A question for Obama supporters....
 

..
"Barack Obama unveils $2 trillion healthcare cuts
Just how does insurance companies cutting spending by 200 billion
dollars result in anything other than drastically cutting back on health
care? *What logical conclusion is there other than rationing? "Sorry,
Uncle Bob, you're just too old to keep alive. *See you in Heaven".
..
*Insurance companies seem to think that they should be guaranteed a
profit of 20% or more even though they (historically) make stupid
investment and underwriting decisions.
..
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

A question for Obama supporters....
 

On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Mike wrote:

On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Silly is some dumbass dufus, such as yourself, once claiming to have a PhD!

You don't know jack, boy.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

On May 13, 2:58�pm, dxAce wrote:
Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Silly is some dumbass dufus, such as yourself, once claiming to have a PhD!

You don't know jack, boy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, Steve, show us all the "jack" you know! Explain how universal
health coverage would result in less people receiving medical care
than now.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Mike wrote:

On May 13, 2:58�pm, dxAce wrote:
Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Silly is some dumbass dufus, such as yourself, once claiming to have a PhD!

You don't know jack, boy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, Steve, show us all the "jack" you know! Explain how universal
health coverage would result in less people receiving medical care
than now.

Hey, dufus, explain why you lied about having a PhD!

A question for Obama supporters....
 

"Mike" wrote in message
...

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...718153509.aspx

A question for Obama supporters....
 

"Mike" wrote in message
...
On May 13, 2:58?pm, dxAce wrote:
Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Silly is some dumbass dufus, such as yourself, once claiming to have a
PhD!

You don't know jack, boy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, Steve, show us all the "jack" you know! Explain how universal
health coverage would result in less people receiving medical care
than now.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The supply of Doctors is not infinite.

(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via- AUniversal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
 

On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

...

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

On May 13, 1:46*pm, wrote:
On May 13, 12:54*pm, Mike wrote:

On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:

.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

Until Canada's supreme court overturned the rule, Canadians were
prohibited from seeking medical care outside the government system on
the grounds that everyone was entitled to equal treatment, and that
rich people should not be allowed to purchase superior treatment that
the poor didn't receive. *As a result, Canadians who can afford it go
the U.S. for treatment, even though they have to pay all the costs out
of their own pockets.



How silly.

OK so now can Canadians 'buy' a "Private"
USA Health Care Insurance Policy for their
Treatment in the USA ?

(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via-A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
 

On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

...

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.



---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----
And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...18153509.aspx- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

For a large part of my life I used employer-paid health care. That
meant that our product / service was undercut by one from a nation
that had an NHS.
I was in the Navy and earner a pensin and medical care TFL.

I lived in GB for years, using their NHS.

Back in the states, I was on TFL for a couple of years before they
shifted me over to whatever SS calls their plan.

Were I running the world, we would all have something like the British
NHS or TFL. (I understand that the French NHS is even better)

NO insurance companies involved means doing away with a whole arm of
financial paperwork and being able to devote the saved cash to
medicines, instead.
The saved space from the bean=counters would mean being able to hold
more beds, too, I guess.

My late wife was a medical secretary, so she would be needed, but the
accointants - most of them - could take a hike!

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article
,
Mike wrote:

On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Hey, that's great Mike. I can still fund health care for non-producing
scum and then pay again for my own care. You make it sound it so good
but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding their own
health care after all.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article
,
Mike wrote:

On May 13, 2:58?pm, dxAce wrote:
Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Silly is some dumbass dufus, such as yourself, once claiming to have a PhD!

You don't know jack, boy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, Steve, show us all the "jack" you know! Explain how universal
health coverage would result in less people receiving medical care
than now.

I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone
else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an
answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

(OT) : Universal Health Care -means- Universal Health Care Insurance-aka- Everybody Pays
 

On May 13, 2:27*pm, dave wrote:
MNMikeW wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
...

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- - And of these 40 million, how many do you
- - suppose are uninsured INTENTIONALLY?

? Intentionally ?
1 - Due to Low Wages and Claim that They
Can't Afford Health Insurance ~ 30% -and-
Don't Know About Public Programs for the
Low Income Workers and their Families.
2 - Earn Good Wages Contract Commissions
and Claim that They Are Healthy and Don't
Need Health Insurance ~ 22%
3 - Just Plain Choose Not to Buy Health Insurance ~ 11%

Clearly 2 out of 3 Intentionally Choose Not to
Have Health Care Insurance.

- Health insurance should be mandatory,

yes, Yes. YES !

- like auto insurance.

But Many People Do Not "Buy" Auto Insurance
-aka- Un-Insured Drivers such as Un-Licensed
Drivers; Suspended Drivers and Illegal Alien Drivers.

- It saves taxpayer money in the long run.

Yes because ultimately the Taxpayers pay
for the Un-Insured that receive Health Care
Treatment.

(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via-A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
 

On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote:
On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

....

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----
And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...3509.aspx-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- For a large part of my life I used employer-paid
- health care. That meant that our product / service
- was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS.

1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer
Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into
the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services.

2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the
Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is
Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products
and Services.

One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost
of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and
Services.

Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and
Services Cost More than those Imported Goods
Not Subject to those Domestic Costs.

A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services
that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported
Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for
All Goods and Services and does not Penalize
Domestic Goods and Services.

A National Sales Tax System over the Long
Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment
and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage
Based Income Tax System.

90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal
and Illegal should be Paying their State and
Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes :
Instead of Wage Income Taxes. The 'Other' 10%
should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income
Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that
are greater than 5 Times the National Income
Average {$50K} -say- $250K.

The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer
an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation
The USA is now an International Consumer
-aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations
Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a
Wage Income Tax System.

~ RHF

A question for Obama supporters....
 

On May 13, 8:44*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,



*Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Hey, that's great Mike. I can still fund health care for non-producing
scum and then pay again for my own care. You make it sound it so good
but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding their own
health care after all.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Yeah Telamon,

Along the way you could make Car Payments
for them; and a Rent a House for them; and
Pay for a Vacation for them; and; and; and . . .

hey it free lunch time everyone - except for
those who have to work to pay for everyone ~ RHF
-ps- more like double taxation and very
little representation if any at all . . .

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 8:44*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,



*Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Hey, that's great Mike. I can still fund health care for non-producing
scum and then pay again for my own care. You make it sound it so good
but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding their own
health care after all.


Yeah Telamon,

Along the way you could make Car Payments
for them; and a Rent a House for them; and
Pay for a Vacation for them; and; and; and . . .

hey it free lunch time everyone - except for
those who have to work to pay for everyone ~ RHF
-ps- more like double taxation and very
little representation if any at all . . .

Yes, exactly.

Life is so much simpler for the oboma'tards. The Obomination may have
promised to pay the oboma'tards way but it will be the people that work
and pay taxes that provide for them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Telamon wrote:


I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone
else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an
answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me.


Why am I responsible for your roads? Why should I have to pay for your
military?

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Telamon wrote:

...but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding
their own health care after all.

Hey, that's really a great idea!

I'm sure they -could- fund their own health care -- if only it wasn't
for that pesky economy that has tens of millions out of work and thus
not able to "fund their own health care".

I guess if they can't find a job, we will just have to set your
"unproductive scum" out on the curb to die when they get sick.

Oh, and one other thing...as a "good and compassionate Christian", I
hope you are fervently praying that YOUR job doesn't go away.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Five Of Muslim B HO's Muslim Thugs Convicted Of Plot To Blow Up Sears
Tower.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=264187

I fixed the title of that article too.
cuhulin

A question for Obama supporters....
 

"dave" wrote in message
m...
MNMikeW wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
MNMikeW wrote:

than now.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The supply of Doctors is not infinite.


That is absurd.

That is the truth.

The supply of anything (with the possible exception of stupidity) is not
infinite. While you do not lie, you speak no truth.

You're in denial.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

On May 13, 11:54*am, Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:

.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now.
..
No, everyone has coverage in America today. It's illegal for an
emergency room to turn away anyone.

Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.
..
Not if we go for Single Payer, which is what liberals want.
..
The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.
..
Yes, it will.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

bvallely wrote:

On May 13, 11:54 am, Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote:

.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now.
.
No, everyone has coverage in America today. It's illegal for an
emergency room to turn away anyone.

Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.
.
Not if we go for Single Payer, which is what liberals want.
.
The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.
.
Yes, it will.

One must remember that Bryant is full of BS (Bryant Sierra). He's a dufus
academic who at one time claimed to have a PhD.

Bryant is like Obama, believe him and follow him at your peril, and your
country's peril.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Dodge makes the Best vehicles in the World, Period!

I saw on local tv news Wilson Dodge is having a big liquidation sale.
www.wilsondodge.net/index.htm

If you are in the market for a new vehicle, come on down to Wilson Dodge
in Flowood.Flowood is a suburb City, East side of Jackson, just across
the mighty Pearl River.
cuhulin
.................................................. .......
Weee got married in a fevahhhh,,,, hotter than brussels sprouts,,,,,, we
are goin to Jackson,,,, look outttt Jackson townnnn,,,,,
Well, go on downnnn to Jacksonnnn,,, go ahead and make a fool of
yourself,,, We are goinnnn to Jacksonnnnn,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,

A question for Obama supporters....
 

The USURPER B HO's birth certificate: A PURE FRAUD!
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=264269
cuhulin

A question for Obama supporters....
 

The Great State of Texas seeks Justice for her Citizens! (another
INDICTMENT against Obama)
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=264259
cuhulin

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article ,
Billy Burpelson wrote:

Telamon wrote:

...but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding
their own health care after all.

Hey, that's really a great idea!

I'm sure they -could- fund their own health care -- if only it wasn't
for that pesky economy that has tens of millions out of work and thus
not able to "fund their own health care".

I guess if they can't find a job, we will just have to set your
"unproductive scum" out on the curb to die when they get sick.

Oh, and one other thing...as a "good and compassionate Christian", I
hope you are fervently praying that YOUR job doesn't go away.

You just don't get it Mr. Clueless because you are just unable to
understand a concept. How you have managed to get this far in life being
like that is nearly incomprehensible to me. You must have a lot of God's
grace going for you is the only way I can see it. You are the RRS news
group's very own Scarecrow wishing you had a brain.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:


I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone
else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an
answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me.


Why am I responsible for your roads? Why should I have to pay for your
military?

We all use the roads and we all benefit from the common defense of the
country. The constitution provides for that. What it does not provide
for is the taking of one man's wealth and giving it to another.

This is the only country where our rights come from God not government
or man. Government, a man as ruler, or men as a committee do not have
the right to redistribute wealth as they deem fit for any reason that
can be thought of OR we are not free and are under the tyranny of said
government, a ruler, or group of men. If you can't see this then go live
in any other country on the world and have it their way.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article ,
dave wrote:

MNMikeW wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
MNMikeW wrote:

than now.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------

The supply of Doctors is not infinite.


That is absurd.

That is the truth.



The supply of anything (with the possible exception of stupidity) is not
infinite. While you do not lie, you speak no truth.

Stupidity is the entropy of the mind.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via-A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
 

On May 13, 11:37*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote:





On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

...

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.

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And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...spx-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- For a large part of my life I used employer-paid
- health care. That meant that our product / service
- was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS.

1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer
Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into
the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services.

2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the
Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is
Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products
and Services.

One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost
of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and
Services.

Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and
Services Cost More than those Imported Goods
Not Subject to those Domestic Costs.

A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services
that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported
Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for
All Goods and Services and does not Penalize
Domestic Goods and Services.

A National Sales Tax System over the Long
Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment
and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage
Based Income Tax System.

90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal
and Illegal should be Paying their State and
Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes :
Instead of Wage Income Taxes. *The 'Other' 10%
should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income
Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that
are greater than 5 Times the National Income
Average {$50K} -say- $250K.

The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer
an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation
The USA is now an International Consumer
-aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations
Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a
Wage Income Tax System.

~ RHF
*.



I was in the Navy and earner a pensin and medical care TFL.

I lived in GB for years, using their NHS.

Back in the states, I was on TFL for a couple of years before they
shifted me over to whatever SS calls their plan.

Were I running the world, we would all have something like the British
NHS or TFL. (I understand that the French NHS is even better)

NO insurance companies involved means doing away with a whole arm of
financial paperwork and being able to devote the saved cash to
medicines, instead.
The saved space from the bean=counters would mean being able to hold
more beds, too, I guess.

My late wife was a medical secretary, so she would be needed, but the
accointants - most of them - could take a hike!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree with a National Sales Tax or VAT, or whatever term is
selected.
I didn't mind paying it as I knew it was going to help me in one way
or another.
via the pool it entered.

(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via-A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
 

On May 14, 5:23*am, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
- - * Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
- - and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
- - .

- That's not a bad deal.

No -if- You Believe that Health Care is a Right
and therefore a National Health Care System
Must Be "Universal" and Cover Everyone :
Then That's What Everyone Must Equally Pay.

Better a National Sales Tax Where All Goods
and Services Are Taxed Equally : Then a
Wage-Income Tax Where American Made
Domestic Goods are Taxed and Imported
{Chinese Made} Goods go Tax Free : The
Wage-Income Taxing method would Result
in Pricing Domestic Goods 15% Higher than
Imported Goods. That's Not Good For American
Jobs and Workers. ~ RHF

(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via-A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
 

On May 14, 11:11*pm, SeaWoe wrote:
On May 13, 11:37*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote:

On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

...

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------**----
And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...px-Hide...text -

- Show quoted text -

- For a large part of my life I used employer-paid
- health care. That meant that our product / service
- was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS.

1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer
Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into
the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services.

2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the
Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is
Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products
and Services.

One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost
of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and
Services.

Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and
Services Cost More than those Imported Goods
Not Subject to those Domestic Costs.

A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services
that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported
Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for
All Goods and Services and does not Penalize
Domestic Goods and Services.

A National Sales Tax System over the Long
Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment
and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage
Based Income Tax System.

90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal
and Illegal should be Paying their State and
Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes :
Instead of Wage Income Taxes. *The 'Other' 10%
should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income
Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that
are greater than 5 Times the National Income
Average {$50K} -say- $250K.

The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer
an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation
The USA is now an International Consumer
-aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations
Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a
Wage Income Tax System.

~ RHF
*.

I was in the Navy and earner a pensin and medical care TFL.

I lived in GB for years, using their NHS.

Back in the states, I was on TFL for a couple of years before they
shifted me over to whatever SS calls their plan.

Were I running the world, we would all have something like the British
NHS or TFL. (I understand that the French NHS is even better)

NO insurance companies involved means doing away with a whole arm of
financial paperwork and being able to devote the saved cash to
medicines, instead.
The saved space from the bean=counters would mean being able to hold
more beds, too, I guess.

My late wife was a medical secretary, so she would be needed, but the
accointants - most of them - could take a hike!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- I agree with a National Sales Tax or VAT,
- or whatever term is selected.
- I didn't mind paying it as I knew it was going
- to help me in one way or another.
-*via the pool it entered.

Canada & The EU & Japan : Do the National
Sales Tax Thingee To There Benefit
-IF- The USA is to have a Level Global Playing
Field for US Products : Then the USA also
must have a National Sales Tax System to
be on an Equal Tax Footing with the 'other'
Producing Nations.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

bvallely wrote:

.
No, everyone has coverage in America today. It's illegal for an
emergency room to turn away anyone.


.
Not if we go for Single Payer, which is what liberals want.
.

Who pays for emergency room care, which costs thousands of dollars an hour?

The majority of medical professionals spport single-payer.

These "liberals" you speak of, are they everywhere?

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone
else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an
answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me.

Why am I responsible for your roads? Why should I have to pay for your
military?

We all use the roads and we all benefit from the common defense of the
country. The constitution provides for that. What it does not provide
for is the taking of one man's wealth and giving it to another.

This is the only country where our rights come from God not government
or man. Government, a man as ruler, or men as a committee do not have
the right to redistribute wealth as they deem fit for any reason that
can be thought of OR we are not free and are under the tyranny of said
government, a ruler, or group of men. If you can't see this then go live
in any other country on the world and have it their way.


There is no such thing as God. It is childish to believe otherwise.

It is also childish and immoral to support a war machine rationale of
common defense and not apply the same kind of logic to using the might
of the nation to protect the health of its citizens, especially when
every other country in the world does it.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

MNMikeW wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
MNMikeW wrote:

than now.

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The supply of Doctors is not infinite.


That is absurd.
That is the truth.


The supply of anything (with the possible exception of stupidity) is not
infinite. While you do not lie, you speak no truth.

Stupidity is the entropy of the mind.


I know way more about stupidity than you do.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone
else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an
answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me.

Why am I responsible for your roads? Why should I have to pay for your
military?

We all use the roads and we all benefit from the common defense of the
country. The constitution provides for that. What it does not provide
for is the taking of one man's wealth and giving it to another.

This is the only country where our rights come from God not government
or man. Government, a man as ruler, or men as a committee do not have
the right to redistribute wealth as they deem fit for any reason that
can be thought of OR we are not free and are under the tyranny of said
government, a ruler, or group of men. If you can't see this then go live
in any other country on the world and have it their way.


There is no such thing as God. It is childish to believe otherwise.

Reality is just the opposite. There is a God and there is a spiritual
side to you.

It is also childish and immoral to support a war machine rationale of
common defense and not apply the same kind of logic to using the might
of the nation to protect the health of its citizens, especially when
every other country in the world does it.

It is childish to think that in this world you will be left alone.
Defense is something no person can ignore and continue to live.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

MNMikeW wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
MNMikeW wrote:

than now.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The supply of Doctors is not infinite.


That is absurd.
That is the truth.


The supply of anything (with the possible exception of stupidity) is not
infinite. While you do not lie, you speak no truth.

Stupidity is the entropy of the mind.


I know way more about stupidity than you do.

I defer to your expertise.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Telamon wrote:


There is no such thing as God. It is childish to believe otherwise.

Reality is just the opposite. There is a God and there is a spiritual
side to you.


It is childish to think that in this world you will be left alone.
Defense is something no person can ignore and continue to live.


I have faith, you obviously don't.

Gandhi, MLK, Malcom X, and Nelson Mandella are my idols. Not a
fictitious cloud being.

A question for Obama supporters....
 

In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:


There is no such thing as God. It is childish to believe otherwise.

Reality is just the opposite. There is a God and there is a spiritual
side to you.


It is childish to think that in this world you will be left alone.
Defense is something no person can ignore and continue to live.


I have faith, you obviously don't.

Gandhi, MLK, Malcom X, and Nelson Mandella are my idols. Not a
fictitious cloud being.

I'll put my faith in the being that made us all rather than men.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

A question for Obama supporters....
 

Hitler Program Revived By Muslin Jihad Nazi Obama.
www.rense.com
cuhulin

A question for Obama supporters....
 

I finally got my old S-K Wayne socket back from that democrap across the
street from me.I need to put a new set of Autolite AP 64 spark plugs in
my 1983 Dodge van.
How come that democrap don't buy his own damn tools instead of sponging
off of me?