB You Been Staring In The Mirror Again . . . ]

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

- You can run but you can't hide.

JB - Ain't Running - Just Still Asking
=Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
=A= Yes -or- No

JB - Ain't Hiding - Just Still Asking
=Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
=A= Yes -or- No
.
The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper
Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
.
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5b1437406d3851
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...04cbafa70bfbdb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b120edc1cd250c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4cb42d0fd565bf
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e0569f12755418
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e492892306df10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4e72b62e4d03cb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...bc69275e93679e
.
.

JB - Time and Time Again You avoid the Question
and You Call Me 'Coward' ?
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
.
The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper
Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
.
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5b1437406d3851
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...04cbafa70bfbdb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b120edc1cd250c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4cb42d0fd565bf
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e0569f12755418
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e492892306df10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4e72b62e4d03cb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...bc69275e93679e
.
.

Here ya go: the answer is no. Torture does not work. People being
tortured make up all sorts of bull**** to get the suffering to stop.

What do you say, old man? Are you willing to be waterboarded 10-15
times? A simple yes or no will do.

(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

In article ,
John Barnard wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
John Barnard wrote:

SNIP

I don't avoid questions but call you out on your weasel-like
characteristics. You can run but you can't hide.

SNIP

You avoid any semblance of intelligence in your posts.

Jesus loves you but everyone else thinks you are an idiot.

I think it unlikely that Jesus loves you and everyone else thinks you
are a hoser.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

(OT) : =Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives OfYour Family and Loved Ones ? =A= Yes -or- No

On May 17, 8:59*pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 13, 8:47 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 10, 9:32 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 8, 7:18 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:12 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 10:27 am, Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 8:50 am, Wikking wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?
Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?
- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?
Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.
The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.
--
}(:
- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.
Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The battle has already been fought.
- - MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend
- - the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday
- - Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF
- And you are not in it.
- You are a gutless coward.
KC - "gutless"
KC - "coward'
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[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
*.
- I'm conservative and I agree with KC - you are a gutless coward.
JB - You avoid the Question Time and Time Again
and You Call Me 'Gutless' ?

- I don't avoid questions

The let your Yes be your Yes; and let your No
be your No; that a simple Yes or No Answer.

=Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?

- but call you out on your weasel-like characteristics.

JB - ? weasel-like characteristics ?
http://www.australianshakespearecomp...big/weasel.jpg
[ JB You Been Staring In The Mirror Again . . . ]

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[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

- You can run but you can't hide.

JB - Ain't Running - Just Still Asking
=Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
=A= Yes -or- No

JB - Ain't Hiding - Just Still Asking
=Q= Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save
The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
=A= Yes -or- No
*.
The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper
Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
*.
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5b1437406d3851
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...04cbafa70bfbdb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b120edc1cd250c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4cb42d0fd565bf
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e0569f12755418
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e492892306df10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4e72b62e4d03cb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...bc69275e93679e
*.
*.

JB - Time and Time Again You avoid the Question
and You Call Me 'Coward' *?
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
*.
The Question Remains . . . What Is A Proper
Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?
*.
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5b1437406d3851
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...04cbafa70bfbdb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b120edc1cd250c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4cb42d0fd565bf
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e0569f12755418
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e492892306df10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4e72b62e4d03cb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...bc69275e93679e
*.
*.

- Here ya go: the answer is no.

See that was easy.

- Torture does not work.

That is debatable depending on
the information being sought.

- People being tortured make up all sorts
- of bull**** to get the suffering to stop.

That is why having a foundation of information
and fact prior to any Interrogation; including
Torture; is important.

- What do you say, old man?
- Are you willing to be waterboarded 10-15 times?
- A simple yes or no will do.

"Willing" to be Waterboarded -a- No ~ RHF