Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Acc to http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm , I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.

Since 2002, they have become harder & harder to pick up. Are they
being replaced by the internet??

My receiving equipment? Don't laugh: old-school boomboxes, which all
had SW1 & 2 bands on them covering from 2.5kHz up to 22 - 25kHz.
Don't say it's my boomboxes, because I still get plenty of BBC, VOA,
other broadcasts in every language imaginable, and enough religion
that I need never step near a church(!). The only thing missing:
those beepin' time signals.

Any clues where the signals have gone?

-ChrisCoaster

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 19, 3:08*pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:
Acc to *http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm, I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.

Since 2002, they have become harder & harder to pick up. *Are they
being replaced by the internet??

My receiving equipment? Don't laugh: old-school boomboxes, which all
had SW1 & 2 bands on them covering from 2.5kHz up to 22 - 25kHz.
Don't say it's my boomboxes, because I still get plenty of BBC, VOA,
other broadcasts in every language imaginable, and enough religion
that I need never step near a church(!). *The only thing missing:
those beepin' time signals.

Any clues where the signals have gone?

-ChrisCoaster


Sorry, but it is the boomboxes that you're using. WWV doesn't have
nearly the signal strength of those stations you mentioned. Factor in
time of day and overall conditions, you may get a signal every now and
then but certainly not on a regular basis.

I also had a big Aiwa boombox back in the 80's and while I also got
the BBC and VOA with it, that was all I got with it.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 19, 3:31*pm, wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:08*pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:





Acc to *http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm, I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.

Since 2002, they have become harder & harder to pick up. *Are they
being replaced by the internet??

My receiving equipment? Don't laugh: old-school boomboxes, which all
had SW1 & 2 bands on them covering from 2.5kHz up to 22 - 25kHz.
Don't say it's my boomboxes, because I still get plenty of BBC, VOA,
other broadcasts in every language imaginable, and enough religion
that I need never step near a church(!). *The only thing missing:
those beepin' time signals.

Any clues where the signals have gone?

-ChrisCoaster

Sorry, but it is the boomboxes that you're using. *WWV doesn't have
nearly the signal strength of those stations you mentioned. *Factor in
time of day and overall conditions, you may get a signal every now and
then but certainly not on a regular basis.

I also had a big Aiwa boombox back in the 80's and while I also got
the BBC and VOA with it, that was all I got with it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
_____________________
Well, I actually do pick up a LOT on them - just can't name every
program that I turn the dial past, so only the obvious come to mind
here. Sometimes the material I get is so bunched together I need to
use the fine-tune knob on those boxes that have it, just to pick out
all the stations ontop of each other.

That still doesn't explain the very conspicuous absence of those time
signals.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:

Acc to http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm , I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.

Since 2002, they have become harder & harder to pick up. Are they
being replaced by the internet??

Many of the time signals of years past are long gone, though the list you
cited seems to be fairly up to date.

I was very interested in time signal stations in years past and believe I have
27-28 of them QSL'd (veried, for those in Glendale).

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B
70' and 200' wires

239 countries heard and 224 QSL'd (veried for those in Glendale) using the
NASWA Country List.

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology & Design.

They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who
knows, there may be more dufi there.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 19, 3:56*pm, dxAce wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
Acc to *http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm, I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.

Since 2002, they have become harder & harder to pick up. *Are they
being replaced by the internet??

Many of the time signals of years past are long gone, though the list you
cited seems to be fairly up to date.

I was very interested in time signal stations in years past and believe I have
27-28 of them QSL'd (veried, for those in Glendale).

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B
70' and 200' wires

239 countries heard and 224 QSL'd (veried for those in Glendale) using the
NASWA Country List.

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology & Design.

They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who
knows, there may be more dufi there.
__________________

I was just curious, because when I set all my watches to within a
second of the time off the shortwave, its amusing at work and at
peoples houses to see just how all over the place the time is set!
Even WABC 770 in NY, consistently when a news caster(Charles McCord,
Bruce Anderson, or Jen Nitosso) states the time it's at least
30seconds behind the time on my watch! What radio station is more
than 10 sec off, let alone over half a minute?

Some folks I understand they set their watches 5 minutes fast, to
"keep ahead" of things, but come on.

I prefer to get these signals off shortwave than off the internet(up
to 1/10th second delay) or phone(1/20th second delay), and can't
believe of all the services the government is cutting in times of
economic crisis they cut time signals!!

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:56 pm, dxAce wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
Acc to http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm, I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.
Since 2002, they have become harder & harder to pick up. Are they
being replaced by the internet??
Many of the time signals of years past are long gone, though the list you
cited seems to be fairly up to date.

I was very interested in time signal stations in years past and believe I have
27-28 of them QSL'd (veried, for those in Glendale).

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B
70' and 200' wires

239 countries heard and 224 QSL'd (veried for those in Glendale) using the
NASWA Country List.

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology & Design.

They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who
knows, there may be more dufi there.
__________________

I was just curious, because when I set all my watches to within a
second of the time off the shortwave, its amusing at work and at
peoples houses to see just how all over the place the time is set!
Even WABC 770 in NY, consistently when a news caster(Charles McCord,
Bruce Anderson, or Jen Nitosso) states the time it's at least
30seconds behind the time on my watch! What radio station is more
than 10 sec off, let alone over half a minute?

Some folks I understand they set their watches 5 minutes fast, to
"keep ahead" of things, but come on.

I prefer to get these signals off shortwave than off the internet(up
to 1/10th second delay) or phone(1/20th second delay), and can't
believe of all the services the government is cutting in times of
economic crisis they cut time signals!!

-CC

WWV on 10 MHz is pretty reliable in the daytime. 5 MHz at night. It
might be scratchy but it's still there.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

dave wrote:

WWV on 10 MHz is pretty reliable in the daytime. 5 MHz at night. It
might be scratchy but it's still there.


Scratchy? I'm not surprised. The 60 rpm vinyl record is getting pretty
worn. The drunks at the time station starting the needle wherever they
want also does not help.

" Hey Fred..ya gots to hear this...shwell stuff. I really got the hots
for that Hawaiian wench"...as he jams it into the groove as only a drunk
can.





mike

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Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 19, 12:08*pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:
Acc to *http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm, I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.

Since 2002, they have become harder & harder to pick up. *Are they
being replaced by the internet??

My receiving equipment? Don't laugh: old-school boomboxes, which all
had SW1 & 2 bands on them covering from 2.5kHz up to 22 - 25kHz.
Don't say it's my boomboxes, because I still get plenty of BBC, VOA,
other broadcasts in every language imaginable, and enough religion
that I need never step near a church(!). *The only thing missing:
those beepin' time signals.

Any clues where the signals have gone?

-ChrisCoaster

CC,

On the East Coast of the USA you should
get the WWV Times Signals on 5, 10 and
15 MHz at 10 KW various times of the Day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWV_(radio_station)

Middle of the Night : 5 MHz [5,000 kHz]
Mid-Day : 15 MHz [15,000 kHz]
Mornings & Evening : 10 MHz [10,000 kHz]

The 2.5 and 20 MHz signals at 2.5 KW may
not be as easily heard.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Chris,

You didn't mention what equipment you were using however any of the
garden-variety Wal-Mart type
consumer short waves generally has abysmal calibration and frequently cannot
be depended upon to "hear" the whole band pursuant to its frequency display.
Also there are new shortwave bands that continuous coverage short waves
often include but they've dumped the old tried-and-true bands like 60 meters
(5 mc).

Yes, CHU is now on 7850 kc. They are the only organization that seems to
have cared enough of what their listeners preferences were. They were going
to drop their 41 meter facility altogether but conducted an e-mail survey
and listened to what the users wanted. They did have to move due to ITU
frequency reallocation nonsense.

I suspect your bigger problem has been propagation. It's been awful the last
few weeks. Be patient. Your old friends are still there beeping and will be
back when Ol' Sol settles down.

WA9VLK

P.S. Use of mc/kc is intentional although writer acknowledges its being
unfashionable. Whatever.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

SX-25 wrote:

Yes, CHU is now on 7850 kc. They are the only organization that seems to
have cared enough of what their listeners preferences were. They were
going to drop their 41 meter facility altogether but conducted an e-mail
survey and listened to what the users wanted. They did have to move due
to ITU frequency reallocation nonsense.


=============================================
CQ Magazine is reporting the following:

CHU Moving to 7850 kHz

After seventy years of broadcasting Canada's official time, radio
station CHU will move from 7335 KHz to 7850 KHz. The change goes
into effect on 01 January 2009 at 00:00 UTC.

In April 2007, the International Telecommunications Union
re-allocated the 7300-7350 KHz band from "fixed service" to
broadcasting. Since then, interference on the 7335 KHz frequency has
come from many broadcasters around the world, prompting CHU's move.

==============================================



mike

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 21, 12:06*am, SC Dxing wrote:
Chris,

Still there.... I get 2500,5000,10000, and 15000... 20000 at daytime
on a good good day
CHU on 3330 and 7850 come in the best here

WWV is not very good for determining radio conditions, for most of us,
it comes from the opposite direction (Fort collins) than most
signals....
________________
I do get 7850 CHU, that's about all. China Unicom? Strange, the
language seem to alternate between Eng and French!

I think my environment is the least conducive to solid short-wave
performance of anyone's on he Steel-frame apt building, digital
OTA converter boxes, VCRs, and other electronics. I've got to take
this box down to a park away from this electro-magnetic stew some
evening and see what it can really tune in. ;)

-CC

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 21, 7:30*pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:

I do get 7850 CHU, that's about all. China Unicom? *Strange, the
language seem to alternate between Eng and French!

Nothing strange about it. As you might have heard, English and French
are both official languages of Canada, and since CHU is a service
operated by a Canadian federal government agency, it must therefore
provide that service in both official languages.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

In article ,
SX-25 wrote:

I suspect your bigger problem has been propagation. It's been awful the last
few weeks.

You have a gift for understatement.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

In article ,
SC Dxing wrote:
Chris,

Still there.... I get 2500,5000,10000, and 15000... 20000 at daytime
on a good good day
CHU on 3330 and 7850 come in the best here

WWV is not very good for determining radio conditions, for most of us,
it comes from the opposite direction (Fort collins) than most
signals....

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Bruce Watson wrote:
In article ,
SC Dxing wrote:
Chris,

Still there.... I get 2500,5000,10000, and 15000... 20000 at daytime
on a good good day
CHU on 3330 and 7850 come in the best here

WWV is not very good for determining radio conditions, for most of us,
it comes from the opposite direction (Fort collins) than most
signals....

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.

That's how it works. WWV is aimed over your head.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 22, 1:16*pm, (Bruce Watson) wrote:

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.

It's like that here in SC with the WHRI transmitters... not real far
away but a hard catch, especially at night.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 22, 7:15*pm, SC Dxing wrote:
On Jul 22, 1:16*pm, (Bruce Watson) wrote:

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.

It's like that here in SC with the WHRI transmitters... not real far
away but a hard catch, especially at night.

Although the time is UTC I find it more useful to compare my clock
with my computer rather than listen to WWV. For most people who
doesn't have a way to reset the clock and have a computer provided you
have a fresh battery in it, your computer clock can be compared with
WWV and WWVH periodically. I use WWV to set my 24 hour clock on my
Grundig G4000A periodically and the G4000A as a reference to set all
the rest of the clocks in the House. The atomic clocks reference
frequncy is a VLF signal from the National Bureau of Standards.If my
memory serves me it is in the vicinity of the VLF band that Submarines
use for Communcations.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

"SC Dxing" wrote in message
...
On Jul 22, 1:16 pm, (Bruce Watson) wrote:

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.

It's like that here in SC with the WHRI transmitters... not real far
away but a hard catch, especially at night.

That's because of the skip zones of HF frequencies. Unlike BCB, there is
very little ground wave on most of HF, it's all skywave, and the skip zone
starts very close to the transmitter.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Brenda Ann wrote:
That's because of the skip zones of HF frequencies. Unlike BCB, there is
very little ground wave on most of HF, it's all skywave, and the skip zone
starts very close to the transmitter.

I can't hear a single numbers station attributed to the Mossad, but I am
less than 100 miles from anywhere they could be, probably less than 30.

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

SC Dxing wrote:
On Jul 22, 1:16 pm, (Bruce Watson) wrote:

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.

It's like that here in SC with the WHRI transmitters... not real far
away but a hard catch, especially at night.

I can't get KVOH, about 20 miles away. Could never hear Delano, either.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:
SC Dxing wrote:
On Jul 22, 1:16 pm, (Bruce Watson) wrote:

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.
It's like that here in SC with the WHRI transmitters... not real far
away but a hard catch, especially at night.
I can't get KVOH, about 20 miles away. Could never hear Delano, either.

Can't say I'm familiar with the reception of KVOH,
maybe when I'm in the mood for some mind rot I'll try to tune them in,
but the VOA in Delano never came in as good as Bethany.
Maybe those Sterbas were oriented away from SoCal
so as to emphasize the polar path?


KVOH is even aimed in my direction...

Main Station Record - KVOH

Permittee: La Voz De Restauracion Broadcasting, Inc.

Call Sign: KVOH File Number: IHFASG-20040413
License/Renewal: Grant Date: 01/11/05 Expire Date: 01/11/09
CP/Pending Applications:

Transmitter Location: 1000 Box Canyon Rd. on Chatsworth Peak,
approx 1.0 km South of 118 Freeway
Transmitter City: Rancho Simi, CA

Coordinates: 34 15 23 N Latitude
118 38 29 W Longitude

Tower Heights: 44 Meters OHAGL 742 Meters OHAMSL
Obstruction Markings: None Required


Conditions: Must coordinate with FAA and take immediate corrective
action to eliminate any
adverse effects on avionics or ground equipment
resulting from operation of KVOH
until a mutually agreeable solution is found. OHAG: 44
m, OHAMSL: 742 m

Target Zones: 10-13


Address: La Voz De Restauracion Broadcasting, Inc
Radio Station KVOH
4409 W. Adams Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90016


Transmitters:

Power No. of
No. Model (KW) TXs Freq.
Tol. Emission

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 RCA BTH-100B 50.00 2 0.0015%
9K00A3E

Antennas:

Gain Azimuth Beamwidth Elevation.
No. Model (dB) (Deg) (Deg) (Deg)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1 LP 14.50 75 68.00 21.00
2 LP TCI 516-3A 14.00 100 68.00 21.00

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 23, 3:59*am, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
That's because of the skip zones of HF frequencies. Unlike BCB, there is
very little ground wave on most of HF, it's all skywave, and the skip zone
starts very close to the transmitter.

- I can't hear a single numbers station attributed to the Mossad, but
I am
- less than 100 miles from anywhere they could be, probably less than
30.
-
- Geoff.
-
- --
- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel *N3OWJ/
4X1GM

GSM you may be less-than a 100 Miles from the
Transmitters - but the Mossad is said to be everywhere . . .

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 23, 5:53*am, dave wrote:
SC Dxing wrote:
On Jul 22, 1:16 pm, (Bruce Watson) wrote:

I live about 70 miles south of the transmitter and almost
never hear WWV. WWVH comes in louder and clearer.

It's like that here in SC with the WHRI transmitters... not real far
away but a hard catch, especially at night.

I can't get KVOH, about 20 miles away. *Could never hear Delano, either..

Yeah when "Radio Marti" was broadcast
from Delano, CA was a tuff listen here
in the Gold Country.

Radio Marti [VOA-BBG]
http://www.martinoticias.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Marti

* Radio Marti Shortwave Frequencies
http://www.martinoticias.com/frecuencia.aspx

Delano, CA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano,_California

VOA-BBG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 22, 12:13*pm, GregS wrote:
On Jul 21, wrote:

I do get 7850 CHU, that's about all. China Unicom? *Strange, the
language seem to alternate between Eng and French!

Nothing strange about it. As you might have heard, English and French
are both official languages of Canada, and since CHU is a service
operated by a Canadian federal government agency, it must therefore
provide that service in both official languages.
__________________________
Perhaps I should clarify: When googling "CHU" most of the results I
got concerned "CHina Unicom".

I suspected this was a Canadian txer but that perhaps like everything
else on mother Earth it was Chinese owned. ;)

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Jul 22, 12:13 pm, GregS wrote:
On Jul 21, 7:30 wrote:

I do get 7850 CHU, that's about all. China Unicom? Strange, the
language seem to alternate between Eng and French!
Nothing strange about it. As you might have heard, English and French
are both official languages of Canada, and since CHU is a service
operated by a Canadian federal government agency, it must therefore
provide that service in both official languages.
__________________________
Perhaps I should clarify: When googling "CHU" most of the results I
got concerned "CHina Unicom".

I suspected this was a Canadian txer but that perhaps like everything
else on mother Earth it was Chinese owned. ;)

-CC
That would explain the harmonics.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 25, 1:04*pm, dave wrote:


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_____________

Huh?


-blonde!

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Jul 25, 1:04*pm, dave wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Jul 22, 12:13 pm, GregS wrote:
On Jul 21, 7:30 wrote:

I do get 7850 CHU, that's about all. China Unicom? *Strange, the
language seem to alternate between Eng and French!
Nothing strange about it. As you might have heard, English and French
are both official languages of Canada, and since CHU is a service
operated by a Canadian federal government agency, it must therefore
provide that service in both official languages.
__________________________
Perhaps I should clarify: *When googling "CHU" most of the results I
got concerned "CHina Unicom".

I suspected this was a Canadian txer but that perhaps like everything
else on mother Earth it was Chinese owned. *;)

-CC

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______________________
First, a big BUMP to all of you'z.

Folks I just ran into this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication
and I wonder if it could be the reason why most of my SW bands sound
like snow - day and night. Apparently it uses frequencies that
overlap extensively with traditional SW bands. Also, I happen to live
less than 50 feet from telephone poles/lines.

Shall I go out in the middle of a state forest and see what SW I pick
up?

-CC

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:
Folks I just ran into this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication
and I wonder if it could be the reason why most of my SW bands sound
like snow - day and night. Apparently it uses frequencies that
overlap extensively with traditional SW bands. Also, I happen to live
less than 50 feet from telephone poles/lines.

Shall I go out in the middle of a state forest and see what SW I pick
up?

-CC

I don't know about the powerline communication, but there is all kind of
RF noise in the house and city. I like to take my SW100 on hikes into the
local mountains (when they are not burning) and enjoy the much quieter
background.

- Paul

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 8, 2:43*am, dxAce wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
Acc to *http://www.dxinfocentre.com/time.htm, I should be able to
pick up time signals at at least SOME of those shortwave frequencies.

ATA from India has been off now for some time and EBC from Spain has been off
for a while, but perhaps only temporarily.

There were of course many others which are now no longer on the air.

dxAce
Michigan
USA
______________
I've got that "Buzz Aldrin" edition G6 - is that a real Grundig?

Best tuner in the house, for sure!

But my real concern is that I know I can get the time signals on the
internet or phone, but aren't they delayed compared to getting them
straight off the shortwave?

-CC
"Admittedly smugly satisfied that his watch & clocks keep the best
time at home, work, and out on the town."

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

ChrisCoaster wrote:

I was just curious, because when I set all my watches to within a
second of the time off the shortwave, its amusing at work and at
peoples houses to see just how all over the place the time is set!
Even WABC 770 in NY, consistently when a news caster(Charles McCord,
Bruce Anderson, or Jen Nitosso) states the time it's at least
30seconds behind the time on my watch! *What radio station is more
than 10 sec off, let alone over half a minute?


Same here. I listen to WCBS 880 in the morning while having breakfast.
At the top of the hour, they announce, "The time is 6:00 a.m." and
there is a beep. But it is consistently slow by about 7 seconds.

Obviously, they are on a delay. But when you sound a beep, it ought to
be accurate! Maybe not a big deal but this is the flagship station of
the CBS network (50,000 watts clear channel).

I thought my watch was going bad as I had just set it to WWV!

Art Harris

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Art Harris wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

I was just curious, because when I set all my watches to within a
second of the time off the shortwave, its amusing at work and at
peoples houses to see just how all over the place the time is set!
Even WABC 770 in NY, consistently when a news caster(Charles McCord,
Bruce Anderson, or Jen Nitosso) states the time it's at least
30seconds behind the time on my watch! What radio station is more
than 10 sec off, let alone over half a minute?


Same here. I listen to WCBS 880 in the morning while having breakfast.
At the top of the hour, they announce, "The time is 6:00 a.m." and
there is a beep. But it is consistently slow by about 7 seconds.

Obviously, they are on a delay. But when you sound a beep, it ought to
be accurate! Maybe not a big deal but this is the flagship station of
the CBS network (50,000 watts clear channel).

I thought my watch was going bad as I had just set it to WWV!

Art Harris

KNX 1070 does the same thing. They use distributed time code; seems
like the master clock would have an offset.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

In article ,
Art Harris wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

I was just curious, because when I set all my watches to within a
second of the time off the shortwave, its amusing at work and at
peoples houses to see just how all over the place the time is set!
Even WABC 770 in NY, consistently when a news caster(Charles McCord,
Bruce Anderson, or Jen Nitosso) states the time it's at least
30seconds behind the time on my watch! *What radio station is more
than 10 sec off, let alone over half a minute?


Same here. I listen to WCBS 880 in the morning while having breakfast.
At the top of the hour, they announce, "The time is 6:00 a.m." and
there is a beep. But it is consistently slow by about 7 seconds.

Obviously, they are on a delay. But when you sound a beep, it ought to
be accurate! Maybe not a big deal but this is the flagship station of
the CBS network (50,000 watts clear channel).

I thought my watch was going bad as I had just set it to WWV!

Doesn't IBOC delay the analog that amount of time so that the dropouts can
be filled by falling back to the regular signal? Are they running IBOC,
(or maybe they are running through the processor, but have turned the
digital transmitter off).

KIRO in Seattle was simulcasting for a while (before they turned 710
kHz to sports talk) and the FM had that sort of delay.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

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Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?

Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock


+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

On Sep 11, 5:02*pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?

Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock

+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. *Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. Where DO people get their time?

-CC

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On Sep 11, 6:42*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
Where DO people get their time?

I get mine from NIST,
couldn't be arsed as to where anyone else gets theirs
or how far it is skewed in the process.

BTW: If ever I'm endowed with enough authoritative power,
I'll do away with 'savings time' for good.
and keep California off Arizona time like we are these days.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42
_____________________
YEAH BABY!! I hear'ya about DST - save THIS!!
The only thing it does is make sunrises so freakin' late esp in March,
Oct and Nov.

I get mine from NIST too, Bob, but then, we are not "average
people". ;)

I'd venture to guess that only 1 out of 10 homes has at least a
portable SW radio - like my G6 or one of the current Sangeans or
Sonys.
1 out of 100 probably has a good table model with external antenna run
up the roof.

Of the preceding two groups, only a fraction of those folks even know
what frequecies NIST transmits on.

1 out of 1000 is an Echo Charlie like yourself.

All the rest probably get the time off the news or when an announcer
(like Imus) says the time on AM or FM radio. If not that, then the
digital readout outside of many bank branches - none of which I've
seen closer to NIST time than 1 minute off.

Nobody at work can stand me because to them my watch is either "too
fast" or "too slow". LOLOL!

-CC

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ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:02 pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?
Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock
+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. Where DO people get their time?

-CC

A GPS receiver is dead-on accurate.

Shortwave Time Signals - Where have they gone?
 

Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:02 pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?
Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock
+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. Where DO people get their time?

-CC
A GPS receiver is dead-on accurate.

Might start that way after taking into account the red shift from the
constellation, but my Gamin has about a half second LCD refresh delay,
so that it isn't ever as accurate as the audible from Colorado.


I've only ever had one, a Magellan 300, and the time on it is always
within a half-second vs. WWV. I have a Casio Atomic I wear when I work
live shows, but they start a few seconds early for the profanity delay.
So the watch is still off, as far as the job at hand is concerned. I as
a rule do not wear a watch. I have lots of clocks.

I listen to the BBC World Service via web stream at vpr.net. They are
about 2 seconds late, which isn't bad for an internet stream. Clear
Channel's KTLK web stream is dead-on. They have a cool ID.

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On Sep 12, 12:00*am, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:02 pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?
Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock
+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. *Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. *I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. *Where DO people get their time?

-CC
A GPS receiver is dead-on accurate.

Might start that way after taking into account the red shift from the
constellation, but my Gamin has about a half second LCD refresh delay,
so that it isn't ever as accurate as the audible from Colorado.

I've only ever had one, a Magellan 300, and the time on it is always
within a half-second vs. WWV. *I have a Casio Atomic I wear when I work
live shows, but they start a few seconds early for the profanity delay.
So the watch is still off, as far as the job at hand is concerned. *I as
a rule do not wear a watch. *I have lots of clocks.

I listen to the BBC World Service via web stream at vpr.net. *They are
about 2 seconds late, which isn't bad for an internet stream. *Clear
Channel's KTLK web stream is dead-on. *They have a cool ID.- Hide quoted text -

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__________________
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

-CC

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On Sep 14, 7:12*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42
___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

-CC

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"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
...
On Sep 14, 7:12 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42
___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.


I should be noted that those of us who are SWL's or AMBCB DX'ers (a form of
nerd) are much more concerned with the "exact" time, whereas the vast
majority of people on Earth find +/- 5 minutes to be quite adequate. Some
even far less than that (folks here figure if they show up to work less than
half an hour late, they're still considered to be "on time")