~ RHF wrote:
On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-



Dog..com wrote:
John Barnard wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis
wrote:
On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your
family and loved ones? Do you still have your left arm?
If so then do you have any family and loved ones?
One stupid hypothetical deserves another.
Are your blinders of your own making?
- Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family?
-
- You beat me to it.
RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act
and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of
Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You"
Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives
Of Your Family and Loved Ones ?
.
OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC !
.
The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No
.
Conservative logic - Torture works.
Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.
It is? What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that
Liberals
did not decry?

Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush
Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity.
Some of this is just verbiage. Would you use the word "assassinating"
in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank
robber?

- The distinction between appropriate and
- inappropriate use of force is quite important.

The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ?

Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use
Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which
Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death.
.
.

The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a
Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl
ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi
judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture
and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at
Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable.

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Note to Rightwing Extremists:
When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity,
Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading
Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of
harm's way.