Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.

Those who value substance over words, however, will find in this book
a wealth of challenging insights, backed up by thorough research and
brilliant analysis.

This is the sort of book that challenges the fundamental assumptions
of its time -- and which, for that reason, is likely to be shunned
rather than criticized.

Because the word "fascist" is often thrown around loosely these days,
as a general term of abuse, it is good that "Liberal Fascism" begins
by discussing the real Fascism, introduced into Italy after the First
World War by Benito Mussolini.

The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and
especially against individualism in a free market economy. Their
agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit-
making, progressive taxation of capital, and "rigidly secular"
schools.

Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership
of the means of production. They just wanted the government to call
the shots as to how businesses would be run.

They were for "industrial policy," long before liberals coined that
phrase in the United States.

Indeed, the whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable
resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.

Moreover, during the 1920s "progressives" in the United States and
Britain recognized the kinship of their ideas with those of Mussolini,
who was widely lionized by the left.

Famed British novelist and prominent Fabian socialist H.G. Wells
called for "Liberal Fascism," saying "the world is sick of
parliamentary politics."

Another literary giant and Fabian socialist, George Bernard Shaw, also
expressed his admiration for Mussolini -- as well as for Hitler and
Stalin, because they "did things," instead of just talk. In Germany,
the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism
in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither of which was part
of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.

Even the Nazi variant of Fascism found favor on the left when it was
only a movement seeking power in the 1920s.

W.E.B. DuBois was so taken with the Nazi movement that he put
swastikas on the cover of a magazine he edited, despite complaints
from Jewish readers.

Even after Hitler achieved dictatorial power in Germany in 1933,
DuBois declared that the Nazi dictatorship was "absolutely necessary
in order to get the state in order."

As late as 1937 he said in a speech in Harlem that "there is today, in
some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years
past."

In short, during the 1920s and the early 1930s, Fascism was not only
looked on favorably by the left but recognized as having kindred
ideas, agendas and assumptions.

Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their
brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance
themselves from these international pariahs.

Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the left, has
since come down to us defined as being on "the right" -- indeed, as
representing the farthest right, supposedly further extensions of
conservatism.

If by conservatism you mean belief in free markets, limited
government, and traditional morality, including religious influences,
then these are all things that the Fascists opposed just as much as
the left does today.

The left may say that they are not racists or anti-semites, like
Hitler, but neither was Mussolini or Franco. Hitler, incidentally, got
some of his racist ideology from the writings of American
"progressives" in the eugenics movement.

Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis...dp/0767917189/
is too rich a book to be summarized in a newspaper column. Get a copy
and start re-thinking the received notions about who is on "the left"
and who is on "the right." It is a book for people who want to think,
rather than repeat rhetoric.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Thoma...who_is_fascist
http://www.tsowell.com/

http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
wrote:

Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.

this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms. Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.

On Jun 17, 8:51*pm, hal wrote:

this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms. *Like they made liberal a bad word. *Marx was right. *It all
comes down to class warfare. *Either we let the ultra wealthy
conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
government for the benefit of all. *Fascism is the ultra wealthy
controlling the government. *Liberalism has attempted to take that
control back and put it in the hands of The People. *Such was the
purpose of The US Constitution. *A very liberal document by the way. *

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On Jun 17, 6:51*pm, hal wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung

wrote:
Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.

this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms. *Like they made liberal a bad word. *Marx was right. *It all
comes down to class warfare. *Either we let the ultra wealthy
conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
government for the benefit of all. *Fascism is the ultra wealthy
controlling the government. *Liberalism has attempted to take that
control back and put it in the hands of The People. *Such was the
purpose of The US Constitution. *A very liberal document by the way. *

On Jun 18, 12:54*am, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
* * * * *hal said about:
* * * * * Who Is "Fascist"?

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
wrote:

Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms. *

And millions of American eager to swallow.

Like they made liberal a bad word. *Marx was right. *It all
comes down to class warfare. *Either we let the ultra wealthy
conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
government for the benefit of all. *Fascism is the ultra wealthy
controlling the government. *Liberalism has attempted to take that
control back and put it in the hands of The People. *Such was the
purpose of The US Constitution. *A very liberal document by the way. *

Yup.

Synopsis from World Book 1958:
* * * Fascism's parts:
* * *1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
* * *of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, *5) militarism.

cultivation of ignorance?

Karl Rove answers:
* *"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
* * *-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
* * which *proves there can be too much of a good thing." *
* * * * --Karl Rove, February 19, 2001

* * *"We stand for the maintenance of private
* property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
* * *most expedient, or rather the sole possible
* * * * * * * * economic order."
* * * * * * * * * Adolph Hitler

* " Fascism should more appropriately be called
* Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
* * * * * * * * corporate power."
*Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
* * * * * * * * * * * Italy

* *" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
*people tolerate the growth of private power to the
* * *point where it becomes stronger than the
* * democratic state itself. That in its essence is
* * *fascism - ownership of government by an
* individual, by a group or any controlling private
* * * * * * * * * * power. "
* *President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
* * *threat to democracy by corporate power

The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

The Liberty of a Government is not safe if the
Leaders and the Party Tolerate the Growth of
Democratic {People} Power to the point where
it becomes Stronger than the Government itself.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Saying of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State

That in its essence is Obamaism© aka Liberal-Fascism
Ownership of Government by an Individual {President}, by
a Group {Political Party} or any Controlling Private Power
{Federal Reserve}. President Barack 'Hussein' Obama
on the threat to Presidential Czar Power by Democracy.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State

On Jun 17, 10:26*pm, "Seon Ferguson" wrote:
Goldberg is probably the type who would call people anti American for
protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.

"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in ...

Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.

Those who value substance over words, however, will find in this book
a wealth of challenging insights, backed up by thorough research and
brilliant analysis.

This is the sort of book that challenges the fundamental assumptions
of its time -- and which, for that reason, is likely to be shunned
rather than criticized.

Because the word "fascist" is often thrown around loosely these days,
as a general term of abuse, it is good that "Liberal Fascism" begins
by discussing the real Fascism, introduced into Italy after the First
World War by Benito Mussolini.

The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and
especially against individualism in a free market economy. Their
agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit-
making, progressive taxation of capital, and "rigidly secular"
schools.

Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership
of the means of production. They just wanted the government to call
the shots as to how businesses would be run.

They were for "industrial policy," long before liberals coined that
phrase in the United States.

Indeed, the whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable
resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.

Moreover, during the 1920s "progressives" in the United States and
Britain recognized the kinship of their ideas with those of Mussolini,
who was widely lionized by the left.

Famed British novelist and prominent Fabian socialist H.G. Wells
called for "Liberal Fascism," saying "the world is sick of
parliamentary politics."

Another literary giant and Fabian socialist, George Bernard Shaw, also
expressed his admiration for Mussolini -- as well as for Hitler and
Stalin, because they "did things," instead of just talk. In Germany,
the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism
in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither of which was part
of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.

Even the Nazi variant of Fascism found favor on the left when it was
only a movement seeking power in the 1920s.

W.E.B. DuBois was so taken with the Nazi movement that he put
swastikas on the cover of a magazine he edited, despite complaints
from Jewish readers.

Even after Hitler achieved dictatorial power in Germany in 1933,
DuBois declared that the Nazi dictatorship was "absolutely necessary
in order to get the state in order."

As late as 1937 he said in a speech in Harlem that "there is today, in
some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years
past."

In short, during the 1920s and the early 1930s, Fascism was not only
looked on favorably by the left but recognized as having kindred
ideas, agendas and assumptions.

Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their
brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance
themselves from these international pariahs.

Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the left, has
since come down to us defined as being on "the right" -- indeed, as
representing the farthest right, supposedly further extensions of
conservatism.

If by conservatism you mean belief in free markets, limited
government, and traditional morality, including religious influences,
then these are all things that the Fascists opposed just as much as
the left does today.

The left may say that they are not racists or anti-semites, like
Hitler, but neither was Mussolini or Franco. Hitler, incidentally, got
some of his racist ideology from the writings of American
"progressives" in the eugenics movement.

Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis...i-Politics/dp/...
is too rich a book to be summarized in a newspaper column. Get a copy
and start re-thinking the received notions about who is on "the left"
and who is on "the right." It is a book for people who want to think,
rather than repeat rhetoric.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Thoma...who_is_fascist
http://www.tsowell.com/

http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com

On Jun 18, 11:53*pm, "Seon Ferguson" wrote:
"~ RHF" wrote in message

...

On Jun 17, 10:26 pm, "Seon Ferguson" wrote:
Goldberg is probably the type who would call people anti American for
protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.

"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in
...

Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.

Those who value substance over words, however, will find in this book
a wealth of challenging insights, backed up by thorough research and
brilliant analysis.

This is the sort of book that challenges the fundamental assumptions
of its time -- and which, for that reason, is likely to be shunned
rather than criticized.

Because the word "fascist" is often thrown around loosely these days,
as a general term of abuse, it is good that "Liberal Fascism" begins
by discussing the real Fascism, introduced into Italy after the First
World War by Benito Mussolini.

The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and
especially against individualism in a free market economy. Their
agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit-
making, progressive taxation of capital, and "rigidly secular"
schools.

Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership
of the means of production. They just wanted the government to call
the shots as to how businesses would be run.

They were for "industrial policy," long before liberals coined that
phrase in the United States.

Indeed, the whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable
resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.

Moreover, during the 1920s "progressives" in the United States and
Britain recognized the kinship of their ideas with those of Mussolini,
who was widely lionized by the left.

Famed British novelist and prominent Fabian socialist H.G. Wells
called for "Liberal Fascism," saying "the world is sick of
parliamentary politics."

Another literary giant and Fabian socialist, George Bernard Shaw, also
expressed his admiration for Mussolini -- as well as for Hitler and
Stalin, because they "did things," instead of just talk. In Germany,
the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism
in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither of which was part
of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.

Even the Nazi variant of Fascism found favor on the left when it was
only a movement seeking power in the 1920s.

W.E.B. DuBois was so taken with the Nazi movement that he put
swastikas on the cover of a magazine he edited, despite complaints
from Jewish readers.

Even after Hitler achieved dictatorial power in Germany in 1933,
DuBois declared that the Nazi dictatorship was "absolutely necessary
in order to get the state in order."

As late as 1937 he said in a speech in Harlem that "there is today, in
some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years
past."

In short, during the 1920s and the early 1930s, Fascism was not only
looked on favorably by the left but recognized as having kindred
ideas, agendas and assumptions.

Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their
brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance
themselves from these international pariahs.

Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the left, has
since come down to us defined as being on "the right" -- indeed, as
representing the farthest right, supposedly further extensions of
conservatism.

If by conservatism you mean belief in free markets, limited
government, and traditional morality, including religious influences,
then these are all things that the Fascists opposed just as much as
the left does today.

The left may say that they are not racists or anti-semites, like
Hitler, but neither was Mussolini or Franco. Hitler, incidentally, got
some of his racist ideology from the writings of American
"progressives" in the eugenics movement.

Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis...i-Politics/dp/....
is too rich a book to be summarized in a newspaper column. Get a copy
and start re-thinking the received notions about who is on "the left"
and who is on "the right." It is a book for people who want to think,
rather than repeat rhetoric.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Thoma...who_is_fascist
http://www.tsowell.com/

http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com

*.
Who Is A "Fascist"? -and- Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist"
Can "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
-and-
Do "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...9c9a87136d9a10
.
The Liberty of a Government is not safe if the
Leaders and the Party Tolerate the Growth of
Democratic {People} Power to the point where
it becomes Stronger than the Government itself.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Saying of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State

That in its essence is Obamaism© -aka- Liberal-Fascism
Ownership of Government by an Individual {President}, by
a Group {One Political Party} or any Controlling Private
Power {Federal Reserve}.
-says- President Barack 'Hussein' Obama on the Threat
to Presidential {Czar} Power by Multi-Party Democracy
and Freely Voting People.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Above The Law
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is The Law {Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© As The President Decrees :
The Law Is Written {Czar} -aka- All Power To The Czar.
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The One Party Congress
Exists To Support The President {Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Commander
and Chief : The Military Exists To Support The President
{Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is The Power
of Change "Change Is Necessary and Good" : The Youth
Loved The President {Czar} and Change : The Youth Are
The Instruments of Change {Change The Youth : Change
The Culture -aka- Transformational Obamaism©}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Loved By
The People : Good Citizens Love The President {Czar} :
Bad Citizens Will Be Reeducated and Reformed To
Love The President {Czar} -aka- All Love To The Czar.
.
you can make book on it ~ RHF
.

You could also make a book on all the times a Bush worshiper called me an
American hater or communist for being against his policies. They are
politicians. They ARE NOT God's.
Get a life.

SE,

Didn't know that 'you' were worthy of a book.
I guess that 'you' must be a Legend in 'your'
own mind.

Clearly Prez Obama is worthy of his own
'Little Green Book' containing the sayings
Czar Obama.

The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...25f862c62682f6

Hello Wake-Up Call Obama is now the President
and GWB is just so much history.

It's now 2009 and It's Blame Obama Time
-cause- Czar {Prez} Obama is the President.

insane political pay back is a b-i-t-c-h ~ RHF

On Jun 18, 2:54*am, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
* * * * *hal said about:
* * * * * Who Is "Fascist"?

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
wrote:

Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms. *

And millions of American eager to swallow.

Like they made liberal a bad word. *Marx was right. *It all
comes down to class warfare. *Either we let the ultra wealthy
conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
government for the benefit of all. *Fascism is the ultra wealthy
controlling the government. *Liberalism has attempted to take that
control back and put it in the hands of The People. *Such was the
purpose of The US Constitution. *A very liberal document by the way. *

Yup.

Synopsis from World Book 1958:
* * * Fascism's parts:
* * *1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
* * *of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, *5) militarism.

cultivation of ignorance?

Karl Rove answers:
* *"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
* * *-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
* * which *proves there can be too much of a good thing." *
* * * * --Karl Rove, February 19, 2001

* * *"We stand for the maintenance of private
* property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
* * *most expedient, or rather the sole possible
* * * * * * * * economic order."
* * * * * * * * * Adolph Hitler

* " Fascism should more appropriately be called
* Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
* * * * * * * * corporate power."
*Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
* * * * * * * * * * * Italy

* *" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
*people tolerate the growth of Government power to the
* * *point where it becomes stronger than The
* * People. That in its essence is
* * *Socialism - ownership of everything by Government. "
* *President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
* * *threat to democracy by corporate power

The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.


Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
high regard.
Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.

I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
The Governement run the private sector.

Read "The Road to Sefdom".

Chas. Chan wrote:


Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
high regard.
Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.

I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
The Governement run the private sector.


War is pure fascist socialism. The nationalists subsidize the defense
industry with no-bid contracts, while fomenting conflict abroad. A
revolving door is installed between the military and the defense
industry and retired generals become lobbyists, consultants, and BOD
directors.

But this kind of corporate welfare and inbreeding permeates our entire
social structure. Laws are written to ensure a growing need for prison
beds, now a largely for-profit enterprise. This is why pot will never
be legal; potheads meake great prisoners. They are non-violent and
good workers.

Our society is totally ****ed-up. I do hope it collapses completely, so
we can have a fresh start. Too bad we just can't identify more with the
Nazis; their lesson is a good one.

JUST OUT: B HO the USURPER's approval rating index SINKS to MINUS 2
PERCENT. - 2 %
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=267397

Heh, That is GOOD, GOOD, GOOD! Making this here Ghostbusters movie I am
watching on the AMC channel even Better!

Good old Joyce Creel at the auto/truck/lawn mower battery factory that
used to be in Florence,Mississippi used to say to me every day, How are
you going to act?
cuhulin