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On Jul 11, 10:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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because they were purchased, or infiltrated by hedge funds that drove
up debts, so that the parasitical hedge fund could sit by their pools,
and collect checks from the cash flow. they created such bland papers,
that they drove almost everyone away, no matter the age.
now they cannot pay their bills. to bad, the papers backed free
market economics, and now its bite them in the ass.

You are full of untruths today.

that is your opinion. so far that is all i have seen from you, your
opinion.

Newspaper circulation is so trendable that charts are even in introduction
to media books at the college level. Circulation has been falling for
decades, and it is demonstrable. The loss of classified revenue, auto
revenue and real estate revenue is in every publicly traded print company's
annual reports and investor updates, with exact statistics. The ABC
documents circulation, and similarly documented counts of column inches of
advertising are readily available.

Papers have been on the decline for 25 to 30 years, because younger people
get their news and information from TV... and in the last decade, from the
Internet.

of course there are reasons for that. as i have stated. in europe,
news papers and magazines are doing much better because they are not
bland conservative doormats.

I was just looking at the financials of Grupo Prisa from Spain, publisher of
Spain's huge national daily... where revenues have been slipping for 10
years and the company is rapidly moving resources to new media instead.
England has seen papers cease publication, and the business is just as bad
there as the US, even though readership is enhanced by the huge use of
public transit.

Classifieds are so easy on the web, as is finding a house or
selling one. Checking out cars and prices is also easy on the web... even
buying one and then going to sign and pick it up.

that is true. but that does not mean total failure as we have seen in
america. the same things are happening in europe, yet papers are doing
much better there, even thriving.

No, they are not. They are losing ad revenue, losing younger demo
circulation and costs are increasing.

The most debt-free newspapers are still in trouble, because people under
35
or 40 don't read them, and many in older groups don't read as often or as
much... and the three biggest sources of revenue, cars, classifies and
real
estate, have all but dried up.

same in europe, yet, the european papers give people something to
read. they are staying afloat, ours are not. people simply do not
believe them anymore. they cover nothing that is important, or if they
do, its milk toast that some right wing stink tank issues.

Very, very few US papers have closed, save those that had a direct
competitor. Two paper cities practically don't exist, but that trend started
in the 50's with things like the News buying the Press in Cleveland, etc.
But papers are still viable, but are shrinking. If costs are reduced, they
will go on for years.

On Jul 12, 1:05*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 11, 10:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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because they were purchased, or infiltrated by hedge funds that drove
up debts, so that the parasitical hedge fund could sit by their pools,
and collect checks from the cash flow. they created such bland papers,
that they drove almost everyone away, no matter the age.
now they cannot pay their bills. to bad, the papers backed free
market economics, and now its bite them in the ass.

You are full of untruths today.

that is your opinion. so far that is all i have seen from you, your
opinion.

Newspaper circulation is so trendable that charts are even in introduction
to media books at the college level. Circulation has been falling for
decades, and it is demonstrable. The loss of classified revenue, auto
revenue and real estate revenue is in every publicly traded print company's
annual reports and investor updates, with exact statistics. The ABC
documents circulation, and similarly documented counts of column inches of
advertising are readily available.


because they are bland conservative door mats. but in europe, its
different.


Papers have been on the decline for 25 to 30 years, because younger people
get their news and information from TV... and in the last decade, from the
Internet.

of course there are reasons for that. as i have stated. in europe,
news papers and magazines are doing much better because they are not
bland conservative doormats.

I was just looking at the financials of Grupo Prisa from Spain, publisher of
Spain's huge national daily... where revenues have been slipping for 10
years and the company is rapidly moving resources to new media instead.
England has seen papers cease publication, and the business is just as bad
there as the US, even though readership is enhanced by the huge use of
public transit.



i did not say all was roses, however, they are doing better. because
they are not bland conservative doormats.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...n_180621..html

European Newspapers Thriving While Americans Struggle

New York Times | Eric Pfanner | 03/30/09

New York Times:

PARIS -- As the death toll in the American newspaper industry mounted
this month, the German publisher Axel Springer, which owns Bild, the
biggest newspaper in Europe, reported the highest profit in its 62-
year history.

At Springer's headquarters in Berlin, there has been no desperate talk
of how to survive the recession and the digital revolution. Instead,
Mathias Döpfner, Springer's chief executive, said he was looking for
opportunities to expand, scouting around for acquisitions in Germany,
Eastern Europe and maybe -- in what would be a first for the company
-- the United States.

Read the whole story: New York Times


Classifieds are so easy on the web, as is finding a house or

selling one. Checking out cars and prices is also easy on the web... even
buying one and then going to sign and pick it up.

that is true. but that does not mean total failure as we have seen in
america. the same things are happening in europe, yet papers are doing
much better there, even thriving.

No, they are not. They are losing ad revenue, losing younger demo
circulation and costs are increasing.



some are, some are not. typical in the business world, however, as i
have posted, some are doing really well most of ours are on life
support. they are bland conservative doormats that no one believes
anymore.


The most debt-free newspapers are still in trouble, because people under
35
or 40 don't read them, and many in older groups don't read as often or as
much... and the three biggest sources of revenue, cars, classifies and
real
estate, have all but dried up.

same in europe, yet, the european papers give people something to
read. they are staying afloat, ours are not. people simply do not
believe them anymore. they cover nothing that is important, or if they
do, its milk toast that some right wing stink tank issues.

Very, very few US papers have closed, save those that had a direct
competitor. Two paper cities practically don't exist, but that trend started
in the 50's with things like the News buying the Press in Cleveland, etc.
But papers are still viable, but are shrinking. If costs are reduced, they
will go on for years.

they need to become the guardian, which just broke a huge story that
made world headlines. except here of course. its why american news in
general is losing readership, and viewership.

"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
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PARIS -- As the death toll in the American newspaper industry mounted
this month, the German publisher Axel Springer, which owns Bild, the
biggest newspaper in Europe, reported the highest profit in its 62-
year history.

Death toll? How many US papers have closed this year, to date? One in
Tucson, one in Denver, one in Seattle... and a couple more. In 1967, we lost
about 30 daily metro papers... all were either evening papers, which
succumbed to the Huntley Brinkley Report and to TV evening news in general,
or were the second paper in the morning in a metro. Guess what, the ones
that I named were all second papers, and there is not enough money for them.

So the article starts with an inaccurate statement, as if hundreds of papers
had closed when it is barely a handful.

And Axel Springer is expanding in things like controlling a major share of
online classifieds in his markets, as well as profitable specialty
magazines, radio, TV, the German equivalent of Amazon.com, etc., etc, etc.
All the revenue growth is in electronic media and new media.

On Jul 12, 2:10*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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PARIS -- As the death toll in the American newspaper industry mounted
this month, the German publisher Axel Springer, which owns Bild, the
biggest newspaper in Europe, reported the highest profit in its 62-
year history.

Death toll? How many US papers have closed this year, to date? One in
Tucson, one in Denver, one in Seattle... and a couple more. In 1967, we lost
about 30 daily metro papers... all were either evening papers, which
succumbed to the Huntley Brinkley Report and to TV evening news in general,
or were the second paper in the morning in a metro. Guess what, the ones
that I named were all second papers, and there is not enough money for them.



then it shows you that concentration had to start somewhere. last
time i checked, oslo norway, pop. a little over 3 mil. still has 3
dailys.

So the article starts with an inaccurate statement, as if hundreds of papers
had closed when it is barely a handful.



nope, if there is only daily, and its gone, then cities have one less
source of information. did you read the complete article?


And Axel Springer is expanding in things like controlling a major share of
online classifieds in his markets, as well as profitable specialty
magazines, radio, TV, the German equivalent of Amazon.com, etc., etc, etc..
All the revenue growth is in electronic media and new media.

did you read the article. they are looking for papers and magazines
to purchase.

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then it shows you that concentration had to start somewhere. last
time i checked, oslo norway, pop. a little over 3 mil. still has 3
dailys.

As I mentioned before, what sustains European papers, and will for a while
longer, is the immense use of public transit systems. What percentage of
newspaper users buy the paper to read on the train or bus?

No US city, save New York, has anywhere near the use of public transit, and
most of the use is by those who can't afford cars. What drives public
transit in Europe is far denser population, resulting in an ease in creating
transit routes very near each person's residence.

Without public transit, the reading time for papers would be reduced
enormously and many papers would fail.

In Buenos Aires, the southernmost city in Europe, one major daily, Clarín
observed that nearly half its daily circulation was bought at Subte (subway)
stations and bus and train stops. And that is why in Europe and Latin
America, Sunday circulation falls way off, while in the US it is much higher
than the Monday-Firday press run.

The US depends on home delivery for most circulation... in other parts of
the world, there is often no home delivery... all copies are sold on the
street.

On Jul 12, 1:02*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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then it shows you that concentration had to start somewhere. last
time i checked, oslo norway, pop. a little over 3 mil. still has 3
dailys.

As I mentioned before, what sustains European papers, and will for a while
longer, is the immense use of public transit systems. What percentage of
newspaper users buy the paper to read on the train or bus?

No US city, save New York, has anywhere near the use of public transit, and
most of the use is by those who can't afford cars. What drives public
transit in Europe is far denser population, resulting in an ease in creating
transit routes very near each person's residence.

Without public transit, the reading time for papers would be reduced
enormously and many papers would fail.

In Buenos Aires, the southernmost city in Europe, one major daily, Clarín
observed that nearly half its daily circulation was bought at Subte (subway)
stations and bus and train stops. And that is why in Europe and Latin
America, Sunday circulation falls way off, while in the US it is much higher
than the Monday-Firday press run.

The US depends on home delivery for most circulation... in other parts of
the world, there is often no home delivery... all copies are sold on the
street.

you go where your customers are. but in my case, i love the door to
door service. but why buy a bland corporate paper that is a
conservative doormat. in europe, papers still break stories faster
than the internet. which menas people value them.
letting madison avenue that is populated with conservatives and
libertarians choose what we see, hear and read, has been a disaster.