On Jul 13, 10:29*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Jul 12, 12:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

we had 2 top 40 stations back then, including the one where i got to
pick my own top 40. we listened to other stations because there was a
wide selection and variety available to people back then.

Top 40 stations played 40 songs, give or take. And WDGY was a Storz station,
and Todd Storz was very rigid about playing the list and nothing but the
list.

properly
interpreted, it means we had options. but even our top 40 stations
played a wide variety. today you get a selection some corporate toady
picks for you.

The music is picked the same way it was done 40 years ago.

And variety, as a perception, is not created by playing more songs, it is
created by playing songs the indivudual listener likes without the ones they
don't like. That means commonality and concordance on the biggest hits, and
nothing else.

Now, there are many more stations. For example, in the case of Northport,
they had two AMs giving day, but not night service, in 1960. Today, it has
over a dozen usable signals day and night. They have 8 or 9 distinct
formats
to chose from, and have no need to listen to static and fading on distant
AMs.

we know music went to f.m. that does not mean they are locked into a
playlist some corporate toady has chosen for us to hear.

And, of course, that is not the way it happens. In the best of cases, all
but the brand new songs are picked by the listeners themselves.

Yes, I am sure that not-so-subtle references to drugs amuse you... uh,
pardon me, befuddle you.

it was funny. just like itsibisty yellow polka dot bikini, monster
mash, or purple people eater, nether of those could make it with
today's corporate feverish grip on the media.

I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would likely fall
under being outside community standards and subject a station to a $325
thousand dollar per play fine. But I know of plenty of novelty songs like
Monster Mash and the like that have been played in the last decade...
nothing has changed.

only you believe this market crap, the rest of us know better.

On Jul 13, 10:33*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Jul 12, 1:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

then i must have gotten wdgys jockeys all fired.

It's more likely that either you picked a song they were going to play or
you are fibbing.



Untrue. If you go down in size to groups that own 50 stations or less,
which
excludes only about 10 or 11 companies, you will see that about 12,200
stations are not owned by big companies.

we have few independents here. but we do have clear channel, and more
than one of them.

Again, over 12000 stations are not owned by the big 10 groups.

*there is a place for ridged playlists, but, that model si shrinking
fast

It's worked for about 50 years or so... since Storz and McLendon and the
other Top 40 pioneers proved that playing only the top hits got more
audience.

but you said they were no top 40 rock stations. obtw, no one got
fired.

On Jul 13, 11:07*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:

"Selling what we want you to offer..." is an old concept. It's, from the
radio point of view, about "us." It's the "50,000 watt voice of the Great
Southwest." Who cares? Good radio today is about "you," the individual
listener. It's the difference between "La Nueva, the concert station,
where you can win tickets to the Vicente Fernandez concert..." and
"Imagine yourself in the front row at the Vicente Fernandez concert... it
may not be a dream...."

If the programming is so good, why do you have to give away prizes?

Because there are lots of good stations in each market, and the average
listener uses 4 or 5 of them regularly. We use prizing as an incentive to
those interested in such things to keep them tuned to us and not another
station they like.

yet, they are losing market share to the net, where you can find what
you want. this is tiring, of course a conservative toon will try to
wear you down no matter what is reality.

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On Jul 13, 10:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

there is a place for ridged playlists, but, that model si shrinking
fast

It's worked for about 50 years or so... since Storz and McLendon and the
other Top 40 pioneers proved that playing only the top hits got more
audience.

but you said they were no top 40 rock stations. obtw, no one got
fired.

Oh, you missed the part where I mentioned that "rock" is a different format
(actually a collection of formats") from Top 40.

Top 40 (or CHR, it's name since the 70's) is rock, pop, ballads, r&b,
rhythmic, hip hop, etc. Rock, in varieties like AAA, Classic Rock,
Alternative, AOR, etc., is just rock of one kind or another.

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On Jul 13, 11:07 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Because there are lots of good stations in each market, and the average
listener uses 4 or 5 of them regularly. We use prizing as an incentive to
those interested in such things to keep them tuned to us and not another
station they like.

yet, they are losing market share to the net, where you can find what
you want. this is tiring, of course a conservative toon will try to
wear you down no matter what is reality.

No, actual facts will wear down false impressions that can not be
documented.

Actually, those of us who actually talk to lots of listeners know that the
erosion of radio Time Spent Listening started in the late 80's, well before
the Internet was an issue.

And there has been no erosion of the number of people who use radio... it
is constant in the 94% to 95% range as it has been since the 60's when
Arbitron began.

Why is total listening time down somewhat? There are lots more leisure time
"competitors" starting in the 80's with additional channels on cable, then
going into video games, increases in the average American's work hours, etc.

There are about 120 million active game consoles in the US, per the consumer
electronics association, and gamers are not listening to radio.

Then there are DVDs, video on demand, internet browsing, the emphasis on
fitness, and there are all kinds of things that ding total time spent
listening to radio. It is not streaming alone and it is not iPods... in
fact, several of the other options are much more impactful.

Try doing a 600 person perceptual study of the audience of one station or
format, and ask about leisure time activities and time allocations, and you
will see that the internet is only a fraction of the issue. Hell, calling
plans with free night minutes and free long distance at any time take as
much time away from radio in younger demos as streaming.

David Eduardo wrote:


I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would likely
fall under being outside community standards and subject a station to a
$325 thousand dollar per play fine.

Bull****. You can talk about drugs all you want. Get a grip.

"dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:


I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would likely
fall under being outside community standards and subject a station to a
$325 thousand dollar per play fine.

Bull****. You can talk about drugs all you want. Get a grip.

There are some real practical limits... and they come to community
standards. A discussion of drug legalization is OK, while a person giving
instruction on how to best set up a bong might not.

Is the Estrogen I bought at the GNC store a drug? I doubt very much it
will turn me into a drug addict though.I think I will check out Evansce
and that Femi whatever it is called stuff.
cuhulin

Yoink! some of y'all are Funny!

Ex-FBI (Fumblin Bumblin Idjits) Agent: Why I Support a New 9/11
Investigation.
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I have said it several times before,,, 9/11 was an inside job.So was
that fed building in Oklahoma City,Oklahoma.
cuhulin

I can't use my old Remington electric chainsaw to cut ''it'' off because
that democrap B HO Butt Kisser Dumbass who lives catty corner across
the street from me, he broke my chainsaw.HUMP! he once told me he is an
old country boy (from Bolton,Mississippi.You know where Bolton is, don't
you?) and he knows all about chainsaws.I had to show him at least seven
or eight times how to turn it on.He couldn't figure out that little side
button on the handle must me held in before the chainsaw can be turned
on.

Last Spring, he (he once said he is sixty two years old) bought a lawn
mower at a pawn shop.Believe it or not, he couldn't find the oil drain
plug on the bottom of the engine.He pushed his lawn mower over to my
sidewalk and knocked on my door, he hollered,,, Show me where that oil
plug is!

That is the way it is with ALL democraps and libturds, They Don't Know
****!

I am from Carthage,Mississippi, www.thecarthaginian.com my family
moved to Jackson in 1949 when I was eight years old.Maybe I am not
exactly an old country boy, but I have always known about chainsaws and
lawn mowers.
cuhulin