Kevin Cunningham wrote:
On May 7, 7:03 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 6, 5:56 am, Kevin Cunningham wrote:



On May 5, 5:54 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
The answer is that torture doesn't work.
Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion :
Since what is now being called Torture did
help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA.

- The answer is that you, personally, want to watch.

KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend
or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not
Want To Watch [.]

- You get your rocks off by hearing about torture.

KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex.

- You are a coward.

KC - 'coward'

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
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typical liberal-fascist thinking with respect to other
human beings who do not bow-down to them ~ RHF

- But so what, you want to watch other people being tortured.

KC -clearly- Your 'projections' -wrt- my mental
reasoning and motives; are in-fact a mirror of
your own Psyche with your repeated allusions
to 'watching' and 'sex'.

- Not that torture ever reveals anything,
- how many witches got burned do you

think? How many satanists?
KC - Not talking about 'witches' or 'satinists'
unless you personally know of some who have
recently been 'burned' here i the USA.

We are Talking about Islam-O-Fascist Terrorists
who plan Terrorist Attacks like 9/11 and Kill
Thousands of Innocent People Men, Women
and Children.

- The fact is that all the persons involved in torture
- are criminally culpable. The fact that they won't
- be brought to trial shows what prosecutorial
- discretion is.

KC -fwiw- Personally I 'think' that both Bush and
Cheney should be Accountable; and Said They
Asked For The Legal Advisements On What
Constitutes Torture : State That They Gave The
Orders; and Name The Names of The Members
of the US Congress Who Either Gave The OK
or Their Passive Approval to what is now being
Called Torture After-the-Fact by many of those
same Members of the US Congress.

Pelosi & Reid & Biden + Et Al

Former us president GW Bush and former vp
Dick Cheney need to Stand-Up before the US
Congress On TV and Start Name Names.
.
.

Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. You have the floor.


Prove that Obama has saved any jobs?

By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every thing?

On May 7, 10:39*am, Drifter wrote:
Mike wrote:
On May 7, 12:26 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 8:50 am, Wikking wrote:

~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders *of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
*.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
*.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
*.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?
Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?
- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.
The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?
Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
*.
*.
The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.
--
}(:
- Note to Rightwing Extremists:
- When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
- Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
- Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
- harm's way.

Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America}
we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE !
- - - no media stars required ~ RHF
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The battle has already been fought.

Mike, why do you bother to waste your time? all these
people followed the Bush-crime-Family over the cliff
behind the neo-cons.

Drifter...

Drifter,

The Great American Freedom
to 'Choose' Your Poison :

The Bush-Crime-Family
--- or ---
The Obama-Crime-Family

In case you might be interested, the Mayor (Frank Melton) of Jackson
died of an illness today.
www.clarionledger.com www.wjtv.com www.wlbt.com www.wapt.com
www.onlinenewspapers.com (Mississippi)
cuhulin

Faux ''news'' is no better than the rest of them.They (''They'') are all
part of the new world order and U.S.fed govt Ministry of Propaganda.
cuhulin

On May 7, 3:52*pm, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:

Pelosi was briefed on the Torture and the documents are coming out....
She and the Congress already have it all settled, if it were illegal
Pelosi would not have colluded to allow Bush to adopt it in the first
place.... would she?

Pelosi said she was briefed about what they were thinking about doing
but was not allowed to present any questions and was told there would
be another briefing before any of the techniques were actually used.
If Pelosi had revealed the conversations she could have been tried
for treason. I don't think Pelosi is all that strong.

My local congresscritter, McDermott, is fighting or has fought the
good
fight for revealing a cell phone conversation some one said they had
recorded from cross talk. It doesn't seem to matter that illegal
activity
was being discussed. They seem to have him under control now.

wrote:
On Thu, 7 May 2009 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT), "~ RHF"
wrote:

.
Hello Americans - Janet Napolitano Thanks You for
Your Newsgroup Comments and Has Pre-Qualified
You As A 'Potential' Terrorist*
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...9e95ef2a7ba3e4
.


I'm Pre-Qualified every other day, I have to feed a bunch into my
shredder too. I'm considering using encryption
justto****withanyoneinterssted.

On May 7, 3:48*pm, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote:

When you select someone and specifically plan and try to kill them....?

I tend to call it assassination. *War is indiscriminate attacks on a
military not targeting one single person.

Retro answered the first part.

I'd hate to be on a squad with you if you didn't aim your weapon
before
firing. Are you not in that moment you pull your rifle's trigger
targeting
one single person?

wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 19:17:25 -0400, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the
wrote:

Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. You have the floor.

Prove that Obama has saved any jobs?


It's on the news almost every night. Plant managers, town managers
saying we had given these people notice they were being let go, but
the stimulus let us keep them. Turn off FUX news and learn something.

over 600,000,000 jobs lost. No rise in jobs, no hits, no bases, no runs.


Obama has saved zero jobs, but he has been costing us plenty of jobs,
every time he over steps the constitution and beats up on industry and
investors, because that drives money away from the Obama economy.

Geitner was just today saying that they fixed thing so new capital could
come into the markets, who in their right mind would put money where
Obama could do to you what he did to GM investors with capital in this
market. They should have pulled out when Obama took office, they'd be
way ahead of the game.

"Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the wrote in message
.. .

When you select someone and specifically plan and try to kill them....?

I tend to call it assassination. War is indiscriminate attacks on a
military not targeting one single person.


Not totally accurate. Though most of war is indeed indiscriminate, there are
very often specific missions in which there is a specific and known target,
such as a high ranking officer.

~ RHF wrote:
On May 6, 10:49 pm, John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.

- Conservative logic - Torture works.
-
- http://catherinemacivor.com/2009/04/...-torture-does-...

Simple Logic {Neither Liberal-or-Conservative :
The Proper Integration Techniques Usually Work

The Question Remains . . .
What Is A Proper Integration Technique ? -and- What Is Torture ?

If a technique doesn't work and you still carry through with it then it
is torture. Anyone undergoing physical pain will say anything to get it
to stop; it doesn't work and is torture.

.
clearly 'beheading' {murder} does not get you
the answers you want ~ RHF
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