Hating Palin
 

Hating Palin
By Ben Voth

As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to
explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly
expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a
quitter who cannot take the heat.

It seems like the 'heat' has been more like hate -- maybe we are
dealing with a simple spelling error? Journalism has gotten rather
weak of late.

A public figure openly called for Palin to be raped during the
campaign. Months after the losing campaign was over, a major comedian
joked about the fictitious rape of one of her daughters. Immediately
after the election, her church was burned. It's fairly difficult to
reconcile this 'heat' as something conventional in politics. In fact,
there might be some good reason to collectively indict Palin critics
for their silent complicity.

This would go a long way to explain why many in the public seem more
drawn to Palin after the resignation and the absurd media reactions to
it. Keep in mind that these incidents remain unrepented public
attacks. The media refused to offer much comment on the burning of
Palin's church -- a silence which conveyed an implied endorsement of
that attack. Imagine if Obama had lost the election and Jeremiah
Wright's church had been burned. Where would the punditry be?

Given the peculiar failure of pundits to "understand" her July 3
statement, it is useful to return to the actual text of her
statement. With such attention we can discover some of the possible
confusion of pundits and reveal the largely ignored messages contained
in Governor Palin's statement. Most interesting is the discussion
about her children:


"In fact, this decision comes after much consideration, and finally
polling the most important people in my life -- my children (where the
count was unanimous... well, in response to asking: ‘Want me to make a
positive difference and fight for ALL our children's future from
OUTSIDE the Governor's office?' It was four "yes's" and one "hell
yeah!" The "hell yeah" sealed it - and someday I'll talk about the
details of that... I think much of it had to do with the kids seeing
their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults
recently.) Um, by the way, sure wish folks could ever, ever understand
that we ALL could learn so much from someone like Trig -- I know he
needs me, but I need him even more... what a child can offer to set
priorities RIGHT -- that time is precious... the world needs more
‘Trigs', not fewer."


The mocking of a disabled child, Trig Palin, must stand out as one of
the most uniquely cruel and despicable contemporary trends of American
politics.

[ http://liberalfascism.nationalreview...BlZDdkMWY1NjY=
]

Could this be what Bill Clinton envisioned when he asked the nation to
bring to an end the politics of personal destruction in the 1990s? It
is clear that the entire Palin family would like to broaden their
advocacy beyond the borders of Alaska. What is also clear is that
pulsing at the center of Media contempt toward Palin is not simply
stated positions on abortion but real life actions that are so
striking and meaningful that they enrage a pretentious political
community [Liberal Fascists] feigning interest in "women's rights."

Palin was one of the rare political figures recently courageous enough
to defend Carrie Prejean -- another conservative woman who "needed" to
lose her job for speaking her mind on gay marriage. While Republicans
stood around and stared at their political feet, and Democrats cheered
from the sideline, Prejean was treated to a vicious rhetorical stoning
in the national media. Palin stepped into the fray and in defense of
another strong conservative woman. It is rather easy to see how Palin
envisions trading her provincial limits of Alaska for a national
pedestal on such transparent political problems confounding our
culture.

Palin's conclusion utilized a quotation from Douglas MacArthur -- an
American general famously dismissed by Democrat President Harry
Truman. Truman's dismissal of MacArthur and the ensuing public
controversy did great damage to Truman's public credibility. Despite
his rogue disposition, MacArthur continued through his rebuttals to
secure a place in history as a tough fighter on the military
battlefield as well as the political battlefield. Here again pundits
seem to miss the rhetorical boat about the larger fight Palin will
bring in the next campaign after an apparent "defeat in the
Philippines" of 2008.

Consider further the unique context of current events. Michael
Jackson is revered at his funeral as someone who really knew how to
love children -- unlike Sarah Palin who the Huffington Post reported
would be running on the "more retardation platform" in 2012.

[ http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...ation-platform
]

Governor Sanford gets a slap on the wrist from his Republican
colleagues and pundits agree -- he should not expect to resign. Could
life be more absurd?

Punditry confusion over Palin's decision and statement is a strategy
to absolve critics of their low moral stature in observing the
despicable cultural conduct toward Governor Palin and her family.
After all, America's political punditry does have an informal role as
referee. Some partisans were not unafraid to suggest that Palin had
crossed the line when she accused Obama of "palling around with
terrorists." It was in their view inappropriate and excessive. The
failure to fairly call the playing field of American politics has
rightly left the American public observing an obscene scene of
political mayhem. The scene clearly disgusts and offends the public
across the political spectrum. According to the current commentators,
all of the events since August 2008 are some sort of confused
nightmare from which we in the electorate can now awaken and come to
our senses. Nothing really happened since there was not a "real"
candidate in Governor Palin. For some in the politically elite
class, such absurd rationalizations will work, but for a sizable
component of the public who saw in Palin their own cultural and
political fortunes, these comments will serve as further fuel for
their partisan fires.

I suspect that many journalists watching their market shares evaporate
and their shareholders sell, are aware that the American public is not
sad to witness their collective demise. The stony silence among the
media class about the hateful vitriol dispensed upon Governor Palin
and her family has not gone unnoticed in the public. Whatever the
future of Governor Palin, it's a safe bet that her political career
will last longer than a great many pundits who make themselves
complicit in this disgraceful conduct of American politics and
culture.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...ing_palin.html

The best source of correct opinions for Liberals and Progessives:
http://www.thepeoplescube.com

Hating Palin
 

"Barry" wrote in message
...
Hating Palin
By Ben Voth

As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to
explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly
expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a
quitter who cannot take the heat.

It seems like the 'heat' has been more like hate -- maybe we are
dealing with a simple spelling error? Journalism has gotten rather
weak of late.

A public figure openly called for Palin to be raped during the
campaign.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is this the same guy who parks his Cadillac in front of the welfare office
while he collects his check, or is this the guy who left Canada so he could
get heart surgery in Houston?

If you can't provide a cite, it's as phony as when Palin's political
opponents claim she stated that she could see Russia from her house.

Hating Palin
 

On Jul 10, 7:33*pm, "Ayn't Rand"
wrote:

Is this the same guy who parks his Cadillac in front of the welfare office
while he collects his check, or is this the guy who left Canada so he could
get heart surgery in Houston?


FACT: There are more MRI machines in the Minneapolis metro area than
in all of Socialist Canada.

If you can't provide a cite, it's as phony as when Palin's political
opponents claim she stated that she could see Russia from her house.

What? You don't have a mouse and a brain? "Ayn't Rand" that's fer
shur.

Hating Palin
 

"Barry" wrote in message
...
Hating Palin
By Ben Voth

As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to
explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly
expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a
quitter who cannot take the heat.

It seems like the 'heat' has been more like hate -- maybe we are
dealing with a simple spelling error? Journalism has gotten rather
weak of late...


....drivel like this being an excellent example...

Hating Palin
 

On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, Barry wrote:
now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they
were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including
a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance

Report: Bush surveillance program was massive


By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer – 2*mins*ago
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond
the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal
inspectors general reported Friday, questioning the legal basis for
the effort but shielding almost all details on grounds they're still
too secret to reveal.
The report, compiled by five inspectors general, refers to
"unprecedented collection activities" by U.S. intelligence agencies
under an executive order signed by President George W. Bush after the
Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
Just what those activities involved remains classified, but the IGs
pointedly say that any continued use of the secret programs must be
"carefully monitored."
The report says too few relevant officials knew of the size and depth
of the program, let alone signed off on it. They particularly
criticize John Yoo, a deputy assistant attorney general who wrote
legal memos undergirding the policy. His boss, Attorney General John
Ashcroft, was not aware until March 2004 of the exact nature of the
intelligence operations beyond wiretapping that he had been approving
for the previous two and a half years, the report says.
Most of the intelligence leads generated under what was known as the
"President's Surveillance Program" did not have any connection to
terrorism, the report said. But FBI agents told the authors that the
"mere possibility of the leads producing useful information made
investigating the leads worthwhile."
The inspectors general interviewed more than 200 people inside and
outside the government, but five former Bush administration officials
refused to be questioned. They were Ashcroft, Yoo, former CIA Director
George Tenet, former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and David
Addington, an aide to former Vice President Dick Cheney.
According to the report, Addington could personally decide who in the
administration was "read into" — allowed access to — the classified
program.
The only piece of the intelligence-gathering operation acknowledged by
the Bush White House was the wiretapping-without-warrants effort. The
administration admitted in 2005 that it had allowed the National
Security Agency to intercept international communications that passed
through U.S. cables without seeking court orders.
Although the report documents Bush administration policies, its
fallout could be a problem for the Obama administration if it
inherited any or all of the still-classified operations.
Bush brought the warrantless wiretapping program under the authority
of a secret court in 2006, and Congress authorized most of the
intercepts in a 2008 electronic surveillance law. The fate of the
remaining and still classified aspects of the wider surveillance
program is not clear from the report.
The report's revelations came the same day that House Democrats said
that CIA Director Leon Panetta had ordered one eight-year-old
classified program shut down after learning lawmakers had never been
apprised of its existence.
The IG report said that President Bush signed off on both the
warrantless wiretapping and other top-secret operations shortly after
Sept. 11 in a single presidential authorization. All the programs were
periodically reauthorized, but except for the acknowledged
wiretapping, they "remain highly classified."
The report says it's unclear how much valuable intelligence the
program has yielded.
The report, mandated by Congress last year, was delivered to lawmakers
Friday.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., told The Associated Press she was shocked
to learn of the existence of other classified programs beyond the
warrantless wiretapping.
Former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales made a terse reference
to other classified programs in an August 2007 letter to Congress. But
Harman said that when she had asked Gonzales two years earlier if the
government was conducting any other undisclosed intelligence
activities, he denied it.
"He looked me in the eye and said 'no,'" she said Friday.
Robert Bork Jr., Gonzales' spokesman, said, "It has clearly been
determined that he did not intend to mislead anyone."
In the wake of the new report, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman
Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt, renewed his call Friday for a formal
nonpartisan inquiry into the government's information-gathering
programs.
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden — the primary architect of the
program_ told the report's authors that the surveillance was
"extremely valuable" in preventing further al-Qaida attacks. Hayden
said the operations amounted to an "early warning system" allowing top
officials to make critical judgments and carefully allocate national
security resources to counter threats.
Information gathered by the secret program played a limited role in
the FBI's overall counterterrorism efforts, according to the report.
Very few CIA analysts even knew about the program and therefore were
unable to fully exploit it in their counterrorism work, the report
said.
The report questioned the legal advice used by Bush to set up the
program, pinpointing omissions and questionable legal memos written by
Yoo, in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel. The Justice
Department withdrew the memos years ago.
The report says Yoo's analysis approving the program ignored a law
designed to restrict the government's authority to conduct electronic
surveillance during wartime, and did so without fully notifying
Congress. And it said flaws in Yoo's memos later presented "a serious
impediment" to recertifying the program.
Yoo insisted that the president's wiretapping program had only to
comply with Fourth Amendment protections against search and seizure —
but the report said Yoo ignored the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act, which had previously overseen federal national security
surveillance.
"The notion that basically one person at the Justice Department, John
Yoo, and Hayden and the vice president's office were running a program
around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of
the Fourth Amendment, is mind boggling," Harman said.
House Democrats are pressing for legislation that would expand
congressional access to secret intelligence briefings, but the White
House has threatened to veto it.

Hating Palin
 

Quit yer whining ya crybaby.

"Barry" wrote in message
...
Hating Palin
By Ben Voth

As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to
explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly
expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a
quitter who cannot take the heat.

It seems like the 'heat' has been more like hate -- maybe we are
dealing with a simple spelling error? Journalism has gotten rather
weak of late.

A public figure openly called for Palin to be raped during the
campaign. Months after the losing campaign was over, a major comedian
joked about the fictitious rape of one of her daughters. Immediately
after the election, her church was burned. It's fairly difficult to
reconcile this 'heat' as something conventional in politics. In fact,
there might be some good reason to collectively indict Palin critics
for their silent complicity.

This would go a long way to explain why many in the public seem more
drawn to Palin after the resignation and the absurd media reactions to
it. Keep in mind that these incidents remain unrepented public
attacks. The media refused to offer much comment on the burning of
Palin's church -- a silence which conveyed an implied endorsement of
that attack. Imagine if Obama had lost the election and Jeremiah
Wright's church had been burned. Where would the punditry be?

Given the peculiar failure of pundits to "understand" her July 3
statement, it is useful to return to the actual text of her
statement. With such attention we can discover some of the possible
confusion of pundits and reveal the largely ignored messages contained
in Governor Palin's statement. Most interesting is the discussion
about her children:


"In fact, this decision comes after much consideration, and finally
polling the most important people in my life -- my children (where the
count was unanimous... well, in response to asking: ‘Want me to make a
positive difference and fight for ALL our children's future from
OUTSIDE the Governor's office?' It was four "yes's" and one "hell
yeah!" The "hell yeah" sealed it - and someday I'll talk about the
details of that... I think much of it had to do with the kids seeing
their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults
recently.) Um, by the way, sure wish folks could ever, ever understand
that we ALL could learn so much from someone like Trig -- I know he
needs me, but I need him even more... what a child can offer to set
priorities RIGHT -- that time is precious... the world needs more
‘Trigs', not fewer."


The mocking of a disabled child, Trig Palin, must stand out as one of
the most uniquely cruel and despicable contemporary trends of American
politics.

[
http://liberalfascism.nationalreview...BlZDdkMWY1NjY=
]

Could this be what Bill Clinton envisioned when he asked the nation to
bring to an end the politics of personal destruction in the 1990s? It
is clear that the entire Palin family would like to broaden their
advocacy beyond the borders of Alaska. What is also clear is that
pulsing at the center of Media contempt toward Palin is not simply
stated positions on abortion but real life actions that are so
striking and meaningful that they enrage a pretentious political
community [Liberal Fascists] feigning interest in "women's rights."

Palin was one of the rare political figures recently courageous enough
to defend Carrie Prejean -- another conservative woman who "needed" to
lose her job for speaking her mind on gay marriage. While Republicans
stood around and stared at their political feet, and Democrats cheered
from the sideline, Prejean was treated to a vicious rhetorical stoning
in the national media. Palin stepped into the fray and in defense of
another strong conservative woman. It is rather easy to see how Palin
envisions trading her provincial limits of Alaska for a national
pedestal on such transparent political problems confounding our
culture.

Palin's conclusion utilized a quotation from Douglas MacArthur -- an
American general famously dismissed by Democrat President Harry
Truman. Truman's dismissal of MacArthur and the ensuing public
controversy did great damage to Truman's public credibility. Despite
his rogue disposition, MacArthur continued through his rebuttals to
secure a place in history as a tough fighter on the military
battlefield as well as the political battlefield. Here again pundits
seem to miss the rhetorical boat about the larger fight Palin will
bring in the next campaign after an apparent "defeat in the
Philippines" of 2008.

Consider further the unique context of current events. Michael
Jackson is revered at his funeral as someone who really knew how to
love children -- unlike Sarah Palin who the Huffington Post reported
would be running on the "more retardation platform" in 2012.

[
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...ation-platform
]

Governor Sanford gets a slap on the wrist from his Republican
colleagues and pundits agree -- he should not expect to resign. Could
life be more absurd?

Punditry confusion over Palin's decision and statement is a strategy
to absolve critics of their low moral stature in observing the
despicable cultural conduct toward Governor Palin and her family.
After all, America's political punditry does have an informal role as
referee. Some partisans were not unafraid to suggest that Palin had
crossed the line when she accused Obama of "palling around with
terrorists." It was in their view inappropriate and excessive. The
failure to fairly call the playing field of American politics has
rightly left the American public observing an obscene scene of
political mayhem. The scene clearly disgusts and offends the public
across the political spectrum. According to the current commentators,
all of the events since August 2008 are some sort of confused
nightmare from which we in the electorate can now awaken and come to
our senses. Nothing really happened since there was not a "real"
candidate in Governor Palin. For some in the politically elite
class, such absurd rationalizations will work, but for a sizable
component of the public who saw in Palin their own cultural and
political fortunes, these comments will serve as further fuel for
their partisan fires.

I suspect that many journalists watching their market shares evaporate
and their shareholders sell, are aware that the American public is not
sad to witness their collective demise. The stony silence among the
media class about the hateful vitriol dispensed upon Governor Palin
and her family has not gone unnoticed in the public. Whatever the
future of Governor Palin, it's a safe bet that her political career
will last longer than a great many pundits who make themselves
complicit in this disgraceful conduct of American politics and
culture.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...ing_palin.html

The best source of correct opinions for Liberals and Progessives:
http://www.thepeoplescube.com

Hating Palin
 

Ayn't Rand wrote:

If you can't provide a cite, it's as phony as when Palin's political
opponents claim she stated that she could see Russia from her house.


That was Tina Fey.

Hating Palin
 

On Jul 10, 9:27*pm, "Clave"
wrote:

...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!

Hating Palin
 

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Barry
wrote:

Hating Palin
By Ben Voth

As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to
explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly
expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a
quitter who cannot take the heat.

The media is now admitting they picked on Sarah and ignored what Biden said.

The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

Hating Palin
 

Ayn't Rand wrote:

If you can't provide a cite, it's as phony as when Palin's political
opponents claim she stated that she could see Russia from her house.

dave wrote:

That was Tina Fey.

Yes. (The real) Palin, when asked of her international political
qualifications, just claimed that she could see Russia from a part of
Alaska -- a part of Alaska she had NEVER been to. Some qualification.
Bwahahahahaha!!!

Sorry, all you Palin lovers; spin it any way you want, but she still
comes across as an intellectual lightweight and a major league ditz.

That MILF vote will get you in trouble every time. Try using your big
head the next time you vote.

Hating Palin
 

On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, Barry wrote:
even david brooks is finding out how perverted the republicans
aDavid Brooks: A Republican senator put ‘his hand on my inner
thigh’ for a ‘whole’ dinner party:i wonder which family values
conservative that was?






http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/10/...senator-thigh/

David Brooks: A Republican senator put ‘his hand on my inner thigh’
for a ‘whole’ dinner party.
Earlier this week, New York Times columnist David Brooks wrote about
how “the dignity code” has been “completely obliterated” in
Washington, DC. Discussing the concept on MSNBC today, Brooks recalled
how he “sat next to a Republican senator once at dinner and he had his
hand on my inner thigh the whole time”:
BROOKS: You know, all three of us spend a lot of time covering
politicians and I don’t know about you guys, but in my view, they’re
all emotional freaks of one sort or another. They’re guaranteed to
invade your personal space, touch you. I sat next to a Republican
senator once at dinner and he had his hand on my inner thigh the whole
time. I was like, ehh, get me out of here.
HARWOOD: What?
BROOKS: I can only imagine what happens to you guys.
O’DONNELL: Sorry, who was that?
BROOKS: I’m not telling you, I’m not telling you.
Brooks said that he has “spoken to a lot of young women who are Senate
staffers and they’ll have these middle age guys who are sort of in the
middle of a mid-life crisis. Emotionally needy, they don’t know how to
do it and sort of like these St. Bernards drooling everywhere.” Watch
it:



When O’Donnell asked if he had “a couple drinks at lunch,” Brooks said
that he was just “trying not to be too dignified and stuffy.”
Transcript:
O’DONNELL: What, what’s happened?

BROOKS: You know, all three of us spend a lot of time covering
politicians and I don’t know about you guys, but in my view, they’re
all emotional freaks of one sort or another. They’re guaranteed to
invade your personal space, touch you. I sat next to a Republican
senator once at dinner and he had his hand on my inner thigh the whole
time. I was like, ehh, get me out of here.
HARWOOD: What?
BROOKS: I can only imagine what happens to you guys.
O’DONNELL: Sorry, who was that?
BROOKS: I’m not telling you, I’m not telling you. But so, a lot of
them spend so much time needing people’s love and yet they are
shooting upwards their whole life, they’re not that great in normal
human relationships. And so, they’re like freaks, they don’t know how
to, they’re lonely. They reach out. I’ve spoken to a lot of young
women who are Senate staffers and they’ll have these middle age guys
who are sort of in the middle of a mid-life crisis. Emotionally needy,
they don’t know how to do it and sort of like these St. Bernards
drooling everywhere. And you find a lot of this happens in mid-life
and among very powerful people who are extremely lonely.
O’DONNELL: Can I ask one other question David? Do you think, what
about female or women politicians? Are they dignified and are there
examples of when they have not? Or does it tend to be the men who less
dignified?
BROOKS: Yeah, I think that’s mostly a matter of genetics. I do think
that…I do think there’s loneliness.
O’DONNELL: That was just a softball, David, and you really hit it very
well.
BROOKS: Yeah, I wish I could think of sort of St. Bernards, sloppy
women who are licking their aides, but but no, I can’t think of any.
HARWOOD: I’m not going there.
O’DONNELL: Did you have a couple drinks at lunch, David? I mean, this
is clearly.
BROOKS: No, you’ve hit me…I’m trying not to be too dignified and
stuffy.
O’DONNELL: Well, David Brooks as always, thank you very much. That was
a lot of fun. You may not have gotten best column of the week, but you
got best appearance of the week, certainly.

Hating Palin
 

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:35:34 -0400, Joe from Kokomo
wrote:


Ayn't Rand wrote:

If you can't provide a cite, it's as phony as when Palin's political
opponents claim she stated that she could see Russia from her house.

dave wrote:

That was Tina Fey.

Yes. (The real) Palin, when asked of her international political
qualifications, just claimed that she could see Russia from a part of
Alaska -- a part of Alaska she had NEVER been to. Some qualification.
Bwahahahahaha!!!

Sorry, all you Palin lovers; spin it any way you want, but she still
comes across as an intellectual lightweight and a major league ditz.

That MILF vote will get you in trouble every time. Try using your big
head the next time you vote.
Hypocrites usually accuse the opposition for what they are guilty of -
in this case - hate.

I highly doubt she is hated - just not respected. She brings
everything on herself but accuses the "liberal media" for pointing out
her faults.

Hating Palin
 

"No ObaMao" wrote in message
...
On Jul 10, 7:33 pm, "Ayn't Rand"
wrote:

Is this the same guy who parks his Cadillac in front of the welfare office
while he collects his check, or is this the guy who left Canada so he
could
get heart surgery in Houston?


FACT: There are more MRI machines in the Minneapolis metro area than
in all of Socialist Canada.

Really? Proves nothing, ****stick. For years, rightards claimed someone
from Canada went to Houston to get the heart surgery he couldn't get at
home. Of course, they were unable to provide a name.

Since we're into anecdotes, ****head, the Canadians I've spoken with--real
Canadians, not rich rightard loons and political shills--are satisfied with
their health care system.



If you can't provide a cite, it's as phony as when Palin's political
opponents claim she stated that she could see Russia from her house.

What? You don't have a mouse and a brain? "Ayn't Rand" that's fer
shur.

Meaning: Numbnutz doesn't have a cite, so it's just another unfounded
anecdote.

Hating Palin
 

"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in message
...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:

...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!

Won't be seein' ya around, punkass.

Hating Palin
 

"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in message
...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:

...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!
================================================

Another right-wank assclown who doesn't know what "fascist" means...

Hating Palin
 

"Clave" wrote in message
news:Dq6dnV1LKMUJYMXXnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@cablespeedmi .com...

"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in message
...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:

...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!
================================================

Another right-wank assclown who doesn't know what "fascist" means...


Never bother an extremist (of any ilk) with such mundane and useless things
as facts.

Hating Palin
 

"duke" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Barry
wrote:

Hating Palin
By Ben Voth

As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to
explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly
expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a
quitter who cannot take the heat.

The media is now admitting they picked on Sarah and ignored what Biden
said.

Anyone who lies about Obama "paling around with terrorists" deserves
everything she gets.

Hating Palin
 

On Jul 11, 12:26*am, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, Barry wrote:
now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they
were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including
a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance

Report: Bush surveillance program was massive

By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer – 2*mins*ago
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond
the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal
inspectors general reported Friday, questioning the legal basis for
the effort but shielding almost all details on grounds they're still
too secret to reveal.
The report, compiled by five inspectors general, refers to
"unprecedented collection activities" by U.S. intelligence agencies
under an executive order signed by President George W. Bush after the
Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
Just what those activities involved remains classified, but the IGs
pointedly say that any continued use of the secret programs must be
"carefully monitored."
The report says too few relevant officials knew of the size and depth
of the program, let alone signed off on it. They particularly
criticize John Yoo, a deputy assistant attorney general who wrote
legal memos undergirding the policy. His boss, Attorney General John
Ashcroft, was not aware until March 2004 of the exact nature of the
intelligence operations beyond wiretapping that he had been approving
for the previous two and a half years, the report says.
Most of the intelligence leads generated under what was known as the
"President's Surveillance Program" did not have any connection to
terrorism, the report said. But FBI agents told the authors that the
"mere possibility of the leads producing useful information made
investigating the leads worthwhile."
The inspectors general interviewed more than 200 people inside and
outside the government, but five former Bush administration officials
refused to be questioned. They were Ashcroft, Yoo, former CIA Director
George Tenet, former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and David
Addington, an aide to former Vice President Dick Cheney.
According to the report, Addington could personally decide who in the
administration was "read into" — allowed access to — the classified
program.
The only piece of the intelligence-gathering operation acknowledged by
the Bush White House was the wiretapping-without-warrants effort. The
administration admitted in 2005 that it had allowed the National
Security Agency to intercept international communications that passed
through U.S. cables without seeking court orders.
Although the report documents Bush administration policies, its
fallout could be a problem for the Obama administration if it
inherited any or all of the still-classified operations.
Bush brought the warrantless wiretapping program under the authority
of a secret court in 2006, and Congress authorized most of the
intercepts in a 2008 electronic surveillance law. The fate of the
remaining and still classified aspects of the wider surveillance
program is not clear from the report.
The report's revelations came the same day that House Democrats said
that CIA Director Leon Panetta had ordered one eight-year-old
classified program shut down after learning lawmakers had never been
apprised of its existence.
The IG report said that President Bush signed off on both the
warrantless wiretapping and other top-secret operations shortly after
Sept. 11 in a single presidential authorization. All the programs were
periodically reauthorized, but except for the acknowledged
wiretapping, they "remain highly classified."
The report says it's unclear how much valuable intelligence the
program has yielded.
The report, mandated by Congress last year, was delivered to lawmakers
Friday.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., told The Associated Press she was shocked
to learn of the existence of other classified programs beyond the
warrantless wiretapping.
Former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales made a terse reference
to other classified programs in an August 2007 letter to Congress. But
Harman said that when she had asked Gonzales two years earlier if the
government was conducting any other undisclosed intelligence
activities, he denied it.
"He looked me in the eye and said 'no,'" she said Friday.
Robert Bork Jr., Gonzales' spokesman, said, "It has clearly been
determined that he did not intend to mislead anyone."
In the wake of the new report, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman
Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt, renewed his call Friday for a formal
nonpartisan inquiry into the government's information-gathering
programs.
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden — the primary architect of the
program_ told the report's authors that the surveillance was
"extremely valuable" in preventing further al-Qaida attacks. Hayden
said the operations amounted to an "early warning system" allowing top
officials to make critical judgments and carefully allocate national
security resources to counter threats.
Information gathered by the secret program played a limited role in
the FBI's overall counterterrorism efforts, according to the report.
Very few CIA analysts even knew about the program and therefore were
unable to fully exploit it in their counterrorism work, the report
said.
The report questioned the legal advice used by Bush to set up the
program, pinpointing omissions and questionable legal memos written by
Yoo, in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel. The Justice
Department withdrew the memos years ago.
The report says Yoo's analysis approving the program ignored a law
designed to restrict the government's authority to conduct electronic
surveillance during wartime, and did so without fully notifying
Congress. And it said flaws in Yoo's memos later presented "a serious
impediment" to recertifying the program.
Yoo insisted that the president's wiretapping program had only to
comply with Fourth Amendment protections against search and seizure —
but the report said Yoo ignored the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act, which had previously overseen federal national security
surveillance.
"The notion that basically one person at the Justice Department, John
Yoo, and Hayden and the vice president's office were running a program
around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of
the Fourth Amendment, is mind boggling," Harman said.
House Democrats are pressing for legislation that would expand
congressional access to secret intelligence briefings, but the White
House has threatened to veto it.

They have been called the “Fifty Cent Party,” the “red vests” and the
“red vanguard.” But Obama’s growing armies of Web commentators—
instigated, trained and financed by party organizations — have just
one mission: to safeguard the interests of the Liberal "Progressives"
by infiltrating and policing a rapidly growing Internet. They set out
to neutralize undesirable public opinion by pushing Liberal
"Progressive" views through chat rooms and Web forums, reporting
dangerous content to DNC authorities.

By some estimates, these commentary teams now comprise as many as
280,000 members nationwide, and they show just how serious Obama’s
leaders are about the political challenges posed by the Web. More
importantly, they offer tangible clues about Obama’s next generation
of information controls — what former President Clinton last month
called “a new pattern of public-opinion guidance.”

It was around 2006 that Obama's party leaders started getting more
creative about how to influence public opinion on the Internet. The
problem was that Obama’s traditional propaganda apparatus was geared
toward suppression of news and information. This or that story, Web
site or keyword could be blocked or filtered. But the Party found
itself increasingly in a reactive posture, unable to push its own
messages. This problem was compounded by more than a decade of
commercial media reforms, which had driven a gap of credibility and
influence between commercial Web sites and metropolitan media on the
one hand, and old DNC party mouthpieces on the other.

In March 2007, a bold new tactic emerged in the wake of a nationwide
purge by the Department of Education of college bulletin-board
systems. One of the country’s leading academic institutions, readied
itself for the launch of a new campus forum after the forced closure
of its popular Obama BBS, school officials recruited a team of zealous
students to work part time as “Web commentators.” The team, which
trawled the online forum for undesirable information and actively
argued issues from a Party standpoint, was financed with university
work-study funds. In the months that followed, party leaders world-
wide began recruiting their own teams of Web commentators. Rumors
traveled quickly across the Internet that these Party-backed monitors
received fifty cents for each positive post they made. The term Fifty
Cent Party was born.

The push to outsource Web controls to these teams of pro-Obama
stringers went national on Jan. 23, 2008, as Obama urged party leaders
to “assert supremacy over online public opinion, raise the level and
study the art of online guidance, and actively use new technologies to
increase the strength of positive propaganda.” Sen. Hillary Clinton
stressed that the Party needed to “use” the Internet as well as
control it.

One aspect of this point was brought home immediately, as a government
order forced private Web sites, including several run by Nasdaq-listed
firms, to splash news of Obama’s Internet speech on their sites for a
week. Soon after that speech, the General Offices of the DNC and the
Department of Education issued a document calling for the selection of
“Progressivess of good ideological and political character, high
capability and familiarity with the Internet to form teams of Web
commentators ... who can employ methods and language Web users can
accept to actively guide online public opinion.”

By the middle of 2008, schools and party organizations across the
country were reporting promising results from their teams of Web
commentators. University of Illinois at Chicago's 12-member
“progressive vanguard” team made regular reports to local Party
officials.

Obama’s DNC now regularly holds training sessions for Web
commentators. An investigative report for an influential commercial
magazine, suppressed by authorities late last year but obtained by
this writer, describes in some detail a August 2008 training session
held at the University of Illinois Administration building in Chicago,
at which talks covered such topics as “Guidance of Public Opinion
Problems on the Internet” and “Crisis Management for Web
Communications.”

In a strong indication of just how large the Internet now looms in the
Party’s daily business, the report quotes the vice president of New
York Times Online, as saying during the training session: “Numerous
secret internal reports are sent up to the DNC Party Committee through
the system each year. Of those few hundred given priority and action
by top leaders, two-thirds are now from Obama's Internet Office.”

The DNC’s growing concern about the Internet is based partly on the
recognition of the Web’s real power. Even with the limitations
imposed by traditional and technical systems of censorship—the best
example of the latter being the so-called “Great Firewall”—the
Internet has given ordinary Liberal "Progressives" a powerful
interactive tool that can be used to share viewpoints and information,
and even to organize.

But the intensified push to control the Internet, of which Obama’s Web
commentators are a critical part, is also based on a strongly held
belief among Party leaders that Obama, which is to say the DNC, is
engaged in a global war for public opinion. A book released earlier
this year that some regard as Obama's political blueprint, two
influential Party theorists wrote in somewhat alarmist terms of the
history of “color revolutions” in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
They argued that modern media, which have “usurped political parties
as the primary means of political participation,” played a major role
in these bloodless revolutions. “The influence of the ruling party
faces new challenges,” they wrote. “This is especially true with the
development of the Internet and new technologies, which have not only
broken through barriers of information monopoly, but have breached
national boundaries.”

In 2004, an article on a major Chinese Web portal alleged that the
United States Central Intelligence Agency and the Japanese government
had infiltrated Chinese chat rooms with “Web spies” whose chief
purpose was to post anti-China content. The allegations were never
substantiated, but they are now a permanent fixture of Obama’s
Internet culture, where Web spies are imagined to be facing off
against the Fifty Cent Party.

Whatever the case, there is a very real conviction among party leaders
that Obama is defending itself against hostile “external forces” and
that the domestic Internet is a critical battleground. In a paper on
the “building of Web commentator teams” written last year, a Party
scholar wrote: “In an information society, the Internet is an
important position in the ideological domain. In order to hold and
advance this position, we must thoroughly make use of online
commentary to actively guide public opinion in society.”

Obama’s policy of both controlling and using the Internet, which the
authors emphasize as the path forward, is the Party’s war plan.
Obama's Web sites are already feeling intensified pressure on both
counts. “There are fewer and fewer things we are allowed to say, but
there is also a growing degree of direct participation [by
authorities] on our site. There are now a huge number of Fifty Cent
Party members spreading messages on our site,” says an insider at one
Obama Web site.

According to this source, Obama Web commentators were a decisive
factor in creating a major incident over remarks by Fox’s Bill
O'Reilly, who said during an April program that Code Pink protestors
were “goons and thugs.” “Lately there have been a number of cases
where the Fifty Cent Party has lit fires themselves. One of the most
obvious was over Fox’s Bill O'Reilly. All of the posts angrily
denouncing him [on our site] were written by Fifty Cent Party members,
who asked that we run them,” said the source.

“Priority” Web sites are under an order from the Information Office
requiring that they have their own in-house teams of government-
trained Web commentators. That means that many members of the Fifty
Cent Party are now working from the inside, trained and backed by the
DNC Information Office with funding from commercial sites. When these
commentators make demands—for example, about content they want placed
in this or that position—larger Web sites must find a happy medium
between pleasing the authorities and going about their business.

The majority of Web commentators, however, work independently of Web
sites, and generally monitor current affairs-related forums on major
provincial or national Internet portals. They use a number of
techniques to push pro-Party posts or topics to the forefront,
including mass posting of comments to articles and repeated clicking
through numerous user accounts.

“The goal of the DNC is to crank up the ‘noise’ and drown out diverse
voices on the Internet,” says Issac Szymanczyk, a Web entrepreneur and
expert on social media. “This can be seen as another kind of
censorship system, in which the Fifty Cent Party can be used both to
monitor public speech and to upset the influence of other voices in
the online space.”

Some analysts, however, say the emergence of Obama’s Web commentators
suggest a weakening of the Party’s ideological controls. “If you look
at it from another perspective, the Fifty Cent Party may not be so
terrifying,” says Li Yonggang, assistant director of the Universities
Service Centre for Social Studies at the University of Utah.
“Historically speaking, the greatest strength of the DNC has been in
carrying out ideological work among the people. Now, however, the
notion of ‘doing ideological work’ has lost its luster. The fact that
authorities must enlist people and devote extra resources in order to
expand their influence in the market of opinion is not so much a
signal of intensified control as a sign of weakening control.”

Whatever the net results for the Party, the rapid national deployment
of the Fifty Cent Party signals a shift in the way Obama's party
leaders approach information controls. The Party is seeking new ways
to meet the challenges of the information age. And this is ultimately
about more than just the Internet. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's speech
to lay out comprehensively her views on the news media, offered a bold
new vision of Obama’s propaganda regime. Mrs. Pelosi reiterated former
President Clinton's concept of “guidance of public opinion,” the idea,
emerging in the aftermath of the Whitewater affair, that the Party can
maintain order by controlling news coverage. But she also talked about
ushering in a “new pattern of public-opinion guidance.”

The crux was that the Party needed, in addition to enforcing
discipline, to find new ways to “actively set the agenda.” Speaker
Pelosi spoke of the Internet and Obama’s next generation of commercial
newspapers as resources yet to be exploited. “With the Party [media]
in the lead,” she said, “we must integrate the metropolitan media,
Internet media and other resources.”

Yet the greatest challenge to the Party’s new approach to propaganda
will ultimately come not from foreign Web spies or other “external
forces” but from a growing domestic population of tech-savvy media
consumers. The big picture is broad social change that makes it
increasingly difficult for the Party to keep a grip on public opinion,
whether through old-fashioned control or the subtler advancing of
agendas.

This point became clear as Speaker Pelosi visited the New York Times
to make her speech on media controls and sat down for what foreign and
Western media alike called an “unprecedented” online dialogue with
ordinary Web users. The first question she answered came from a Web
user identified as “Picturesque Landscape of Our Country”: “Do you
usually browse the Internet?” he asked. “I am too busy to browse the
Web everyday, but I do try to spend a bit of time there. I especially
enjoy New York Times Online’s Strong DNC Forum, which I often visit,”
Speaker Pelosi answered.

On the sidelines, the search engines were leaping into action. Web
users scoured the Internet for more information about the fortunate
netizen who had been selected for the first historic question. Before
long the Web was riddled with posts reporting the results. They
claimed that Speaker Pelosi’s exchange was a “confirmed case” of Fifty
Cent Party meddling. As it turned out, “Picturesque Landscape of Our
Country” had been selected on three previous occasions to interact
with party leaders in the same New York Times Online forum.

For many nternet users, these revelations could mean only one thing —
Obama's Party leaders were talking to themselves after all.

http://cmp.hku.hk/2008/07/07/1098/

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On Jul 11, 10:58*am, "Ayn't Rand"
wrote:
"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in ...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:



...drivel like this being an excellent example...
Ja! *HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!

Won't be seein' ya around, punkass.

Is that a threat?

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On Jul 11, 4:01*pm, "Clave"
wrote:
"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in ...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:



...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! *HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!
================================================

Another right-wank assclown who doesn't know what "fascist" means...

Throughout history Fascism has its roots in the Left. YOU don't know
what fascism "means".

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"Chas. Chan" wrote in message
...
On Jul 11, 4:01 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in
...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:



...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!
================================================

Another right-wank assclown who doesn't know what "fascist" means...

Throughout history Fascism has its roots in the Left. YOU don't know
what fascism "means".
================================================== =====================

Heh. You go ahead and believe whatever helps you sleep, Pumpkin.

Jim

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Chas. Chan wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:01 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in ...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:



...drivel like this being an excellent example...
Ja! HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!
================================================

Another right-wank assclown who doesn't know what "fascist" means...

Throughout history Fascism has its roots in the Left. YOU don't know
what fascism "means".

Throughout history? Fascism is about 100 years old.

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On Jul 11, 7:08*pm, dave wrote:
Chas. Chan wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:01 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
"0baMa0 Tse Dung" wrote in ...
On Jul 10, 9:27 pm, "Clave"
wrote:

...drivel like this being an excellent example...
Ja! *HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!
================================================

Another right-wank assclown who doesn't know what "fascist" means...

Throughout history Fascism has its roots in the Left. *YOU don't know
what fascism "means".

Throughout history? *Fascism is about 100 years old.- Hide quoted text -


Yes Professor DaviD, PhD, we all know about your history.
Go back to sleep.

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On Jul 11, 8:07*am, 0baMa0 Tse Dung wrote:
On Jul 10, 9:27*pm, "Clave"
wrote:



...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! *HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!

hitler hated liberals, he killed over 6.5 million jews because most
of them are liberal. he
killed communists, socialists, trade unionists, the mentally retarded,
the physical disabled, the unemployed, whom he all considered useless
eaters.
liberals would not kill for your political and economic beliefs, the
constitution is a liberal document, that grants you those rights.
liberals would house the retarded, help the disabled, and provide
unemployment benefits for the unemployed. once again you have proven
that propaganda can work on the truly stupid.

Hating Palin
 

For what it's worth, Bro. Stair, the Prophet, says she's a tool of the
Illuminati!

Hudley Pearse

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now this is fascism:

"I don't like it, it must be fascism!!" (Or liberalism or socialism).

Hudley Pearse

Hating Palin
 

i wonder which family values
conservative that was?

Why don't these conservadiqheads just join the Log Cabin Republicans?

Hudley Pearse

Hating Palin
 

I think Sarah Palin is going Independent, and if so, that is Good.

There are some real Republicans, but they are not phony like the
so-called ''republicans.

Mostly, ALL dems and libs are just like peas in a pod, CLINICALLY
INSANE!!!
cuhulin

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Hating Palin
 

On Jul 11, 10:10*pm, "
wrote:
now this is fascism:

"I don't like it, it must be fascism!!" (Or liberalism or socialism).

Hudley Pearse

sorry, but the bush administration almost supported the 14 points of
what makes fascism.

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Hating Palin
 

Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 11, 10:10 pm, "
wrote:
now this is fascism:
"I don't like it, it must be fascism!!" (Or liberalism or socialism).

Hudley Pearse

sorry, but the bush administration almost supported the 14 points of
what makes fascism.
Is that suppose to make us feel better about Obama's Socialist policies?

Hating Palin
 

I Likes Sarah Palin.She is prettier than that what's her name woman who
played the part of Wonder Woman in those old tv series.Also, Sarah Palin
is Very Intelligent too.
I would likes to marry her for the weekends.
cuhulin

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Dumbass B HO USURPER: Salesman of the year.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=269118

The sales of Shootin Irons are Soaring.
We have ''them'' OutNumbered and also OutGunned.
There are other ''Tricks'' too.I love old ''Tricks''
cuhulin

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No ObaMao wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:33 pm, "Ayn't Rand"
wrote:
Is this the same guy who parks his Cadillac in front of the welfare office
while he collects his check, or is this the guy who left Canada so he could
get heart surgery in Houston?


FACT: There are more MRI machines in the Minneapolis metro area than
in all of Socialist Canada.

I doubt that Minneapolis would have over 150 MRI's; that would be a huge
waste of MRI's. But you enjoy being a pathological liar, don't you?



If you can't provide a cite, it's as phony as when Palin's political
opponents claim she stated that she could see Russia from her house.

What? You don't have a mouse and a brain? "Ayn't Rand" that's fer
shur.

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Hating Bailing Palin
 

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:32:06 -0500, cuhulin wrote:

I Likes Sarah Palin.She is prettier than that what's her name woman who
played the part of Wonder Woman in those old tv series.Also, Sarah Palin
is Very Intelligent too.
I would likes to marry her for the weekends. cuhulin

would be a good time but she would quit half way though
and leave you hanging
so to speak...

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On Jul 13, 7:00*am, dave wrote:
wrote:
I Likes Sarah Palin.She is prettier than that what's her name woman who
played the part of Wonder Woman in those old tv series.Also, Sarah Palin
is Very Intelligent too.
I would likes to marry her for the weekends.
cuhulin

She is a moonbat.

Compared to you she does seem intelligent.

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On Jul 12, 5:55*pm, Poetic Justice wrote:
Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 11, 10:10 pm, "
wrote:
now this is fascism:
"I don't like it, it must be fascism!!" (Or liberalism or socialism).

Hudley Pearse

*sorry, but the bush administration almost supported the 14 points of
what makes fascism.

Is that suppose to make us feel better about Obama's Socialist policies?

the constitution is a socialists document.

(OT) : Another Freaking Liberal-Fascist "Palin Derangement Syndrome"Post
 

On Jul 13, 5:26*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:55*pm, Poetic Justice wrote:

Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 11, 10:10 pm, "
wrote:
now this is fascism:
"I don't like it, it must be fascism!!" (Or liberalism or socialism)..

Hudley Pearse

*sorry, but the bush administration almost supported the 14 points of
what makes fascism.

Is that suppose to make us feel better about Obama's Socialist policies?

*the constitution is a socialists document.

(OT) : Palin Derangement Syndrome
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