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David Eduardo wrote:

"friend's ipod with commercials" wrote in
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On May 17, 1:37 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

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Heck, I can't recall exactly. One would have to search the archives.

Someone has archived The Well? Cool.

Actually Am NewsTalkers can survive very well, but it means actually
being a local community radio station! Doesn't mean you can't have
Glen Beck, it means being more than a repeater of national news
pretending to be local. It means investing in talent again, providing
real local news. It also means serving your niche very well, adults
35+

WIBC, KTAR, KIRO, KSL, WTOP. Very localized AM news talkers or news
outlets that have moved to FM (or are transitioning by simulcast) and
seen the ratings in 35-54, the only salable part of the audience, grown
immensely.

35-54 will not listen, for the most part, to AM.

Radio lost the digital war to the internet and Ipods. Radio doesn't
matter to kids anymore, like it did when you and I grew up. Other
devices have replaced radio.

That would be why 93% to 95% of persons in the youth demos (12-17,
18-24) use radio weekly?


For how long?

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.

I don't think AMBCB is going to go away anytime soon.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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On 05/17/09 16:27, Telamon wrote:
In ,
"David wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.


Aviation radios are AM radios.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.

I don't think AMBCB is going to go away anytime soon.

Manufacturers are starting to realize that the AM band is not necessary in
multifuncition devices, and we are starting to see FM only devices,
particularly in the areas of media players, iPod and iPhone docks (mine has
FM only), etc.

Granted, there are lots of radios out there... but most people under 30 or
40 would not even think of going to AM in an emergency, since they have no
familiarity with AM or what goes on there... and with news and talk stations
moving rapidly to FM, there will be no service of value left there in most
markets.

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In article ,
"D. Peter Maus" wrote:

On 05/17/09 16:27, Telamon wrote:
In ,
"David wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.


Aviation radios are AM radios.

Yes. Beacons, SW in AM voice mode, UHF in AM voice mode.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.

I don't think AMBCB is going to go away anytime soon.

Manufacturers are starting to realize that the AM band is not necessary in
multifuncition devices, and we are starting to see FM only devices,
particularly in the areas of media players, iPod and iPhone docks (mine has
FM only), etc.

I don't think that is the reason. It is easier to implement FM because
it is in the range of 87 to 107 MHz. The digital noise is harder to
eliminate low frequency AM and loop type antennas are bulkier so if you
want to add radio FM is the easier way to go.

Granted, there are lots of radios out there... but most people under 30 or
40 would not even think of going to AM in an emergency, since they have no
familiarity with AM or what goes on there... and with news and talk stations
moving rapidly to FM, there will be no service of value left there in most
markets.

AMBCB radios are everywhere. Everyone is familiar with them even if they
don't normally used them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
dave wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:


Again, "Hispanic" is a culture, not a race.


"Hispanic Surnamed" is the entire name of the cubbyhole.

No, it's not. There is a branch of my family, with the surname of
"Gleason" in Mexico with accomplishments such as being dean of a faculty
at the UNAM, and the mother of a former Mexican ambassador to Great
Britain.

Of course, the original form of that surname is Celt, and comes from the
Northwestern part of the Iberian Peninsula, morphed only by long usage
in southwestern Ireland.

I know Hispanics with surnames like Liberman... in that case, the family
members qualified for minority tax certificates when they bought KLVE
and KTNQ in Los Angeles. Or names like Riekehoff, Fujimori, Kirchner,
O'Higgins, Fourquets, Bonet, Hadad, Slim, Dassum, Nebot, Fox, Rosenblat,
Pisterman, Smirnoff and many more, and all are Hispanics of some
international prominence or local fame.

It's not about names. Even the original OMB and Bureau of the Census
definition, made before the 1980 Census, said that the quality of being
Hispanic is related to the culture of or derived from the usage of the
Spanish language.


i know more about the history or racism in this country than you do.

http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/hwg.html

I know that these days racism is a red herring 99% of the time
concerning the average citizen.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
Manufacturers are starting to realize that the AM band is not necessary
in
multifuncition devices, and we are starting to see FM only devices,
particularly in the areas of media players, iPod and iPhone docks (mine
has
FM only), etc.

I don't think that is the reason. It is easier to implement FM because
it is in the range of 87 to 107 MHz. The digital noise is harder to
eliminate low frequency AM and loop type antennas are bulkier so if you
want to add radio FM is the easier way to go.

But behind everything is the knowledge that an AM -less radio will sell, but
one without FM will not.

Granted, there are lots of radios out there... but most people under 30
or
40 would not even think of going to AM in an emergency, since they have
no
familiarity with AM or what goes on there... and with news and talk
stations
moving rapidly to FM, there will be no service of value left there in
most
markets.

AMBCB radios are everywhere. Everyone is familiar with them even if they
don't normally used them.

If you ask the average person under 35 what AM radio is, most will give a
wrong answer or make a comment about it being what grand dad listens to, and
they have no idea what might be on AM... and with news talk rapidly moving
to FM, there will be no reason to listen in most markets.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Of course, the original form of that surname is Celt, and comes from
the
Northwestern part of the Iberian Peninsula, morphed only by long usage
in southwestern Ireland.

I know Hispanics with surnames like Liberman... in that case, the
family
members qualified for minority tax certificates when they bought KLVE
and KTNQ in Los Angeles. Or names like Riekehoff, Fujimori, Kirchner,
O'Higgins, Fourquets, Bonet, Hadad, Slim, Dassum, Nebot, Fox,
Rosenblat,
Pisterman, Smirnoff and many more, and all are Hispanics of some
international prominence or local fame.

It's not about names. Even the original OMB and Bureau of the Census
definition, made before the 1980 Census, said that the quality of being
Hispanic is related to the culture of or derived from the usage of the
Spanish language.


i know more about the history or racism in this country than you do.

http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/hwg.html

I know that these days racism is a red herring 99% of the time
concerning the average citizen.

I don't know what racism has to do with this thread anyway... "Hispanic" is
not a race.

Eduardo - help me get this straight.....
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Of course, the original form of that surname is Celt, and comes from
the
Northwestern part of the Iberian Peninsula, morphed only by long usage
in southwestern Ireland.

I know Hispanics with surnames like Liberman... in that case, the
family
members qualified for minority tax certificates when they bought KLVE
and KTNQ in Los Angeles. Or names like Riekehoff, Fujimori, Kirchner,
O'Higgins, Fourquets, Bonet, Hadad, Slim, Dassum, Nebot, Fox,
Rosenblat,
Pisterman, Smirnoff and many more, and all are Hispanics of some
international prominence or local fame.

It's not about names. Even the original OMB and Bureau of the Census
definition, made before the 1980 Census, said that the quality of being
Hispanic is related to the culture of or derived from the usage of the
Spanish language.


i know more about the history or racism in this country than you do.

http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/hwg.html

I know that these days racism is a red herring 99% of the time
concerning the average citizen.

I don't know what racism has to do with this thread anyway... "Hispanic" is
not a race.

You will have to ask that question.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Of course, the original form of that surname is Celt, and comes from
the
Northwestern part of the Iberian Peninsula, morphed only by long usage
in southwestern Ireland.

I know Hispanics with surnames like Liberman... in that case, the
family
members qualified for minority tax certificates when they bought KLVE
and KTNQ in Los Angeles. Or names like Riekehoff, Fujimori, Kirchner,
O'Higgins, Fourquets, Bonet, Hadad, Slim, Dassum, Nebot, Fox,
Rosenblat,
Pisterman, Smirnoff and many more, and all are Hispanics of some
international prominence or local fame.

It's not about names. Even the original OMB and Bureau of the Census
definition, made before the 1980 Census, said that the quality of being
Hispanic is related to the culture of or derived from the usage of the
Spanish language.


i know more about the history or racism in this country than you do.

http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/hwg.html

I know that these days racism is a red herring 99% of the time
concerning the average citizen.

I don't know what racism has to do with this thread anyway... "Hispanic" is
not a race.

But Dufi is! And you are one helluva dufus!

LMFAO at the faux Hispanic!

Now hit the road, you pedantic little asshole.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
...
Manufacturers are starting to realize that the AM band is not necessary
in
multifuncition devices, and we are starting to see FM only devices,
particularly in the areas of media players, iPod and iPhone docks (mine
has
FM only), etc.

I don't think that is the reason. It is easier to implement FM because
it is in the range of 87 to 107 MHz. The digital noise is harder to
eliminate low frequency AM and loop type antennas are bulkier so if you
want to add radio FM is the easier way to go.

But behind everything is the knowledge that an AM -less radio will sell, but
one without FM will not.

SNIP

I'm of the opinion that it clearly cost more money to include AMBCB. The
earphone cord can be a good portable FM antenna for instance and there
is no place to put the AM loop stick. I think that is the main reason
not the AM versus FM band advertising revenue.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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Can you guess where VHF Radios first got started? I know.
cuhulin

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

I don't know what racism has to do with this thread anyway... "Hispanic"
is
not a race.

You will have to ask that question.


Gee, I think I'll take a pass on that.

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Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.

I don't think AMBCB is going to go away anytime soon.


Try to make a digital radio out of an old telephone.

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On May 17, 3:26*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:



"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.

I don't think AMBCB is going to go away anytime soon.

Manufacturers are starting to realize that the AM band is not necessary in
multifuncition devices, and we are starting to see FM only devices,
particularly in the areas of media players, iPod and iPhone docks (mine has
FM only), etc.

I don't think that is the reason. It is easier to implement FM because
it is in the range of 87 to 107 MHz. The digital noise is harder to
eliminate low frequency AM and loop type antennas are bulkier so if you
want to add radio FM is the easier way to go.

Granted, there are lots of radios out there... but most people under 30 or
40 would not even think of going to AM in an emergency, since they have no
familiarity with AM or what goes on there... and with news and talk stations
moving rapidly to FM, there will be no service of value left there in most
markets.

AMBCB radios are everywhere. Everyone is familiar with them even if they
don't normally used them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

d'Eduardo,

Most 'people' under the age of 30~40 own a Car;
Drive that Car; and Listen to the AM & FM Radio
in that Car.

They are reasonably 'familiar' with AM Radio. ~ RHF

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Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I don't know what racism has to do with this thread anyway... "Hispanic" is
not a race.

You will have to ask that question.


EEOC made it a race. I didn't. I know people who put a different race
on their I-9s every time they fill one out. The EEOC is a joke.

'dwardo (and his adding machine) killed radio (or at least moved it to
the internet, where it's sure to make no money for anyone).

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On May 17, 2:19*pm, dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

Again, "Hispanic" is a culture, not a race.

"Hispanic Surnamed" is the entire name of the cubbyhole.

No, it's not. There is a branch of my family, with the surname of
"Gleason" in Mexico with accomplishments such as being dean of a faculty
at the UNAM, and the mother of a former Mexican ambassador to Great
Britain.

Of course, the original form of that surname is Celt, and comes from the
Northwestern part of the Iberian Peninsula, morphed only by long usage
in southwestern Ireland.

I know Hispanics with surnames like Liberman... in that case, the family
members qualified for minority tax certificates when they bought KLVE
and KTNQ in Los Angeles. Or names like Riekehoff, Fujimori, Kirchner,
O'Higgins, Fourquets, Bonet, Hadad, Slim, Dassum, Nebot, Fox, Rosenblat,
Pisterman, Smirnoff and many more, and all are Hispanics of some
international prominence or local fame.

It's not about names. Even the original OMB and Bureau of the Census
definition, made before the 1980 Census, said that the quality of being
Hispanic is related to the culture of or derived from the usage of the
Spanish language.

- i know more about the history or racism in this country than you do.
-
- http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/hwg.html

Dave -but- Have You Lived It . . . as a Member
of the Oppressed Peoples of the USA ?

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Frank Dresser wrote:


Maybe, after the AM band goes sufficiently quiet, digital can be done the
right way, instead of with ibiquity's half-assed kluge.

Better yet, give the band back to the radio amateurs.

Frank Dresser


Please don't. FM works poorly in the canyons; MW is all we got.

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On May 17, 8:18*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Bushcraftgregg" wrote in message

...
Are you trying to say or are others, that there will be "literally" no
AM radio stations? I will paint the picture so there is no
misunderstanding in what I am asking. Will there be day, and if yes -
- when in approx. years - - that I will literally turn on the switch
to my GE P-780 (Thank you Brenda Ann) and there will be just simply
nothing but static?

That could someday be the case during the day, but I doubt it. There will
always be non-profits that will stay on the air since they don't count ad
revenues. *Among these will be public radio stations, religious stations,
etc., and if the band were that empty, you can bet there would be an uptake
on pirate activities.

That doesn't sound too bad, though I would miss hearing my WLW.

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Bushcraftgregg wrote:
On May 17, 8:18 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Bushcraftgregg" wrote in message

...
Are you trying to say or are others, that there will be "literally" no
AM radio stations? I will paint the picture so there is no
misunderstanding in what I am asking. Will there be day, and if yes -
- when in approx. years - - that I will literally turn on the switch
to my GE P-780 (Thank you Brenda Ann) and there will be just simply
nothing but static?

That could someday be the case during the day, but I doubt it. There will
always be non-profits that will stay on the air since they don't count ad
revenues. Among these will be public radio stations, religious stations,
etc., and if the band were that empty, you can bet there would be an uptake
on pirate activities.

That doesn't sound too bad, though I would miss hearing my WLW.


Clear Channel was started in a card game. It appears it will go out
equally ignominously.

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On May 17, 2:27*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

SNIP

The real issue is that AM, on today's receivers and in today's noisy
environment, is dying and is very old technology.

I disagree with this. For the public good, so that there is reliable
communications durning disaster events, the public has to rely on
simple proven technology. AM receivers are everywhere as portables,
table radios, and in cars. It is low cost, low tech, and everywhere.

I don't think AMBCB is going to go away anytime soon.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Shortwave has been dying for Decades
but . . . it is still around
and the AM/MW Band will still be around
for Decades too ~ RHF