Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 14, 9:37*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message

...
On Sep 14, 7:12 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote: ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} *is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," *Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

I should be noted that those of us who are SWL's or AMBCB DX'ers (a form of
nerd) are much more concerned with the "exact" time, whereas the vast
majority of people on Earth find +/- 5 minutes to be quite adequate. Some
even far less than that (folks here figure if they show up to work less than
half an hour late, they're still considered to be "on time")
__________________
Nerds we shortwave listeners or Dxers are not. We should be proud -
damn proud - of our hobby, and the timekeeping possibilities it
presents.

The clock we punch in at work gains 1 minute per month! And it
replaced one - of the same make & model - that used to gain TWO
minutes per month. The same exact make & model, in another department
staffed by the same contractor that I work for, LOSES a minute per
month. LOL!

Wait a minute Brenda - HERE IT IS!! I drop my card into this pile of
gears every freakin day:

http://www.ecptime.on.ca/amanoMJR7000.html

I can't believe I found the sunovabitch on line!! This clock sucks.
No two keep the same time - or the right time, for that matter.


-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
...
On Sep 14, 9:37 pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message

...
On Sep 14, 7:12 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

I should be noted that those of us who are SWL's or AMBCB DX'ers (a form
of
nerd) are much more concerned with the "exact" time, whereas the vast
majority of people on Earth find +/- 5 minutes to be quite adequate. Some
even far less than that (folks here figure if they show up to work less
than
half an hour late, they're still considered to be "on time")
__________________
Nerds we shortwave listeners or Dxers are not. We should be proud -
damn proud - of our hobby, and the timekeeping possibilities it
presents.

The clock we punch in at work gains 1 minute per month! And it
replaced one - of the same make & model - that used to gain TWO
minutes per month. The same exact make & model, in another department
staffed by the same contractor that I work for, LOSES a minute per
month. LOL!

Wait a minute Brenda - HERE IT IS!! I drop my card into this pile of
gears every freakin day:

http://www.ecptime.on.ca/amanoMJR7000.html

I can't believe I found the sunovabitch on line!! This clock sucks.
No two keep the same time - or the right time, for that matter.



You know what? It's strange, in a way, but my personal experience is that
when clocks went from analog to digital, they stopped keeping good time. The
old synchronous motors had more than enough flywheel effect that if the line
frequency DID happen to shift for a moment or two, the clock didn't change
speed with it. Now that everything is running off of a crystal (32.* KHz?)
that is mass produced by the billions and no two are alike, nothing keeps
decent time anymore. Were there ever AC operated digital clocks that simply
got their sync from the line?

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:

___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

-CC

Average consumers don't care what time it is that much. The quest for
the exact time is what leads some people to shortwave radio in the first
place. As Dick Nixon told Raoul Duke "**** the doomed."

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 15, 5:35*am, dave wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} *is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," *Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

-CC

Average consumers don't care what time it is that much. *The quest for
the exact time is what leads some people to shortwave radio in the first
place. *As Dick Nixon told Raoul Duke

-*"**** the doomed."

OK Dave -Then Doomed You Be ! ;-} ~ RHF

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

If the time clocks where you work, if one is fast and one is slow,,,, do
what Curley (The Three Stooges) did.Wear three wris****ches on your
arm.Way it works is, one watch is fast, one watch is slow, the third
watch doesn't work at all.So, divide the difference between the three
watches and you have the correct time.
cuhulin

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

WWV at 10.000000 MHz has been my station since 1957 and even though the
NBS has changed it's name to NIST, WWV remains untouched. Propagation
delay is on the order of 1000/183,000 miles per second so that leaves
about 5 milliseconds of error here in the sates.
What's the big deal?

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 15, 7:25*am, wrote:
If the time clocks where you work, if one is fast and one is slow,,,, do
what Curley (The Three Stooges) did.Wear three wris****ches on your
arm.Way it works is, one watch is fast, one watch is slow, the third
watch doesn't work at all.So, divide the difference between the three
watches and you have the correct time.
cuhulin

Punch 'In' on the Slow Time-Clock a Minute Late

Punch 'Out' on the Fast Time-Clock a Minute Early

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

In article ,
Brenda Ann wrote:

You know what? It's strange, in a way, but my personal experience is that
when clocks went from analog to digital, they stopped keeping good time. The
old synchronous motors had more than enough flywheel effect that if the line
frequency DID happen to shift for a moment or two, the clock didn't change
speed with it. Now that everything is running off of a crystal (32.* KHz?)
that is mass produced by the billions and no two are alike, nothing keeps
decent time anymore. Were there ever AC operated digital clocks that simply
got their sync from the line?

Most of the LED clock chips with an alarm used in clock radios, from
20-30 years or so ago, used power line cycles. They had a 50/60Hz
configuration input. National Semi MM537x and Sanyo LM8500 series,
and probably some others.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 15, 4:27*pm, Bill Baka wrote:

What's the big deal?

Bill Baka
_________________
I'm not sure who this question is for, but I'll say the "big deal" is
that the general public doesn't care or feel the need for such an
accurate source of the time of day. At least half the population in
total probably think shortwave was something last used on the
Titanic! Let alone know what band WWVB/H broadcasts on.

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 16, 7:34*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. :) I never had a use for or a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range. :)

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. :) But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
...
On Sep 16, 7:34 pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. :) I never had a use for or
a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range. :)

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. :) But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

WWVB has digital information and no voice announcements. All binary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB

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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?

Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence, but,
like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the quality
control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch from the days
of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more accurate.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 16, 8:51*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message

news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...

Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?

Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence, but,
like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the quality
control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch from the days
of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more accurate.

The Bulova "Accutron" was my first 'electronic'
Wris****ch and it still had 3-Hands H:M:S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accutron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_fn3IgawY
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/obje.../1963-306.aspx

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:34 pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. :) I never had a use for or a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range. :)

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. :) But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

-CC


The schedules are significantly different. Plus WWVB has a chic
announcer, whereas WWV is a dude.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:34 pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. :) I never had a use for or a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range. :)

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. :) But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

-CC

I'm sorry, I meant WWVH. Very early in Duckburg. WWVB is what my clocks
tune into in the middle of the night.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

dave wrote:

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:34 pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. :) I never had a use for or a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range. :)

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. :) But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

-CC


The schedules are significantly different. Plus WWVB has a chic
announcer, whereas WWV is a dude.

No, it's WWVH that has the woman announcer. WWVB has no announcer.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence, but,
like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the quality
control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch from the days
of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more accurate.



Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and
it keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet)
and fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 15, 4:27 pm, Bill Baka wrote:

What's the big deal?

Bill Baka
_________________
I'm not sure who this question is for, but I'll say the "big deal" is
that the general public doesn't care or feel the need for such an
accurate source of the time of day. At least half the population in
total probably think shortwave was something last used on the
Titanic! Let alone know what band WWVB/H broadcasts on.

-CC

It was a response to someone who just had to have the time to a few
milliseconds, for whatever reason.
I didn't ask the question.

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On 9/17/09 10:38 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence,
but, like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the
quality control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch
from the days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more
accurate.



Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and
it keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet)
and fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka


In 84, I bought a quartz watch at Wal-Mart for $4. It kept
perfect time. I set it twice a year, at the change, and that was it.

My house got robbed in '87. They took it. Damn.

Today, I wear an automatic mechanical Seiko. Not quite as
accurate, but it never needs batteries, keeps excellent time, and I
can read it in the dark without my glasses.

Interesting how things come around.

On the west coast of the United States, I regularly hear WWV and WWVH on 5, 10, and 15 mHz. I occasionally pick up CHU on 3.33 and 7.85 mHz. Most of the time, I use an Eton E5 receiver with an indoor wire antenna hung along my ceiling (on the top floor of an apartment building).

What kind of antenna are you using?

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/17/09 10:38 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence,
but, like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the
quality control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch
from the days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more
accurate.



Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and
it keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet)
and fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka


In 84, I bought a quartz watch at Wal-Mart for $4. It kept perfect
time. I set it twice a year, at the change, and that was it.

My house got robbed in '87. They took it. Damn.

Today, I wear an automatic mechanical Seiko. Not quite as accurate,
but it never needs batteries, keeps excellent time, and I can read it in
the dark without my glasses.

Interesting how things come around.


Sorry to hear about your watch. The late 80's until early 90's were the
ones to buy, before this "Made in *Communist* China junk we are
saturated with.
Thank you China mart.

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 17, 4:15*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/17/09 10:38 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence,
but, like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the
quality control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch
from the days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more
accurate.

Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and
it keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet)
and fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka

* In 84, I bought a quartz watch at Wal-Mart for $4. *It kept perfect
time. I set it twice a year, at the change, and that was it.

* My house got robbed in '87. They took it. Damn.

* Today, I wear an automatic mechanical Seiko. Not quite as accurate,
but it never needs batteries, keeps excellent time, and I can read it in
the dark without my glasses.

* Interesting how things come around.

Sorry to hear about your watch. The late 80's until early 90's were the
ones to buy, before this "Made in *Communist* China junk we are
saturated with.
Thank you China mart.

Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
____________________
Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. :.(..

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
...
____________________
Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. :.(..

-CC

The middle class isn't gone.. it's just moved from the US to Korea. The
standard of living over here has increased exponentially since the mid 70's.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 17, 7:54*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

The middle class isn't gone.. it's just moved from the US to Korea. The
standard of living over here has increased exponentially since the mid 70's.
________________
Again, thanks to short-sighted decisions of Western CEOs and business
leaders, and the politicians who accepted their donations!

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 17, 4:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:

Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -
____________________
Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.

I am not blaming China but rather the American entity know as
*cheapskates* who would give our county away like they have done.
Carter and Reagan should have found some way to tax and level the field.
The Bushes never had a clue and Obama is so overwhelmed he may not get a
chance to get something in before China start yelling "Protectionism".

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. :.(..

-CC
Agreed.

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 17, 1:15*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/17/09 10:38 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence,
but, like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the
quality control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch
from the days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more
accurate.

Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and
it keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet)
and fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka

* In 84, I bought a quartz watch at Wal-Mart for $4. *It kept perfect
time. I set it twice a year, at the change, and that was it.

* My house got robbed in '87. They took it. Damn.

* Today, I wear an automatic mechanical Seiko. Not quite as accurate,
but it never needs batteries, keeps excellent time, and I can read it in
the dark without my glasses.

* Interesting how things come around.

Sorry to hear about your watch. The late 80's until early 90's were the
ones to buy, before this "Made in *Communist* China junk we are
saturated with.
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg

Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 17, 5:56*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 17, 4:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -
____________________
Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.

I am not blaming China but rather the American entity know as
*cheapskates* who would give our county away like they have done.
Carter and Reagan should have found some way to tax and level the field.
The Bushes never had a clue and Obama is so overwhelmed he may not get a
chance to get something in before China start yelling "Protectionism".

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! *It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. *:.(..

-CC

Agreed.

Bill Baka

A National Sales Tax that is Levied on both
Domestic and Foreign Goods transfers the
Tax Burden from Incomes Charged-Off on
Only Domestic Goods and Distributes it
Equally on All Goods both Foreign and
Domestic.

Eliminate the Income Tax on Individuals
making up-to $200K and Replace it with
a National Sales Tax ~20%.

Flat Income Tax of ~40% on all Individual
Incomes over $200K and No Deductions [.]

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence, but,
like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the quality
control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch from the
days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more accurate.



Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and it
keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet) and
fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka


Still using a 1905 Waltham pocket watch. Time keeping is good enough for a
retired person.


Steve R.


Steve R.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

~ RHF wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:56 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 17, 4:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -
____________________
Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.
I am not blaming China but rather the American entity know as
*cheapskates* who would give our county away like they have done.
Carter and Reagan should have found some way to tax and level the field.
The Bushes never had a clue and Obama is so overwhelmed he may not get a
chance to get something in before China start yelling "Protectionism".

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. :.(..
-CC
Agreed.

Bill Baka

A National Sales Tax that is Levied on both
Domestic and Foreign Goods transfers the
Tax Burden from Incomes Charged-Off on
Only Domestic Goods and Distributes it
Equally on All Goods both Foreign and
Domestic.

Eliminate the Income Tax on Individuals
making up-to $200K and Replace it with
a National Sales Tax ~20%.

Flat Income Tax of ~40% on all Individual
Incomes over $200K and No Deductions [.]
.
Exempt food and drugs?

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 18, 4:59*am, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:56 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 17, 4:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -
____________________
Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.
I am not blaming China but rather the American entity know as
*cheapskates* who would give our county away like they have done.
Carter and Reagan should have found some way to tax and level the field.
The Bushes never had a clue and Obama is so overwhelmed he may not get a
chance to get something in before China start yelling "Protectionism".

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! *It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. *:.(..
-CC
Agreed.

Bill Baka

A National Sales Tax that is Levied on both
Domestic and Foreign Goods transfers the
Tax Burden from Incomes Charged-Off on
Only Domestic Goods and Distributes it
Equally on All Goods both Foreign and
Domestic.

Eliminate the Income Tax on Individuals
making up-to $200K and Replace it with
a National Sales Tax ~20%.

Flat Income Tax of ~40% on all Individual
Incomes over $200K and No Deductions [.]
*.

- Exempt food and drugs?

no, No. NO ! Exemptions :
1st - You Earn Your Money {Income}
2nd - You Pay Your Taxes {Payroll Taxes}
3rd - With What's Left : You Buy Your Food
Result Today All Your Food, Water and
Air to Life is Already TAXED.

Illegal Drugs should be Double Taxes to Pay for
the Law Enforcement aspects and the Pre-Burial
{Medical} Costs of the Drug Abusers {Addicts}.

WHY a Higher Flat Income Tax for 'those' Earning
more than $200K because with a Flat National
Sales Tax System beyond the Normal Day-to-Day
Living Expenses the Rich Wealth High Income
Earners Don't Pay their Fair-Share of the Cost
of a Society.

idtars ~ RHF

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

In article ,
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:34*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. :) I never had a use for or a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range. :)

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. :) But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

It's a very narrowband phase shift and amplitude keyed carrier.
Modulation is at the 1 bit per second rate. Sounds like a wobbly
carrier with some occasional shift in signal strength.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 18, 1:19*am, "Steve R." wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message

...



Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence, but,
like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the quality
control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch from the
days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more accurate.

Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and it
keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet) and
fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka

- Still using a 1905 Waltham pocket watch.
- Time keeping is good enough for a retired person.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29558.../p0412pic1.jpg

- Steve R.
-
- Steve R.

Life is in the Blessing of Living;
and for the Man Who is about Living Life . . .

When He looks up to the Heavens and Sees
the Sun and Blue Sky : It's Day Time

When He looks up to the Heavens and Sees
the Moon and Stars : It's Night Time

Day or Night : Life is in the Blessing of Living

it's time to retire ~ RHF
http://cll.hemmings.com/story_image/51562-500-0.jpg

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Have any of y'all heard from cuzzin Burr lately? How is the auld boy
doing?
cuhulin

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

~ RHF wrote:
On Sep 17, 1:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/17/09 10:38 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.
Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence,
but, like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the
quality control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch
from the days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more
accurate.
Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and
it keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet)
and fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"
Bill Baka
In 84, I bought a quartz watch at Wal-Mart for $4. It kept perfect
time. I set it twice a year, at the change, and that was it.
My house got robbed in '87. They took it. Damn.
Today, I wear an automatic mechanical Seiko. Not quite as accurate,
but it never needs batteries, keeps excellent time, and I can read it in
the dark without my glasses.
Interesting how things come around.
Sorry to hear about your watch. The late 80's until early 90's were the
ones to buy, before this "Made in *Communist* China junk we are
saturated with.
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg

Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif
.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:56 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 17, 4:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -
____________________
Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.
I am not blaming China but rather the American entity know as
*cheapskates* who would give our county away like they have done.
Carter and Reagan should have found some way to tax and level the field.
The Bushes never had a clue and Obama is so overwhelmed he may not get a
chance to get something in before China start yelling "Protectionism".

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. :.(..
-CC
Agreed.

Bill Baka

A National Sales Tax that is Levied on both
Domestic and Foreign Goods transfers the
Tax Burden from Incomes Charged-Off on
Only Domestic Goods and Distributes it
Equally on All Goods both Foreign and
Domestic.

Eliminate the Income Tax on Individuals
making up-to $200K and Replace it with
a National Sales Tax ~20%.

Flat Income Tax of ~40% on all Individual
Incomes over $200K and No Deductions [.]
.
Exempt food and drugs?

I don't know of anyone making over $200,000 even as a couple who is not
into having kids.

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg

Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif
.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

Wally-World died a sudden death over here. There used to be about 20 stores
in Korea (11 of them in the area around Seoul). They all closed
simultaneously about 5 years ago, bought out by the local E-Mart chain.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg

Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif
.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

Wally-World died a sudden death over here. There used to be about 20 stores
in Korea (11 of them in the area around Seoul). They all closed
simultaneously about 5 years ago, bought out by the local E-Mart chain.



Let's hope something comes out of that, like the downfall of China-mart.

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Bill Baka wrote:
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

WWV at 10.000000 MHz has been my station since 1957 and even though the
NBS has changed it's name to NIST, WWV remains untouched. Propagation
delay is on the order of 1000/183,000 miles per second so that leaves
about 5 milliseconds of error here in the sates.


I find that my TV cable box display provides the easiest access to
accurate time.

Art Harris, N2AH

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Art Harris wrote:
Bill Baka wrote:
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.
Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?
WWV at 10.000000 MHz has been my station since 1957 and even though the
NBS has changed it's name to NIST, WWV remains untouched. Propagation
delay is on the order of 1000/183,000 miles per second so that leaves
about 5 milliseconds of error here in the sates.


I find that my TV cable box display provides the easiest access to
accurate time.

Art Harris, N2AH

Hah,
I have had WWV on at the same time as my cable box and found up to 30
seconds difference. Where does the extra time come from?

Bill Baka

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On 9/19/09 20:06 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg


Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif

.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

Wally-World died a sudden death over here. There used to be about 20
stores in Korea (11 of them in the area around Seoul). They all closed
simultaneously about 5 years ago, bought out by the local E-Mart chain.



Let's hope something comes out of that, like the downfall of China-mart.

Bill Baka


Careful what you wish for.