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"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
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On Jul 11, 6:09 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

That market now has more than 20 differentiable choices in formats. that
is
nearly 7 times the number of choices as before.

every city has 13 million people. have you ever heard of play lists?
that means someone else chooses what you are listening to. most
stations use play lists.

About 99.9% of the radio stations in the Western Hemisphere have
"playlists." All that means is that the person in charge of programming has
determined what songs can be played, how often and such.

The idea that there are musicologist-type DJs rummaging through thousands of
records is a myth, and in the few cases such exists or has existed, most
have failed.

Stations had playlists in the 30's, just as they had lists of the
commercials they had to run, called a log.

nice try, in free market america, you have tons of choices, that are
almost all the same.

And that, in radio, is quite untrue.

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"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
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because they were purchased, or infiltrated by hedge funds that drove
up debts, so that the parasitical hedge fund could sit by their pools,
and collect checks from the cash flow. they created such bland papers,
that they drove almost everyone away, no matter the age.
now they cannot pay their bills. to bad, the papers backed free
market economics, and now its bite them in the ass.

You are full of untruths today.

Papers have been on the decline for 25 to 30 years, because younger people
get their news and information from TV... and in the last decade, from the
Internet. Classifieds are so easy on the web, as is finding a house or
selling one. Checking out cars and prices is also easy on the web... even
buying one and then going to sign and pick it up.

The most debt-free newspapers are still in trouble, because people under 35
or 40 don't read them, and many in older groups don't read as often or as
much... and the three biggest sources of revenue, cars, classifies and real
estate, have all but dried up.

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"dave" wrote in message
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http://somafm.com/

A good use for the web. .. ultra niche appeal.

From experience, I do not think one could find a sample of listeners to that
music even with 60,000 interviews in the LA market... so none of those
eclectic, esoteric or droning formats could be sustained by the commercial
radio model.

On the other hand, I fail to see the alternate business model for this one.
Per their stats, all 14 channels or stations have less listenership than a
mid-tier FM in Traverse City Michigan.

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"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
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every city has 13 million people. have you ever heard of play lists?
that means someone else chooses what you are listening to. most
stations use play lists.
nice try, in free market america, you have tons of choices, that are
almost all the same.

Thank you.. precisely my point. It's a little like states that have a
choice of capital punishments for the condemned. Death by hanging, death by
lethal injection, death by gas chamber, death by electric chair.. it's all
death, the end result is precisely the same.

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Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:04 pm, Poetic Justice wrote:
dave wrote:
0baMa0 Tse Dung wrote:
Rumblings continue from the FCC on fairness, diversity and mandates
for broadcasters.
The airwaves belong to the people. They should serve the people, not
large corporations. Radio was better when ownership was limited to a
few stations per company.
The Constitution says FREE SPEECH, NOT *EQUAL SPEECH*

perhaps you missed the part of the constitution called the supremacy
clause. of course, you have seen it before, which means you are
impervious to facts, logic, and reason.


THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE
Article. VI.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
notwithstanding.


The preemption doctrine derives from the Supremacy Clause of the
Constitution which states that the "Constitution and the laws of the
United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the
constitutions or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
This means of course, that any federal law--even a regulation of a
federal agency--trumps any conflicting state law.



Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.



Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,






~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

*THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE* shall not be construed to deny or disparage
others retained by the people. Like FREEDOM of SPEECH

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
news:f91d42da-49e7-4a9b-8544-
every city has 13 million people. have you ever heard of play lists?
that means someone else chooses what you are listening to. most
stations use play lists.
nice try, in free market america, you have tons of choices, that are
almost all the same.

Thank you.. precisely my point. It's a little like states that have a
choice of capital punishments for the condemned. Death by hanging, death
by lethal injection, death by gas chamber, death by electric chair.. it's
all death, the end result is precisely the same.

As I said to Nick, stations have had playlists and music logs or systems
going back to the early play of live music... and of course, recorded music.
Few are the stations that have had no system, and fewer the ones with no
system that have endured.

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On Jul 11, 10:11*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 11, 6:09 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



That market now has more than 20 differentiable choices in formats. that
is
nearly 7 times the number of choices as before.

every city has 13 million people. have you ever heard of play lists?
that means someone else chooses what you are listening to. most
stations use play lists.

About 99.9% of the radio stations in the Western Hemisphere have
"playlists." *All that means is that the person in charge of programming has
determined what songs can be played, how often and such.


that's right, in the free market, someone else tells me what to
listen to. it was not always so.

The idea that there are musicologist-type DJs rummaging through thousands of
records is a myth, and in the few cases such exists or has existed, most
have failed.




most have been taken over by corporate america, then came the play
lists.



Stations had playlists in the 30's, just as they had lists of the
commercials they had to run, called a log.



yes they did. but the disk jockeys would not get fired if they dared
to play something not on the play list.


nice try, in free market america, you have tons of choices, that are
almost all the same.

And that, in radio, is quite untrue.

i live in a metro area with about 3.5 million people, not only is
radio ****, so is t.v., and both daily papers. prior to 1981, it was
not so.

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On Jul 11, 10:15*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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because they were purchased, or infiltrated by hedge funds that drove
up debts, so that the parasitical hedge fund could sit by their pools,
and collect checks from the cash flow. they created such bland papers,
that they drove almost everyone away, no matter the age.
*now they cannot pay their bills. to bad, the papers backed free
market economics, and now its bite them in the ass.

You are full of untruths today.



that is your opinion. so far that is all i have seen from you, your
opinion.

Papers have been on the decline for 25 to 30 years, because younger people
get their news and information from TV... and in the last decade, from the
Internet.

of course there are reasons for that. as i have stated. in europe,
news papers and magazines are doing much better because they are not
bland conservative doormats.


Classifieds are so easy on the web, as is finding a house or
selling one. Checking out cars and prices is also easy on the web... even
buying one and then going to sign and pick it up.



that is true. but that does not mean total failure as we have seen in
america. the same things are happening in europe, yet papers are doing
much better there, even thriving.


The most debt-free newspapers are still in trouble, because people under 35
or 40 don't read them, and many in older groups don't read as often or as
much... and the three biggest sources of revenue, cars, classifies and real
estate, have all but dried up.


same in europe, yet, the european papers give people something to
read. they are staying afloat, ours are not. people simply do not
believe them anymore. they cover nothing that is important, or if they
do, its milk toast that some right wing stink tank issues.

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On Jul 11, 10:34*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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*every city has 13 million people. have you ever heard of play lists?
that means someone else chooses what you are listening to. most
stations use play lists.
*nice try, in free market america, you have tons of choices, that are
almost all the same.

Thank you.. precisely my point. *It's a little like states that have a
choice of capital punishments for the condemned. Death by hanging, death by
lethal injection, death by gas chamber, death by electric chair.. it's all
death, the end result is precisely the same.

correct, and the corporate conservative blandness is driving millions
of people away. people downloaded music in droves for a reason. they
get to hear what they cannot hear on the radio.
pretty soon t.v. is going to get hit really hard. reruns of lousy
shows over and over again, and only what they think you want to watch,
or, what they own.
when i was a kid, believe it or not, in my metro area, and we are in
the top 20, had 5 channels on t.v., and on friday and saturday night,
there were so many choices, that i had to weigh which choice was
better, and cross my fingers.
today, i can get 29 stations on a good night, and just about all of
them are either showing infomercials, which should be illegal, or more
reruns of what i just watched earlier.
and cable and the dish are no better. and they cost to boot.

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"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
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On Jul 11, 10:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

About 99.9% of the radio stations in the Western Hemisphere have
"playlists." All that means is that the person in charge of programming
has
determined what songs can be played, how often and such.


that's right, in the free market, someone else tells me what to
listen to. it was not always so.

It was always so for the vast majority of decades and stations. Just as
someone at a supermarket determines what products, sizes and varieties of
products to stock... and not stock, someone in each radio station determines
what songs are played and not played.

And just like the supermarket, which uses research, sales tabulations and
such to deteermine desirable procuts, radio does the same thing to decide on
each song.

The idea that there are musicologist-type DJs rummaging through thousands
of
records is a myth, and in the few cases such exists or has existed, most
have failed.


most have been taken over by corporate america, then came the play
lists.

Not so. Playlists existed back to the time of live bands at local radio
staitons... someone determined the songs the bands would play. And since
recorded music has been a staple of American radio, going back to the
rejection of the AFM rules and Petrillo's policies, stations have
pre-programmed music in almost every instance. In fact, the format concept
that "saved radio" in the early and mid-50's, Top 40, was based entirely on
the concept of a playlist and zero deviation from it.

Stations had playlists in the 30's, just as they had lists of the
commercials they had to run, called a log.

yes they did. but the disk jockeys would not get fired if they dared
to play something not on the play list.

Hmm... in the mid 60's, the first person I fired as a PD was a guy who
played one song that was not approved.

And if you worked for Storz or McLendon or Burden or Crowell-Collier or any
of the big operators of music stations in the 50's and broke format, you
were gone.

nice try, in free market america, you have tons of choices, that are
almost all the same.

And that, in radio, is quite untrue.

i live in a metro area with about 3.5 million people, not only is
radio ****, so is t.v., and both daily papers. prior to 1981, it was
not so.

Probably the stations have adjusted to contemporary taste of the target
audience, which is generally 18-49 or 25-54, and you are either out of the
demographic or have not kept up with current taste.